Saturday, December 26, 2009

Andrew Sullivan deems Levi Johnston the REAL "Rogue" of 2009. Update!

Sullivan makes a number of very good points, but it is THIS one that I am going to focus on today.

Remember that Johnston is the only family member who actually knew and lived with Palin and has broken ranks. He could be lying, of course, or seeking revenge, or bargaining for more access to his son, or something else we don;t know about. But given Palin's record of dissimulation, it seems to me he deserves at least as fair a hearing as she has had, even if nothing like the millions she has raked in. His story deserves to be taken more seriously as a real account of what Palin really is. Until Wallace and Schmidt screw their courage to the sticking place, he's the best we've got.

Here, for example, is his recounting of an incident that few MSM observers can quite handle:
Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret—nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn’t have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging—she wouldn’t give up. She would say, “So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn’t want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid.
(To read the entire article just click the title.)

This is a very important, and revelatory comment by Levi, that has never quite received the attention that it deserves.

Levi, who would seem to have NO earthly reason to lie, says that Sarah Palin wanted to HIDE Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp. Did you get that? Her pregnancy with TRIPP!

But if Tripp was born in December 2008, and conceived nine months earlier, around say March, a time when Palin already KNEW she was on John McCains's short list for VP (By the end of February, 2008, the chorus of conservative pundits for Palin was loud enough for the mainstream media to take note. Chris Cillizza, reporting for the Web site of the Washington Post, interviewed Palin and asked her if she’d accept an offer to be McCain’s running mate. Though she dismissed the notion as a virtual “impossibility this go-round,” Palin, who had been in office for only fourteen months, said, “Is it generally something that I would want to consider? Yes.”), WHY would she even consider faking a pregnancy to cover up for Bristol?

And if we all agree that Palin would not have been willing to fake a pregnancy for a baby conceived after February 2008, then when WOULD she have been willing to do so?

Well we know she announced that she was pregnant with Trig Palin on March 6, the day right after McCain won the GOP nomination for President. (Really? The day after? Yes, really. The day after.)

You can see Alaska's response to THAT news in the video below.



And of course the other question would be, HOW could she possibly fake a pregnancy right after giving birth to Trig?

If Tripp were to be born in December, and Trig was born on April 18, then how could she make the dates work? Well she could have staged a premature birth. (Hey wasn't Trig born prematurely?) But how could she have faked pregnancy while campaigning for VP? Especially since her "sex appeal" was such an important factor in her selection? Yep that is a stumper.

So what we are left with is the possibility that Levi is a liar. (Bad Levi, bad!) Except that he certainly comes off as much more believable than his almost mother-in-law, so my first instinct is to believe him. Or that the dates the babies were supposed to have been born on is WRONG (hint, hint, hint.) Or that reality really does bend to Sarah Palin's will just like she illustrates to effectively in her book, where the facts we know are refuted by the facts she writes about.

Now for a little update on the Levi Johnston front.

Despite what Tank says, as of right now I know of NO book deal pending. They were very close at one point, but then things seem to have fallen apart. So when Tank says there is a book coming out in March, he must be writing it himself.

There is still a lot of interest in Levi's book, but growing fear that he will not tell the whole story. If he does not, then the only thing that will get published is a silly little gossipy paperback that will not even break into the top 1,000 books for sale in 2010.

I still think that Levi retains some credibility, so the only question is whether or not he has the balls. He did not show them in Playgirl, so until he puts them on paper the question still remains. I am still on his side, but very frustrated that things are taking so long. As are many of you.

I have reached out and offered to help him as much as I can. I also know a number of other bloggers, journalists, and activists offering to do the same if he needs their support or protection. All Team Levi has to do is ask for our help and we will provide it.

You know the number, make the call.

Update: Andrew Sullivan has misunderstood my post. I am NOT questioning Levi's honesty. There are those around Levi I am concerned with, but not Levi himself. I sent an e-mail to Andrew, if he answers it I will share a few things that might help him.

Blogger comments is ALL screwed up right now, and if I put comments into moderation they simply disappear, which is why you see so much troll action. If I turn off the comments then THEY win. The best thing to do is ignore them until Google gets their act together. Really.

Somebody mentioned that Levi did not specifically say that Sarah was going to attempt a pregnancy. I guess I felt that was inferred, but for the sake of argument let's say she was not offering to put herself through that. That means she would have had to hide Bristol, from the ever present cameras, whilst trotting EVERY OTHER FAMILY MEMBER before the media. Would that not have raised many questions? And then later when she suddenly adopted a baby, how would the media NOT put two and two together?

As for the threats posted on pro-Palin sites about guns at the book signing. Neither Dennis nor I had any intention of doing anything that could have even remotely been perceived as a threat. So the idea that these lunatics would have been justified in pulling their courage providing pistols is ridiculous. (Dennis and I both attended the Elmendorf signing without any incident whatsoever.) Palin did not ban us because she feared us, or feared FOR us. She did it because she feared what we might videotape or write. And then she gave us much more than we could have ever asked for to work with. Thanks Sarah.

Also I have never used the phrase "Trig was Tripp, before he was Trig". I believe the story is actually more complicated than that.

106 comments:

  1. Gryphen--that tape is amazing. You can see how well she used to come across, even if in limited doses. That's a far cry from the frenetic, crazed manner in which she currently speaks-e.g., the resignation speech. She's really imploding.

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  2. Anonymous10:20 AM

    Wow--she's falling apart. I give the bloggers such as yourself who refused to be intimidated a huge amount of the credit for that.

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  3. Anonymous10:28 AM

    She has got so many lies to maintain that she is a nervous wreck now.

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  4. Anonymous10:37 AM

    You can always tell when she is lying, her voice gets higher with her lying words: "... think, and work... ". LIAR!!

    Are the people of Alaska really that effing dumb (no offense, Grphen, but really...) that they didn't it was odd that someone kept their pregnancy a secret for 7 months? Instead, these morons think that is "so awesome". WTF?

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  5. What the hell was that? At the top ofthe comment page?
    Is that you, $arah?
    You know, if Obama were to screw up, which he won't, the loser doesn't get to take his place. We still have a process in this Country called elections.

    Levi, if you are reading this, know that more than half the USA is behind you! You would be helping, in a huge way, to save our Country from the fanatical te baggin power mongers.
    Please Levi, do what is the right thing. Be the ultimate whistleblower! You will be the Hero.

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  6. Gryphen, you may have to start monitering your comments section if only for the idiot who took up all of the space.
    Otherwise, it's kind of fun watching the $arah crowd go nuts each time a little piece of the puzzle come out.
    Maybe just limit them to so many charachters, like HuffPost.

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  7. Anonymous10:49 AM

    I had thought of this logistics problem when I read Sullivan's piece yesterday; it does not add up, but when does anything she says or does? She told Levi she wanted to "keep the baby a secret" and "adopt him." I don't think she's capable of thinking anything through, so as for the details, she'd "think about that tomorrow." She didn't put much thought or effort into the Trig pregnancy fake--could she have been any sloppier? Her only plan was to keep Bristol locked up and produce a baby several months after she was elected VP. By then, it wouldn't matter! What were we going to do, impeach her for adopting a foundling?

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  8. This is part of the "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig" thing, isn't it?

    I'd agree that while being on the shortlist for a VP candidacy doesn't seem a really good time to fake a pregnancy- or offer to fake a pregnancy. But you must always remember who you're dealing with. Sarah Palin. She's stupid, and she's cocksure, and she thinks if she says it, it becomes true.

    So I feel that saying Why on earth would she offer to pretend a baby is hers (with Tripp) isn't really a problem. Because you're looking at the situation intelligently and with awareness, and she doesn't have either.

