Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.
Really.
It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"
Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."
The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.
Do you know what? The more I learn about Arizona, the more I understand why the Palin family is drawn to it like moths to a flame.
"Look! I just wanted to be President! I did not realize that allowing the succubus from Wasilla into the campaign would spread the crazy so fast and to so many corners of the country!"
Personally I feel for Arizona. After all I do live in Alaska! You know "the place from which the evil doth emerge!"
But we are trying to get control of our state back from the lunatic fringe. That is why we drove Bible Spice Barbie out of office, and delivered a smackdown to the vaguely bearded Joe Miller.
We still have a lot more to do, but we have at least made a start. I hope that the intelligent, sane people of Arizona start getting organized and take their state back as well.
If they can do it in Egypt, I am confident we can do it in Alaska and Arizona.
The quitter queen is looking to open a franchise there in the desert; if she can't make it as POTUS for the USA, she can make it as defacto autocrat of the 4th reich, AZ.
ReplyDeleteI say let them go! It means more for me. Let Arizona become their own country. Maybe the powers that be promised the Tundra Turd she could be the president of her own country of Arizona. Could be why she and the whole Palin klan are moving there, except for TAWD. Arizona is such a joke. I feel sorry for any of the sane ones who live there.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, this Senator is bad news! There are two recall petitions right now. His son is a bad ass in big trouble with a long record of offenses. Yet this jerk gets elected because it's a republican state. Oh, apparently he also hits his wife.
ReplyDeleteAZ does not need more of this crap. Palin go away!
Hey Gryphen, where did the picture of their AZ home come from? was there any info with it?
ReplyDeleteIs Todd still a member of the AIP? Hmm....no wonder the family is drifting to Arizona. Can't do it in Alaska so why not try for Arizona?
ReplyDeleteAmen, Anon1:05pm! I would bet money that she knew this bill in the wings, and has dreams of her own little kingdom, once it became clear that Alaska was on to her tricks.
ReplyDeleteThe Southern Poverty Law Center has issued a report on Russell Pearce’s extremism and his connection to known hate groups.
ReplyDeletehttp://tucsoncitizen.com/three-sonorans/tag/russell-pearce/
"While their focus was on the hate, Russell Pearce was also fired by the MVD where he worked for tampering with records. He is also listed as hitting his wife in official divorce documents.
It takes a person like Russell Pearce, or someone like new GOP state chair Tom Morrissey, accused of violence by his 4th wife, to really represent the heart and core of the Christian Conservative values of the Arizona Republican Party."
Concerning Senator Pearces's son. He seems to get let off the hook a lot!
ReplyDeletehttp://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2011/01/russell_pearces_son_joshua_pea_1.php
"The Mesa Police Department has released more reports on its run-ins with state Senator Russell Pearce's son Joshua. A report I blogged about earlier today dealt with allegations concerning possible child abuse in a December 10, 2010 incident involving Joshua Pearce's infant daughter.
You can read that report, here. I've also reported previously on Joshua's previous conviction for extreme DUI, for which he caught five months probation. His baby son was in the vehicle with him at the time."
Let them secede. They can secede from Colorado's water while they're at it - Arizona's chief supply of H2O!
ReplyDeleteThe damn fools.
Let em do it officially. That state is an embarrassment and they get more nutty by the day. Let Mexico have them and we will see how long they cry Uncle. What a waste of time and money. I bet the money they are spending wasting time on this could have gone to the families they cut health care from and kept some of those poor souls alive.
ReplyDeleteActually, I am quite fine with this. Let all the wingnuts go live there and leave the rest of us alone. They can home skool their kids and generally f*&^ everything up..
ReplyDeleteHonestly, these Arizona assholes cannot have ever even read any portion of the Constitution. This would be struck down nearly instantaneously. Not even close.
ReplyDeleteMy neighbors to the west are morons.
