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Tuesday, August 04, 2009
Cartoonist Daryl Cagle is angling for his own Van Flein letter.
Maybe that fish can get Sarah's ring back for her.
Geez, it must be nice to live in a country like China, North Korea or Iran where this whole Freedom of Speech thing doesn't get in the way of everything.
$arah absolutely must divorce Todd. How else can she marry Eric Prince? And who else has the military muscle she called for in her speech; and the 100% absence of character that would enable him to live with her? cynical grammy
Before "splitsville" went viral, thanks to Meg Stapleton and ThomasVon Flein, it was said Palin was closeted with lawyers to formulate a plan to go after bloggers?
It is a fact that divorce stories about celebrities, including real politicians, are a dime a dozen and no one makes waves with them. Why does Palin want to bring negative attention to her life, as she knows a rapid response to something she found laughable would do?
Now a former governor has outed an anonymous blogger days after quitting because she didn't need the title to progress for Alaska. This whole thing is a head spinner.
I've tried to read the co-blog team of Stacy McCain and Dan Riehl. I wish they could calm down. If you want a text book example of "unhinged' try that crap hole. Juju, I do appreciate your demeanor here.
Stacy McCain wrote a book with Lynn Vincent, who is Palin's ghost writer for her religious bio. Stacy says he talked to Palin and got a sound bite quote. Stacy and Riehl are also in touch with Von Flein, who was Todd Palin's lawyer when Todd was in contempt of court. Von Flein calls it standard procedure to email a threat and instead of saying place of employment, his client wanted him to be more precise. It is incomprehensible they would in anyway bring young children into this in any way. I'm grateful they were exposed.
Stacy's claim to fame is because he is a part of the Moon-bat empire of Rev Moon, Washington Times? Where did Riehl come from? Why do they write like they are doing a parody if they want people other then moon-bats to take them serious? They seem to think 5 yr olds search the internet to read adult blogs? Where are those parents? What a stretch all that was. Not sure I get them except they are intentionally trying to help Palin to get a blogger fired. They are intentionally stirring up other moon-bats to take actions. Are they now hacking into sites? It can't be legal to cyber stalk and call up an army of any kind of batty people. It all leads back to Sarah Palin.
Just trying to understand the madness. It is no coincidence that Palin-Flein-McCain-Vincent-Riehl are attached and working together. Palin must have lied to all her supporters about being a PC twitterer when she was free (since July 26), not a word by August 4. Where is the countdown clock? I know the enablers have excuses and love the abuses from a big liar like Palin. Well, it is all about the money. Trust Levi on that one.
Gryphen, Cagle is a lower 48'er. You are local. I don't think Palin wants to leave Alaska with inner-national blogger wannabes unexposed. Roll with it man. Man up. You're famous! Woo hoo! In another month we'll all check back and see who's callin you.
Anonymous @ 2:35. Maybe the cartoonist heard that SP acquired some enhancements recently. Could be a reason she's been out of public view - recovery After all, her buddy GVS had an eye lift as part of her prep when she first got her show on Fox News.
Good for Daryl Cagle. I am proud of all the bloggers and citizen-activists that are refusing to be intimidated by the threats of ExGino and her hired minions.
Can I please have a Van Fleece letter, too? I was just visiting that great website where everyone can get their own Kenyan birth certificate. Hopefully, someone will create a similar site for do-it-yourself Van Fleece letters with fill-in-the-blank area for place of service. Please? Someone?
Gryphen, I am so depressed. I just (don't ask me why) surfed around and found some slanderous stuff from the wing nuts on "Texas for Sarah Palin" (right- two secessionist groups!) about you. I can hardly believe that there are people who buy into her so much, and buy into everything the right is doing. I am petrified of Obama not being able to get health reform done. If he can't no one can. And these ridiculous fake protests at democratic rallies of state law makers. Ugh. The country is going to hell in a hand basket. I'm having a bad night. Sorry guys.
I was clicking up the channels to get to MSNBC - stopped for two seconds at Fox and Billo was screaming about "a VICIOUS ATTACK ON SARAH PALIN." I am sorry, I could not listen. I suspect this "VICIOUS ATTACK" is Gryphen saying that sources told him the Palins are splitsville. WTF? VICIOUS ATTACK? Unless there was an accident with a REAL pitbull today, the "victim" meme goes on. Yeah, soooo Presidential, boo hoo hoo little lady ATTACKED - Our warrior soldiers need to defend her. Billo to round up peeps to attack back, as he did to Dr. Tiller - until some poor sap does his dirty work. Be careful AK bloggers - the FOX-watching loons are dangerous.
Something strange has happened - Facebook has taken down Governor Palin's page. Clicking on the link for her homepage there just returns. "page unavailable". By Tim Lindell
Hey guys - forgive me please but I have to go Off Topic here.
I assume you are all watching the tea baggers disrupt all the TownHall meetings? First of all, look at these people - look carefully and tell me if they even have health insurance and please decide rationally if you want these people speaking for you.
Because let me tell you what is going to happen - people with "gold plated" health care and access will CONTINUE to have that health care. The screamers will be about $10 richer and have gotten a free trip to Hoboken.
Going out on a huge limb here.... we have great health care and we don't even need it because we have access to hubs hospital and the entire group. In a pinch, I can see a physician the same day I need to - and frequently do not receive a bill (professional courtesy for families).
