To answer my own question, yes. The anti-American, racist tinged rhetoric coming from Fox news, and other conservative media outlets is certainly inflaming the passions of individuals who are under educated, deeply racist, and frightened by visions of a government that will take away their freedoms. Some of these individuals are obsessed with the idea that they have to fight to protect themselves from an out of control federal government and fantasize about taking up arms and defeating the Army of Obama.
This is much, much more than simple opposition to a President. This is war being declared on our country by those who feel disenfranchised, and whose paranoia is purposely being fed by Fox News.
Two days before Obama’s appearance at San Francisco fund-raisers on Thursday, a 59-year-old Northern California man was indicted on charges of sending a racist, profanity-filled e-mail threatening to kill Obama and his family. The rambling e-mail included specific references to Michelle Obama and the phrase, “do it to his children and family first in front of him,’’ according to the indictment.
The Southern Poverty Law Center says that antigovernment militias and white supremacist groups have strengthened in recent years, responding to an increasingly diverse population and what they see as an expanding government.
A center study released in August found a nearly 35 percent growth in racially based domestic hate groups since 2000 - from 602 to 926. The center concluded that opposition to Obama’s election has only increased the phenomenon.
“A key difference this time is that the federal government - the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy - is headed by a black man,’’ the report said. “One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama.’’
Threatening language has also found its way into talk radio broadcasts and social networking websites, raising fears that individuals not normally considered threats to the president could be incited to violence.
For example, the Secret Service in recent months has investigated a poll posted on Facebook about whether Obama should be killed. It has interviewed a Florida radio talk show host after a caller mentioned ammunition, target practice, and the president, and federal officials have raised concerns about several instances in which protesters carrying weapons showed up at Obama events, including a man at an August town hall in New Hampshire.
“The racist extremist fringe is exploiting themes that strike a chord in the mainstream more than we have seen in the recent past,’’ said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino, citing several elected leaders who have questioned whether Obama is a US citizen eligible to be president.
Freedom of speech is one thing. And I certainly believe that it must be protected. But inciting violence against the President of the United States is completely indefensible.
Fox News organized those Teabagger rallies, and then filmed them as if they were real grass roots protests that sprang up organically, thus attempting to send the message that these were REAL Americans who were standing up for their rights. And as Max Blumenthal brilliantly pointed out in his video's, they were not exactly sure what rights they were in danger of losing, but they were beyond angry at the possibility losing them.
"We can't kill Obama" one says with a distinct look of dissatisfaction on his face.
"ACORN supports the Obama Revolution" says one clearly deranged man who then goes on to compare Obama to Hitler.
These are not ideas that occurred to these people on their own. These are fears and concerns implanted in their heads purposefully by Fox News and Right Wing radio hosts.
Everyday on their programs Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and the rest of the false journalists on Fox and rabid radio wing nuts, tell millions of unsophisticated Americans that they are in imminent danger of losing their freedoms at the ands of a man who is NOT a real citizen of America, who has a private army called ACORN, and who has been sent by the forces of Islam to destroy the United States of America.
So my question is, if somebody takes a shot at my President, do the talking heads at Fox News get locked up for conspiring to assassinate the President of the United States?
Update: As I sat down to eat my breakfast I suddenly remembered where I had first seen the racist mob mentality.
The excitement that Sarah Palin brought to the McCain campaign that Republican strategists are always bragging about was this racially charged, hostile energy that seemed drawn to Palin.
Before McCain picked Sarah he had fairly traditional Republican support, but after Sarah.....
So I think it is fair to say that the spark which started this angry inferno came from Palin herself, Fox News just fanned the flames into what we see today.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is and always has been at the forefront of ferreting out racist groups and people. I send them a little bit of support every month and it is especially nice to have them in your will. Yes, I believe that "right media" have put our president at risk. They should be held accountable and, I believe, it is legal to do so. I would not be surprised if the SPLC will be the ones to legally act against this rhetoric.
ReplyDelete"talking heads at Fox News get locked up for conspiring.."
