tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post2280611647985049141..comments2024-03-27T01:27:21.576-08:00Comments on The Immoral Minority: A little wake up call for all of those Bernie Sanders supporters who are still clinging to the myth he could have beaten Donald Trump. Uh..nope. Gryphenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-48969287289027818512016-12-18T19:55:19.086-09:002016-12-18T19:55:19.086-09:00In his first race for President, Bill Clinton woul...In his first race for President, Bill Clinton would have lost to Bush except for Ross Perot. Name recognition does matter and people who had seen Trump on TV assumed they knew the man's character just as they thought they knew the actor Ronald Reagan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-1088021282761750352016-11-16T11:03:00.043-09:002016-11-16T11:03:00.043-09:00Yes, that is what the young people need to underst...Yes, that is what the young people need to understand, that Republicans will cheat whenever they can get away with it.<br /><br />They cheated us out of a Gore presidency and now they've given us Donald Trump. How could Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party have predicted that every email that her side ever sent would be put out for public consumption, while the Republicans were strangely and coincidentally protected from WikiLeaks? How could anyone have predicted that the FBI would violate the Hatch act and throw the election?<br /><br />How anyone can vote Republican is beyond me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-58974537889915177012016-11-16T10:11:59.933-09:002016-11-16T10:11:59.933-09:00We need a celebrity. It's all Americans unders...We need a celebrity. It's all Americans understand. Tom Hanks, Oprah, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-85854391105407151082016-11-16T08:29:47.260-09:002016-11-16T08:29:47.260-09:00What states that Hillary carried would Bernie not ...What states that Hillary carried would Bernie not have? And why wouldn't he have outperformed in Rust Belt states?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-77147265464853019592016-11-16T03:46:17.672-09:002016-11-16T03:46:17.672-09:00There's a factor that the Newsweek article neg...There's a factor that the <i>Newsweek</i> article neglects -- had Bernie won the Democratic nomination, Michael Bloomberg made it clear he intended to run as a third party candidate.<br /><br />Not only would Bernie have faced an avalanche of negative campaigning from the right, but Bloomberg would have peeled off many Democrats and independents from Bernie. It's not impossible that Sanders would have come in <i>third</i> in a Trump-Sanders-Bloomberg race.<br /><br />http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/would-bernie-have-won-um-bloomberg.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-52767086419410870672016-11-16T02:47:54.592-09:002016-11-16T02:47:54.592-09:00If Independents had been allowed to vote he might ...If Independents had been allowed to vote he might well have won. <br /><br />I think he would have weathered the attacks of being a "socialist" better than Hillary did with those fucking e-mails. <br /><br />As for Gavin Newsom, he'll be the new governor of California. <br /><br />The candidate for 2020 (and 2024 if we don't win) needs to come from the midwest. No more coastal liberal elites. We need someone from New Mexico, Colorado, Illinois or Minnesota. And we need to start promoting them now so that by the time the primaries start they have name recognition and are seen in a positive light. They need to have some accomplishments to point to.<br /><br />My personal favorite would be Al Franken but I'm not sure he'd agree to run. Maybe Tim Ryan (D - Ohio) as his running mate. Tim Ryan should take over for Pelosi so the public can get to know him. mlaiuppahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792165896828163411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-76808577465652236302016-11-16T02:35:02.348-09:002016-11-16T02:35:02.348-09:00I used a vote for Hillary to vote against Trump ev...I used a vote for Hillary to vote against Trump even though I didn't have the confidence she would win. But I was given no choice considering the alternatives. <br /><br />There are plenty of voters like me and *that* was the problem. <br /><br />I didn't want to vote for her any more than I wanted to vote for John Kerry. I thought both of them were competent and could do the job and certainly better than the alternative. But I didn't vote FOR them. <br /><br />THAT is why the Democratic Leadership needs to GO. <br /><br />I voted FOR Obama. mlaiuppahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792165896828163411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-29961931425601082712016-11-15T23:44:29.907-09:002016-11-15T23:44:29.907-09:00The most important thing to remember is that Repub...The most important thing to remember is that Republicans fight "dirty" and Democrats "play by the rules". Our politics has devolved into who can dig up the most dirt on his/her opponent instead of "debating" the issues. I still don't know what Trump stands for except for the headlines about a wall, getting rid of Obamacare, deporting illegals, bringing back manufacturing jobs, and banning Muslims. No details, just sound bites. Trump played to the Media and the Media took the bait which in turn boosted their corporate bottom line. What got on TV or Radio was sensationalism and Trump knew just how to keep his "brand" front and center. He is a guerilla fighter. Hillary isn't. He is reality TV, she is PBS.