tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post3765481743125734723..comments2024-03-27T01:27:21.576-08:00Comments on The Immoral Minority: The Great Blogger Book Banning, Take Two.Gryphenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-46958385610191577072010-01-01T07:57:41.414-09:002010-01-01T07:57:41.414-09:00I have had valid reasons to sue for damages, and h...I have had valid reasons to sue for damages, and haven't. The reason? I know the toll law suits take on people.<br /><br />There are those who thrive on these law suits, and they rake in dollars, but they are peculiar people and don't care that the law suits do take a toll on the lives of most people. They are contentious by nature and batten on anything they perceive as their wrongs.<br /><br />Personally, I would contact the ACLU and see what they have to say about the rights of the individual in Public venues, or I might be satisfied that this stupidity is out in the open for anyone to see.<br /><br />Money damages? Probably very little. I doubt they would be worth the aggravation, but it is up to Gryphon .lillynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-88909743974700286732010-01-01T07:36:43.170-09:002010-01-01T07:36:43.170-09:00Great advice, Caligirl but you forgot a third poss...Great advice, Caligirl but you forgot a third possibility: lawyers can tell you you have a case when you don't, particularly in a matter like this.<br /><br />This is not a negligence case where Gryphen can reasonably expect a seven-figure payday because he lost a leg.<br /><br />I don't see any reason to anticipate huge compensatory damages if he prevailed so you think<br />somebody will take this case on, put out all the money that will required to get this to court banking on punitive damages awarded that will make it worth his, her or their time?<br /><br />You have a problem with somebody you sue. Your cheerleading to get Gryphen to court is responsible and SELF-serving. You want him to exact the pound of flesh you can't.<br /><br />You've been watching to much Judge Judy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-81392523876172006092009-12-31T18:19:47.216-09:002009-12-31T18:19:47.216-09:00hdtracy,
I agree, I've been in a similar situ...hdtracy,<br /><br />I agree, I've been in a similar situation. I was accused of stalking by a neighbor because I launched a successful protest to his permit request for a helipad near my house.<br /><br />After spending thousands of dollars to defend myself, the judge ruled decisively in my favor. I recovered most of my expenses in a settlement with the plaintiff, but my attorney advised me that although we had a great case for a lawsuit it would be an additional emotional and financial drain. His advice was to carefully consider if I wanted to go there, I didn't. I just put the check in the bank and called it good.Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15712155636124863362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-90967975029109290202009-12-31T17:03:29.131-09:002009-12-31T17:03:29.131-09:00I am LMAO at this anon "lawyer" telling ...I am LMAO at this anon "lawyer" telling Gryphen, not to sue, and everyone telling him to is wrong...<br />Lalalalalala! Van Flea!!! You go to a lawyer and get a Free EVAL. They tell you...Yes you have a case we will take it or no you don't have a case.<br />This is a civil rights case as well, very juicy I would think...city, rich "citizen xgino" HC book co...so smart lawyer man could man himself a pile of money!<br />And put a dent in the grifter's legal fund...and we are not even talking state or federal here...<br />So van flea STFU and I hope Gryphen sues grifter, for banning him and all the others and allowing nazi's and tea bags to be there!!!crystalwolf aka caligrlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-66668212293075310062009-12-31T14:16:37.008-09:002009-12-31T14:16:37.008-09:00For anon at 10:21: Sue Palin? On what basis? I'...For anon at 10:21: Sue Palin? On what basis? I'm no lawyer and don't play one on the internet, but it looks like the only entity that should be concerned about a lawsuit is the city of Wasilla. Even Mr. Hastings is likely to enjoy some personal immunity under public employee laws.Techgnomenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-39489427295526344552009-12-31T12:28:59.075-09:002009-12-31T12:28:59.075-09:00I tend to agree with Anon@10:21am, Donna and the &...I tend to agree with Anon@10:21am, Donna and the "retired lawyer".<br /><br />As is so often said, "For every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction." The impact to Gryphen's financial situation, personal life, and professional reputation is at risk. Is it worth it?<br /><br />I think Gryphen's efforts will be better spent here on IM - continuing to expose Palin's unscrupulous antics for what they really are. His efforts alone have proven he’s capable to get her blood pressure to rise a notch or two.hdtracynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-44213236451974388452009-12-31T11:43:54.065-09:002009-12-31T11:43:54.065-09:00Andrew Sullivan has the three banned up on his sit...Andrew Sullivan has the three banned up on his site. Perhaps someone should update it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-20995066821803677572009-12-31T11:33:46.834-09:002009-12-31T11:33:46.834-09:00Regarding possible legal actions:
Wouldn't it...Regarding possible legal actions: <br />Wouldn't it be MORE than great if there was someone in AK who despises SP so much they would take on Gryph's case pro bono?? I can't find a better reason "for the public good" than this one!<br /><br />-soapydog (can't publish from my acct from here)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-80525927817628854732009-12-31T10:54:10.101-09:002009-12-31T10:54:10.101-09:00Doesn't Todd have more important duties like c...Doesn't Todd have more important duties like carrying around Sarah's otter-skin butt bag? Shouldn't he be changing Trig's diaper? Why isn't Todd helping Piper with her spelling lessons?<br /><br />The only thing good about the Sarah-Todd marriage is that they spared two other people from having slugs as spouses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-45426297010772988732009-12-31T10:48:29.341-09:002009-12-31T10:48:29.341-09:00"And there are tons of us who are willing to ..."And there are tons of us who are willing to work to make this happen. And to work as long as it takes."<br /><br />And what magic cure do all of you have if this gets nasty and Gryphen experiences losses that your checks can't cover?<br /><br />Do you have any idea at all about how much collateral damage there can be when a person gets ticked off, justly or not, let's that anger drag them into court, when a more amicable solution might have been available, only to realize he (or she) has stumbled into a nest of vipers.<br /><br />You people remind me of the angry mob in "Life of Brian" crying for a stoning because some poor old man said "Jehovah."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-4599213020955088102009-12-31T10:41:24.509-09:002009-12-31T10:41:24.509-09:00Sauerkraut:
New York Times co. v. Sullivan does n...Sauerkraut:<br /><br />New York Times co. v. Sullivan does not make public figures "Fair game for ridicule". It puts the onus on the plaintiff if he or she is a public figure to prove malice.<br /><br />Not surprisingly, nobody has considered the PERSONAL price Gryphen would likely pay if this became a particularly nasty case. HIS life would become an open book as well as Palin's. I ALWAYS advise clients who want to settle a score with someone in court to do some serious soul searching and ask themselves with brutal honesty, if there's ANYTHING in their life they wouldn't want to me made public.<br /><br />There's a great deal of wisdom in the biblical injunction, "Let he is without sin cast the first stone."<br /><br />I have seen past affairs exposed in court, previous gambling problems, former spousal abuse, one-time drug addiction, and alcoholism that is being managed and which would have remainded buried were it not for how nasty lawsuits can become and how brutally thorough discovery could be, <br /><br /> So, the first question Gryphen might want to ask is: "Do I want my life--and perhaps my family's--put under a microscope?"<br /><br />It will be. He can count on that. <br /><br />At the end of the day, it's wise to ask yourself what the hidden cost of winning might be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-90820435720487165962009-12-31T10:21:16.993-09:002009-12-31T10:21:16.993-09:00Donna--
You touched on a point I was trying to ma...Donna--<br /><br />You touched on a point I was trying to make: Except for one or two people on this board everyone has been very quick to have Gryphen did deep to bring suit. <br /><br />I don't think they even have any idea what a fairly simple deposition would cost. Here, in New York, the meter starts at about $500--and that's only a fraction of the cost of what would be needed for discovery.<br /><br />To the person who suggested that free legal advice on the internet is worthless, I would have him or her consider this:<br /><br />Everyone seems to be salivating for Gryphen to become embroiled in what they believe to be a civil rights case. Has anyone considered how long it would take such a case to get to trial? He's not disputing a speeding ticket. Gryphen could easily be locked in a legal half-nelson two years--or more.<br /><br />My guess is, too, Gryphen would want an attorney experienced in these matters. I don't know how it is in Alaska but in New York a new lawyer with a year or two of experience bills out at about $200 an hour.<br /><br />A more experienced attorney, let' say with five years of experience would be on the clock at about $400 an hour--or more depending on the clout of the firm.<br /><br />Recently there was a case where a fifth-year associate put in about 1,400 hours for a client at<br />$300 per. <br /><br />Why don't we have one of the cheerleaders ralllying Gryphen to drag Palin into court crunch THAT number (it's more than $400,000.)<br /><br />But Maybe Gryphen gets lucky--real lucky--and he can find someone right out of law school who will bill out at $100 an hour and he's REALLY good. He or she can do the same work a more experienced attorney can in half the time--or less--and to get this to court, tried, and put in the can he only needs to put in 500 hours. Gryphen is still in for 50K.<br /><br />If he doesn't prevail, the money is gone; if he does Palin picks up the tab with what will be pocket change for her--one speaking engagement.<br /><br />What happens, though, if Palin appeals? The meter starts running again and if the initial ruling is overturned he's out the first 50K and whatever the fees are for the attorney retained for the appeal.<br /><br />Gryphen, listen to Donna and the retired lawyer. They've given you excellent advice. These other jokers don't seem to get you could be hurt by this--seriously financially dinged--in a way that would take you years from which to recover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-49997691894927076222009-12-31T09:49:24.425-09:002009-12-31T09:49:24.425-09:00I vote for "ensure" rather than "in...I vote for "ensure" rather than "insure" because "insure" makes me think of "insurance" which is a socialist word which is interchangeable with "communist". Peace to all you hippies out there. Where have all the flowers gone and everything... Have a vibrant new year all ya's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-66965477444347676192009-12-31T09:45:47.125-09:002009-12-31T09:45:47.125-09:00He was barred from a private event in PART of a pu...He was barred from a private event in PART of a public facility while another PUBLIC event was occurring at said facility. <br /><br />HC DID NOT RENT THE ENTIRE SPORTS SHRINE. <br /><br />The non rented portion was still PUBLIC PROPERTY.<br /><br />Being banned from the private portion of the hall HC rented is NOT unreasonable.