I found this interview between Focus on the Family's James Dobson and Carrie Prejean on the USA NEWS website:
Dobson: It sounded, Carrie, like your first reaction was to hedge, to say "Well, this is a free country" and then something took over.
Prejean: It really was a switch.
Dobson: And you did one of the most courageous things I've seen anybody your age or anybody else do. What was going on in your mind?
Prejean: I started off by saying I want to win this pageant so bad, I've worked so hard, I wanted to sound politically correct but still stay true to my values. But I just knew at that moment that God was just telling me "Carrie, how bad do you want this? Are you willing to compromise your beliefs for a one year crown of Miss USA." And I just knew right there . . .
And I said you know what and the switch went off. And I said, "A marriage should be between a man and a woman and that's how it should be. "
. . . . And I knew there was no way I was going to win Miss USA. No way.
Dobson: So you put it on the line, that's what I mean when I said you're courageous because this was the goal of your life to that point. And yet you gave it up. And yet the Lord is using you all over this country.
Prejean: And we are all faced with that at times. And just by me being here, I want to encourage other people that when you're faced with an issue which you know in your heart what to say, but you're faced with someone asking it, don't ever compromise that just for pleasing them. Your goal should be to please God, not to please man . . . .
Dobson: Why did you give the answer you did with regard to the affirmation of marriage?
Prejean: . . . I felt as though Satan was trying to tempt me in asking me this question. And then God was in my head and in my heart saying, "Do not compromise this. You need to stand up for me and you need to share with all these people . . . you need to witness to them and you need to show that you're not willing to compromise that for this title of Miss USA."
And I knew right here that it wasn't about winning. It was about being true to my convictions.
In a previous post, right after this story first broke, I stated that I supported Miss California's right to state her honest opinion about same sex marriage and that it should not impact her chances of becoming Miss America. And I still feel that way. But...come on!
Now she is saying that Satan made Perez Hilton ask the question and that God was in her head telling her how to respond? WTF?
I have no problem believing that Perez Hilton is the devil, but do you really think that GOD would talk to a vacuous little blond barbie doll like Carrie Prejean? Absolutely not! The guy has disasters to orchestrate and Jesus looking stains to put on garage doors, he does not have the time to waste talking to this little bimbo.
This was nothing more than a person who answered a ticklish question in a way that drew criticism from the public at large, NOT a ferocious battle between good and evil.
WHY do these people always have to make it about God versus their detractors. Can't they simply say they have a difference of opinion and leave it at that?
Sorry Miss Prejean but you are an imbecile and you have allowed people who have a long history of manipulating the simple minded to use you to further their bullshit agenda against an oppressed segment of our country. I wanted to give a free pass, but that moment has passed.
SHUT UP Carrie and just show us your fake t*ts!
ReplyDeletePrejean's objectionable pics may have been prompted by the same voice that inspired the "opposite marriage" speech. Did Dobson think the pics were courageous also or did he just forget to ask about them? A pretty body can do that to a guy, I think the scientific term is "bikini brain".
ReplyDeleteWhen I find a discussion has degenerated into "God is on my side" arguments, I bring up "Divine Right of Kings" and speculate on whether the guillotine was a suitable response.
God was not in her head telling her how to respond.
ReplyDeleteGod is more eloquent than that.
Palin/Prejean 2012!
ReplyDelete(Or how to end the GOP in 3 days or less)
Gryphen - you need to stick to what you do best and that is uncover what is/has happened in Wasilla - I am not a religious fanatic but I believe in God and I am willing to let others - it is a personal thing between the two - Sorry you just got deleted from one of my favorite Sarahdise websites.
ReplyDeleteMiss Prejean needs to go back to her "country" (her term for the state of California, which by the way, includes San Francisco) where they "think they believe" in "opposite" marriage. (Rolls eyes)
ReplyDeleteShe could have stated her personal beliefs and then gone on to comment in an informed way about the legality of same-sex marriage, but she clearly lacked the social and verbal skills to do so. She deserves to wear a dunce cap, not a crown.
Gryphen says: "WHY do these people always have to make it about God versus their detractors. Can't they simply say they have a difference of opinion and leave it at that?"
ReplyDeleteGryphen, when Christians speak, we often speak about God. Our lives are centered around God, and He comes up in every aspect of our lives. Since the interview you read was between a nationally-known Christian and a Christian beauty queen, you should have expected that God would enter the discussion. I am so disappointed in you, Gryph. You are usually more open-minded than this; you usually let people of differning opinions post here without making anyone feel unwelcome. But I see now that you are anti-Christian, and your comments above offend me. I feel unwelcome.