ReplyDeleteSeems the talking heads got away with it when Dr. Tiller was murdered. O'Reilly and his Baby Killer chant and the others who referenced Dr. Tiller.
They'd call the person a "Rogue" nutcase, who, instead of "Going Rogue" "Went Rogue".
Keep your eyes on the "Compound"! The label has already attached itself.
FREE SPEACH HAS LIMITS. YOU CANNOT YELL FIRE IN A THEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteFrank Schaeffer discusses his concerns about the radicalization of the Christian right and the increasingly violent rhetoric he foresees turning into actual violence in his new book "Patience with God: Faith for People Who Don’t Like Religion (or Atheism)". He believes that America is facing a dangerous time in its history and that the fringe element of the far right of the Republican Party seem to believe that they have a god given right to incite violence and threatening behaviour against those with whom they take issue. And it is not only Obama who is being targeted so be prepared, if those nuts take control they will set up panels of their own to eliminate homosexuality and and other such so called deviant attitudes.
ReplyDeleteFrank says that he thinks that most of the media has ignored the threat of extreme right wing violence and that the only people who really seem to be paying attention are bloggers although he specifically singals out Rachel Maddow as someone in the media who is listening.
You can read more about Frank Schaeffer at the following link:
http://www.frankschaeffer.com/
The Civil War never truly ended.
ReplyDeleteI wondered if the threats to the President had anything to do with the early award of the Nobel Prize. I don't think it can be awarded post-humously.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, Here's a project while we wait for the iceberg.
ReplyDeleteCompile a list of Fox advertisers and circulate it with suggestion that we boycott all products. Hit them in the pocket book and you'll get attention. Post the list and suggest that your followers help it go "viral"
This is a truly sad situation. If these talk show hosts had any sense and decency among them, they would stop all of this hate speech. Palin was a force in bringing this to the front during the campaign, she absolutely beamed at the shouters...what a shame. No wonder I hate her so much. She is the worst candidate ever.
ReplyDeleteLivvy great Idea, I have boycotted the previous list of Glen Baeck advertizers, maybe we could do the same with all of Faux news!
ReplyDeleteI also would like any and all bloggers to be alert and report any direct online threats, I did with one blogger on Huffpo. I went to the Secret Service website and called the number, they transfered me to someone else immediately and came online to view the comments(the guy was stupid enough to have put up his myspace page on an earlier post)...they called me back 1 1/2 hrs later to tell me they had done some checking and had agents on the way to "interview" him. While I love freedom of speech, with that freedom comes responsibility.
Livvy's idea is a great one. I am terrified for our President and his family, even though I know they have all kinds of protection that we're not kept up to date on (and rightly so). For example, some days I see the two discreet armored Suburbans with tinted windows that bring Malia to and from her school, which is several blocks from my home. Chelsea Clinton's detail to the same school comprised only one car.
ReplyDeleteAnon 7:16, long long before the Nobel Prize was awarded, there have been nutters threatening Obama. Since he ran for State Senate. Since early in the presidential campaign--in fact, about the only good thing I can say about Michael Chertoff is that he assigned a heavy-duty Secret Service detail to Obama before any other presidential candidate.
Mrs. Tarquin Biscuitbarrel
With the jobless rate climbing by the minute.It will only get worse. These people now have way too much time on their uneducated hands.
ReplyDeleteYou know what they say about idle hands.......
Something like Livy suggested above is something we can do. = I feel that locking up the extremist leaders like Beck, Limbaugh, etc, would create another civil war - well, not exactly, but violent demonstrations by the fanatics. A call-out to the National Guard like the sixties, but for reversed reasons. In the sixties the demonstrations were for human rights and progressing our nation. Today, the demonstrations further hate and bigotry. - Let's support the Obama Administration in ways that reflect his calm leadership.
ReplyDeleteIt's disgusting but true, I agree that Scarah started this whole mess, with the help of Rush Limbaugh. McCain is a yellow-bellied coward to say anything negative about her.
ReplyDeleteAs Mr. Schaeffer and Anon at 7:02AM state, the far right fringe feel they have the right to incite and commit violence against those who disagree with them.
