Thursday, September 24, 2009

Kirk Cameron fights back against critics of his idea to distribute Creationist friendly copies of "Origin of Species" on college campuses.

He's used to getting love letters and high-fives as a former teen heartthrob, but onetime Growing Pains actor Kirk Cameron isn't letting the mockery and criticism dissuade him from promoting his controversial project to dispute evolutionary theory.

"Atheism has been on the rise for years now, and the Bible of the atheists is The Origin of Species," Cameron tells PEOPLE. "We have a situation in our country where young people are entering college with a belief in God and exiting with that faith being stripped and shredded. What we want to do is have student make an informed, educated decision before they chuck their faith."


First off "Origin of Species" is NOT the Atheist's Bible. This is.

Second isn't it possible that the reason so many young people "chuck their faith" by the time they exit college is because of the first time they have the tools to "make an informed, educated decision" ABOUT their faith?

I am guessing that for many teens raised in small towns, and educated by people who for the most part attend the same church and share the same faith, college is the first time they are exposed to the idea that not everybody in the world embraces their particular brand of faith.

With eyes now wide open they are finally able to make a choice concerning their own religious point of view based on a potpourri of new and exciting information. Many college graduates still return to the church of their childhood. In my opinion religion is less an intellectual choice than it is an emotional choice. If students feel an emotional connection to a church that made them feel safe and loved, chances are pretty good they will return. If they are looking for something that they cannot find sitting in the pews, or kneeling with their head pointing toward Mecca, or burning incense in their temple, they will look elsewhere.

But what Cameron is doing is providing fallacies about the impact of Origin of Species, and attacks on Darwin himself, to scare students away from learning about Evolution.

But never has he ruffled so many feathers, especially among academics, as he has this week, slamming evolutionary theory as untrue, inherently un-Christian and the driving force behind some of the most horrendous catastrophes of the 20th century, including Adolf Hitler's plan to destroy "inferior races." "You can see where [Hitler] clearly takes Darwin's ideas to some of their logical conclusions and compares certain races of people to lower evolutionary life forms," Cameron says. "If you take Darwin's theory and extend it to its logical end, it can be used to justify all number of very horrendous things."

This of course is bullshit!

In fact Hitler had books about Dawinism removed from German libraries:

The Nazi Party in general rejected Darwinism and supported Christianity. In 1935, Die Bücherei, the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, published a list of guidelines of works to reject, including:

Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel). (Die Bücherei 1935, 279)

On the other hand, an undated "Blacklist for Public Libraries and Commercial Lending Libraries" includes the following on a list of literature which "absolutely must be removed":

c) All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk. (Blacklist n.d.)

It is widely known that Adolph Hitler was a Catholic (Well widely known by those of us that read, that is). However I would certainly NOT blame the Catholic church, or Christianity in general, for the horrific things that the Nazis did. That would be ignorant.

So why bring up Hitler and try to connect him to Darwin?

Because Hitler is universally reviled. If you can somehow connect the actions of that mass murderer with a guy you are trying to denigrate it makes it that much easier to do so.

Which is also why you saw those posters of Obama with a Hitler mustache and the word "fascist" underneath, which by the way may be an even stupider comparison than the Hitler/Darwin association.

So what exactly is Kirk Cameron's major malfunction anyhow?

"I am proud to bring this to people's attention," he says. "You see things in the world that are truly distressing and you think, 'What can I do?' Well this is something I can do."

So something he "can do" is to make himself a laughingstock while perpetrating a lie in a desperate attempt to suppress a widely accepted truth? Is that how he wants his kids to remember him?

And speaking of his children:

And if his own kids ended up believing in evolution? "Could I accept it? Yeah sure," he says. "I accepted a lot of things that are not true before I was able to sit down and listen to more then one side and think things through the issues. I would sit them down and tell them that I was happy that they were thinking about this stuff, now let's look at all of the information and see if we don't come to a better conclusion. If after that, they still come to the same conclusion, so be it."

Well good, at least Cameron sounds like a loving father. I can respect that.

However Cameron's mission is doomed before it starts.

Handing intellectually hungry young adults these books will certainly get them interested in the subject, but if Kirk were to sit in on one of their conversations about his "gifts" I doubt very seriously he would like which direction it took.