    Ivyfree

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  9. Anonymous10:53 AM

    Gryphen,

    I talked to Tank on the Dan Fagan show last week and he said that Levi will have a book coming out in March. If he said that and there is no book, that will make people question Levi's creditbility also. Why would Tank want to put themselves in that situation?

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  10. Anonymous10:58 AM

    Gryphen, looks like this latest post has Andrew Sullivan starting to question Levi's credibility. Any chance you could provide a little clarification? Like the matter of birth dates, for example?

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  11. But how could she have faked pregnancy while campaigning for VP?

    I guess I don't understand. Why would she have needed to "fake" anything? She certainly didn't appear pregnant at any time during the Trig pregnancy, and it's been established that even wondering about that is well beyond the realm of taste or acceptable discourse about a woman in politics. In fact the invisible Trig pregnancy would have just lent it even more credibility - her defenders could simply say "see, here's two infants she's carried with absolutely no outward signs. Some women just don't show."

    In a world where it's a thought crime to wonder if a woman is really the biological mother of her children, the bar for a fake pregnancy to be convincing is quite low. Simple assertion is more than sufficient.

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  12. Anonymous11:00 AM

    The link to Andrew Sullivan's latest post regarding Gryphen and Levi:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/does-levis-story-add-up.html

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  13. Anonymous11:06 AM

    Gryphen -- dumb question perhaps, but where in that quote by Levi (or elsewhere in the article that's linked) does Levi (or anyone) say that Palin was going to "fake" the pregnancy? All I can see is that she said she'd ADOPT the baby. No mention of faking a pregnancy.

    Since Levi and Bristol said no, they wouldn't let her adopt - maybe Palin decided on another course? Who knows?

    Still, perhaps I've missed something (it wouldn't be the first time) - and if so, could you please post and point it out? Thanks.

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  14. I suppose one explanation is that Bristol wasn't really due in December but sometime in, say, February. Sarah planned to come out afterwards and say that she was six or seven months pregnant at the time of the election but was keeping it a "secret" so that all the "Neanderthals" wouldn't suggest a pregnant woman couldn't do her job, and she was able to hide it because with her Wonder Woman Abs she was once again not showing, just as she supposedly didn't show with Trig (sic).

    With the rumors flying that Trig was Bristol's, Sarah decided instead to cover up her first lie by outing her daughter's pregnancy and fudging Bristol's due date. It is possible that Trip was not born until several months after his supposed birth, or he could have been born prematurely. The baby in the hospital photos we have seen looks premature to me.

    I know you think Trig is not the child of Bristol and Levi. I don't know your source, obviously, but it seems to me that Trig could be Bristol's child and Levi simply does not know about her first pregnancy, either because the child is not his or because Bristol never told him about her first pregnancy because he was born very premature.

    There are certainly indications that the Heath women have a spotty record when it comes to honesty about the paternity of their children.

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  15. Does the idiot posting as sarah2012 not realize that he/she is simply once again showing the world how immature and petty Sarah's supporters are? Time to block the guy's IP, Gryphen. He's not contributing to an intelligent discussion, only being deliberately annoying and disruptive.

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  16. Could Levi's waffling about the book have anything to do with the Christmas greetings the Palins sent out, naming Tripp as one of them instead of as a Johnston? In other words, Sarah Palin figuratively thumbing her nose at Levi and the Johnstons?

    (another mean-girl trick -- you come to EXPECT these from Palin)

    The whole "will you let me adopt the baby" thing just doesn't ring true describing Tripp (the 2nd baby).

    Bristol ALREADY disappeared for a certain period of time in 2007-early 2008, due allegedly to a very long, months-long bout with mononucleosis -- from which she apparently rebounded to look hale and healthy in the spring of 2008.

    So, was her mother going to have her disappear AGAIN in the summer, fall, and early winter of 2008, if the adoption proposal was for Tripp-the-second-baby?

    As it was, Bristol was "showing" at the first of September 2008, so she would have been out of circulation more than a year, in two many-months-long periods.

    Nah, it doesn't sound logical, even though we're talking about the Palins, who don't seem to do anything like other families do (like freely substitute cousins for the two daughters, substitute old pictures for new with dates that couldn't possibly be accurate).

    I think Levi has been talking about Trig this whole time, no matter what he's been calling him. As Ivyfree says, "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig".

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  17. Anonymous11:25 AM

    I think Bristol was pregnant in 2007 (with Trig or some other baby?) and that was the baby SP wanted to claim as her own. The baby was born in Dec 2007 or Jan 2008, so a cover-up by SP would not have posed a conflict in regard to her running for Vice-President. So Levi was not lying, but was not referring to the BKAT (baby known as Tripp).

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  18. Deb in WI11:25 AM

    Great article from Andrew!

    So Levi doesn't want to spill the beans because it would hurt Bristol's family. And I don't think he wants to hurt Bristol, which is cool of him. If it's just a dark family secret, then I don't care much about that.

    But if Sarah did some things illegal, whatever they are, then someone needs to come forward or they are also doing something illegal by keeping quiet.

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  19. crystalwolf aka caligrl11:26 AM

    Gryphen, the troll(s) want to censor and disrupt free speech! Don't give in! Also..too, I do think it time to report this one to the Authorities....Secret Service might in interested in a person who calls the President a "Kenyan Socialist" just sayin'...
    Anyway,
    You post about what Levi said in VF has always interested me! I think TriG was Tripp and the queen did harass Levi & Bristol to adopt him (and she would fake preg) They probably were against it until it was shown Tripp (T1) had DS then she just went ahead with her plan b/c she knew they would not be able to get the medical care T1 needed so then he b/c "TriG" (TRIomy-G)always to remind Levi and Bristol of the "retarded" one, so then the queen announces her pregnancy.(the day after the announcement, knowing that T1 has DS and this will be just the right prop for her RTL base) Remember when Levi had that sonogram of Tripp in his truck?
    So I think Bristol had T1 way before 4/18 and the wild ride was his "coming home" and Bristol heartbroken at the baby took away from her, Does a F-U to Sarah and gets preg again with T2(Tripp).
    Remember Bristol said in the GVS interview telling her mom she was pregnant "was harder than Labor" Just how would she know that? If she hadn't already had another? I don't think it was a slip of the tongue or Levi's VF interview either! It all fits, if you think about what a sicko the quitter queen is!
    I also believe Bristol was not as pregnant as they said, and she was padded...at any rate T2 was not born on 12/27/08 but prob. late Jan 09, first of Feb 09.
    I hope Levi if he reads this blog, it is a matter of national security that the truth comes out about HER, and the IRS, FBI and even SS should question him to get to the bottom of all her stories and what she did or didn't do during her gov.
    If she took this baby from Levi & Bristol (I think she did...JMO)
    And now is using him as a RTL prop...! Words...fail me!!!!

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  20. Anonymous11:29 AM

    But, wait... who says anything about faking a pregnancy, which it seems you are basing your analysis on. Since when does "let me adopt him" equal "fake a pregnancy"?

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  21. Anonymous11:41 AM

    anon 11:29 -
    point well taken. But if Levi is talking about baby #2, how could SP possibly explain adopting another baby with a special needs baby already at home, all while running for VP?

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  22. what needs to be reported to the FBI is the sea of peee posts that threaten the banned bloggers with bodily harm. I am printing the screens out...

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  23. this is dangerous stuff:

    http://js-kit.com/api/static/pop_comments?ref=http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/12/disturbed-losers-banned-for-good-reason.html&title=Conservatives4Palin.com:%20Disturbed%20Losers%20Banned%20for%20Good%20Reason&path=/6924968983368411995&standalone=no&scoring=yes&backwards=no&sort=date&thread=yes&permalink=http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/12/disturbed-losers-banned-for-good-reason.html&skin=echo&smiles=no&editable=no&thread-title=Echo&popup-title=Echo&page-title=Conservatives4Palin.com:%20Disturbed%20Losers%20Banned%20for%20Good%20Reason

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  24. Anonymous11:44 AM

    REgarding the troll, I agree with the suggestion that this should be reported to the Secret Service, as this person is obviously unbalanced.