<br /><br />Also, don't forget voter suppression laws, loss of polling places, purging of voter rolls, FBI Dir Comey's unprecedented interference, Wickileaks, Russian hacking, emails emails emails, and Trump's outright lies that no one checked.Gra*ma Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15678118339441391470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-11429661016200526402016-11-15T22:01:50.017-09:002016-11-15T22:01:50.017-09:00She did not have the overwhelming support of white...She did not have the overwhelming support of white women, people of color or those that voted for Obama. <br /><br />"Turnout was down in African-American and Latino communities, which can just as easily be blamed for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s loss as is the uptick in white support for Republican Trump. And for Warren, one way to drive that turnout would have been to give minority voters, as well as whites, something to believe in.<br /><br />In Wisconsin, Trump’s current margin of victory is just over 27,250 votes. In Milwaukee County alone, Clinton won 288,986 votes (so far) ― down from Barack Obama’s 328,090 in 2012. That’s a difference of 39,104 votes in that one county. Those voters didn’t go to Trump, who received over 32,000 fewer votes in the county than Republican candidate Mitt Romney did in 2012 ― they just didn’t turn out. If Clinton had gotten those votes that Obama received, she would have won the state.<br /><br />Wayne County, Michigan, has a similar story: Obama won 77,806 votes more than Clinton’s current tally of 517,447. Trump outperformed Romney’s totals in the county but only by 14,738 votes ― so the missing Obama voters still could have shifted the race. Trump leads by only 11,423 votes statewide."<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-obamacare-trump-democrats_us_582a4402e4b0c4b63b0e3988<br /><br />"WHITE WOMEN ARE VOTING REPUBLICAN CONSISTENTLY - Jane Junn: “In the wake of Donald Trump’s election as President of the United States, one piece of data from voter exit polls has been particularly surprising for Clinton supporters: 53% of white women voted for Trump compared with 43% for Hillary Clinton…. Defined as the difference between the proportion of women (55%) and men (45%) supporting the Democratic candidate, the gender gap was 10 percentage points in 2012, demonstrating yet again that American women supported the Democratic Party candidate. All the same, and as Cassidy noted in 2012, exit poll data revealed that 56% of white women voted for Romney compared with only 42% for Obama, a +14 percentage point margin for the Republican Party candidate among white females…. [W]hite women also supported the Republican Party nominee in 2008 by a margin of +7 percentage points, when 53% of white women voted for McCain and 46% supported Obama…. In how many presidential elections between 1952 and 2012 have white women supported Democrats more than Republicans? The answer is two. We can now extend the time series to 2016, and the number of times white women voted more for Democratic candidates over Republicans remains two.”"<br /><br />http://politicsofcolor.com/white-women-vote-republican/<br /><br />She got 55% of the youth vote. Obama had 60%. Trump 37%. Some of them voted for a third party. <br /><br />She was perceived as being with Wall St. The opposite of what people wanted. <br />mlaiuppahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792165896828163411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-82210214024304954102016-11-15T21:26:43.055-09:002016-11-15T21:26:43.055-09:00@6:49, I voted Hillary (not for her, per say,but a...@6:49, I voted Hillary (not for her, per say,but against trump). <br />The nag comment was merely an old song reference, inferring that Clinton was the wrong horse to run, to win the race. Do da, do da.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-51523978086746182182016-11-15T19:33:58.435-09:002016-11-15T19:33:58.435-09:00Grasping at straws.Grasping at straws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-35362253602096077342016-11-15T18:57:41.302-09:002016-11-15T18:57:41.302-09:00Holy crap you are stupid. Enjoy your new president...Holy crap you are stupid. Enjoy your new president. I hope you get everything you deserve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-46955219426332976962016-11-15T18:55:54.990-09:002016-11-15T18:55:54.990-09:00StupidStupidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-47580263332956077612016-11-15T18:54:51.308-09:002016-11-15T18:54:51.308-09:00There is no getting over the fact, that people put...There is no getting over the fact, that people put their own pet issues above the fact that a horrible racist and sexist could become the next president. NOTHING excuses that for economic gain. Just as NOTHING excuses torture for military gain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-749668909440661602016-11-15T18:49:50.398-09:002016-11-15T18:49:50.398-09:00Frankly, I have other options, unless the Trump th...Frankly, I have other options, unless the Trump the man baby blows up the world. I refuse to unite with stupid petulant children who voted for him or didn't vote for (to use your disgustingly sexist term) "the bobtail nag". Now you want the adults to help you clean up the mess? You created this mess, you live with it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-83848440728574885102016-11-15T17:45:24.227-09:002016-11-15T17:45:24.227-09:00My 80 year old conservative christian mother voted...My 80 year old conservative christian mother voted for Hillary, as did my atheist pro-business sister and my catholic hispanic sister-in-law, as did I and my Bernie supporting college student daughter. If Bernie had run, it would have become capitalist vs. socialist, and the Dems would have lost three out of five of those votes.