How long do you think it would take, in the age of Google, for these inquisitive young minds to research Cameron's claims? And how much longer until they read up on recent findings in Evolution? My guess is that in less than an hour they would have educated themselves well enough to realize that Kirk Cameron is completely full of shit. But hey no loss, because then they would still be in possession of one of the most important books in the history of science. (Gee thanks Mr. Ex-teenage idol!)

They could always rip out that stupid introduction if they wanted, but if I were them I would leave it in to serve as a testament to the importance of getting a well rounded education.

If only Kirk Cameron had taken the time to get one.

25 comments:

  1. Anonymous7:33 PM

    Kirk Cameron has taken "weird" to a whole new level.

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  2. Just_a_Mote7:52 PM

    Kirk Cameron is an idiot. There, I said it.
    I don't usually get down to that level but his type of stupidity gets to me.

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  3. Anonymous8:22 PM

    Hey slow down Gryphen...your posts are just tumblin on out!

    There is nothing in the theory of evolution that precludes "God" having started the whole ball of wax, so, therefore, there is nothing that precludes those of us who believe that creatures on earth including humans have all evolved from simpler live forms--from also believing that "God", or however you want to refer to the Ultimate Cause...created it!! It is pretty hard to grasp that whole "something out of nothing" big bang stuff, so it's reasonable/easier to suppose a higher power of some sort. It is not reasonable for someone to say that since I believe in evolution therefore I do not believe in God and am an atheist. I am sure some who believe in evolution are atheists or agnostics, but that is not true of most. On top of that, just because someone is an atheist or agnostic, it does not mean that that person is any less moral than people who believe in God or follow particular religions. I know that is a RADICAL view point to some religious folks, but I believe that many more atheists act much more "Christian" than some "Christians".

    Also,too, Kirk Cameron can believe what he wants, and he does have those darn cute dimples. However, actively trying to distribute slanted versions of books because you're afraid students might chose to think for themselves--not so cute.

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  4. Cameron is way off, but, hell, it's a free country and the first amendment applies to the willfully ignorant as well as the intellectually curious.

    I think most students who read his work will figure it out.

    Some won't - but mostly because they don't want to.

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  5. mlaiuppa8:43 PM

    $20 says he home schools his kids to make sure they come to a better conclusion.

    If they go to college at all, it will be a right wing fundamentalist college that teaches creationism as science.

    Poor kids.

    Nothing like having a degree and still being an idiot. Of course, that qualifies them to be governor of Alaska.

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  6. "So something he "can do" is to make himself a laughingstock while perpetrating a lie in a desperate attempt to suppress a widely accepted truth?"

    Laugh of the day for me.

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  7. Gasman10:39 PM

    Cameron is a moron. He hasn't the slightest idea of what Darwinism or evolution is. My guess is that he is probably equally as uninformed about the Bible. Most of that crowd thinks that Biblical scholarship and theological scholarship simply means memorization of the King James Version. My guess is, if he sat in on nearly any lecture regarding serious scholarly study of biblical history at any real seminary, his head would explode from the sudden inrush of unaccustomed facts.

    What was possibly the most troubling thing about the Bush administration - after that whole illegal war thing, our loss of civil liberties, the shredding of the Constitution, and our lurch toward a fascist dictatorship - was that they hired so many of these imbecilic arrogant bastards with bogus "fact free" degrees from places like Liberty. Unfortunately, many of these holier-than-thou self deluded morons have burrowed their way into the Justice Department and elsewhere and will be boils on our collective arse for years to come.

    The fundagelicals would be far easier to tolerate if they weren't so God damned smug in their self righteousness. It is a pity that ignorance isn't painful.

    God damn them all and go to hell.

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  8. Anonymous11:24 PM

    As a retired English teacher (in public schools in California), I found that one of the most useful ways of comparing two books was to organize their contents side-by-side. I taught my students to do this before they wrote their essays comparing the two books. It appears, from KC's video, that this is sort of what he has tried to do--give information from Origin of Species side-by-side with Bible information. His method of teaching, then, seems to me (from my experience teaching) to be a useful one, not a stupid one. Therefore, I must conclude that the comments that he is stupid or an idiot must spring from some prejudice against his subject matter.

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  9. Anonymous3:36 AM

    If he is distributing copies of an already copyrighted book with other changes, does that not bring in some kind of legal ramifications?

    Like send him to jail real quick.