    Re the Levi book-or-no-book, Levi himself said he had a book coming out. I agree with your assessment, Gryphen, that if he only tells part of what he knows and leaves the most important items untouched, then he will lose his most important asset -- his credibility.

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  25. I suppose she could have adopted Tripp without faking being pregnant with him. Adopting him, considering the recent arrival of a special needs baby, would have raised questions. It can't be easy caring for two babies. Of course, a Supermom award is a lot easier to get if you've got several readymade caretakers close by. An adoption of Tripp would have also raised covering-for-Bristol rumors. I would like to know if all the dates we have from SP, from Levi's VF article, etc, are accurate.

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  26. Anonymous12:02 PM

    Honestly, I think the ultimate answer is that she never really thought it through well AND probably didn't expect to actually received the VP offer. So maybe she just thought she'd explain away the adoption with some kind of rescue/sob story that would never really be scrutinized. I don't think even SP would attempt this if she believed she'd be getting the VP nod.

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  27. Anonymous12:14 PM

    I'm trying to figure out Levi's quote, because it could apply to either Trig or Tripp.

    The problem is that gossip was supposed to be in the air that Bristol was pregnant, and the gossip coincided with a time when Bristol would have been pregnant with Trig.

    My Space (or Face Book) posts that were captured around that time caught Bristol writing about a party life style. Bristol worried that her mother suspected that she (Bristol) might be pregnant.

    Another line of thinking has to do with why Sarah would want to adopt either Trig or Tripp. The timing is all wrong if she was talking about Tripp. She had to take into account the fact that if she and McCain were elected, there would be considerable attention paid to the first female vice president.

    The media would want to know who the mother was, and why Sarah would take on the responsibility of yet another baby so quickly after giving birth to a DS child (who would have been barely 8 months old). It would have involved keeping Bristol and Levi quiet and hidden out of the way so, according to Levi, "she didn't want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid."

    The reason to adopt Trig is easier to believe. If they knew ahead of time about DS, Sarah and Todd could offer better care than two unwed teens could. If there was no knowledge of the birth defect, it was in Sarah's interest to keep Bristol's pregnancy quiet while she (Sarah) was on the VP short list.

    Anyone in the process of making a major decision might draw up a list of pro's and con's. Let's assume it's Trig that Sarah is talking about. Pro's include showing family values, appealing to the religious right (she didn't even consider an abortion, what a gal!). If they knew about DS in advance, it was to give Trig better medical care. We have come to see what a great little prop Trig turned out to be. And, she couldn't have a pregnant, unwed teen daughter in the background if she was serious about being considered for VP.

    The negatives included keeping Bristol out of sight. Surprise, Bristol went to Anchorage. Despite "carrying large" in previous pregnancies, Sarah was skillful at manipulating both the press and people in Alaska. They would believe her; she had an approval rating in the 80's. And, when she looked at herself in the mirror in a black outfit and distracting scarf, she almost believed that she could pull off a "pregnancy," rather than try to explain a complicated "Todd and I decided to adopt this baby."

    (It is also quite an unusual coincidence that pictures of the much-photographed Sarah from early 2008 were scrubbed from government and newspaper websites).

    If Sarah did not pretend to be pregnant, and just announced an adoption, that nosy media would want to know why, where the kid came from, why Sarah would take on a disabled child with her obligations to Alaska. In the long run, it was easier to pretend a pregnancy (which no one would question) compared to having to explain an adoption.

    Once Gryphen gave us a great clue when he hinted that Trig was Tripp before he was Trig. He suggested that neither Sarah nor Bristol gave birth to the DS child called Trig. On another blog, people made guesses involving a three-baby scenario, where Sarah had gone into "pregnancy mode," covering for Bristol. Then, something happened to Bristol's baby. The only child who was available for adoption was...you can finish the story. At this point, it is all conjecture unless Gryphen drops some more of his famous breadcrumbs.

    (What a coincidence that Sarah's church, which specializes in adoptions had records destroyed in a fire last year).

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  28. John Connor12:15 PM

    Time to go back into moderation, Gryphen. Your comments section is deluged.

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  29. crystalwolf aka caligrl12:17 PM

    SJK- here is from the ocean of piss and I agree they are dangerous, Gryphen with idiots like these around maybe it was a good thing you got banned? These people are looney and I'm including this in case you take it to court, lawyers can know just what kind of violence this bitch stirs up! from sea of piss...
    *****
    William Henley
    Sandra, you are lying out your a**. I was at the Wasilla book-signing. As a matter of fact I was there at 10 p.m. the night before and was in line at 05:30. I was one of two people who sat out there all night. The second person (Amy) got there at midnight. I was there through-out and not a single protester with signs showed up at anytime. No single person was there handing out oblabla/hitler pictures. You are nothing more than a lying bi**h and need to go to one of the sights that care for what you are lying about. Just as one of the security heads told me, if anyone started trouble they probably would not have survived. I and many others at the signing were carrying our sidearms. Mine happens to be a police special 357 mag. and I know how to use it and rather enjoy using it for the right reasons, i.e. protecting Sarah Palin and family.

    For the rest of C4P, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. May God Bless each and every C4Per and protect all you guys and gals in the coming year and most of all, Lord, Please do the same for Sarah, Family and Friends.
    2 days ago, 3:08:57 PM
    ******
    Also Gryphen the blogger "Allie" from ocean of urine *shock* is very obsessed with this site and blabs about everything you write at the ocean....!
    Greedy Grifter Queen of The TEAGBAGGERS incites violence, imprecatory prayers (yeah over there)
    She really is dangerous and FBI, IRS, SS and anyone who knows the truth should spill it about her. She is a danger to this country and our President.

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  30. Anonymous12:17 PM

    Please turn this sick person in to the FBI and SS, Gryphen.

    This isn't normal behavior. The security of our nation rests upon us, as frankly, the right was full of glee last night when they thought we had been hit. It was sickening.

    As we know, DHS warns us all about right wing radicals being the domestic terrorist threat we need to watch out for. The above poster is a prime example of the sorts of beliefs these dangerous people have.

    Thank you.

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  31. kdusmdd12:21 PM

    Does all this mean that we're gonna have to wait longer and longer for the truth to come out???
    Grypen, Please come forward with the information that you and your resource have....Please

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  32. Anonymous12:22 PM

    I'm still caught up in Gryphen's cryptic "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig."

    Tripp is a name that Levi liked because it seems have something to do with hockey equipment. Trig is a name that is supposed to come from Todd's family. The renaming has to do with who's yer daddy.

    I agree with the others who suggest reporting terrorist activity to the secret service. Orly Taitz was admonished by the court to stop her baseless claims. When she persisted, she was fined $20,000.

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  33. Anonymous12:26 PM

    wow! It really works! All you need to do if you see a name that indicates a post you won't want to read is click once right after "said..." and it collapses completely. This handy dandy trick completely does away with the attempted hijacking of a blog by taking huge amounts of space. I recommend it highly and am most appreciative to the source of the tip.

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  34. caligirl, that is THE page I have screen printed!

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  35. So many good questions, but let's remember the bedrock truths we have:

    --SP is a liar, so no need to believe any info from her re birth dates.

    --SP clearly was not pregnant just before Trig was presented to the world on Apr 18.

    --Trig was said to be 1 mo premature, but he did not look premature on his stated birthday of Apr 18. And we have the Mercede
    +Levi+TriggyBear photos of a baby who looks younger than Trig on his stated birthday.

    --SP had a flat profile both before AND AFTER the giant-size Gusty photo, so we know she was wearing a fake belly in that photo.