What do Alaskans in general see in AZ over other states. SOOOO many people go to college there and move there
ReplyDeleteAK and FL are alike in many ways. Fucked up govt from the beginning, no one really cares
ReplyDeleteAll states have their major problems. All politicians are embroiled in scandal and dishonest measures. If Sarah can be credited with one thing, it's that she inspires everyone to use their voice: some or her and some against her. But she inspires people
ReplyDeleteThat is why she was needed back in 08. Obama couldnt have sustained his momentum once people started realizing they elected a fraud. The country needed Sarah. Now that need to move on and let her be
Arizona is my next door neighbor. For the life of me, I do not understand why Arizona is full of such kooks, and New Mexico is so laid back. I'v never liked AZ except for Tucson. People in Tucson are cool.
ReplyDeleteIt's easier to be corrupt at the state and local level. The fewer federal regulations and less oversight the better.
ReplyDeleteIf the AZ legislature decides they want to pick and choose which federal laws they recognize, then their elected senators and representatives should not be allowed to have a voice in Congress.
If they want to secede, let them but this might be a wake-up call for AZ voters and help turn the state blue.
UH... Egypt as an analogous situation isn't looking too good right now.
ReplyDeleteI know there are a lot of wonderful people that live in Arizona but I have to say this, let them secede and see if they can get along without Federal money.
ReplyDeleteOf course I'm sure they want it both ways. Give us the federal money and we'll only follow the laws we want to. Doesn't work that way boys and girls so here's to Arizona becoming the next Somalia.
In regard to $P:
ReplyDelete"But she inspires people"
Allow me to correct that for you:
She repulses people.
There, all better.
Naturally, then, they would also exempt themselves from federal subsidies, right? I think it's a great idea. These morons believe they have such brilliant answers for governing themselves via Tea Party 'looking out for number 1' libertard principles, let 'em give it a try. The whole state (they could take Utah with them) would sink into a useless hellhole so fast their heads would spin. Apologies to the few truly nice, decent people in AZ, but really guys, the handwriting is on the wall and Palin's are moving in. It's probably way past time to get out if you can. Sadly, the lunatics are now running the asylum and it's not clear that the sane will survive.
ReplyDelete"They can home skool their kids and generally f*&^ everything up.."
ReplyDeleteOne more f'in time - not everyone who homeSCHools does so for religious or wingnut reasons. So stop painting all homeschoolers with the same brush - you are alienating quite a few people who would normally be on your side.
Laprofesora-- She repulses people who think for themselves. She ASspires people who let other people tell them what to think.
ReplyDeleteLots of aspiring lemmings out there, and they're having babies. Lots of babies.
@1:34p.m. - What an idiot you are. Obama's momentum was due to ...Obama.
ReplyDelete$carah was a weird distraction. And now she's pretty much irrelevant, except as one face of the wingnuttiest...a rapidly aging face getting both uglier and more plastic by the minute. Somebody better check her expiration date (in the viable as a MILF/masturbation fantasy).
Oh, Arizona, please do it officially.
ReplyDeleteDon't play games. Just secede. We can handle it. I'm sure there's still a pattern for a 49-star flag somewhere. No problem. Just do it!
Gryphen why do you write/speak like you know the Palins? You've met Sarah twice now correct? The first time you lied to her about your identity which justifies her hostility toward you. The second I'll support you and say you were respectful and only wanted a book signed.
ReplyDeleteI've met and hung out with her family members and I wouldn't even talk like I know them or her.
1:22 is right. Let them secede. When the US government stops propping up this barren DESERT with fresh water, it will be interesting to see what kinds of "free market" solutions the wingnuts come up with. Maybe they'll survive on Glenn Beck's tears.
ReplyDeleteArizona secede? Great idea. I say Arizona should join Texas, which has been perenially mumbling about secession. Let these two states form their own republic--called Texizona maybe--thus releasing the rest of the country from supporting their nutiness at US taxpayers' expense. Consider the advantages: Texizona could take over illegal immigration and the drug war with Mexico, to say nothing of poverty, illiteracy, health care, unemployment...the possibilities are endless. Go for it, Texizona!
ReplyDeleteWhy do people diss homeschooling? Obviously Americas schools are the problem and always have been. Sex in the bathrooms, drugs in the quad,sleeping with teachers for better grades...this isn't regional or class based either.
ReplyDeleteI can understand why many AKans beg to be homeschooled. Word on the street is, Colony sucks, Palmer blows, west high is lame
People seem to flock to Wasilla High for the honors program or just because it's better. But more and more teens are choosing homeschooling, much to their parents chagrin.