If you really truly believe the hooligans who are shouting down health care debate care about you or our family, stop and think about what they are doing to YOU. Even people with legitimate questions are not allowed to speak.
Please everyone - debate must be allowed. This is YOUR life and YOUR health care. Why are you allowing "bus people" to shriek at your representative?
This is seriously of importance and everyone needs to get out there and shut these morons down.
Sorry to go off topic - but if they are allowed to succeed, YOU will all be the losers and it is not fair. All Americans should have the same access and availability. The losers will be the people who let the screamers shut the debate down.
Gryphen - I apologize but I care passionately about this issue.
Gryphen, Basheert, I am very angry over the town hall meeting protesters - the bus people. It is now my understanding from what I am reading that these "protesters" are actually hired by lobbyist groups - no doubt from the insurance companies - to go and disrupt these meetings, so that no one is able to speak. I feel like Obama, or his spokesperson (the nice southern guy) or SOMEONE high up needs to expose these people, and call for an end to the disruption of the democratic process. Who to turn to?
I'm with Ivers, an incurable google-junkie. It's amazing what's out there if you just keep looking. Trying to read the postings of McCain and Riehl is a descent into the lower levels of politcal rhetoric, nasty language, petty name calling, I just could read more than a paragrah or two and I was done. But, I did also wonder, like Ivers, who writes this stuff?
According to a lengthy biography at Wikipedia, Robert Stacy McCain and his wife, Lou Ann live in Maryland and have 6 children. Her name often appears in her church bulletin, collecting donations for a yard sale, for example, and they print her phone number. So, the McCains are in the phone book.
Dan Riehl is much more of an inigma. If you want to read a biography of him, http://tinyurl.com/mr5sqy at Politics Online. He lives in New Jersey, and has often blogged about New Jersey politics.
The saddest story that popped up in Google about Dan Riehl is contained in an interview he gave that dates back to 2006, http://tinyurl.com/n9ylnw The topic is homophobia, and the paragraph that caught my eye was:
"Robert Leroy Riehl Born: 05 Jan 1048 Died: 21 June 2004 (Dan writes or speaks): That was an older brother of mine, John. He's dead, and yes, he was Gay. You want to know how he died? He died alone, probably of aids for all I know and probably in a San Francisco flop house living on the government's dime. I say probably because it was the last address I ever had for him from letters exchanged, not having seen the boy/man since I was about 15." The writer even mentions the fact that Riehl capitalizes the word "gay."
The sad part is that when I googled Dan's older brother, one of the first hits in Google was the listing in Ancestry.com, stating that Robert's death certificate was issued in Napa, CA, not San Francisco. There are people in my family who no longer speak to me, so this estrangement of brothers resonates with me in a sad way.
The other element of sadness is this. McCain and Riehl revealed far too much information about Gryphen. They made it personal, and following the Palin-instigate-the-mob tactics, they incited the same inflamatory comments from their readers. It's the same garbage that we see interupting Health Care Information meetings. It's the same nasty, unthinking rhetoric of the "Birthers." I feel a little guilty sinking to their level, but writing this is in the interest of trying to understand what kind of people are relentlessly attacking Gryphen.
Someone else wondered what the psychology is that makes these people so mad about a divorce-rumor. There was no outrage over suggestions that Sarah might not have give birth to Trig. There was no outrage over the ethics violations she committed (or was charged with committing) while governor. No outrage over the National Enquirer's story about Sarah's alleged affair. When I started looking into these people, I had no idea how many websites were dedicated to the spreading of pure hatred. It's scary out there! Keep up the good work, Gryphen.
basheert I am with you on Health care I have been all over trying to get people to realise that these people are paid and bused in to shout down speakers and maybe the dems should retaliate and bring in their own.Also take away congressional Health insurance and watch how they change their minds about needing an overhaul.
Thank you Gryphen...this is an amazing site...I lurk and have never commented....I have gone on Mudflats, another awesome site...I'm in NY and want to say that whatever is needed NY is there for you... I wanted to ask Basheert to go to Mudflats, and start some sort of action group to attend these town hall meeting and present another voice... Thanks again...
I've had it with the "tea baggers". They don't give a rat's patootie about taxes. If they did, where were they for the last 8 years? All they want to do is distract, distort and create chaos. The bottom line is that they don't like Obama...it's so obvious.
On a more positive note: Hooray for Bill Clinton and the release of the news women. Kallie in Texas
Ivers and Anon, I did a lot of research on McCain and Riehl. I live in the metro DC area. I'm not sure if your supposed to give your location in blogging, but I am so upset about these guys and their comments. There is some information in one of the other blogs that I've seen that give these guys a lot criticism about their prejudice against gays and lesbians. As news journalists, they probably like to keep a low profile on this topic, but their attitudes seep out.
McCain is known to be totally against gay marriage and the inference is that he feels stronger aboutgays in general. My take on some of what he says is that a man Gryphens age should be taken in marriage or something.
His comment about wife and six children left me cold. Our MD community here is generally very liberal and open, although there are some "redneck" pockets. I imagine him as this overly chauvinistic type. I could be wrong, but his tone, attitude and statements are pretty outrageous. If he outed a local here, he would have someone at his door. But I think he feels that AK is far enough away and nothing can be done.