Honestly, the more she opens her mouth the dumber she sounds. Sounds a little like someone we all love to talk about. I hope that she doesn't stay around as long as Joe the Plumber.
ReplyDeleteSounds like Carrie better hit Sarah on her cell and get Pastor Muthee's contact information so he can the Satan out of her.
ReplyDeleteDial 1-800-WITCHHUNT
I can't believe someone deleted your blog from their reading list because they didn't like your opinion! To her it's ok for you to give a negatve opinion of Palin though?! Haha what a hypocrite!!
ReplyDeleteIt's your blog. I don't expect to agree with you on everything. I am sorry but that is just silly, hypocritical and bordering on cuckoo!
"I am not a religious fanatic but I believe in God and I am willing to let others..."
ReplyDelete...how nice of you to LET others do their believing...
Willing to do what, let others believe as they want or let them believe as you do? but they GOT TO Believe...
as a non-believer, tell ya what I'ma gonna do...gonna press that there PayPal Button at the top-left of this page & make a special donation in hornor of your willingness [to leave].
"G" sorry, that made me so mad I had to spend money!
If she can't think for herself then I am really glad she didn't win. Seriously, Shrub thought God spoke to him too and look where that got us!
ReplyDeleteWhy can't people realize that if there is a God, he has better things to do than speak to beauty queens who hate on gays. God doesn't care about sports either!
To the poster of 4:06: I guess you won't be reading this comment because you said you were giving up on this blog. How sad because this site isn't anti-God or even anti-Believer. It (and most of us who are posting comments) are against hypocrites such as Prejean. She comes across as more of an opportunist than a true believer. She seems to think her break comes with siding with extreme right-wing "believers," who are all too ready to condemn and exclude anyone who does not agree with their own special interpretation of the Bible. Goodness, if eternity is filled with her ilk, I won't mind falling short of it.
ReplyDeleteYou might also want to emphasize that Prejean not only lied about how many pics she took (this doesn't seem that bad - two pics, same photo shoot) but she also apparently lied about when - they were taken last year NOT oh so long ago when she was "just 17." There is apparently some other cover up with her and Micheal Phelps who knows or cares what that lie is about. Of course her breasts and her fake tan are all lies as well.
ReplyDeleteI saw so many self indulgent conservatives twist their small minds to make excuses for this shambles of an icon - "oh, she was 17 so it was before she found God!" - "It's a story of redemption from ordinary topless fleshpot at 17 to Conservative Queen professing the LORD right on stage!" and just plain "I didn't hear that she lied, so it must not be true!" etc, etc, nauseating etc...
This woman is young, and I am willing to dismiss the misled young as victims of "religious abuse". But she represents a fake, facile, bigoted and vocal minority that thinks they have a right to shove their ill-considered and twisted version of Christianity onto others through the civil code.
Anonymous 4:30 pm Please rush back to your Prejean loving hypocrite holier-than-thou gay bashing self-indulgent mislead and pathetic cronies and stay put until you learn something. You will certainly not be missed.
This woman is a GINO wannabe!
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Miss Prejean needs to go back to her "country" (her term for the state of California, which by the way, includes San Francisco) where they "think they believe" in "opposite" marriage. (Rolls eyes)'
Excuse me I'm from Cali and ashamed of this fake bimbo freak!!!
She is a GINO wannabe, and all she is suited for is playboy mag with her fake tits that the pageant PAYED for! Can you imagine if miss Alaska pageant had paid for fake tits for GINO!!! OMG! We would have a worse monster with GINO! This woman just like her a lyin' ho-bag! Rip that crown off her fake christian/family values, throw her into the dumpster!!
Roll your eye anon! I am not gay, but gay people/couple have rights, the right to be with their loved one at a hospital, there are many things straight people take for granted, that are not allowed gay people. Take you phucken hate and "rupture and rapture" yourself out of here.
Along with miss cali.
I don't usually respond to comments about my spiritual or religious beliefs but this post seems to have bothered enough people that I feel I need to address it.
ReplyDeleteI am not a religious person in the usual sense of the world. I find no solace in any of the organized religions of the world, and I have spent my life studying them. All of them.
If you simply had to put a label on me, than Taoist would be the closest to my spiritual sensibilities.
Essentially I have no real issue with anybody's personal beliefs and have many friends who prescribe to a variety of differing religious points of view.
However I am adamantly against those who take the position that their religious belief or philosophical points of view make them superior to those who are not of a like mind. This has been done throughout history to oppress those who are in the minority and it is something that I have spoken out about in the past and will continue to speak out against in the future.