If a secessionist's rhetoric is wrapped in the flag,- who's flag is it?
ReplyDeleteIs Scareyzona really just a lab experiment gone wrong?
Just pondering.....
EVERY SINGLE MORONIC A**HOLE that currently serves in the Arizonie legislature that supports ANY FORM of Pearce's LIE, need to do some basic, and I do mean basic, research..
ReplyDeleteWritten into the CONSTITUTION during time in the way back machine, even counting Bachmann-Turner attempts to ERASE 100 years of America history last week, is a small thing called the "National Supremacy Clause"... It has been in effect since the founding of the republic and still holds today, although many attempts from people just like Pearce have tried to get it stuck down. Fundamental principle...
Here's the detail if you basic, fundamental types actually want to research THE FACTS. If you don't - go have some KoolAide and vodka and make a list for yourself what you need from the local Wal-Martian store caused you're cooked....
Do the homework...MANY of us have.. Pearce is an idiot.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/search/index.html?query=National%20Supremacy%20Clause
Geeze, now I know how Alaskan's must feel.
ReplyDeleteNot ALL the people of AZ are like this! Stop bashing the whole dam state, bash the crazy politicians.
AND, in my opinion, the reason this state is so F'd up is because of all the fricking retirees who move here for the beautiful weather from all across the US. So there are a lot of old farts! Who scare easy.
Mesa area, this guys district is where folks go when they can't afford nicer areas like the Sun Cities and Scottsdale. That's where folks with money go.
I just moved here to help take care of my parents, I do not want Sarah Palin or this state to succeed from the United States, thank you very much!
Come on show some compassion. Gabby lives in AZ too!
If my memory serves correctly, then the US PURCHASED Arizona from Mexico - i.e. we, the taxpayers, paid for them to become part of the US. Ergo, they cannot secede from the US - unless they PAY for it!
ReplyDeleteMaybe I am wrong - someone please edumacate me then! ;)
Hmmm.... just a quick note... isn't this very law unconstitutional? I seem to recall that the Federal Law supersedes state law, and they'd be forcing State Law to supersede Federal.
ReplyDeleteThat shit got stopped after the Articles of Confederation. So... they'd have to constitutionally vote to ignore their own law....?
And you know what else is freaking icky? I did a registered sex offender search for 5 mile radius of my retirement home in Sun City area, there are 57 people registered! (all men, mostly old buggers)
ReplyDeleteThat's very creepy.
But, it's just another example of why AZ is messed up. All the retirees from ALL over the nation, and Canada.
Do a search around your home area, let's compare #'s.
Re my previous suggestion that Arizona should join Texas in seceding from the Union: Perhaps a more elegant name for the new republic would be Texazona.
ReplyDeleteGo, Texazona!
Why not just give AZ to the Chinese for debt reduction?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDelete"They can home skool their kids and generally f*&^ everything up.."
One more f'in time - not everyone who homeSCHools does so for religious or wingnut reasons. So stop painting all homeschoolers with the same brush - you are alienating quite a few people who would normally be on your side.
2:19 PM
Oh chill out. I am speaking of the wingnuts who homeskool their kids. It doesn't apply to you, then, if you are not a wingnut who homeskools their kids and wants to secede from the country. All the people I know who homeskool their kids are wingnuts. Crazy fucking wingnuts who want to secede. I guess I should be a little relieved to know there are people who homechool their kids who are not crazy wingnuts who want to secede. And I am so relieved that there are those who home school their kids and are not wingnuts who want to secede who are on my side.
A someone who lives here, this makes me sick. I moved here from a very liberal area for better weather and a more affordable easy going lifestyle compared to where I was. I have those things and I live in a great area with many Democrats and liberal friends. There is a huge arts community here which is liberal and two big universities. It isn't all bad. There are definitely more right wing crazies here then where I lived previously. But where I lived previously was very racist towards African Americans. I've lived all over the country and have yet to find the perfect place. There are cons everywhere!! I bet we have far more liberals here than Alaska! You say you are recovering. Really? I think Alaska will always attract some loner militia types as will most west coast states besides California, Oregon and Washington. Although Oregon does have a large klu klux clan !! Name an area any of you think is perfect and I'll come up with negatives!