But heck, those far right folks throw slings, arrows, sticks and stones all the time. They think the louder they holler, the bigger and better they are.
I could never imagine either one of them teaching any children in a classroom. If they ranted like that around here, the police would escort them out the door or arrest them.
Also, I found some comments about the photoshopped pictures of Trig on Wonkette. Some one tied these nutty picture to very low based gay humor.
Because Gryphen is Snarky in his humor and comments about Palin, they put him in the same bracket.
Interesting comments about Wonkette. When I saw the photos on Wonkette, I attributed them to younger college students, always bored and always gaming. Never though of the other tie in.
But this may also be a common attitude held by the conservatives who follow Frued and his mother problem fixations. This gives a reason to call gays mentally ill. Frued has been disproven on many of his theories, but many don't want to let go. If it fits their thinking they hang on to is instead of trying to change.
Sorry to get heavy, but I believe some of this thinking was on one of the sites and talked about McCain and his religious conversative beliefs.
I'm glad I don't go there. One of my old bosses/colleagues was one of the psychiatrists who got homosexuality thrown out of the DSM years ago. He was not gay, and felt this was a major coup for his group.
I spent some time reading things on Riehl and McCain's blogs... what a bunch of self-important windbags.
The Washington Times... not sure I'd crow about working for the moonies, but then again, moonies are as proud of themselves as are the scientologists. They, and only then, have all the answers we could ever need.
The town hall teabaggers/birthers are being exposed on MSNBC (Keith and Rachel). I hope the independents and the reasonable Republicans are tuning in. This whole charade is infuriating and I'm so pissed that the responsible Republicans (if there is such a thing) are not calling out this b/s. These people are staging this fake outrage just to get in the way of a very important agenda that the majority wants.
this will say I'm annonymous...I can't figure out how to get my name signed in here. Anyway.....
@10cats in MD: I had several reasons for writing that the McCains had 6 kids and lived in Maryland. #1 It is in his Wikipedia biography, and out there for anyone to read. #2 Since McCain listed personal information about Gryphen, it was my way of letting McCain know that we can find out personal information about him, too. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Love how the right calls us "moonbats". We're not the people siding with the moonies or claiming Australian birth certifcate forgaries are Kenyan BC of the POTUS of the USA.
Anon at 8:34, I am on your side. I put that info out there also, but I was and still am so upset with all of them and the personal information let out. I may not be commenting in the best way, but I'm trying. I could probably find out where he lives and get a picture of his house, but that would get me in trouble.
Some "people" (important ones) are collecting far more information then you might ever imagine about McCain and Diehl. A) they have gone too far-calling someone a pedophile and inciting hatred and violent action are NOT the same as Gryphen repeating what people have told him. B) don't forget the Homeland security report that right wing extremism is the worst threat to Americas stability.it is a top priority now. So save their comments and tweets that specifically ask people to do something hateful, make copies and send them to the the right place/people (authorities) C) these guys forget that their associatons (and income sources?) can be easily verified. They have an incentive for getting Gryphen and others to shut up. Gryphen has zero financial incentive. They say there is one but there isn't therefore there is no proof. D) Palin's connection to them can also be proven.
McCain and Diehl think they are smart but they aren't. Watch them make one mistake after another. Document and report it not to their jobs but to those who care about right wing extremism-ya know who?? Sarah is a BIG UGLY BULLY who thinks she has the power to stop people from talking about her. This is another flagrant example of how she works. It's time to stand up to her and say stop lying!! It's all about money you know and someone protecting their investment. Rupert picked the wrong investment this time.
The lover of Bernie Karnak was going to spill all the beans on Rupert but he bought her off. If he gets into a p!ss off with Palin may they both finish each other off, so to speak. She could do some good if she starts directing attention to his corruption. She made mafia schooled John McCain look like a limp noodle and she is still sinking his ship.
Gryphen, I just wanted you to know that I just saw a clip from the Bill O'Reilly show where they discuss you. They show your picture and they mention your name. I am sure you are on top of this stuff, but I just want to make sure.
ot:: i had not seen this before. If you missed it, check it out. very important to get a feel for the area http://gawker.com/5205326/bristol-palins-myspace-file the David Talbot video also talks about the evangelical Alaska of Sarah Palin.
Sarah is lying. She is not doing twitter as promised. She is a disappointment. I would not want to hear her ghost writer. Bristol would be the one to take over if Sarah wants to remain undisclosed and speechless unless paid. There is no money in tweets.
Health care is an enormous issue and an important one, but O'Reilly is busy discussing a simple blogger in Alaska because his buddies in snark, crappy, conseratism journalism want to punish the blogger for saying something about Sarah Palin.
What Crap! We already know where OReilly lives as he has been haunted outside his home before by journalists.
APOC is giving Palin until Aug. 17 to make public “information related to the dollar amount of the discounts from Arctic Cat,” as well as any gifts received in 2008 that she has not reported, said Holly Hill, the agency’s director. Hill found that the state law Palin cited in arguing for an exemption from the Arctic Cat disclosure “only protects information submitted under the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act, and does not apply in this matter.”
the Alaska Public Offices Commission has refused Palin’s request to keep secret the discounts that come from her husband’s Arctic Cat sponsorship. APOC also said Palin needs to disclose all the gifts she received last year, rejecting her interpretation that she doesn’t need to until after she gets around to actually opening the gifts.