<br /><br />Being ESCORTED from the entire premises by local POLICE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE OR LEGAL.sjk from the belly of the planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534445418871394872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-42091957707334084942009-12-31T09:22:46.972-09:002009-12-31T09:22:46.972-09:00As a lawyer, I'm not telling you to sue. Neit...As a lawyer, I'm not telling you to sue. Neither would I tell you not to sue. What you need to do is to talk to a qualified local lawyer about your options. Anything else is B.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-89456007793716431442009-12-31T09:08:56.315-09:002009-12-31T09:08:56.315-09:00MSNBC covered the banning this morning - I think t...MSNBC covered the banning this morning - I think they would love to do a follow-up by talking to one of the banned.ellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-72076532673240847802009-12-31T08:58:09.062-09:002009-12-31T08:58:09.062-09:00To Anon @ 5:22 - whatever G and Zaki did after the...To Anon @ 5:22 - whatever G and Zaki did after the incident is pretty much irrelevant to the harm caused by the incident. Once both men got the boot, the harm occurred. There's not much which can mitigate the violation to their 1st Amendment rights (and whatever rights they have under the AK state constitution).sauerkrauthttp://run4chocolate.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-14758675827312118602009-12-31T08:46:35.849-09:002009-12-31T08:46:35.849-09:00OT ..... wonder if Palin would issue a statement c...OT ..... wonder if Palin would issue a statement condemning this "desecrated" pic similar to how passionately she did so regarding the photoshopped Trig scandal.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/31/obama-palin-shoe-shining_n_408337.htmlhdtracynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-3400747847656940702009-12-31T08:44:56.896-09:002009-12-31T08:44:56.896-09:00Please let's clarify:
Gryphen does not have t...Please let's clarify:<br /><br />Gryphen does not have to pay anything to be the named victim in any criminal action, state or federal, any more than a bank robbery victim has to get a lawyer to sue a bank robber. The investigation and prosecution would be conducted by the government. <br /><br />As for bringing a civil suit for damages against certain private individuals and getting all of that juicy discovery.....that would be up to Gryphen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-69364874879117307242009-12-31T08:44:46.214-09:002009-12-31T08:44:46.214-09:00I have a question for Donna. Do you really think t...I have a question for Donna. Do you really think the city of Wasilla would let this go to trial? Under the circumstances I think a more likely outcome is that they reach a settlement in which they pay his legal fees and maybe a little something for his inconvenience, AND more importantly, promise to take steps to insure that Mr. Hastings and their police respect people's rights. I agree that it's a bit much for us to clamor "Sue baby, sue", but how else do you arrive at that outcome?Techgnomenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-41005513755240929292009-12-31T08:19:22.558-09:002009-12-31T08:19:22.558-09:00Well, I don't know how I missed this yesterday...Well, I don't know how I missed this yesterday, but Gryphen, I know you will take into consideration all aspects before taking legal proceedings. But it is nice to know that $arah is on the ACLU's radar! Thanks dish@4:25am.Rhonda Lanierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15380672237563993052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-13990883488460510912009-12-31T08:04:16.966-09:002009-12-31T08:04:16.966-09:00Sarah has the 'power' that people are will...Sarah has the 'power' that people are willing to GIVE her. <br /><br />As long as people don't fight this, Sarah 'does what she wants to until the courts tell her differently' ..... <br /><br />If the few people who COULD take a stand don't ... then they are giving Sarah that power.Archivisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06829798584006374181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-43021655468091172572009-12-31T07:44:50.408-09:002009-12-31T07:44:50.408-09:00Dish is right, ACLU! Sue! If you had tried to atte...Dish is right, ACLU! Sue! If you had tried to attend as just one of the crowd, that could have been a problem. Since you had media credentials, and chose to identify yourselves and check in as media, barring you and Zaki is the same thing as barring any newspaper, TV or other form of media that voiced criticism of Palin. It is a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-21676435828905168752009-12-31T06:22:13.096-09:002009-12-31T06:22:13.096-09:00The best pushback against Mrs Palin's greed, g...The best pushback against Mrs Palin's greed, graft, ignorance, negligence and malevolence is to make sure she never has office or influence again.<br /><br />And there are tons of us who are willing to work to make this happen. And to work as long as it takes.<br /><br />Whether Gryphen takes legal action or not is up to him. He knows how he can best use his resources.<br /><br />I just hope that he makes sure his banning by the Paliban is not forgotten because it is, like many of Mrs Palin's actions, both ridiculous and horrifying at the same time.<br /><br />Thank you for your work, Gryphen.Liz I.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09791876450864929735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-67357150378679185852009-12-31T05:59:57.088-09:002009-12-31T05:59:57.088-09:00Grphen, I am Canadian and I would send you money t...Grphen, I am Canadian and I would send you money to take this wench to court. Who the hell does she think she is. She should not have been permitted to ban anyone. <br /><br />I thought America was the home of the Brave and the Free.Laurie-Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16488120349110805211noreply@blogger.com