    Andrew Sullivan's article is wonderful but he makes an error in saying that ". . . Bristol simply could not have chronologically given birth to . . ." Trig. He makes this error because he is assuming the birthdates handed out by SP are true rather than basing his thinking on the few things we see with our own eyes to be true (listed above).

    But Andrew also says: "Palin might well be the biggest fraud of all, perpetrating a hoax so massive no one can quite see it." Yes! Bingo! GO ANDREW! You are sooooo close.

    C'mon guys: don't make Levi do all the heavy lifting. He might want to tell all, and he might not want to. But do we really have to make a teenager do all our work for us?
    Is there no one else who can take the responsibility? Talk about "emperor's new clothes"!!

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  36. Thx anon 12:26pm. Whew! great tip.

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  37. .357's? YES! Bloggers? NO! So much for 'security'. sea of pee is awash in pretend protectors with itchy trigger fingers. I bet he has one of those cars with a big antennae, a search light, and a police scanner radio.

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  38. It is interesting that Sullivan said "Gryphen casts doubt on Levi Johnston's claim that Sarah Palin nagged him and Bristol to allow the governor to fake a pregnancy for Tripp as way to keep the baby and save her daughter's reputation. But how, Gryphen asks, could that be possible given the timeline of both Trig's and Tripp's births? Good question - and the first real dent in Johnston's credibility."

    I have a number of questions about Sullivan's thinking here:

    1) Like others have been saying, I am not sure that Levi Johnston claimed that Sarah specifically wanted to fake a pregnancy, but rather that she wanted to adopt Tripp. Either way, adoption versus Sarah pregnancy faking, if Bristol was pregnant, she would have to be kept out of sight for the successful "saving of reputation".

    2) I agree, the birth's timeline is a problem if one believes Bristol x 2 AND that the babies were born on the stated dates. But Gryphen has repeatedly hinted about the dates being wrong. AND many of us who discuss the Trig pregnancy think that the dates ARE wrong on it. Now, Levi did say however, that he was at the hospital that day, April 18, that Trig was supposedly born. But was he talking in code? Or is it a lie? The wording seemed extremely careful, to where I think it could have implied a "handoff" rather than an actual physical birth.

    3)We did not see Tripp until early Feb, despite his supposedly being born in late December. I can't remember where, but I am pretty sure that Levi has confirmed this date. But many of us have doubts, and think he could have been born later, making it possible for Bristol to be mother of both Trig and Tripp, but Gryphen I believe has ruled out Sarah AND Bristol as Trig's mother???

    4) I am not exactly sure what Sullivan is really concluding in his newest post that I quoted above. Is he trying to call attention that he DOES feel the dates are wrong, and since Levi has confirmed them, then that particular bit of info is what casts the doubt on Levi's credibility? Or is he assuming that Levi was calling for the governor to fake the pregnancy (when it may be he mentioned only adopting, not faking), and for that reason he thinks that Levi is not completely truth telling.

    Or is Sullivan hinting that he thinks overall that Levi is the truthful one, and that he does know "secrets" about Palin, but that he, Sullivan, also thinks that Levi is not going to be completely honest about the Trig/Tripp thing, for whatever reason, perhaps to protect Bristol and/or Sarah on that particular issue? But he'd be willing to spill on other things?
    (cont. below)

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  39. (cont from above)
    5) Didn't Sullivan talk to Levi in the Green Room before or after they appeared on the Joy Behar show? And wasn't Sullivan going to interview Levi? I wonder if Rex/Tank shut that down so as to have whatever Levi might say kept for the book.

    6) I agree with Gryphen: if Levi tells the truth regarding the general dirt on what a phony Sarah is, but keeps silent on what he knows about Trig/Tripp, it is going to completely destroy his credibility with nearly everybody. I can see that he might want to protect Bristol, but he has to understand that he can't just not talk about the mysterious baby parts of the story. Even if he has parsed his words so that he hasn't lied, perhaps because of the "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig" thing, he MUST explain that if he's going to tell his story. And maybe the confusing things he has said with regard to the timeline ARE true because "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig", but if he's going to come out with a book, he has to be willing to explain about the babies and how the dates are made sense of. People will consider it if a lie of ommission, even if every other thing he says about Sarah is true and can be backed up (I suspect he has hard copy of at least some very interesting items, be it email, journals, photos, etc).

    So PLEASE, Levi, if you are reading this, know that you must tell it all! And I have been on the side of Team Levi for a while, but I am now starting to worry that you are going to hurt your reputation if you are TOO much "Mr. Nice Guy" about protecting Bristol and her mom. You can't have it both ways. And remember, the truth will come out eventually anyway. I would say, the sooner, the better. The little boys will be better off growing up having known the truth and known they are loved, rather than let them find out later in life, likely from someone who would tell them out of spite.

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  40. Levi is implying he knows things "that can, that will take her down"...I dont think he has to do a thing. If he knows of a crime, then Rex Butler knows and as an officer of the court he must inform the authorities. (if they didnt already know)...Time aint on her side.

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  41. Snowing in Alaska12:53 PM

    To the posting guy at the signing with the .357 and the bully threat - you don't really want to go down this road with Alaskans! You know exactly what I mean. And I know you know. 'Nuff said.

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  42. Deb in WI12:58 PM

    OMG. I read the posts over there about the book signing event, and they think it is all fake -- especially the LeRouche/Hitler/Obama guy at the event -- guess what? Google the event, it isn't hard, and you will find a ton of photos from the event and that guy -- even from conservative blogs! I saw a ton!

    Here's one blog from an actual Wasilla resident who went and his photos:
    http://wasillaalaskaby300.squarespace.com/

    tab down to the day of the event. He has photos, too. There's even photos of the police.

    And also, I never once heard anyone talking about any protest or any violence or anything on this site EVER for this event or any other event. In fact, Gryphen puts an end to any sort of talk that slants that way. He's a peacekeeper, he's never made threats.

    Sorry for my errors, too mad to proof. Those people are really lost, aren't they? Do your own research, trolls. Gryphen is sweet. Sarah just doesn't like him.

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  43. This might also be a good time to remind people about that strange bill that allowed people in Alaska to get birth certificates for their stillborn babies. I will have to go back and get the details, but the bill was first introduce in the leg. in 2007, and then it was signed into law in 2009, having been held in committee in part because there was a desire to make the bill retroactive, so that people could get birth certificates for their stillbirth babies even if the birth occurred before the bill was signed.

    An interesting thing: a birth certificate for a fetus born dead. With the name, date, hospital, ec. Then presumably a SEPARATE death certificate is issued for the stillborn child.

    Think about how this could be used if someone had a stillbirth, and then later adopted a baby born around the same time. One could show around the birth certificate of the stillborn child instead of the birth certificate of the adopted child. It's a thought... I had intended to go read the bill to see the exact details. I don't know if they fit with this scenario or not, but when considering that perhaps Bristol LOST a baby, and then got pregnant again, and in the meantime Sarah adopts a baby with DS from somewhere, when and from whom known only through church records that are now possibly destroyed in a church fire. A fire that the church family seemed surprisingly quiet about, until now when the Sea of Pee suddenly starts accusing AK bloggers of setting it. Yeah right. If I ever heard of a fire that sounded like an inside job it is that church fire...

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  44. PS. I have to go do some errands so it'll be a little while before I can go check on the birth certificate bill. But I know some others on here are aware of it, so please chime in with the details or links if you have them :-) Otherwise, I will be back later and hope to have the links for people then.