ReplyDeleteThat all being said this guy is a nut and I heard he is a white supremacist although I am not sure about that. He is Morman and I have no idea if his Morman community is as radical. Really there are some very bad things happening here. Jan Brewer wants to drop 280,000 people off Medicaid. Let's just toss all the poor elderly and sick and disabled people on the streets. It's insane.
And picking up and moving is not so easy always.
I'm not sure where I'd go and my partner and I talk about this all the time. The crazies in this country have a very loud voice now, that is for sure. A black man in the white house raised their voices!!
Soon, AZ will see the damage they've done to themselves as the retired population slowly erodes, fewer tourists arrive due to the spooky stories about brown people and the rest of us refuse to visit their state. When the tourism dollars start to dry up, the state may finally wake up. Until then, bless their hearts.
ReplyDeleteit's amazing that some of you are such jerks about Arizona. Thanks for deserting the 35% or whatever normal people here. Your polarizing hate is as bad as Sarahs. Russel Pearce doesn't speak for all Arizonans just like Sarah doesn't speak for all Alaskans. Do you think you have no kooks in your state. Give us a break. Talk about generalizing too. The hate coming through in some of your comments is pretty similar to how Sarah talks about liberals. Practice what you preach unless you prefer to be a cold judgemental hypocrite like Sarah.
ReplyDeleteFor those of you who think your state is perfect and has no crazy politicians, where are you???
ReplyDeleteHell yeah, let 'em secede. It will be wonderful to have all their retiree's federal money, i.e. social security and medicare payments, to help pay for health care. Yahoo!!
ReplyDeletegreat news! Can we please sell Arizona to Mexico and then pay off all our chinese debts? Then we will start with a fresh clean slate and the quitter and her KKKlan will live in a foreign country and we won't have to let her come back to visit! Call it a big assed, state-sized border fence. Can you say taco bell crunch wrap for life?
ReplyDeleteanother Lizard Lips, with psych commentary:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353293/Ed-Miliband-likened-reptile-body-language-experts-way-licks-lips.html
Now it all makes sense, Toad and the AIP and the AZ bill. $carah wants to be prez of her own little country, go for it toots!
ReplyDeleteI live in TX and am very liberal along with many others. I am sure there are many liberals in AZ as well. It seems that all the states have politicians with their screws loose-- not just red states but blue as well.
ReplyDeleteAZ and TX are majority Repub. but TX is changing and will turn blue. All residents of one state should not be bashed because of absurd politicians. Liberals who live in red states obviously live there for other reasons. I never criticize a state as a whole because it is a sure way to alienate many who have something to add to conversations on blogs and elsewhere--and it is also wrong.
This is in response to the Texizona comment above.
Apparently (in Politics) these days it is the 'in-thing' to be crazy, nonsense spouting, un-American, flag waving, hypocrites.
ReplyDelete"AZ and TX are majority Repub. but TX is changing and will turn blue."
ReplyDeleteAnd as cold hearted as this sounds, AZ will turn more blue as the aging folks, who are set in their ways, biased and scared by the likes of Glen Beck and Fake Newsand pass on to a less scary place.
Anon 4:34 don't take it personal. Our folks up here have had more than our share of political BS for the past few years.
ReplyDeleteGo Cowboys!
PS.....I can't tell you how many times I have to "talk" my very elderly parents "down" from the paranoia they get from Fox News. Seriously, they get worked up, worried and scared. The fear of the day becomes their topic of every conversation with whomever they talk to.
ReplyDeleteThe good news is, all 5 of their grown baby boomer children are liberals and progressives, lol.
I've commented here before as a semi-native Arizonan. We citizens in the southern part of AZ have long known about the nuttiness of the Legislature and Governors. We thought if we ignored them they'd go away--or, as we usually do, turn around whatever they do when the Dems get a go at running the state. Well, that's not happening anymore. They've gotten really good at locking Dems out.
ReplyDeleteWhen you have most of the residents working overtime on "sunshine" wages (this means 20% or more less pay than elsewhere because of the "nice" weather, but the same cost of living), and worrying about the one paycheck from destruction and homelessness looming, you have less time to combat the crazies. Don't we all feel that we are constantly playing "Wack-a-Mole?"