ReplyDeleteI am reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and have already gone past the part where Hilter and his crew did the same thing as the far right is doing in our country now. Fortunately for the US, the far right does NOT have a Hitler in its ranks to incite the same level of fanaticism and insanity (sorry Beck, et al are not Hitlerian in any way, shape or form).
If one of their rank does emerge to be as able, intelligent, and astute in the ways of manipulation as Hitler was (and I a NOT praising him, belevei me), look out for your lives. It was just too easy for Hitler to use political and economic events to seduce and entire people with his way of thinking.
This doesn't help either.
ReplyDeleteSecret service cutbacks
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/21/new-book-says-secret-service-cut-corners-on-obamas-protection/
I think we can blame Miss Wasilla Christian as the person most responsible for the current escalation of hate speech in America.
ReplyDeleteShe made it acceptable by not saying anything about being more of a loving LOYAL opposition, about approaching enemies with love, like Jesus commands all Christians.
She is NOT a CHRISTIAN. In my early teens I was in an evangelical church. We used to say, if you were accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?
Well, miss wasilla does not act like a Christian and harping on one subject, reproductive freedom, something neither God nor Jesus ever spoke about, does not make you a Christian.
To be fair to Sarah, she didn't start it, she's just the focal point, the one in whom they put all their hopes, the one they think will save us from the "gangsters" (The people on her FB page refer to the president as a gangster, regularly) but she did fan the flames, with the death panels thing and she is using her position for $$$. She'll fan, fan, fan, if it means more publicity, more books sold, more people signing up for her FB page and sending her $$$. She'll do anything for $$$.
ReplyDeleteCome on, folks. This is the lady who had the McCain campaign spend > $10,000 a week on her HAIR and MAKE-UP...she's greedy a bit, no?
I think Livvy's idea is a good one. I'm in.
ReplyDeleteThe people in both of these videos really scare me. You can just tell that, deep down, the only real problem they have with President Obama is the fact that he is one half black. They can't explain their thinking. All reasoning has flown the coop. I was particularly intriqued by that nutjob who kept repeating- I just want government completely out of my life!- Really? That's what you really want? Can we have her name and address. I'd like to make sure that she gets on a list- no government at all for MS.X. Can't wait to see how that works out...
In the Falin Rally video it seemed like quite a few of those loudmouths were plants. None of them had a clue what they were talking about. I'll bet someone handed them a hundred dollar bill and a paper with their line and sent them out to chant. There was no "heart" in those outbursts. Can't say it better than Cr46- "While I love freedom of speech, with that freedom comes responsibility".
SarahP didn't create the spark, but she certainly fanned the flames.
ReplyDeleteAnd it is increasing on both sides. Did anyone hear the NPR story this week on the changes in the organized aethiest movement? They are becoming more extreme too, and that helps nothing.
Hitting them in the pocketbooks is defnitely a good tactic. I don't want free speech limited on either side though. I will just try to work for the good.
I too was frightened when I went to DC this summer and saw two snipers on the roof of the White House while the First Family was outside.
As much as I would like to blame Sarah Palin for starting the racial rhetoric, I think that the Republicans used it 'way before Sarah showed up.
ReplyDeleteLast night, we were treated to that nasal whine of first president Bush, calling Keith and Rachel "sick puppies." In return, MSNBC called GHWB out for the vile Willie Horton ads. The use of Horton's picture speaks to the fear tactics that they used back then. Sarah has just fanned the flames that have always been there.
And, since the apple does not fall far from the tree, GWBush in his primary run against McCain did a not-so-quiet whisper campaign implying that McCain had fathered a black child out of wedlock. I'm no fan of McCain, either, and they did adopt a dark skinned girl from India, but the child was used to sink McCain back in 2000.
Notice that at that pro-McCain/Palin rally (or is it a hate-fest?) no one was cheering the names of their own candidates, or saying what they would do if elected. Nope, nothing to say about them. Just hatred against Obama. Just goes to show you the McCain/Palin ticket had nothing to say in the first place.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, enlarge and embed this video shot of an Obama poster in a Wasilla gun shop. It shows a bloody gun shot hole in the Presidents forehead. It's at 1:54 of a French broadcast of an interviwew with daddy Chuck.