    10catsin MD

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  10. Ya know, KKKirk Is really stupid. First of all, our Country was founded on Freedom of Religion.
    These so-called Christians seem to forget that all the time. Freedom from the tyranny of religion. Maybe Kirk should be reading about the Spanish Inquisition, or about how Britain and Europe used to burn people alive for not following Christian doctrine.
    I am a Christian but don't wear it on my sleeve. I do not go to any church, Bible group, whatever. I choose to have my own personal relationship with God. Kinda what Jesus says to do in their Bibles. I also believe in evolution. These people who claim to know what God thinks are freakin nuts! I don't believe God thinks about social issues, or is he/she homophobic, or against health care reform. I think that Jesus would want people to treat each other the way they'd like to be treated themselves. I think Jesus would be happy if there were no more hate, wars, discrimination. Peace and Love is what it's all about. Loneliness and hate will kill you, your spirit and your soul slower than a bullet but it will be much more painful.
    Show Me a life without love, respect and brotherhood, and I'll show you someone who is a dead person walking. If people choose to be atheists then that is their own personal belief. Many Atheists are so much more loving and caring than the Christian Taliban. Hell, anybody who respects others is more loving and caring than the Christian Taliban.
    And there you have my daily rant on fake Christians, false prophets and people who use the Lord's name in Vain. Because when they say they're speaking for God, they are using His/Her name in Vain.

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  11. Wait a minute. This man is actually giving away copies of The Origin of Species? Isn't that a Good Thing? Why don't virulent evolutionists give away copies of the Bible? Too hard?

    Charles Darwin's college education was in Theology. He made an educated attempt at explaining his observations; but his education did not include what we now call scientific training. He did what he could with what he had. Not bad.

    This chronic firefight about either/or evolution or faith is foolish. Darwin's theory is about "The Origin of Species", not the origin of everything! And people who believe in intelligent design have recently used an experiment with Adriatic lizards to prove (scientifically) that the DNA of these lizards allowed them to develop a necessary valve to cope with a changed environment. Looks to me like both sides need to stop talking and start observing! The 'junk' DNA worked to develop something new. Mr. Darwin and Mr. Cameron should be shaking hands. grammy

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  12. He was on a TV show with a character named "Boner" as his best friend. Nuff said.

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  13. They cannot stand the thought that Hitler, who is the boogey man for all, was a Catholic and Christian. They cannot afford to let that be widely known because that would destroy the image of Pres. Obama as Hitler and honestly, their world.
    Someone a Christian that could do such horrible things? Does not compute.

    I watched his video with my husband. Darned if we did not watch an animal show that evening that had a big hairy ape eating a bananna.
    We looked at each other and laughed.
    That big ole hairy ape was eating that bananna just fine! And could peel it too!!!

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  14. Anonymous6:47 AM

    I know we all have those perplexing questions of logic that we pose to fundies of every religious bent, and that Romanian girl is so cute - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmHN3JtyUXg

    Here's another:

    If the bible is, among other things, a collection of god(s) speaking to people which is deemed to be of real importance, then why when people say that god told me this, or god spoke to me; why isn't that word of god added to the bible?

    I understand revelations says "the end." I'm asking the people who don't believe it's the end.

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  15. As I recall, toward the end of "Growing Pains", Kirk made an absolute arse of himself with his "biblical" tirades and was asked, on several occasions, to remember that the rest of the cast and crew did not appreciate his trying to indoctrinate them into his version of "Christianity".

    Hasn't changed, eh?

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  16. Anonymous8:11 AM

    What has always interested me is that the order in which scientists say things happened/evolved closely parallels the order of events in the first chapter of Genesis. And I agree with those that state the Bible and evolution are not mutually exclusive.

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  17. Gasman,
    I love reading your comments!

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  18. Jackie2:21 PM

    Damn - does this mean I'm not even a good atheist? I didn't know we had a bible...

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  19. Gasman2:23 PM

    Anon @ 11:24,
    As a retired English teacher you should know better. A side by side comparison of the two works is meaningless because they have nothing in common whatsoever, and you of all people should know that. Comparing the Bible to Origin of Species is about as valid as comparing the Bible to the Kama sutra. It is like comparing apples to platypuses.

    You betray a fundagelical bias in even suggesting such a comparison. The very comparison belies an ignorant misunderstanding of the very concept of natural selection and what Darwin observed. It is in no way an "atheist bible" so there is absolutely no validity to the comparison. Such a suggestion is the product of a shoddy intellect. I expect no less from Cameron. I would have expected quite a bit more from a retired English teacher.