In short you have every right to believe whatever you want to believe, but you have no right to punish others or discriminate against them because they do not accept your version of truth.
And saying that your point is more valid because a supreme being whispered sweet nothings in your ear and that anybody who disagrees with the words spoken to you by your God must be in league with the devil is the kind of primitive thinking that has no place in a conversation taking place in the 21st century.
In all of the articles I have read about Miss CA not winning, I have seen nothing about the young woman who DID WIN! What state is she from? Is she not deserving? What makes everyone think that the crown is not rightfully hers and that she got it only because of Miss CA's inane answer?
ReplyDeleteGryphen,
ReplyDeleteHey, I have to spill the beans!!! I'm the one that put the Who's Trig's Mom on Sarah Palin News Topix, I couldn't stand it anymore, I want the MSM to pick this up. Do you have any other suggestions. To be honest I didn't expect so much response. I used my ADN comment login!!
@Truth, as a fellow Christian, let me suggest that you find another platform to promote your own special brand of "Christianity" other than Gryphen's blog.
ReplyDeleteYou managed, either consciously or unconsciously, to disparage African-Americans and Jews on another thread, in a bizarre non-sequitur which raised issues of racism.
Perhaps you should find another progressive blog to target, as your efforts here seem to have backfired. As a Christian, I hope you will promote forgiveness and tolerance wherever you choose to tread next.
"But I see now that you are anti-Christian, and your comments above offend me. I feel unwelcome."
ReplyDeleteWow. And I'm not Christian. Welcome to my life. Now, ask me if I care whether your poor widdle feewings are hurt.
Anon @ 4:30....I, too, must shake the dust from my feet and leave. The comments here to Christians are extremely rude and hateful. There is no tolerance here for Christians.
ReplyDeleteDon't beat yourself up Gryphen. I can't abide by people of a certain belief that cannot accept others that don't share their view. Period. End of discussion and even the end of friendships at certain points in my life.
ReplyDeleteHere's my personal take on religion. I need proof, physical proof of the existence of a "higher power". So far, no organized religion has given me that.
I am however able to view the world around me and see that there is indeed a force at work that created this little speck of rock that we call earth. For nearly 5 billion years physical forces have been creating and changing this little ball we call home.
Species have lived for millions of years and become extinct. Plates of the earth move around thanks to convection mechanics in the mantle of the earth. The sun rises, the sun sets, the moon rises, the moon sets. The moon is also moving further from the earth which will affect us probably more than we can understand at this point in time. By the time it makes any difference we as humans will probably be gone. I seriously doubt that we'll enjoy a 200 million year run like the dinosaurs did. I think that we think too much and create too much and alter our environment way to much to ever have that kind of staying power.
And yes, my husband and I do argue about what the higher power might be; what was that "singularity present right before the Big Bang? What was that? Was that God? I don't know but science has taken it back to 300,000 years after the Big Bang now and I can't help but believe that the raw materials present at the moment of expansion during the Big Bang would have to be my "god".
Way to long of a post, but I just wanted to let you know that there are folks that read you and don't judge you. Even if you worshipped a "jelly bean god" I'd still respect you :-)
To the Christians:
ReplyDeleteWould you consider that Prejean may be taken the name of the lord in vain?
@9:41, I will speak as a Christian. I have found that the people the Lord "really uses" to do good do not go around pointing out that the Lord is using them. In other words, they don't walk around waving their arms around saying: "The Lord is using me! I fought Satan! See? See? Really!"
ReplyDeleteThe Christianity I know is a way of humility and modesty. Also, I did not pose nude and lie about it on a beauty pageant application. Nor did I, as a Christian woman, ask for breast implants for beauty pageant competitions. I wonder: Is the Lord using her breast implants, too?
God and Prejean - 1
ReplyDeleteSatan - 0
It's been a close game up to this point.
Ever notice how they have to announce their departure? They don't get special consideration so they're taking their toys and leaving! It's not an airport, people- if you don't want to be here, then don't stay here talking about it- just leave!
ReplyDeleteActually, rereading the article, what a jerk Dobson is. "You did one of the most courageous things I've seen anybody...do." Well, forget those firefighters heading into the WTC. Carrie Prejean answered a question! Now, that's real bravery!
ReplyDeleteWhat a pair of buffoons.
Do you think Ms. Prejean was trying to please God or man when she got her implants? Did she stop and ask herself that question? Did the sin of vanity ever come into it or is God only critical to those she disagrees with on fundamental issues?