Palin has told APOC “there are boxes of unopened mail at this point, even mail that was delivered in 2008.”
Information about Arctic Cat and Undisclosed Unopened Gifts needs to be reported to the IRS. She has to declare this stuff as income. Unlike your powerless, toothless Alaska Commission, the IRS does not like to be stalled, stiffed or lied to. Any benefits received in 2008 should have been on the tax form filed in April 2009. Let the Feds get her. (Maybe she needed to "retire" so she could get all her complaints in order). I think that the IRS offers a finders fee, up to 10%, for someone who can turn in the tax-cheat and prove it.
If you trust Gryphen, then you have to believe he has the plan to hold tight until the truth comes out and confirms his story.
RE: APOC and the IRS. That is where the power lies - because the IRS does not care WHO $P is, they just want to make certain that the Palins have paid their taxes and if not, the fines are HUGE (I can swear to that). You can't bribe them- and you can't make them go away. Unfortunately we also won't know if an investigation is taking place.
RE: The trolls Please chill. The average IQ of these individuals is a -10. Do you want to take these knuckledraggers on? Everytime you get sucked in, you get dragged down to their level. Do you realize what it sounds like???
Poster: Gryphen rules Troll: But ... Obama Poster: Go away troll Troll: But ACORN Poster: ..(intelligent comment) Troll: But Kenya, Indonesia, Obama
I mean REALLY. Let them show their ignorance and stupidity but don't buy into it.
RE: the $P trolls: The flying monkeys think $P "cares" about them. The flying monkeys are "collateral damage" in the windtunnel that is $P's career. IF she could make a nickle a body, they'd be piled up like cord wood. Let's get this straight - this is high school idol worship. Remember The Beatles (of course THEY had talent)!!! High school idol worship - immature right. But when you are 15 you actually KNOW that the Beatles do not KNOW you in reality.
RE: Newsmax - big deal. I blast them into my spam- they are NOT a news organization. They are opposing Media Matters. They are a Moonie organization - ignore what they say.
Please - friends - don't go down the RabbitHole? This will pass - and getting drawn into a screaming match is not going to help.
Hang tough Gryphen - not sure what is going on but I'm hoping the IRS will act on the unreported income if it's there. As an Alaskan, you or an alaskan reader can file an incident report with the local office in Anchorage and it WILL be confidential (that's how they operate). Remember, Al Capone finally went to jail for tax fraud.
We don't know that the IRS isn't watching her. I do believe they watch candidates or PAST candidates returns to assure the funds were reported, they AUDIT (fun fun fun), they assess taxes.
I believe also that Arctic Cat will be a biggie - at least I hope so.
The Arrogance That is Sarah may end her in Leavenworth. Perhaps she will share a cell with yet another tax evader.
Just seen on MSNBC: Tamyrn Hall and David Shuster had the Politico journalist on to whom $P gave her "brief telephone interview" last night.
Turns out Palin's staff called the reporter at 10:45 pm Eastern time, waking him up to ask if he wanted to interview Palin on the condition he would be allowed to ask just two questions.
Palin was calling from ritzy Michael's restaurant in Manhattan. Reporter said yes to the two question limit, and that's when Palin came on the line and said she was in New York talking to her publisher, and that she and Toad are busy planning the rest of their lives together.
So, $P hungry for publicity much? I'll bet she is missing that tweeting, but had to settle for two questions to Politico that said essentially nothing. The new plan must be to keep up the mystique. Poor little bots not getting the personal tweets they were hoping for...
ITA. That is a horrible and inflammatory cartoon. The artist should be shot at once.
ReplyDeleteAt the very least, the salmon MUST SUE - do you suppose FleaBag would take the case???
the boobs are too big. can't be Sarah. Maybe it's supposed to be that idiot Prejean?
ReplyDeleteGeez, it must be nice to live in a country like China, North Korea or Iran where this whole Freedom of Speech thing doesn't get in the way of everything.
ReplyDelete$arah absolutely must divorce Todd. How else can she marry Eric Prince? And who else has the military muscle she called for in her speech; and the 100% absence of character that would enable him to live with her? cynical grammy
ReplyDeleteGryphen find out more about the staffer in the Governor's office that is shopping a book.
ReplyDeleteA hurricane of crap is about to fall on Sarah's head.
Before "splitsville" went viral, thanks to Meg Stapleton and ThomasVon Flein, it was said Palin was closeted with lawyers to formulate a plan to go after bloggers?
ReplyDeleteIt is a fact that divorce stories about celebrities, including real politicians, are a dime a dozen and no one makes waves with them. Why does Palin want to bring negative attention to her life, as she knows a rapid response to something she found laughable would do?
Now a former governor has outed an anonymous blogger days after quitting because she didn't need the title to progress for Alaska. This whole thing is a head spinner.
I've tried to read the co-blog team of Stacy McCain and Dan Riehl. I wish they could calm down. If you want a text book example of "unhinged' try that crap hole. Juju, I do appreciate your demeanor here.