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  45. crystalwolf aka caligrl1:05 PM

    Snowing in Alaska, that was a post from a pro-palin site, I re-posted here (SJK had given the link) so that Gryphen could get a sense of what kind of Danger he really was in from Palin and her crazy assed followers and he can choose to do what he will with this info. Also I think our loudmouth troll is coming from there also. We just call it the ocean (of piss) b/c that's pretty much what comes from there "pisshead's"!
    As far as Levi, SJK, I hope Rex does know and has turned any illegal info over...The fraud of baby TriG was a fraud perpetuated on the US from a person running for VP!!!
    And now this same person is inciting her loonytoon followers/TEABAGGERS into violence carrying weapons "to protect" her and uttering imprecatory prayers!!!
    WTF is wrong with this country?

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  46. Snowing in AK,

    No, we dont know what you mean. Please elaborate for those of us that are not enlightened.

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  47. caligirl, Rex HAS to divulge any knowledge of crimes his client may know of.

    ;-)

    As for that .357 guy, he is an online bully who probably would "peee" himself if he ever had to draw his hand canon. He says he likes to shoot things. I say open mouth, insert gun, and have fun! JUST KIDDING!!!!

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  48. watch out for the Suicide Bloggers and the Falafel Lady. Coming to an event near YOU!

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  49. crystalwolf aka caligrl1:44 PM

    Deb in Wi: thanks for posting the link to the blog...there is photo evidence of exactly who was there. I liked that blog too. I wonder if he knows what happened to Gryphen & Dennis since he is also a photojournalist?
    It so obvious how dangerous Madam Teabagger's followers are, and what about all the petitions and such that were being signed there??
    Gryphen I hope you check out that link to see just who and what was there....! Oh and I loved this part....
    I liked this part where when he meet the Queen TEABAG she asked him what a Kivgig is (on his hat)
    "Any governor of Alaska should know what Kivgiq is."

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  50. Anonymous1:47 PM

    Ooooooh thanks for the tip about clicking "said" after the posters name to make their comments (or empty space) collapse. GREAT TIP!!! Poor little troll.

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  51. crystalwolf aka caligrl1:53 PM

    SJK and others...did you know we can "Flag" posts at the ocean????
    They have gotten "Bolder" since they implemented Echo to keep out "trolls" but we can still flag their comments....just sayin'....?

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  52. Crystalwolf, re: "Remember Bristol said in the GVS interview telling her mom she was pregnant "was harder than Labor" Just how would she know that? If she hadn't already had another?"...

    I thought Bristol said that in February 2009, (allegedly) 2 months after she'd gone into labor with Tripp, not when she and her friend (or was it Levi? ...there's 2 different stories there, too) told Sarah Palin about the pregnancy.

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  53. caligirl, I am posting there now as a guest. flagging will just let the admin know a "troll" is there. The FBI needs to see the threats.

    G-man, talk to your legal counsel, please.

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  54. Anonymous2:00 PM

    You have so many good topics going, I hate to be OT. I was looking through the TV Guide to see what's on tonight, and I came across the name of a cartoon about a high school. All of the teachers are real characters.

    The name of the program is, "Sit Down, Shut Up." The only reason that show caught my eye is because Sarah is fond of using that same expression, saying that no one is going to tell her to shut up and sit down (or is it sit down and shut up?)

    The only other website that came up as "Sit down, Shut up," is a Buddhist website.

    The alternative "Shut up and sit down" produced an op-ed piece from Huffington Post, dated June 1, 2009, written by Susan Madrak.

    Her piece was written in reaction to the Tiller murder, and she addresses anyone is is one of the anti-choice, anti-woman, crazies of the conservative movement.

    Sarah has used that expression recently, saying more than once, "I won't be told to shut up and sit down." (If that message is directed to her).

    Come to think of it, it is worth reading again, because Madrak speaks out against people who foment violence for political or religious reasons. That is, after all, what we have been talking about. Take a look for yourself.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-madrak/shut-up-and-sit-down_b_209777.html

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  55. I think we should forget about what Levi has. His primary loyalty should be to his family (whoever that includes).

    We are being diverted from what counts -- who and why is handling SP.

    I was the Sandra in the encounter with William Henley on the C4P site. We have had encounters before. He could not handle the idea that something happened at the book signing that he didn't know about. He probably was packing, and that's a reflection of the lack of real security in the event.

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  56. Anonymous2:02 PM

    I think Trig was an arranged adoption from a right-wing foundling organization. His having Down Syndrome was just too perfect a piece of religious/political luck for Sarah Palin (or even her daughter) to have come by naturally while Palin was being actively groomed for the Republican ticket.

    It is striking that Palin's "giving birth" to Trig was cited repeatedly during the campaign by right wing pundits as the central fact of Palin's life and the most important reason to support her.

    It is also important to remember that the previous summer (and even earlier) members of neo- and theo- con establishments had been meeting and planning with Sarah about her eventual place on a GOP pesidential lineup. These were people like Dick Morris, Bill Kristol, and Franklin Graham. Jane Meyer's piece about this in The New Yorker provides critical perspective.

    The neo-theocons knew that the only way to make McCain palatable to the religious base (should he win the nomination) was with someone like Palin on the ticket. Thus Palin's politically expedient pregnancy was announced the day (or day after) McCain clinched the nomination.

    McCain wanted to run with Lieberman, but he was pretty well compromised already by the neo-theo con leaders, and he had to bow to political reality.
    (To see how he might have been compromised, just do a search using one of Trig's middle names -- "Paxson" with that of John McCain.)

    Bristol and Levi may have been involved here somehow, but the Down Syndrome thing just seems too convenient to have happened either to Sarah or Bristol by chance.

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  57. crystalwolf aka caligrl2:05 PM

    Kajo, she did say it after she had T2 but my impression was that she told her during the summer (08)and it was "harder than labor" which at that time...she would not have been experienced in...That's my take on it....
    maybe she was saying after the fact?
    I remember when it came up at the time there was much discussion and it was like, why did she say that if she hadn't been in labor before? When all of them, the lies are prolific! Its hard to keep track of them all..

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  58. Anonymous2:05 PM

    Maybe it is time for people to start lecturing the conservative crazies. I do not recall that Jesus taught striking back, getting even, spreading lies, saying hurtful things, rallying people to violence. I thought the the advice was to turn the other cheek.

    If Sarah really wants to observe the Reason for the Season, she should start preaching to her fans about the True Message of Love Thy Neighbor, and doing unto others as you want them to do unto you. She seems to have forgotten more than just science, economics and journalism along the way.

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  59. crystalwolf aka caligrl2:09 PM

    OK...SJK got it :)

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  60. Snowing in Alaska2:14 PM

    @ crystalwolf aka caligrl

    Yep, I know all of that, thanks! I've been right here with the rest of you through the whole sordid year of Sarah the twit.

    My post was more for reassurance to non Alaskan residents who are worried about these sort of threats. Outsiders might consider this really scary, but that dude who posted his threat knows that starting something like that in state would result in something way over his head, and he knows it!

    I'm not going to threaten back, or tell him (or the the blog) how many firearms we also own and are proficient with. Most Alaskans do, and are. That's why we laugh our butts off about Sarah's fairy tale about shooting a gun and field dressing game. Most of us do it, but for the rest of us it's not a story but a way of life.

    The bully dude is trying to scare outsiders - so just don't fall for it. He's full of crap and he knows it. That's the sign of a true patheticon, especially Sarah's gang of 'em.

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  61. Snowing, Thanks! I'm sure he is just one of many AK'ers that carry. Just like here in FL.

    He just doesnt think any progressive/liberal types might be exercising amendment #2, also too. (Not so subtle hint...)

    Careful with that axe, Eugene! as Pink Floyd once said.

    The funniest gun/sarah thing is the pic of her holding a training gun, with a wire attached, and she isnt even close to a proper mount.

    Right tawd?

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  62. You know Spider2012, you're a fuckin' mumbling stuttering little fuck. You know that?