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  20. Anonymous4:07 PM

    To Gasman: I stand by this teaching method. My students used it successfully to compare (which, in literary terms, also includes contrasting) articles with articles, novels with novels, literary characters with literary characters, poems with poems, etc.. To throw out a good teaching method would be...stupid? Idiotic? No--just wasteful.

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  21. Gasman5:00 PM

    Anon @ 4:07
    You opine, "To throw out a good teaching method would be...stupid? Idiotic?"

    No, it would be appropriate, because they are wholly unrelated texts and the comparison is meaningless. There is nothing wrong with the teaching method, just when you would employ it. You ham-handedly ignore this fact. I too, am an educator of nearly 30 years. Anybody who slavishly adheres to a single teaching method in all situations should retire.

    Trial and error could also be a valid method for learning. It would probably, however, not be such a good method when you find errant medication on the floor of the nursing home.

    Your method is inappropriate only if there is any truth to Origin of Species being regarded as "the Atheist Bible." For that to have any validity, atheists would actually have to have adopted it as such. Show me such proof.

    Origin of Species is a work of science and the Bible is a work of religious faith. There is no overlap in their subject matter, therefore comparisons between the two texts are inappropriate.

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  22. Anonymous9:16 AM

    Gasman: Sadly, you make assumptions. I used hundreds of methods, including this one. And, as you yourself posted, "there is nothing wrong with the teaching method." I suspect that your animosity towards Christ and Christians has colored your view so that you attack anything and anyone--including a teaching method and a teacher--that YOU assume is related, in some way, to your hatred.

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  23. Anonymous1:31 PM

    As a teacher and a published author (and a Christian), I believe that the random comparisons between TOC's of books in different fields (Science/19th century Naturalism versus Religion/Sacred Text) is a completely arbitrary way of comparing contents of unrelated books. As a student, I would have found that to be completely illogical and very confusing.

    It doesn't contextualize either book properly.

    It's one thing to compare and contrast poems of the same periods, or on the same topics. But The Book of Genesis is not about the same thing as THE ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES. One is metaphor; the other is theory.

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  24. Gasman2:10 PM

    Anonymous,
    Now it is you that does the assuming. I am an ordained elder in the Presbyterian Church and am well versed in the Bible. Regardless of what uninformed buffoons like Cameron assert, it is NOT incompatible with evolution and natural selection. I have no animosity for Christ and Christians, as you have errantly surmised. I detest ignorance, especially the type of sanctimonious, arrogant, holier-than-thou fundagelical ignorance that allows its adherents to act as self appointed guardians to Christ.

    These deluded fools would reduce Christianity to a selectively First Century cult of superstitions, laws, and a punitive social code. These clods have an extremely high tolerance for racism, cultural bigotry, sexism, and homophobia. THAT is who I have animosity towards.

    Despite what Kirk Cameron and others would have us believe, ignorance is NOT a prerequisite for Christianity. That so many "Christians" don willful ignorance as some kind of hair shirt to affect piety does not make it a virtue. Ignorance is just plain stupidity. The fact that Cameron isn't smart enough to tell the difference between a domesticated banana and its wild progenitor should disqualify him from any debate regarding the validity of Darwin, evolution, or on the subject of creation at all.

    It was you that invoked the side by side teaching method for comparing the Bible and Origin of Species. I still maintain that it is wholly inappropriate for the reasons which I cited. I would be willing to bet that very few non-fundagelicals would regard such a method as appropriate. You betray your bias by even suggesting that it is appropriate.

    I'll go toe to toe with ANY fundagelical when it comes to Biblical literacy and knowledge - and I don't mean simple memorization. I would hazard a guess that Cameron and his ilk are not nearly as well versed in reading about Darwin, evolution, and natural selection as I am. I'm not bragging, it's just that I have read extensively on the subject and I know that they have not. They could not and make the idiotic statements and observations that they use to buttress their positions. Their willful ignorance on the subject disqualifies them, it does not make them experts.

    Don't make sweeping assumptions about people based upon your prejudicial views of what you read in an on-line post. Your assumptions about my faith you were dead wrong.

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  25. Anonymous3:56 PM

    Gasman says: "It was you that invoked the side by side teaching method for comparing the Bible and Origin of Species." No, it was K. Cameron who used the method this way. I simply stated that it was a good teaching method; and I still believe it is so. I see, from your post, that your prejudice is only against certain Christians but not all Christians. Thank you for showing me your distinction.

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