Stacy McCain wrote a book with Lynn Vincent, who is Palin's ghost writer for her religious bio. Stacy says he talked to Palin and got a sound bite quote. Stacy and Riehl are also in touch with Von Flein, who was Todd Palin's lawyer when Todd was in contempt of court. Von Flein calls it standard procedure to email a threat and instead of saying place of employment, his client wanted him to be more precise. It is incomprehensible they would in anyway bring young children into this in any way. I'm grateful they were exposed.
Stacy's claim to fame is because he is a part of the Moon-bat empire of Rev Moon, Washington Times? Where did Riehl come from? Why do they write like they are doing a parody if they want people other then moon-bats to take them serious? They seem to think 5 yr olds search the internet to read adult blogs? Where are those parents? What a stretch all that was. Not sure I get them except they are intentionally trying to help Palin to get a blogger fired. They are intentionally stirring up other moon-bats to take actions. Are they now hacking into sites? It can't be legal to cyber stalk and call up an army of any kind of batty people. It all leads back to Sarah Palin.
Just trying to understand the madness. It is no coincidence that Palin-Flein-McCain-Vincent-Riehl are attached and working together.
Palin must have lied to all her supporters about being a PC twitterer when she was free (since July 26), not a word by August 4. Where is the countdown clock? I know the enablers have excuses and love the abuses from a big liar like Palin. Well, it is all about the money. Trust Levi on that one.
Funny cartoon.
Gryphen, Cagle is a lower 48'er. You are local. I don't think Palin wants to leave Alaska with inner-national blogger wannabes unexposed. Roll with it man. Man up. You're famous! Woo hoo! In another month we'll all check back and see who's callin you.
ReplyDeletehmmm how long can a fish be out of water?
ReplyDeleteWhy Sarah hates Salmon?
lol wv: boated
Gryphen, South Florida sends regards.
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Anonymous @ 2:35. Maybe the cartoonist heard that SP acquired some enhancements recently. Could be a reason she's been out of public view - recovery After all, her buddy GVS had an eye lift as part of her prep when she first got her show on Fox News.
ReplyDeleteIf she was a "politician" back in the 18th or 19th century, the political cartoons were a weeee bit harsher than this funny one.
ReplyDeleteQUITBULL!
Good for Daryl Cagle. I am proud of all the bloggers and citizen-activists that are refusing to be intimidated by the threats of ExGino and her hired minions.
ReplyDeleteyup, I'm voting for the plastic surgery....at least she'd be medicated...
ReplyDeleteTITBULL! sue me!
ReplyDeleteapologies in advance....
Okay, sjk you got me with the QUITBULL! (SNORT, SNORT)
ReplyDeleteAlaskan Sisu
Gryph, I am glad to see the tide turing (or has turned).
ReplyDeleteCan I please have a Van Fleece letter, too? I was just visiting that great website where everyone can get their own Kenyan birth certificate. Hopefully, someone will create a similar site for do-it-yourself Van Fleece letters with fill-in-the-blank area for place of service. Please? Someone?
ReplyDeleteGryphen, I am so depressed. I just (don't ask me why) surfed around and found some slanderous stuff from the wing nuts on "Texas for Sarah Palin" (right- two secessionist groups!) about you. I can hardly believe that there are people who buy into her so much, and buy into everything the right is doing. I am petrified of Obama not being able to get health reform done. If he can't no one can. And these ridiculous fake protests at democratic rallies of state law makers. Ugh. The country is going to hell in a hand basket. I'm having a bad night. Sorry guys.
ReplyDeleteI was clicking up the channels to get to MSNBC - stopped for two seconds at Fox and Billo was screaming about "a VICIOUS ATTACK ON SARAH PALIN."
ReplyDeleteI am sorry, I could not listen. I suspect this "VICIOUS ATTACK" is Gryphen saying that sources told him the Palins are splitsville.
WTF? VICIOUS ATTACK? Unless there was an accident with a REAL pitbull today, the "victim" meme goes on. Yeah, soooo Presidential, boo hoo hoo little lady ATTACKED - Our warrior soldiers need to defend her. Billo to round up peeps to attack back, as he did to Dr. Tiller - until some poor sap does his dirty work. Be careful AK bloggers - the FOX-watching loons are dangerous.
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ReplyDeleteSomething strange has happened - Facebook has taken down Governor Palin's page. Clicking on the link for her homepage there just returns. "page unavailable".
By Tim Lindell
Love the cartoon!
ReplyDelete"only dead fish go with the flow" doncha know....
so go buttercup go...float away....
Hey guys - forgive me please but I have to go Off Topic here.
ReplyDeleteI assume you are all watching the tea baggers disrupt all the TownHall meetings? First of all, look at these people - look carefully and tell me if they even have health insurance and please decide rationally if you want these people speaking for you.
Because let me tell you what is going to happen - people with "gold plated" health care and access will CONTINUE to have that health care. The screamers will be about $10 richer and have gotten a free trip to Hoboken.
Going out on a huge limb here.... we have great health care and we don't even need it because we have access to hubs hospital and the entire group. In a pinch, I can see a physician the same day I need to - and frequently do not receive a bill (professional courtesy for families).
If you really truly believe the hooligans who are shouting down health care debate care about you or our family, stop and think about what they are doing to YOU. Even people with legitimate questions are not allowed to speak.