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  63. Anonymous2:33 PM

    Trig was Trip before he was Tripp

    SP tells world she is fake prego to cover for BP imminent baby who has not agreed to let her adopt. Trip did not survive. Scramble for Trig, 30 day prego. Downs the only short notice baby available. Bristol get prego again, National Enq threatens public story to MCcain camp, so form fitting dress and padded bra at Convention. McCain story is she is very pregnant, look at her! Fire out! Lay off the kids! Tripp arrives in Feb 09

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  64. crystalwolf aka caligrl2:34 PM

    Snowing in Alaska...I like that...
    "That's the sign of a true patheticon, especially Sarah's gang of 'em."
    "Patheticon" I will have to remember that one.... :)

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  65. emrysa2:36 PM

    gryphen sez:

    "I believe the story is actually more complicated than that."

    what do you believe the story is gryphen?

    I think levi is talking about the first baby when he talks of the adoption. it makes no sense that she would be talking about adopting her daughter's kid when she has a brand new baby at home. I think brisol finally gave in and told sarah she could take him, but that sarah made her tell levi that the kid died shortly after he was born. that way, levi is out of the picture and doesn't have to know a thing.

    there is only one thing I know for sure about any of this - sarah did not give birth to trig on april 18, 2008. if she did, the photos of a "pregnant" governor would never have been scrubbed from the state of alaska website.

    seriously, how does the state website have PDF files of the governors newsletter where the pics of the GOVERNOR are gone but the pics of everyone else remain? BULLSHIT! only your stupid bots are fooled, sarah. shit like that doesn't happen unless someone wants it to.

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  66. John Connor2:55 PM

    I doubt Levi is going to reveal anything big. I speak as a skeptic, but right now there are a lot of people who look at him with a credibility problem. Not everyone, but some, and it should be kept in mind.

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  67. Anonymous2:58 PM

    Someone wrote the cryptic comment some time ago here at IM, "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig."

    It was Gryphen who replied in the comments section, words to the effect that was the closest that anyone came to the truth.

    We all took the comment and ran with it. It may be the closest to what Gryphen believes is the truth-- or does he know for sure?

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  68. emrysa3:00 PM

    some people think that something happened to brisols first baby, but that sarah had already started the fake pregnancy so she had to follow thru and she could only get a ds baby to adopt.

    I don't think that's true.

    I think that if something really did happen to bristols first baby, sarah would have breathed a huge sigh of relief that she wasn't going to have another dependent. she already had 2 "miscarriages," right? so what's another? no need to keep playing along if there's no pregnant daughter to hide.

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  69. Anonymous3:07 PM

    William Henley, at the pee site is a dangerous man IMO. He is always being a smart ass and bringing up guns and bordering on making threats, he thinks he's tough and this talk make him a he man.

    I also think it should be reported, better safe than sorry.

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  70. Deb in WI3:13 PM

    I agree, Crystalwolf, when you said "I liked this part where when he meet the Queen TEABAG she asked him what a Kivgig is (on his hat)
    "Any governor of Alaska should know what Kivgiq is."

    I also thought that part was interesting. I'm not from Alaska and I did not know what it was, either. Perhaps the other commenters from Alaska can chime in on Sarah not knowing what Kivgiq was a few days ago.

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  71. Anonymous3:29 PM

    Frankly, I don't believe we will ever know the true and whole story, because nobody is willing to stp up to the plate....Kinda reminds me of the Bush years.

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  72. Anonymous3:39 PM

    I just can't believe Trig was a random special-needs-child adoption. That child looks too much like the Palins, and/or Levi Johnston, to not have some biological connection to them. What are the odds that they would just happen to find an infant who would grow into the toddler we see today? This toddler who looks absolutely like a member of that family? They couldn't possibly have screened or profiled the birth parents to the extent that they could accurately predict what Trig would look like ultimately. This is one situation where the circumstantial evidence is the most compelling. It is not a coincidence that Trig looks like Levi. He is either Levi's son, or his brother. That's just my gut instinct, however. The fact that Trig turned out to have Down Syndrome was something that simply worked to Palin's sick, cynical advantage. I believe James Dobson himself reinforced the political positives for her, in a letter (while believing Trig to be hers, it should be noted). Can't remember the exact details.

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  73. Anonymous3:40 PM

    I recall that roughly the day after the church fire, Sarah publicly apologized saying something to the effect that she was sorry if her running for VP had caused this fire.

    How should that be interpreted?

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  74. Anonymous3:42 PM

    @emrysa: I think that the problem for Sarah was that she announced her "pregnancy" when she was supposed to be seven months along. People were shocked; they couldn't believe how she looked! She didn't show; she hadn't even told her own mother.

    Sarah is supposed to have had her two miscarriages early in each pregnancy, first three months. To miscarry at seven months, after her big announcement would be much more difficult- major fall down a flight of stairs difficult. Even at seven months, a fetus has a good chance of survival.

    I think that Sarah loved the attention, and she was getting great feed back from the conservatives. They probably loved the fact that Sarah was "chosing to keep the baby." Her only choice was to continue to "pregnancy" and enjoy the the attention, or have a "miscarriage" and lose the attention. No choice at all.

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  75. If Trig was Tripp before he was Trig then does Levi really want to have access to Trig and not Tripp?

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  76. Armchair Jane:
    I'm pretty sure the certificate you get when a baby is stillborn will say: Certtificate of Stillbirth, not Certificate of Live Brith. It would be hard to pass that off for a live adopted child. (But she has friends inb high places that could give her a live birth cert for the stillbirth).

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  77. Anonymous3:58 PM

    Trig was Tripp....was my summation of Rationalist's analysis

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  78. Anonymous3:58 PM

    so tell us dear, Gryphen...
    Snoopin' minds like mind truly wanna know

    If Levi spills NO beans.. will you?
    Are you that secure? Pahleeez say yes
    I was truly hoping the bomb would drop sometime early 2010..spring time, perhaps
    That YOU were waiting on Levi's BOOK tell All
    Now that it sounds iffy jiffy

    my hopes are lowering..

    I am so curious, on a different note, why her ethics complaints failed to stick
    They just ruled.. NO CAUSE Seen
    Or whatever legal mumbo jumbo
    But..
    Couldn't they of listed WHY they found no fault

    'Specially the deal on using the Gov Office for campaign dealings.. when this is the very thing she snubbed her competitor on (on top of making him produce some marriage certificate.. which was promptly presented.. how low can she go?)

    and yes
    If a creepy Troll brain dead person starts some funky rant...
    To the LEFT of their name (that orange icon thingy) .. just click it.. promptly hides them :D

    Perhaps at the top of your postings you can put this little note
    Hey btw when viewing comments.. should you find some outta control person on a rant.. simply push the "orange" icon

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  79. Anonymous3:59 PM

    The "Trigg was Tripp..." comment came from a visitor to this site who was trying to make sense of it all. I believe it was prefaced with "Maybe Trigg was Tripp...."

    Also, whether Sarah faked a pregnancy or just "adopted" Tripp, Bristol would have had to be hidden to hide her pregnancy.

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  80. Gryphen,
    I agree its about time to call the secret service on Sarahin2012/ aka Allie on C4P. Believe me (I turned someone else in for making weird threats about the President) and they took it very seriously. Those two names and a few of her hateful posts are all they need to track her down. She is supposbly a college student and it will wreck her life, but she is an adult and will have to take personal responsibility for her actions.

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  81. Anonymous4:14 PM

    Anon@3:29 I tend to agree that the truth about Sarah Palin may never come out because people are not willing to "step up to the plate." But they should be given some slack, right now at least. They live in a small town and they might suffer severe consequences. The Palins and Heaths wield considerable power in the area--bloggers, media people, politicians, and SP's own book have made that point quite clear.

    As one who also lives in a small, incestuous town (incestuous both figuratively and literally), I understand the reluctance to come forward: Taking a risk in the name of justice and truth might be seem heroic today, but tomorrow it could mean personal disaster-- particularly if one has no recourse but to remain in the community. That's why it's so important for the media to do their job and unearth the facts about a dangerous person who will not cease and desist from repeatedly intruding herself into the center of the political discourse in our country.

