tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post9192897159775349411..comments2024-03-27T01:27:21.576-08:00Comments on The Immoral Minority: Oregon couple who chose faith healing over medicine and allowed their infant son to die are on their way to prison. Gryphenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02356503547155430235noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-38003674873993965732015-10-18T08:42:56.659-08:002015-10-18T08:42:56.659-08:00Assuming God called the baby "home," wha...Assuming God called the baby "home," what will the baby be doing in heaven? Will there be day care there? Will the baby actually age in heaven? Eternity seems like an awfully long time just to be hanging out with God. TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02279964051995739012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-79791691447137285332015-10-18T01:22:56.115-08:002015-10-18T01:22:56.115-08:00You've written an excellent thoughtful post, a...You've written an excellent thoughtful post, and I agree with you, the hospital policy should not allow heroic measures without your consent for all the reasons you cite.<br />But I need to argue one point. This woman didn't give birth on her own. Not only did she belong to a religious cult, she had an incompetent midwife. I wish the news had elaborated more on the midwive's role.<br />The perinatal death rate among lay midwives is double that of advanced practice nurse-midwives. There are birthing choices available, outside of hospitals, that do not constitute medical neglect.<br />Its important to keep in mind that hospital births became the norm in the fifties because of the lives saved.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-809620119187171702015-10-18T01:07:04.072-08:002015-10-18T01:07:04.072-08:00This cult "Followers of Christ Church," ...This cult "Followers of Christ Church," is way more screwed up than your average fundamentalist. <br />There are 16 year olds with infections who could easily have been treated with antibiotics instead of dying from the pneumonia they eventually got.<br />This cult may indeed be forced birthers, but their belief in medical neglect goes beyond abortion.<br />I wish the articles had named the midwife.<br />This is why "lay" midwives should not be allowed to practice. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-44551591576222918112015-10-17T22:50:56.976-08:002015-10-17T22:50:56.976-08:00I agree.
A premie that small is going to have a...I agree. <br /><br />A premie that small is going to have all sorts of medical complications. Even a full-term baby can have a hole in the heart or disconnected intestines or other internal problems. <br /><br />Would that church handmaid "midwife" know about jaundice and the other things that hospitals routinely look for? Would she know if the mother was expressing enough milk? <br /><br />The ignorance and heartlessness shown here... in NINE hours they couldn't see that the child was dying... are not temporary conditions. NO child should have to be born into such a "family." There are indeed worse things than death, and religious abuse is usually accompanied by other abuse.<br /><br />Jail is too good for such people. Sterilization for both ought to be mandatory when parents kill their children.hauksdottirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-64534507577892269522015-10-17T18:02:47.653-08:002015-10-17T18:02:47.653-08:00I know and I don't care about them or their de...I know and I don't care about them or their dead baby. That dead baby is just one less fundy freak to try to spread hate and lies to the rest of us. One less fundy is a good thing if you ask me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-30810580319254332222015-10-17T17:55:26.463-08:002015-10-17T17:55:26.463-08:00And a baby is dead.And a baby is dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-13860340143604355452015-10-17T16:04:55.639-08:002015-10-17T16:04:55.639-08:00I can't abide this level of stupidity, That f...I can't abide this level of stupidity, That fetus at least had half a chance in a hospital setting, and even if it didn't, what good did praying do any of them? I may come across as a heartless bitch, but no less than those blockading and holding pro life signs at clinics. It's a two way street, put the murderers behind bars and throw away the key, but by all means forgive them first or they'll claim religious persecution.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-40251075430464591322015-10-17T15:58:07.132-08:002015-10-17T15:58:07.132-08:00But you did the right thing, all the right things....But you did the right thing, all the right things. They did nothing but pray.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-86733643952929282922015-10-17T14:32:30.090-08:002015-10-17T14:32:30.090-08:00I have a serious problem with these people going t...I have a serious problem with these people going to prison. I went into premature labor at 25 weeks and spent a night in the labor and delivery room. My contractions were five minutes apart, but somehow they were able to stop them and I went on to give birth to a healthy baby girl at 38 weeks. But during the time that her premature birth seemed imminent, nobody ever asked me if I wanted the hospital to go to extreme measures to save my baby, who if born at 25 weeks had a very high chance of having all kinds of physical disabilities, if she had actually survived. When I asked, I found out that since the pregnancy was past 22 weeks, the hospital automatically would have gone to heroic measures to save her, that I would have had no say in the matter. That if you give birth to a 22 week or more fetus, that you can be forced to spend millions of dollars to bring a child into the world who suffers from deafness, blindness, cerebral palsy, brain damage, and psychological problems, to name a few. For my next pregnancy, I started having contractions at 18 weeks, and I did everything that I could to remain pregnant, even having surgery and spending six months on complete bedrest. But if I had gone into full on labor before 28 weeks, I wonder if I would have even gone to the hospital to have the baby, knowing that it may have been dooming him to a life of disability? <br /><br />Do I agree with what these people did? No, because a fetus born at 30-32 weeks has a pretty good chance at living a normal life, with the correct medical interventions. And I'm an atheist, so I think that their reasoning is way off. But if these people can be put in prison because they made the choice not to save a 30 or 32 week fetus, then that opens us all up, especially women, to being charged with murder every time we have a miscarriage, or make the decision that a premature infant would be better off peacefully passing away than putting them and their caregivers through a lifetime of misery. And Gryphen, I disagree with you when you say that this was a child, not a fetus. Does that mean that you would not support a woman's right to abort a 30 week fetus if she found out that it had a severe birth defect, that you would ban "late term abortions" because it's a "child"? And are we all now forced to give birth in hospitals because if a home birth results in the death of a woman or child, that someone will be charged with manslaughter or murder? Humans gave birth for 100,000 years without doctors, and it's always been a risky business. Now that we have invented doctors and hospitals, we are no longer allowed to give birth on our own? I just can't agree with you on this one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-28983635571171703292015-10-17T14:19:23.760-08:002015-10-17T14:19:23.760-08:00I *think* they were convicted and allowed to remai...I *think* they were convicted and allowed to remain out on bail until the appeals were through.Deninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-66289658639634654992015-10-17T11:23:36.199-08:002015-10-17T11:23:36.199-08:00Name of this cult: Followers of Christ Church.