<br /><br />In my opinion, we are going to have a hard time winning in 4 years if the Millennials pick another Socialist. It is too soon.............I think you need to realize that the Silent Generation and the Baby Boomers will not go for that. Wait a few more decades for us to die out and maybe you'll do it, but until then, there are still over a hundred million of us, and we vote at twice the rate (70%) of the Millennials. Throw in the Gen X'ers (60-some million of them) who are somewhat of a mystery to me, and you quickly realize that if Millennials are serious about winning next time, they will have to compromise a bit on a candidate. Yes, there are a lot of them, approx. 75 million, but they do not vote in high enough numbers. We need to find a candidate who is widely acceptable (not Bernie, not Hillary, and maybe not even Warren) and we need to get out the youth vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-50084595969634831222016-11-15T17:18:44.200-09:002016-11-15T17:18:44.200-09:00People love an underdog.People love an underdog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-81181909671973605382016-11-15T17:04:00.572-09:002016-11-15T17:04:00.572-09:00lol.
lol.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-64153711812415913642016-11-15T16:57:09.780-09:002016-11-15T16:57:09.780-09:00Gavin Newsome 2020! or 2024.Gavin Newsome 2020! or 2024.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-64848899880869197062016-11-15T15:40:59.856-09:002016-11-15T15:40:59.856-09:00This!
In 2016 with an eight year head start in Io...This!<br /><br />In 2016 with an eight year head start in Iowa (after losing in 2008) Hillary managed to beat beat Bernie 49.9% to 49.6 percent. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-14052290427891677542016-11-15T15:37:42.077-09:002016-11-15T15:37:42.077-09:00He never said you were petty and vindictive, he sa...He never said you were petty and vindictive, he said your behavior towards Bernie made you look that way.<br />He's right.<br />Bernie and Elizabeth seem to be the new leaders of the Dem party, so put on your big boy pants and deal with it.<br />The old Dem party is dead, Hillary and Trump fucking murdered it.<br />Bernie is the one putting himself out there and rallying his troops (and some new ones) to elicit some change so we don't end up with 4 years of that shitbag Trump instead of 8.<br />Your hubris is as bad as Hillarys, which lost her the election, and quite possibly destroyed the country in the process.<br />Your track record for being "in the know" about what goes on in the political world is laughable, maybe you need to reevaluate what you think you know. Because at this point you just look like you're full of shit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-8658715755723764062016-11-15T15:32:33.107-09:002016-11-15T15:32:33.107-09:00^!^!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-81851944312767120742016-11-15T15:28:39.736-09:002016-11-15T15:28:39.736-09:00"But even those that voted for her did so eve..."But even those that voted for her did so even though they don't like her."<br />------------------<br />I voted FOR her, and I liked her just fine.<br /><br />I don't need to be inspired or excited to vote for a candidate. I vote for whoever I think is the best and most qualified person to get the job done.<br /><br />I have zero respect for anyone who sat out the election because their inspiring or exciting candidate was not in the race. I started out open to both Hillary and Bernie, and I grew slowly to believe that Bernie was not going to be the best person for the job.<br /><br />That said, if he had been the candidate, I would have made damn sure I showed up to vote for him on election day and I would have been hopeful that he would turn out to be a great president.Neferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983053827261292393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-36147389745633734342016-11-15T15:26:40.174-09:002016-11-15T15:26:40.174-09:00Sarah doesn't read the lamestream media.
Sara...Sarah doesn't read the lamestream media.<br /><br />Sarah probably doesn't read much of anything actually.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-11409956034273299192016-11-15T15:22:04.620-09:002016-11-15T15:22:04.620-09:00You are a fucking moron if you think for once seco...You are a fucking moron if you think for once second that the country would be worse off under Clinton than Trump. As far as I am concerned you and every other spoiled damn sociopath who voted for Trump is personally to blame for every death when the republicans take away the ACA, Medicare, and Medicaid. Fuck you, you lying stupid sack of shit cretin.<br /><br />By the way, Clinton is not a "corrupt criminal." But you sure the fuck voted for someone who is.Neferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983053827261292393noreply@blogger.com