ReplyDeleteI'd say this was the very first sign of hatred, coming right from Sarah's home town. Terrible! I don't know French so I have no clue what is being said about the gun shop.
http://vimeo.com/2095532
Is the rhetoric of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh placing President Obama's life in danger?
ReplyDeleteYes.
They are placing President Obama's life in danger as well as anyone near him. I don't think Jim Brady was Hinckley's target. His family is in danger. Not even safe in the White House with all the people calling for the military and law enforcement to "enforce the constitution." I think there are several of those out there now. Last one was a sheriff, not sheriff Joe.
The only use Palin is now is to work up the dangerous lunatics. Expose her before it is to late for some innocent person that gets in the way of another nut. I don't want to think they will get their target.
Sure is flabber-ghasting to me watching her repeat her Alaskan behavior on a MUCH grander scale.
ReplyDeleteDivisiveness and Makin' Things Up are contained in that little laptop of crazy implanted in her head. Take heart everyone, don't cha' think she's getting a lot of messages to keep herself over yonder in the wing nut corner? She's taking herself down in broad daylight. tick tock
I get to work closely to a guy that likes to mumble all about O'Blobba (his pet name for our President)
ReplyDeleteIt's all snarky and actually quite entertaining in a silly sort of way.. I just shake my head with amusement people can be so off their rocks in some aspects... the killer is "And he from Kenya! I tell ya!" ...
But.. Friday he and a "bud" who just go on and on started talking about Bill Mahr and got all Rooster Beer Gut belly out standing ..and said that Bill Mahr! If ever meet up with him in person he would be dead in a minute.. the other dude agreed
See.. I am all for people having their own opinions... and actually giving a stab at paying attention to politics.. it is a good thing to work the brain like that
But, now maybe he would of said this is Fox and Rush and Palin weren't stirring them on .. but this stuff is ridiculous
Everyone had issues with Bush Jr.. but the most he got was a shoe thrown in his face at that meeting over seas..
People werent talking about killing people whose opinions they don't like.. even if it was in "jest" or saying he was from another country
My thoughts on the whole Kenya thing.. even if by some bizarre twist he was from Kenya.. I'd thank Kenya for giving us such a great, articulate, strong leader :D
These are the ignorant foot soldiers of the GOP. I remember these McCain/Palin events. Even amongst their own kind, when confronted with a camera, most of these fools became somewhat more sheepish and less willing to make an on the record statement. These fools are emboldened by anonymity and mob emotions. FauxNews counts on this as a tool that will get these folks off their considerably fat asses and get them on the street screaming their irrational fears.
ReplyDeleteIf criminal charges can't be brought, then liberal groups should sue Murdoch for his using his resources to incite violence. Those kind of tactics worked against the Klan, I'd bet they could work against FauxNews.
How complicit must they be before we decide that they should be held accountable for their misdeeds? Are we waiting for real violence to erupt? FauxNews is the best possible argument for at least some federal limits upon what on air or cable broadcasters may say and do. There is no Constitutional protection for cable broadcasters. Only individual citizens enjoy that distinction.
"The excitement that Sarah Palin brought to the McCain campaign that Republican strategists are always bragging about was this racially charged, hostile energy that seemed drawn to Palin."
ReplyDeleteExactly right, and the #1 reason why I cannot stand this woman. She is, at the risk of sounding dramatic, evil. The fact that she's also stupid just makes her more dangerous. No surprise that the Queen of the idiots is a huge idiot herself.
anon 9:17, yes, and that's another reason I have no respect for McCain. After having his family smeared in 2000, he hired some of the very people who did the dirty work for W for his OWN campaign in 2008. No integrity, whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteI read that President Obama has had over 400 death threats in his short time in office, and I read that a while back.No doubt it's more by now.
ReplyDeleteWhere as Pres. Bush had something like 60 is whole 8 yrs!