    I know, this isn't a new concept. Yet it's worth reiterating again...and again and again if necessary.

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  82. Given the comment about Trig/Tripp and, if I remember correctly, Levi said Trig was neither his nor Bristol's, and the comment about Levi preferring Tripp for family reasons, I'll place my bet that Trig is Levi's brother.

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  83. crystalwolf aka caligrl7:00 PM

    Ok...OMFG!!! This just came to me after reading at the sea!!!!
    TriG is TOMMY!!!

    Did you ever see the faces of the children
    They get so excited.
    Waking up on christmas morning
    Hours before the winter suns ignited.

    Ann Margaret plays a SP even wears red!!!
    They believe in dreams and all they mean
    Including heavens generosity.
    Peeping round the door
    To see what parcels are for free
    In curiosity.

    And Tommy doesn't know what day it is.
    He doesn't know who Jesus was or what praying is.
    How can he be saved?
    From the eternal grave.

    Surrounded by his friends he sits so silently,
    And unaware of everything.
    Playing poxy pin ball
    Picks his nose and smiles and
    Pokes his tongue at everything.
    I believe in love
    But how can men who've never seen
    Light be enlightened.
    Only if he's cured
    Will his spirits future level ever heighten.

    And Tommy doesn't know what day it is.
    He doesn't know who Jesus was or what praying is.
    How can he be saved?
    From the eternal grave.

    Tommy can you hear me?
    Tommy can you hear me?
    Tommy can you hear me?
    Tommy can you hear me?
    Tommy can you hear me?
    Can you hear me?
    How can he be saved?

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  84. I have always felt that it was unrealistic to expect Levi to tell all that he knows. His needs and goals would dictate otherwise. HOWEVER, I believe that there are a few folks out there who know the truth about the faked pregnancy, who want to reveal what they know, but are afraid to do so. I hope that these folks can send info, photos, other evidence, anonymously to Griphen or AKM-Mudflats or Palingates. In fact, keep it coming. Eventually, together, we will prevail.

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  85. I think I hear Sarah's lying voice when she speaks of 'impossibility' in the Chris Cillizza interview. Imagine that!

    The questions raised by the post have me too frustrated to comment. Isn't it more likely that, once her lies are completely exposed, Sarah will be rendered powerless? Doesn't holding a secret pose a bigger risk? How about a gathering of secret-keepers for a press conference?

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  86. The offer to adopt really makes sense only for the Trig pregnancy.

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  87. Anonymous8:59 PM

    My scenario is that when Palin was in her secret meetings with Republicans in 2007, one of them said "it would be perfect if one of your children had down's syndrome," or some such pro-life cred.

    this put it in Scarah's head and then when her daughter got pregnant, she stated thinking. She thought super hard until McCain got tapped. Then she ran full tilt ahead but maybe didn't even have a baby lined up (since Bristol and Levi refused). Her prop baby came early, so she made up a story that gave her time to be a mommy for the cameras and still not be toting a 1 month old baby on the campaign trail.

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  88. @comeonpeople, and everyone else,
    I did look into the records of the legislation about the bill sponsored by Rep Carl Gatto regarding stillbirth birth certificates, including an example of what one of the certificates would look like. What I had been wondering was whether the birth certificate would generally look like a standard birth certificate, with only a smaller font addition that the birth was a stillbirth, for example. As it turns out, the certificate does state very plainly that it is "Certificate of Birth Resulting in Stillbirth".

    The documents for the bill, including a sample document, can be viewed here:
    http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_documents.asp?session=26&bill=HB2
    The bill was apparently signed on approx 5/1/09, to go into effect July 30, 2009.

    This was the 26th Legislative Session that the bill was passed. But it was also brought up in the 25th Legislative Session, and that time did not pass. That bill was similar but had some differences, including that stillbirths older than 12 years were reported as "delayed request", and some other minor changes. One objection raised to the bill previously was the notion that it was a form of back door to increasing "personhood" of a fetus, but this was denied. In both versions, the one that did not pass, and the one that did, the fetus had to be at least 20 weeks gestation for the certificate to be issued.

    Details on the bill can be found by going to the web address I provided above: the bill itself, minutes, sample certificate, etc. But I have to say that I do not see how the document could be used successfully to switch identities or to get a new birth certificate. It's quite clearly marked as for a stillbirth. Having lost a child very shortly after birth, it is a very deep loss, and I think that would be true whether the child were stillborn, or lived briefly, as mine did. I can see why someone might feel a birth certificate for the stillborn child would help to honor the grief of the survivors. As for the possible political motives of the sponsors, I won't speak to that.

    For me, this research has debunked the idea that this kind of birth certificate could be used somehow regarding a fake identity with regard to adoptions.

    And on the topic of "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig", yes, I agree that Gryphen was not the one who said that the first time. Rather, it was said by a commenter and Gryphen said it was the closest anyone had come to the truth so far.

    Also, I appreciate the update that Andrew Sullivan misunderstood what Gryphen meant in his post. I am still not entirely sure that Sullivan is not just pretending to misunderstand, for the sake of drawing attention to things that most of the "regulars" have considered, but which Sullivan's readers may not be familiar with. I look forward to hearing if there is a reply from Sullivan.

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  89. Anonymous9:52 PM

    Gryphen had said that around Dec. 17th that he had (can't remember exact words, but) some "break through" news. Then he said that he had lost contact with his resource. Wonder if that person is still out of contact. Gryphen did not seem to be afraid to break the news abt Palin and "Babygate" at that time. If we will never be told, I would just like to know. Have always hated to be waiting and waiting for details and then keep being put off....just saying

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  90. Anonymous10:02 PM

    I'm the one who commented 'Trig was Tripp before he was Trig.'

    It was the only way to make sense of what Gryphen was saying. But with all involved -- Gryphen included -- not telling the whole truth as they know it, it's a bit of a dead end.

    Interesting, isn't it, that Levi's comments were allowed to grace the pages of Vanity Fair? Not a peep from the Palin camp about it, either. VF does fact-check its articles (or at least they used to because I have first-hand experience with it) and Mrs. Palin does have a history of getting her lawyer involved when people write things about her that she doesn't like.

    So why did she let this one go?

    I don't think Levi Johnston is telling the whole truth here -- if he is, it doesn't make much sense for the reasons Gryphen and others have pointed out. But there must be something buried in what he's saying that makes Mrs. Palin back away from the vehicle.

    Let's face it: Levi's claim -- that his potential future MIL wanted to adopt his baby despite being a sitting governor with a special-needs infant of her own -- is very unusual and quite shocking. That she had no response to that claim is very, very surprising. In other words, if Palin said 'That's not true', she'd be opening a family-size can of worms.

    And maybe she didn't want to have to explain this one to her lawyer Van Flein. The truth might be too unraveling of what's gone before. Or maybe she sensed VF wasn't up to battling with Conde Nast's legal department. Or she knew that the he-said-she-said of this could do some real damage to her.

    Gryphen, I really do enjoy your blog and not just for the Palin parts. A blog like yours, much like Andrew Sullivan's, builds a sense of community with your readers. Trust, honesty and reliability are important components of that nascent community and I think this is why a number of your readers are troubled by your reluctance to come clean on what you think you know about the mysterious origins of Trig and Tripp. A mutual search for truth is a good thing; a drawn-out tease not so much.

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  91. Anonymous10:05 PM

    There is the possibility that there is no connection between Levi and the Palins except he dated Bristol and was friendly with Track.

    When the RNC told Sarah her explanation (she gave birth to Trig) was not acceptable because of all the rumors in Alaska, they came up with the idea Bristol was five months PG.