ReplyDeleteI felt as though Satan was trying to tempt me in not wanting bigger boobs since God didnt make me perfect enough. Outer beauty is a beautiful thing therefore, such as, so I defied Satan and had 'em done and Jesus loves 'em.
ReplyDeleteMiss (not married) Prejean, are you a virgin? Are you abstinent and would Michael Phelps back you up on that?
ReplyDeleteWere your fake breasts to give you an unfair advantage? Isn't what GOD gave you enough? You bascially told God that he failed you and to win, you need fake breasts, paid for by the pageant.
It is a particularly insular and parochial point of view: once you are "Christian" and "born again," you are saved. Before then, you were nothing. Anyone else who is not also "Christian" and "born again" are condemned. They are less, they are other, they are blind and sometimes they are even evil.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, like you I studied the various world religions for decades. I spoke, sat, meditated, prayed and danced with their holy men and women. I traveled to their holy places and shared meals with them and fasted with them too. I learned that there are many paths to where it is, in our deepest heart of hearts, we long to be.
Anyone who says their way is the only way has never taken a look outside his/her own small bubble. And it's a shame because we are all far more alike than we are different, no matter what labels we use to describe ourselves.
I'm weighing in as a Christian of a main stream sect. I am completely disgusted by the hypocritical brand of Christianity espoused by the likes of Ms. Prejean. Jesus taught tolerance. He befriended the outcast and marginalized - not the "beautiful people." No, I don't think JC would have been a big fan of beauty pageants.
ReplyDeleteI am pretty sure Satan is too busy working with Dick Cheney to have any time at all to tempt litle miss cali-boob-brain.
ReplyDeleteI consider my self a believer in "something" Like Gryphen...I am searching, and have been my whole life.
ReplyDeleteI think it takes a lot of hubris to say that "god" speaks to people especially in regards to beauty pageants. If indeed he did speak, Prejean did not listen to the message. She would have been told that vanity is a sin...that she was created perfectly and did not need breast implants. He would have told her that he loves all his children...not just the one with blonde hair..fake boobs...and low intelligence.
Prejean was not asked her opinion on gay marriage, but she answered it. She was asked if she felt that other states should allow gay marriage.
If she were smart instead of silly like the "map girl" she would have heard the nuance in the question, and answered correctly. Its simple...all she had to say is that she felt it was a decision to be decided by the individual states. Her opionion on the matter is of no consequence, so I dont get why she is being lauded as a poor christian girl who gave an opionion. She is everything I raised my beautiful daughter NOT to be.
Truth...if you want to go...then go. We are not going to change how we think in order to not upset your tender little feelings. There are plenty of Christian sites out there that blindly follow your beleif system.
Well, now we all know (according to news conference just now) that being "beautiful" is the only important thing. How many times did Trump say "she's beautiful"...such garbage. Oh well, I have other IMPORTANT things to think about, as in: are Trig and Tripp drugged when on TV; is the Queen REALLY Trig's mother; how can the Queen be recalled, and on and on and on
ReplyDeleteAs a christian and an avid reader of your blog, I feel that if you're not really a christian then you would not know if God speaks to people. God speaks to people all day long, but we are so busy in our every day lives we don't take the time to listen, but let something go wrong we are screaming to God why god why is this happening to me!! If we can scream to God when bad things are happening an expect him to to answer then why can't we try to hear at other times. Not only does God speaks to us but so does satan, you know the voice in your head that tells you to do something you know is wrong and we do it anyway that is satan.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Miss California did hear that little small voice and knew it was God, because why would satan tell her to give the political correct answer. it was a choice she made, either compromise with the world or stand out from among them.
Gryphen I know it is your opinion and like I said I read your blogs everyday, but do you have to be so judgemental and not have an open mind and let people not voice their feelings.
As a Californian, I want to say that she does not represent the people of CA in a way that I am proud to see. I have a teen daughter and this young woman (Miss CA) is not the sort of role model I want her admiring. Whoever wrote her speech for the press conference should have done some editing to get grammar and tenses in line. Let's stop beauty pageants, they are so outdated.
ReplyDeleteMahatma Gandhi is one of the most respected leaders of modern history. A Hindu, Ghandi nevertheless admired Jesus and often quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, "Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"
ReplyDeleteGhandi replied,
"Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Love or question them, another reason why Christians are doubted
http://tiny.cc/titqueen
Oops, She Did It Again
Well, she's safe now, Agent Orange let her keep her crown.
ReplyDeleteher god is as fake as her tits... what and idiot
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