tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post8175056438532544205..comments2024-03-27T01:27:21.576-08:00Comments on The Immoral Minority: Bernie Sanders claims that his supporters can do math, admits that Hillary Clinton can beat Donald Trump, and says if he is elected Debbie Wasserman Schultz would be out of a job. Gryphenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-47533842460042241212016-05-23T17:44:31.271-08:002016-05-23T17:44:31.271-08:00Once again, things aren't black and (lily) whi...Once again, things aren't black and (lily) white. Just because Gryphen strongly supports Clinton over Sanders doesn't mean he thinks Clinton is perfect. It's not his job to present both sides to satisfy you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-31834918602271804952016-05-23T17:42:37.002-08:002016-05-23T17:42:37.002-08:00That's not an intelligent, coherent, thoughtfu...That's not an intelligent, coherent, thoughtful post. That's a cut and paste job that starts with an outrageous, ridiculous claim. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-24734870670291311152016-05-23T17:40:05.389-08:002016-05-23T17:40:05.389-08:00She was a private citizen at the time. Sanders is ...She was a private citizen at the time. Sanders is a public servant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-28545073950567126402016-05-23T12:21:08.744-08:002016-05-23T12:21:08.744-08:00@ Susan Eason, Thanks.
The term New Democrats ref...@ Susan Eason, Thanks.<br /><br />The term New Democrats refers to a movement that was started by mainly Southern Dems like the Clintons and Gore to move the party to the right, favoring big business, deregulation and other neoliberal economic and social policies that had been adopted by Reagan Republicans. This led to a massive transfer of wealth upward away from the middle and working class, and the eventual economic collapse in 2008. (Also see the Democratic Leadership Council)<br /><br />Things change when enough people get involved. It took the Labor movement that gave us laws protecting workers and doing away with child labor upwards of fifty years to enact change. Same for the abolition of slavery, the vote for women, the civil rights act--all were the fruit of many years of work by many people. <br /><br />Teddy Roosevelt formed a third party that had a great impact on the country--though he didn't win. The Dems can't continue business as usual when millions of Dem. voters have rejected their main policies. <br />We have made progress in this country on many fronts; I like to remember that. The temptation to give in to despair and hopelessness is not a viable option if we want a better future for our children and our country. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-61302791673489951812016-05-23T08:11:56.023-08:002016-05-23T08:11:56.023-08:00There wasn't any cheating and certainly not &q...There wasn't any cheating and certainly not "blatant" cheating. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-59864885709682794372016-05-23T08:11:35.562-08:002016-05-23T08:11:35.562-08:00A voice vote doesn't mean who can yell the lou...A voice vote doesn't mean who can yell the loudest. This isn't a school talent show. It's one person, one vote. There were more Clinton delegates, so they had more voices. The chair could have called for a head count, but it really wasn't necessary. Perhaps if she had done so, it would have satisfied the Sanders delegates who got so upset. But, were they going to call for a head count after every single voice vote?<br /><br />I don't know why they started at 9:40, only 40 minutes after the official convention kick off time. Probably because they didn't want to wait any longer to get started. Again, they could have waited until 10, but they didn't have to. Not doing so isn't "cheating."<br /><br />Let me ask you a question. Do you think it's fair that the Sanders delegates tried to undermine the will of the people by flipping the caucus to their side in the first place? There was some bad information sent out to delegates in Clark county that caused many of them not to show up, more on the Clinton side. But that doesn't change the fact that Clinton had more people caucusing for her in Clark county. Sanders people took advantage of that and substituted in their own delegates. They were in their rights to do so, but the reason for so many empty Clinton slots was due to something that wasn't fair and also didn't reflect the will of the voters. <br /><br />You can say "all's fair," but then don't come back and complain about how it wasn't fair that they started 40 minutes late instead of an hour late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-16433942578260674082016-05-23T07:46:51.152-08:002016-05-23T07:46:51.152-08:00Bernie is a pipe dream and a negative when it come...Bernie is a pipe dream and a negative when it comes to dems and the general election. Gryph isn't the only one here seeing critical voters with their heads buried in the sand. The dems wont support a socialist and the loss of this election could be disasterous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-49185358102116294842016-05-23T05:45:28.987-08:002016-05-23T05:45:28.987-08:00Anonymous3:16 AM,
If you still don't know why...Anonymous3:16 AM,<br /><br />If you still don't know why he prefers Clinton, you haven't read his posts. He has laid his reasons many times, whether you agree with them or not. So go and read them and stop with this tired question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-79657689213063992912016-05-23T04:48:00.543-08:002016-05-23T04:48:00.543-08:00I am struck by how the intelligent, coherent and t...I am struck by how the intelligent, coherent and thoughtful posters who dare point out positives about the Sanders campaign are so outnumbered by the adolescent parroting name calling ones.The silly so-called Bernie Bros have nothing on them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-92158909290684366572016-05-23T04:43:22.385-08:002016-05-23T04:43:22.385-08:00@11:33