    How could Sarah go to the big convention with a daughter that was unwed and PG? So, she thought of Levi and knew he would clean-up real nice. Also, he had to play the role of her fiance to make her fans think..."well they are going to get married anyway."

    Whatever the story, or for whatever reward, Levi got involved. Now, he is using these circumstances to build a career of some sort. The timing of his and Sarahs T.V. appearances, mag stories, etc., all seem to be timed just right. Probably by Rex and Tank.
    He's up next with his Playgirl photo shoot.

    Levi wants to keep this going as long as he can. So, I don't think he'll be talking anytime soon.

    Ginger

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  92. Anonymous10:24 PM

    OT, but I was thinking that maybe the reason why Scarah dressed the way she did at the beach in HI had anything to do with her "giving birth" last year? Was she hiding something? Could her body reveal anything either way -whether she did or did not "give birth" last year?

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  93. crystalwolf aka caligrl12:01 AM

    Isn't tomorrow supposed to be T1 or T2 birthday? 27/28?
    It will be interesting if there is a b-day celebration for one or both of them?

    The Tommy inspiration came from reading at the ocean, they talk of "Jesus" and prayers, and how stupid we are, and why are we concerned with TriG. They never question why he doesn't have his glasses or hearing aid or what his progress is or why he still takes a bottle....nothing.
    Whatever she does is fine???
    see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil???
    Its really WEIRD. Beyond weird. And they never mention Tripp who is her grandson. Ever.
    It would be hella funny if some of these palmer rumors came out to see how fast they would throw toad under the bus....hehe!
    The are LIKE her "flying Monkey's"!

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  94. BeJeBus2:37 AM

    Bill Hess's photo of Sarah's face at the Menard Center book signing sure said a lot.

    The balance of her entire bone structure looks like it has changed, there's no expressive lines due to either swelling or botox or both, and her skin really looks like plastic.

    Sarah, I know you read this. Has it been worth it all? Because I so very much pity who you were and despise what you have become.

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  95. Anonymous3:04 AM

    Aren't birth certificates public record?

    Copies for both babies would sure clear up a lot. Unless, of course, a public official fudged them, which would be a crime.

    Births in hospitals must be registered with the State, so...it would clear up a lot of speculation.

    Granny68

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  96. Anonymous3:09 AM

    Expecting rational explanations for Ms. Palin's actions seems a risky proposition, at best.

    Just compare her vacation in Hawaii with that of the Obama's and you will be reminded of what a bizarre gene pool she comes from.

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  97. Anonymous6:14 AM

    So you want to know how Sarah thought she could keep a secret of that magnitude. Sarah grew up in a small town where her parents are part of the community, people in Wasilla respect Sally and Chuck and perhaps Sarah’s siblings. Out of this respect, many in the community will not discuss Sarah’s past or her lies. Like everything Sarah has done, her parents are props.

    Living in that small town and living in Alaska gave her a strong feeling she could get by with the lie. Outside of a few pesky Alaskan bloggers who have opposed her, everyone else was willing to sit down and shut up.

    Last year, she found the protection of the small town was not afforded to her when she traveled in the Lower 48. Her recent book tour and trotting out Sally and Chuck was an endeavor to see if she could protect herself with putting her parents and children between the media and her. Sally and Chuck did not play as successfully to the audience in the Lower 48 as Sarah planned. Using Trig was successful, but brought a lot of backlash by the way he was cared for, treated and dressed.

    Sarah is a user….she uses parents, children, spouse, friends, religion, legal system, neighbors, former co-workers, police, followers, contributors, social issues, Republican party and the list goes on and on. Sarah is a manipulator, always has been one and will continue to be one.

    Sarah is evil cloaked in charisma.

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  98. "OT, but I was thinking that maybe the reason why Scarah dressed the way she did at the beach in HI had anything to do with her "giving birth" last year? Was she hiding something? Could her body reveal anything either way -whether she did or did not "give birth" last year?"

    No. Nobody questions that Sarah gave birth to Track, Bristol, Willow and Piper (although their paternity has been questioned!). Given that we know Sarah has already given birth, no, there is no way to look at her and decide whether she gave birth last year.

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  99. Granny 68, owing to comments moderation I can't see if your post has already been answered.

    In Alaska, birth records are not public records for 100 years. Sarah could choose to display Trig's birth certificate, if she has it. The only other way to gain access to it would be to subpoena it as part of discovery during a court case.

    The obvious question is why, if Sarah is so distressed over people not believing she gave birth to Trig, she hasn't chosen to display it. She might not be in possession of it- destroyed during a church fire, perhaps? With other salient records?- and not want to draw attention by asking for a replacement. Or she might be so offended by the whole question that she refuses to answer the rabble- that would be us. Or it might not give her name as mother, and she doesn't want to submit a request for a new birth certificate and not want to call attention. Or it doesn't give the official birthdate and location, but the real one.

    In view of the fact that she might, at some point, have arranged for a birth certificate with her and Todd's names on it- adoptive parents can do that, at least in Alaska- it might not confirm anything for us. That's why we need somebody to talk, or we need DNA evidence. But I think some of us wouldn't accept DNA evidence that she provides; she has her supporters, and we would want DNA studies where the genetic material follows a chain of evidence and is tested by a reputable lab. That would pretty much rule out any lab that she selected.

    Actually, I'd like Tripp's DNA tested too, if I had my wish. I would not assume that Levi is Tripp's father, although he might believe it. Apparently, Bristol was a party girl, and for Levi's sake, DNA testing should be done. And it would make things easier for Bristol in future too, in case Levi ever has doubts.

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  100. Anonymous8:01 AM

    Gryphen, I just returned from a week cruise. One of my dinner partners was the editor of the Orange County Telegraph. He was obviously very liberal as were the other members of our table. I told the whole Sp story from beginning to end and everyone looked at me as if I'd had too much wine. I even repeated gryphen, Immoral Majority, palingates over and over. It would be interesting to know if you get any hits from Orange County CA. I flatly told the eidotr that there was a Pulitzer prize for journalism waiting for the picking. He didn't look particularly interested, but maybe it was a poker face. Maybe you can contact this gentleman and give me some credibility.

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  101. crystalwolf aka caligrl8:53 AM

    @Ivyfree,If she adopted TriG it would say her and toad as parents, but I think the reason we have not seen it is THE DATES don't match!!!!
    No one is dispute that sp is not the (adopted) mom on TriG but the BIRTH mom!
    That's why I'm expecting a Orly BC from the palin camp soon...van flea asked too many questions at Gryphen, and she made that statement that she had already showed TriG BC.

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  102. crystalwolf aka caligrl8:55 AM

    @Ivyfree,If she adopted TriG it would say her and toad as parents, but I think the reason we have not seen it is THE DATES don't match!!!!
    No one is dispute that sp is not the (adopted) mom on TriG but the BIRTH mom!
    That's why I'm expecting a Orly BC from the palin camp soon...van flea asked too many questions at Gryphen, and she made that statement that she had already showed TriG BC.

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  103. Anonymous10:50 AM

    I still think Dar Miller's death in the house fire is related to Trig's birth. I don't understand why it is not being investigated.

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  104. crystalwolf aka caligrl2:06 PM

    The tweet for today is from Piper:

    # That message is From Willow! :) 39 minutes ago from TwitterBerry
    # Happy 1st birthday Tripp!! :D


    Wonder if we are talking 2nd b day for T1? Or first fake b-day for T2??
    With Palin's ya never know!

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  105. Anonymous10:13 PM

    http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.docket_lst?79282054
    Bristol filed for custody.

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  106. Anonymous12:07 PM

    I think the only way you are going to get to the bottom of Palin's lies would be to offer a person another Identity and NO jail time. The person would have to speak with the FBI but not be ratted out. Relocate the person and family. Someone may want to clear their conscious.

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