Please everyone - debate must be allowed. This is YOUR life and YOUR health care. Why are you allowing "bus people" to shriek at your representative?
This is seriously of importance and everyone needs to get out there and shut these morons down.
Sorry to go off topic - but if they are allowed to succeed, YOU will all be the losers and it is not fair. All Americans should have the same access and availability. The losers will be the people who let the screamers shut the debate down.
Gryphen - I apologize but I care passionately about this issue.
Do you think she was medicated with Propofol too?
ReplyDeleteGryphen, Basheert, I am very angry over the town hall meeting protesters - the bus people. It is now my understanding from what I am reading that these "protesters" are actually hired by lobbyist groups - no doubt from the insurance companies - to go and disrupt these meetings, so that no one is able to speak. I feel like Obama, or his spokesperson (the nice southern guy) or SOMEONE high up needs to expose these people, and call for an end to the disruption of the democratic process. Who to turn to?
ReplyDeleteI'm with Ivers, an incurable google-junkie. It's amazing what's out there if you just keep looking. Trying to read the postings of McCain and Riehl is a descent into the lower levels of politcal rhetoric, nasty language, petty name calling, I just could read more than a paragrah or two and I was done. But, I did also wonder, like Ivers, who writes this stuff?
ReplyDeleteAccording to a lengthy biography at Wikipedia, Robert Stacy McCain and his wife, Lou Ann live in Maryland and have 6 children. Her name often appears in her church bulletin, collecting donations for a yard sale, for example, and they print her phone number. So, the McCains are in the phone book.
Dan Riehl is much more of an inigma. If you want to read a biography of him, http://tinyurl.com/mr5sqy at Politics Online. He lives in New Jersey, and has often blogged about New Jersey politics.
The saddest story that popped up in Google about Dan Riehl is contained in an interview he gave that dates back to 2006, http://tinyurl.com/n9ylnw The topic is homophobia, and the paragraph that caught my eye was:
"Robert Leroy Riehl Born: 05 Jan 1048 Died: 21 June 2004 (Dan writes or speaks): That was an older brother of mine, John. He's dead, and yes, he was Gay. You want to know how he died? He died alone, probably of aids for all I know and probably in a San Francisco flop house living on the government's dime. I say probably because it was the last address I ever had for him from letters exchanged, not having seen the boy/man since I was about 15." The writer even mentions the fact that Riehl capitalizes the word "gay."
The sad part is that when I googled Dan's older brother, one of the first hits in Google was the listing in Ancestry.com, stating that Robert's death certificate was issued in Napa, CA, not San Francisco. There are people in my family who no longer speak to me, so this estrangement of brothers resonates with me in a sad way.
The other element of sadness is this. McCain and Riehl revealed far too much information about Gryphen. They made it personal, and following the Palin-instigate-the-mob tactics, they incited the same inflamatory comments from their readers. It's the same garbage that we see interupting Health Care Information meetings. It's the same nasty, unthinking rhetoric of the "Birthers." I feel a little guilty sinking to their level, but writing this is in the interest of trying to understand what kind of people are relentlessly attacking Gryphen.
Someone else wondered what the psychology is that makes these people so mad about a divorce-rumor. There was no outrage over suggestions that Sarah might not have give birth to Trig. There was no outrage over the ethics violations she committed (or was charged with committing) while governor. No outrage over the National Enquirer's story about Sarah's alleged affair.
When I started looking into these people, I had no idea how many websites were dedicated to the spreading of pure hatred. It's scary out there! Keep up the good work, Gryphen.
basheert I am with you on Health care I have been all over trying to get people to realise that these people are paid and bused in to shout down speakers and maybe the dems should retaliate and bring in their own.Also take away congressional Health insurance and watch how they change their minds about needing an overhaul.
ReplyDeleteThank you Gryphen...this is an amazing site...I lurk and have never commented....I have gone on Mudflats, another awesome site...I'm in NY and want to say that whatever is needed NY is there for you...
ReplyDeleteI wanted to ask Basheert to go to Mudflats, and start some sort of action group to attend these town hall meeting and present another voice...
Thanks again...
I've had it with the "tea baggers". They don't give a rat's patootie about taxes. If they did, where were they for the last 8 years? All they want to do is distract, distort and create chaos.
ReplyDeleteThe bottom line is that they don't like Obama...it's so obvious.
On a more positive note: Hooray for Bill Clinton and the release of the news women.
Kallie in Texas
Ah, I do love it when the moonbats whine about busing in and paying mobs.
ReplyDeleteTurns out their Barack Obama does it all the time.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/ACORNs-Muscle-for-Money-does-the-bidding-of-SEIU--50091427.html
Now, moonbats, since you argue that's wrong, you are going to condemn your Barack Obama, aren't you?
Ivers and Anon, I did a lot of research on McCain and Riehl. I live in the metro DC area. I'm not sure if your supposed to give your location in blogging, but I am so upset about these guys and their comments. There is some information in one of the other blogs that I've seen that give these guys a lot criticism about their prejudice against gays and lesbians. As news journalists, they probably like to keep a low profile on this topic, but their attitudes seep out.
ReplyDeleteMcCain is known to be totally against gay marriage and the inference is that he feels stronger aboutgays in general. My take on some of what he says is that a man Gryphens age should be taken in marriage or something.