And at 250k a pop for speeches politics ain...@11:33<br />And at 250k a pop for speeches politics ain't a paycheck for Hillary?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-67214849735534670312016-05-23T04:36:28.348-08:002016-05-23T04:36:28.348-08:00I have almost totally stopped coming to IM because...I have almost totally stopped coming to IM because its very talented father has turned it into a Hillary lovefest. You, anonymous, have summed up the reality that exists brilliantly without being vicious, dismissive or in denial about the reality of what's going on. Of COURSE there's a movement. And if COURSE people are tired of politics as usual. C IS politics as usual. I have read much about the " Nero_ liberal takeover of the Democratic party that began writing the Clintons. I look forward to reading the book you suggest. What concerns me is that if DWS and HER DNC ignore Sanders and his followers (me) , the energy generated by them will dissipate into helplessness. But then I'm comforted by the understanding that revolutions never die, they just change energy levels.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08596993313792901789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-61480312114166862072016-05-23T03:17:37.197-08:002016-05-23T03:17:37.197-08:00Agreed. Leaving it blank is how Trump could win Agreed. Leaving it blank is how Trump could win Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-17149580554956298382016-05-23T03:16:04.181-08:002016-05-23T03:16:04.181-08:00I knowBernie is doing that and I think can all agr...I knowBernie is doing that and I think can all agree that's a good thing. Why are you so against him Gryphen? I'm curious. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-53748982550281171292016-05-23T02:53:08.120-08:002016-05-23T02:53:08.120-08:007:16, Very little room for any ‘rigging’ here. Pl...7:16, Very little room for any ‘rigging’ here. Please read Rule 9, pages 9 and 10:<br /><br />https://www.scribd.com/doc/237924369/2016-Democratic-Delegate-Selection-Rules<br /><br />Of the 715 Superdelegates, 261 are governors or in congress, so they would automatically be Superdelegates.<br /><br />The 20 DPL are all, to my knowledge, current or ex-presidents, current or ex. vice presidents, current or ex DNC chairs, etc. you get the idea, i.e. would automatically be Superdelegates.<br /><br />Of the 434 voting member delegates from within the DNC, about 100 of them have to be the current state chairs and vice-chairs.<br /><br />715-261-20-100 = 333<br /><br />Now, the remaining 333 have to come from all of the states that have any ‘slots’ left open after the above is taken into consideration (CA gets more Supers than Alaska, based on population). And there is a formula that needs to be followed - Page 10 of first link above “1. Persons shall be considered for pledged party leader and elected official delegates and alternates according to the following priority: big city mayors and state-wide elected officials to be given equal consideration; state legislative leaders, state legislators, and other state, county and local elected officials and party leaders”.<br /><br />The Supers are made up of Democratic party members, many of them long-time party members. Sanders has spent his life in politics until last year being an Independent. To suggest Hillary’s large early lead among the Supers must be a result of them being ‘paid off’ is ludicrous. Please show us some evidence of their vote being ‘bought’.MarvinMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15570994210031804975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-22393091405538310122016-05-22T23:46:36.189-08:002016-05-22T23:46:36.189-08:00http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/20/1529121/-Tel...http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/20/1529121/-Telling-people-to-donate-to-Bernie-at-this-point-is-in-my-humble-opinion-a-borderline-swindleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-29545276463445110922016-05-22T23:33:45.685-08:002016-05-22T23:33:45.685-08:00Hillary will protect President Obama's legacy ...Hillary will protect President Obama's legacy and continue fighting for all Americans... she and PO have devoted their lives as public servants. (For Bernie, politics is a paycheck.)<br /><br />http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-50785810552814063832016-05-22T23:28:48.280-08:002016-05-22T23:28:48.280-08:00I hate Bernie and his little Devine, too.I hate Bernie and his little Devine, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-50072818885142171942016-05-22T23:27:40.817-08:002016-05-22T23:27:40.817-08:00BS - no movement is going on. The sanders peeps ar...BS - no movement is going on. The sanders peeps are so dumb they can't even register to vote! Look at the lawsuit they just filed against the state of CA! What idiots!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-51782833903385166622016-05-22T23:26:23.236-08:002016-05-22T23:26:23.236-08:00At this point, it's an IQ test. Either you und...At this point, it's an IQ test. Either you understand what's at stake or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-54459698002617683362016-05-22T23:25:05.492-08:002016-05-22T23:25:05.492-08:00Love Hicklenhooper! Love Hicklenhooper! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-20430563855229311962016-05-22T23:24:28.891-08:002016-05-22T23:24:28.891-08:00Why are there no police reports that confirm this ...Why are there no police reports that confirm this supposed shooting? There's no evidence it really happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-42470353086863219712016-05-22T23:23:22.632-08:002016-05-22T23:23:22.632-08:00Bernie is a grifter. Only idiots can't see it....Bernie is a grifter. Only idiots can't see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-23702506167415182852016-05-22T23:22:45.705-08:002016-05-22T23:22:45.705-08:00LOL - that's an April Fool's post by Margo...LOL - that's an April Fool's post by Margot Kidder! How dumb are you to not know that? LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-57532303886809939422016-05-22T23:19:14.666-08:002016-05-22T23:19:14.666-08:00At this point, anyone who thinks HRC did not earn ...At this point, anyone who thinks HRC did not earn her win is nuttier than a fruitcake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-22861179888464895882016-05-22T23:17:39.352-08:002016-05-22T23:17:39.352-08:00Here we go with the redundant "bought and pai...Here we go with the redundant "bought and paid for."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com