It is serious.
I cringed when I heard he went to TX. Remember President Kennedy was warned not to, and was murdered.
I don't see any kind of commitment from these people and so I don't see them as a threat to Obama's life. Look closer, when the fat guy with the signs was approached by the guy with the mike, he showed nervousness and he obviously didn't want to get his message across. He wanted to escape and just be part of a crowd. The same thing was evident over and over again. Take the fat lady when asked why she was there if she thought the present healthcare situation was a ripoff. A real duhhhhh moment for her!
ReplyDeleteThese people have been hurt by the system and they're mad, but the political right has taken that anger and directed in exactly the opposite direction from where it needs to be directed. And we have to then ask ourselves, how could they make that happen? Well, there is a hold on them which is the same as the hold religion puts on simple people. It's applied at birth and the fact is, human nature is not strong enough to escape childhood conditioning.
So when things go wrong for simple people, they automatically turn toward preserving the system which they were born to honour and obey. They have no other choice.
However, amongst these people are the few who are not outspoken and carrying signs. They are the ones who are quietly stewing and really believing that they have to save their country from Obama, from communism, from Nazism, or to just preserve the American way. Those are the ones who will act out their frustrations in the name of their god or in the name of their perceived loss of freedom.
Know thy enemies, and luv from Canada.
The most ignoramous foot soldiers are the face of the Republican Party. Even the old guard like Bob Dole should run not walk away from any association unless they want more blood on their hands like the most fringe they encourage by pretending the Republican Party is still functioning. Sorry Mitt, Bob, Elizabeth. Kay Bailey Hutchison.and all. You lost your face. You gave it to the dangerously insane. You are complicit with the Rush and Palin nuts for not taking a stand.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see them all behind bars for killing Tiller and all the dead and wounded victims of what they are tolerating.
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I don't even know what to say this time. I am dumbstruck by the guy with the monkey toy with Obama on his head, cackling away... and the "go back to Kenya"...
ReplyDeleteOur president is the best thing that has happened in this country in a long time. Finally, an intelligent, moral guy with a global perspective.
These people are a throwback to pre-civil rights days.
This scares me.
If anything happens to our president. You can be sure, this country as we know it now,will no longer exist. The crap will surely hit the fan in a very big way.
ReplyDeleteThe Vanity Fair issue with Levi Johnston. Read the article about the book about Kennedy...The Warren Commission, I didn't know this, was set up to investigate whether the atmosphere of hate in Dallas contributed to the president's assassination, not to determine whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Some children in a school stood up and cheered when they found out...the things said about Kennedy include that he was a communist, etc. Why? Integration. I read it and got sick. It's so like now! And OF COURSE the people on the commission said the atmosphere had nothing to do with it...Right...
ReplyDeleteOur president is going to Texas to speak, he was asked by George Bush...I'm kind of worried...I have no doubt that in schools in Texas today, there'd be cheering at this most-unthinkable news...
ano at 6:28--Pres. Obama has already been in Texas and left. There were 500 people outside Texas A&M protesting against Pres. Obama! Can you imagine, 500 people who were so angry that they drove to College Station and marched in protest.
ReplyDeleteThere were way more people inside the building, listening to G. Bush and PO and in agreement with their statements. But 500 people at a Texas university protesting our President!
I'm sad.
The NFL decides who becomes an owner not the other way around.
ReplyDeleteAll this blowhard (Rush Hudson Limbaugh A.KA. Jeff Christie) has to offer is his money and his opinions, which in my opinion are on the fringes of racism (one mans opinion). There are many more groups biding for the Rams, not just his group. Lets face it there are more men with money that will gladly fill the slot and the Rams will win or lose depending on how well the team works together and not on whether or not Rush is an owner.
As for Vick, well he is a player (he has talent not like you, Rush or I, unless you are a NFL player?) and he served his time and the NFL decided we live in the land of second chances, so why not (I personally don’t like it but, oh well). Life has never been fair (NEWS FLASH!)