His comment about wife and six children left me cold. Our MD community here is generally very liberal and open, although there are some "redneck" pockets. I imagine him as this overly chauvinistic type. I could be wrong, but his tone, attitude and statements are pretty outrageous. If he outed a local here, he would have someone at his door. But I think he feels that AK is far enough away and nothing can be done.
But heck, those far right folks throw slings, arrows, sticks and stones all the time. They think the louder they holler, the bigger and better they are.
I could never imagine either one of them teaching any children in a classroom. If they ranted like that around here, the police would escort them out the door or arrest them.
BTW, I found SP facebook page. It's still there.
10cats in MD
Also, I found some comments about the photoshopped pictures of Trig on Wonkette. Some one tied these nutty picture to very low based gay humor.
ReplyDeleteBecause Gryphen is Snarky in his humor and comments about Palin, they put him in the same bracket.
Interesting comments about Wonkette. When I saw the photos on Wonkette, I attributed them to younger college students, always bored and always gaming. Never though of the other tie in.
But this may also be a common attitude held by the conservatives who follow Frued and his mother problem fixations. This gives a reason to call gays mentally ill. Frued has been disproven on many of his theories, but many don't want to let go. If it fits their thinking they hang on to is instead of trying to change.
Sorry to get heavy, but I believe some of this thinking was on one of the sites and talked about McCain and his religious conversative beliefs.
I'm glad I don't go there. One of my old bosses/colleagues was one of the psychiatrists who got homosexuality thrown out of the DSM years ago. He was not gay, and felt this was a major coup for his group.
Time to say goodnight and sweet dreams.
I spent some time reading things on Riehl and McCain's blogs... what a bunch of self-important windbags.
ReplyDeleteThe Washington Times... not sure I'd crow about working for the moonies, but then again, moonies are as proud of themselves as are the scientologists. They, and only then, have all the answers we could ever need.
couple of road applers, them two.
North Dallas, Barack Obama is the President of the entire United States. Your throwing ownership around dehumanizes all of us.
ReplyDeleteFrankly I think there is a big difference in the context. Can you understand that statement?
10catsinMD
@ Basheert and Birdwatcher:
ReplyDeleteThe town hall teabaggers/birthers are being exposed on MSNBC (Keith and Rachel). I hope the independents and the reasonable Republicans are tuning in. This whole charade is infuriating and I'm so pissed that the responsible Republicans (if there is such a thing) are not calling out this b/s. These people are staging this fake outrage just to get in the way of a very important agenda that the majority wants.
this will say I'm annonymous...I can't figure out how to get my name signed in here. Anyway.....
seattlefan
@10cats in MD: I had several reasons for writing that the McCains had 6 kids and lived in Maryland. #1 It is in his Wikipedia biography, and out there for anyone to read.
ReplyDelete#2 Since McCain listed personal information about Gryphen, it was my way of letting McCain know that we can find out personal information about him, too. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Palin palls around with Scientology and Moonie cultist?
ReplyDeleteLove how the right calls us "moonbats". We're not the people siding with the moonies or claiming Australian birth certifcate forgaries are Kenyan BC of the POTUS of the USA.
ReplyDeleteNo, some of us are OK with reality.
Anon at 8:34, I am on your side. I put that info out there also, but I was and still am so upset with all of them and the personal information let out. I may not be commenting in the best way, but I'm trying. I could probably find out where he lives and get a picture of his house, but that would get me in trouble.
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Anon - I was talking about my location in MD, not McCain's. Sorry, I have put out several posts, should have checked better.
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Hey Gryphen, you made the National Enquirer, except they call you the "Immorality Report"
ReplyDeleteSome "people" (important ones) are collecting far more information then you might ever imagine about McCain and Diehl. A) they have gone too far-calling someone a pedophile and inciting hatred and violent action are NOT the same as Gryphen repeating what people have told him. B) don't forget the Homeland security report that right wing extremism is the worst threat to Americas stability.it is a top priority now. So save their comments and tweets that specifically ask people to do something hateful, make copies and send them to the the right place/people (authorities) C) these guys forget that their associatons (and income sources?) can be easily verified. They have an incentive for getting Gryphen and others to shut up.
ReplyDeleteGryphen has zero financial incentive. They say there is one but there isn't therefore there is no proof. D) Palin's connection to them can also be proven.
McCain and Diehl think they are smart but they aren't. Watch them make one mistake after another. Document and report it not to their jobs but to those who care about right wing extremism-ya know who?? Sarah is a BIG UGLY BULLY who thinks she has the power to stop people from talking about her. This is another flagrant example of how she works. It's time to stand up to her and say stop lying!! It's all about money you know and someone protecting their investment. Rupert picked the wrong investment this time.
The lover of Bernie Karnak was going to spill all the beans on Rupert but he bought her off. If he gets into a p!ss off with Palin may they both finish each other off, so to speak. She could do some good if she starts directing attention to his corruption. She made mafia schooled John McCain look like a limp noodle and she is still sinking his ship.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, I just wanted you to know that I just saw a clip from the Bill O'Reilly show where they discuss you. They show your picture and they mention your name. I am sure you are on top of this stuff, but I just want to make sure.