ht...Name of this cult: Followers of Christ Church.<br /><br />http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/Fallen-followers-Investigation-finds-10-more-dead-children-of-faith-healers-231050911.html<br /><br />http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/Faces-of-the-fallen-231052421.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-1801668496717450742015-10-17T10:18:11.107-08:002015-10-17T10:18:11.107-08:00Has anybody considered that the woman may not have...Has anybody considered that the woman may not have wanted the baby in the first place? Maybe this was her way of having an abortion in an environment where she had no choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-18485557685064889772015-10-17T10:13:34.445-08:002015-10-17T10:13:34.445-08:00They don't really care what happens before bir...They don't really care what happens before birth either, as long as they control what the woman does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-42922406717763386892015-10-17T10:12:16.864-08:002015-10-17T10:12:16.864-08:00Sorry. I disagree. These religious fundies always ...Sorry. I disagree. These religious fundies always get a free pass on everything by waving their religion around. Yet in some places women can be sent to jail for having a miscarriage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-62728499501935293332015-10-17T09:57:05.454-08:002015-10-17T09:57:05.454-08:00Is this an old story? It mentions being convicted ...Is this an old story? It mentions being convicted in '11? Or did it take this long to come up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-51264871790329845052015-10-17T09:24:39.927-08:002015-10-17T09:24:39.927-08:00*you're*you'reAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-66508034119582180512015-10-17T09:20:51.459-08:002015-10-17T09:20:51.459-08:00This is a sad story. What kind of parent would no...This is a sad story. What kind of parent would not rush their baby to the hospital? A preemie needs to be cared for in hospital. The whole idea is ridiculous. These parents are ridiculous. Instead of a sentence of prison, I think they should be forced to go to hospitals every week for a year and watch the preemies being cared for. They are so stupid. Even the dumb Duggars go to the hospital and they have NO insurance so they shaft the hospitals time and again because I read that Jim Bob Doofus does not believe in insurance!!!! I had bills I could not pay in the past because I was not allowed insurance until President Obama fixed that and I am so grateful that insurance companies cannot deny coverage anymore. With parents such as this, the poor child probably would have died early because they would not have ever sought medical care for him if he needed it. I had a Christian Scientist cousin who refused help until she became unconscious and was rushed to the hospital. Her refusal of care for years shortened her life. I knew another CS who was allowed to adopt a child from another country and the child died from lack of medical care, then the woman died later of the same thing. So easily fixed, but denied due to unreasonable beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-75670964848057476012015-10-17T09:11:23.633-08:002015-10-17T09:11:23.633-08:00My response to why pro life people are not outrage...My response to why pro life people are not outraged was that they chose to believe it was God's will. That is what the mother stated also. That does not apply to all pro life people but religious extremists would not criticize other extremists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-2120499973803177002015-10-17T08:53:41.629-08:002015-10-17T08:53:41.629-08:00The anti-choicers don't care what happens afte...The anti-choicers don't care what happens after birth as long as a woman pushes out the baby. Once the cord is cut that's it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-83933830677353897762015-10-17T08:42:25.375-08:002015-10-17T08:42:25.375-08:00It is a wonderful thing that the mother survived b...It is a wonderful thing that the mother survived but stop making up stuff. As Ted Powell7:55 AM noted, the mother was alive not dead. The human brain is a wonderful thing and there is lots we don't know about how it works. I wish people would stop calling everything a miracle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-75564498777481998212015-10-17T08:34:58.637-08:002015-10-17T08:34:58.637-08:00Let's get one thing straight. These right-to-l...Let's get one thing straight. These right-to-life'rs don't care about life - not even of the unborn. They care about control - control of the flock, control of women and control of children. They don't want any influence from anything that requires thought or science. That would giving up some control. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-86230337105734858382015-10-17T08:23:22.664-08:002015-10-17T08:23:22.664-08:00You forget that (R) anti-choice people are only in...You forget that (R) anti-choice people are only interested in "life" from conception until birth. After that you're FUCKEDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-8442360841469216152015-10-17T07:55:04.620-08:002015-10-17T07:55:04.620-08:00You won’t believe what happened …
Correct. I don&...<i>You won’t believe what happened …</i><br /><br />Correct. I don't. Once you get past the article title, it becomes clear the that the mother was in fact alive, albeit in a coma.<br /><br />If you're considering following the link to the article, be aware that the text is spread over five web pages, so you get five sets of advertisements in your face.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16528224970919880116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-78681088787409938542015-10-17T07:39:04.219-08:002015-10-17T07:39:04.219-08:00Dragonfly & AJ, You hit the nail on the head!
...Dragonfly & AJ, You hit the nail on the head!<br /><br />These 'Murican Taliban, all they want is a baby to pop out. As long as that happens, nothing else is needed. The child doesn't need shelter, food, medical care, clothes, or, an education...<br /><br />It's a cold, cruel, and deadly world where the 'Murican Taliban run the show...<br /><br />I call it abortion, after birth...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9361564.post-54077219101649400892015-10-17T07:31:45.944-08:002015-10-17T07:31:45.944-08:00This should be fodder for Cara Sneed (now known as...This should be fodder for Cara Sneed (now known as Carly Fiorina) in the next debate. But no, it won't be. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com