Now as to the “Free Speech” argument, I guess many of you like myself heard Rush on Thursday “Almost in tears”, priceless. But the last two days he now is in his normal ranting and will continue until someone surpasses him, “Free Speech” continues, so quit your whining.
http://www.chasingevil.org/2009/10/rush-limbaugh-in-his-own-words.html
Rush will not sue because he knows they will file a counter compliant and he will be deposed and like Nixon he knows that the tapes will sink him. For so many years he has spent his time on the radio mis-labeling and/ or mis-characterizing others. Poor little "self-centered" Rush, no out except creating the myth that everyone is out to get him. Sorry sucka you can only yourself to blame for your idiot comments. He finally had his judgment day where the NFL wins and tubby loses. Tee, hee....
PS - I am sure someone is working to put the tapes together maybe all you subscribers can help, since you are all about getting to the truth?
PPS- Beauty Pageant Judge - Now I understand why he lost the weight, to find a new wife, creepy.
Rush Limbaugh: Transcript of radio broadcast from Oct. 14, 2008
ReplyDeleteBy Keith Vance
TRANSCRIPT OF RUSH LIMBAUGH ON HIS RADIO SHOW FROM OCT. 14, 2008
Editor’s note: This is a verbatim transcript of Limbaugh explaining how ACORN, Barack Obama, Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright are all involved in a radical leftwing conspiracy to teach black kids to hate America.
From the time of my birth 57 years ago to today, this country has grown and expanded, prosperity has opened its doors for more and more people around the world, not just people born in this country.
We know the stories of asians immigrating and running rings around people born in this country academically in California. We know all about the immigration, legal and illegal, to get into the country. We know that the standard of living has risen. We know that technological advancement is going along at light speed.
And yet, during this period of time, whether it be the last 57 years, or the last 20 years, it seems that the majority of the black population has remained angry, frustrated and behind – they’ve been left behind. They’re acting like they’ve been left behind, and of course we’ve heard that this is because of racism, natural systemic institutional racism in America. We’re unfair. That this country is just horrible and rotten.
Do you ever ask yourself how it is that people not even born here can come here and in a few short years begin prospering in school, they’re own business, and yet people who are born in this country somehow have been raised to hate it – to still think they’re back in the days of slavery.
I actually think, after studying all this ACORN stuff, and reading what Stanley Kurtz has written about this, I actually believe that what has taken place here, in addition to liberal Democrat legislation – such as the great society and the war on poverty, which a lot of people would now acknowledge really busted up the black family by the government taking the place of a husband and father – he’s free to roam around and bear no responsibility. The mother remained the mother, she got the financial assistance from this legislation from the federal government. The federal government became the father. The father didn’t have to hang around in order for the kids to be OK – depending on how you define OK.
And as you study more and more of this ACORN stuff you find that it has been part of an entire movement that has been going for two maybe three decades right under our noses. We thought that it was just liberal welfare policies and all that that kept blacks from progressing while other minorities grew and prospered but no. It is these wackos from Bill Ayers to Jeremiah Wright to other anti-american afro-centric black liberation theologists, working with ACORN, and Barack Obama is smack dab in the middle of it. They have been training young black kids to hate hate hate this country. And they trained their parents before that to hate hate hate this country. It was a movement. It was a Bill Ayers anti-capitalist anti-american educational movement. ACORN is how it was implemented right under our noses.
They’re doing far more folks than just cheating when it comes to elections and registration. They’re in deep in this mortgage crisis. ACORN and Obama, and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the Democrat Party have their fingerprints the sub-prime mortgage crisis. The whole concept of affordable housing was people who can’t afford a mortgage are going to get one, because America is unfair.
It has been a movement. It has been a religion. And Obama and Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers were all up to their big ears in it.
Good grief,just when I thought free speech should never ever be infringed on I go and run into a website like this. What is wrong with you people? Do you really believe the drivel leaking out of your mouths?
ReplyDeleteSeems to me the lunatics are all right here on this site.
Now I see exactly how liberalism is a mental disorder.
Leaving now before you start throwing your tin foil hats at me.