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ot:: i had not seen this before.
ReplyDeleteIf you missed it, check it out.
very important to get a feel for the area
http://gawker.com/5205326/bristol-palins-myspace-file
the David Talbot video also talks about the evangelical Alaska of Sarah Palin.
Sarah is lying. She is not doing twitter as promised. She is a disappointment. I would not want to hear her ghost writer.
Bristol would be the one to take over if Sarah wants to remain undisclosed and speechless unless paid. There is no money in tweets.
Palin aftermath.. e-mail and gift issues live on
ReplyDeletehttp://www.adn.com/palin/story/888057.html
What is the latest on the Tenn e-mail ?
Health care is an enormous issue and an important one, but O'Reilly is busy discussing a simple blogger in Alaska because his buddies in snark, crappy, conseratism journalism want to punish the blogger for saying something about Sarah Palin.
ReplyDeleteWhat Crap! We already know where OReilly lives as he has been haunted outside his home before by journalists.
10catsinMD
APOC is giving Palin until Aug. 17 to make public “information related to the dollar amount of the discounts from Arctic Cat,” as well as any gifts received in 2008 that she has not reported, said Holly Hill, the agency’s director. Hill found that the state law Palin cited in arguing for an exemption from the Arctic Cat disclosure “only protects information submitted under the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act, and does not apply in this matter.”
ReplyDeletethe Alaska Public Offices Commission has refused Palin’s request to keep secret the discounts that come from her husband’s Arctic Cat sponsorship. APOC also said Palin needs to disclose all the gifts she received last year, rejecting her interpretation that she doesn’t need to until after she gets around to actually opening the gifts.
Palin has told APOC “there are boxes of unopened mail at this point, even mail that was delivered in 2008.”
Information about Arctic Cat and Undisclosed Unopened Gifts needs to be reported to the IRS. She has to declare this stuff as income. Unlike your powerless, toothless Alaska Commission, the IRS does not like to be stalled, stiffed or lied to. Any benefits received in 2008 should have been on the tax form filed in April 2009. Let the Feds get her. (Maybe she needed to "retire" so she could get all her complaints in order). I think that the IRS offers a finders fee, up to 10%, for someone who can turn in the tax-cheat and prove it.
ReplyDeleteChill everyone - a couple of things.
ReplyDeleteIf you trust Gryphen, then you have to believe he has the plan to hold tight until the truth comes out and confirms his story.
RE: APOC and the IRS. That is where the power lies - because the IRS does not care WHO $P is, they just want to make certain that the Palins have paid their taxes and if not, the fines are HUGE (I can swear to that). You can't bribe them- and you can't make them go away. Unfortunately we also won't know if an investigation is taking place.
RE: The trolls
Please chill. The average IQ of these individuals is a -10. Do you want to take these knuckledraggers on? Everytime you get sucked in, you get dragged down to their level. Do you realize what it sounds like???
Poster: Gryphen rules
Troll: But ... Obama
Poster: Go away troll
Troll: But ACORN
Poster: ..(intelligent comment)
Troll: But Kenya, Indonesia, Obama
I mean REALLY. Let them show their ignorance and stupidity but don't buy into it.
RE: the $P trolls: The flying monkeys think $P "cares" about them. The flying monkeys are "collateral damage" in the windtunnel that is $P's career. IF she could make a nickle a body, they'd be piled up like cord wood. Let's get this straight - this is high school idol worship. Remember The Beatles (of course THEY had talent)!!! High school idol worship - immature right. But when you are 15 you actually KNOW that the Beatles do not KNOW you in reality.
RE: Newsmax - big deal. I blast them into my spam- they are NOT a news organization. They are opposing Media Matters. They are a Moonie organization - ignore what they say.
Please - friends - don't go down the RabbitHole? This will pass - and getting drawn into a screaming match is not going to help.
Hang tough Gryphen - not sure what is going on but I'm hoping the IRS will act on the unreported income if it's there. As an Alaskan, you or an alaskan reader can file an incident report with the local office in Anchorage and it WILL be confidential (that's how they operate). Remember, Al Capone finally went to jail for tax fraud.
We don't know that the IRS isn't watching her. I do believe they watch candidates or PAST candidates returns to assure the funds were reported, they AUDIT (fun fun fun), they assess taxes.
ReplyDeleteI believe also that Arctic Cat will be a biggie - at least I hope so.
The Arrogance That is Sarah may end her in Leavenworth. Perhaps she will share a cell with yet another tax evader.
Think Al Capone....
Just seen on MSNBC: Tamyrn Hall and David Shuster had the Politico journalist on to whom $P gave her "brief telephone interview" last night.
ReplyDeleteTurns out Palin's staff called the reporter at 10:45 pm Eastern time, waking him up to ask if he wanted to interview Palin on the condition he would be allowed to ask just two questions.
Palin was calling from ritzy Michael's restaurant in Manhattan. Reporter said yes to the two question limit, and that's when Palin came on the line and said she was in New York talking to her publisher, and that she and Toad are busy planning the rest of their lives together.
So, $P hungry for publicity much? I'll bet she is missing that tweeting, but had to settle for two questions to Politico that said essentially nothing. The new plan must be to keep up the mystique. Poor little bots not getting the personal tweets they were hoping for...