There are a lot of cool Tucsonans, and I aspire to be one of them. There are a lot of liberals in this town. I think it's similar to Austin, TX.
All we can do at this time is send out S. O. S's. We are, like Alaska, the canaries in the current political coal mines of America.
H. E. L. P!
---One of the sane ones.
P. S. Gun sales are up here. As I walked through my neighborhood two days ago, I saw a woman wearing a holstered gun entering her apartment building. Fewer people of color than ever---Ain't Tucson any longer! What will you do to keep this from happening in your state?!
I doubt they will get very far with that effort. If Congress or the Supremes were to allow it they, Congress and the Supremes would be lessening their own powers, which isn't likely for a bunch of folks who like their status a demi-royalty.
ReplyDeleteAn Egypt moment in Alaska! I hope it starts in November. They can be run out of town on cheaper air flights. The whole mess must be cleaned up by May or it will get in the way of fishing season. Also we must talk of enacting bill that would bar right of return to said offenders. Should they not be in state at the time. Hint.
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ReplyDeleteHere is the reason I am against homeschooling beyond 5th grade: Most parents do not have the time nor the expertise in math and science. I think up to that point it is a wonderful experience and really committed hoemschooling parents do a bang-up job with the basics. But after that very few parents are able to mentor their children in chemistry, physics, algebra, geometry and calculus. Very few.
Anon@2:55/434PM here.
ReplyDeleteAnon @4:34PM says, "AZ and TX are majority Repub. but TX is changing and will turn blue. All residents of one state should not be bashed because of absurd politicians. Liberals who live in red states obviously live there for other reasons. I never criticize a state as a whole because it is a sure way to alienate many who have something to add to conversations on blogs and elsewhere--and it is also wrong."
A truce, sort of. I live in an area of a trending-red midwestern state, and we're surrounded by right-wingers (our liberal community here is literally hemmed in by militia groups!), so I can relate to blue Texans. But my own fair state has not--yet--figured into the states-rights frenzy that's gripping AZ, TX, FL, (AK also too?), and other states. When or if that time comes, I'll certainly be out there making my voice heard.
My comment re "Texizona/Texazona" reflects my experience of visiting my daughter when she lived in Texas (she's since moved to Kentucky; not much of a trade-off, to be sure, for one who's of the blue persuasion). What I found during my time in Texas--and my daughter still backs me on this 100%--was that Texas remains a bastion of deep ultra-conservative values, not withstanding pockets of liberal sentiment here and there.
That being said, I'm fervently hoping that Texas is "changing and will turn blue" Not that I have any vested interest there, but you have to admit that the state has frequently been in the national conversation about state rights vs.the Feds lately. And I'm not too comfortable with that.
All I have to say is, yes, become your own country! But, remember, no Medicare, no Medicaid, no US Federal dollars or earmarks going into your country and if you're retired and living on social security well you won't be getting it any longer from the USA. Remember, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! Fix your own roads with your own dollars and, of course, absolutely no social programs for people who can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps. After all, no one helped any of you, you all got where you are all by yourselves. What a joke! Good, sane people of Arizona its time to move back to the good old USA! By the way, those of us who live in Alaska, well, we're so glad that the Palins are moving to the new country of Arizona. She won't be missed here! Keep her, we don't want her back!
ReplyDeleteAll I have to say is, yes, become your own country! But, remember, no Medicare, no Medicaid, no US Federal dollars or earmarks going into your country and if you're retired and living on social security well you won't be getting it any longer from the USA. Remember, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! Fix your own roads with your own dollars and, of course, absolutely no social programs for people who can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps. After all, no one helped any of you, you all got where you are all by yourselves. What a joke! Good, sane people of Arizona its time to move back to the good old USA! By the way, those of us who live in Alaska, well, we're so glad that the Palins are moving to the new country of Arizona. She won't be missed here! Keep her, we don't want her back!
ReplyDeleteEnjay in E MT said...
ReplyDeleteWhy not just give AZ to the Chinese for debt reduction?
3:30 PM
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Uh, no. Terrible idea.
This is not about gun ownership or immigration or any other social issues. This is about money and power.
That "sovereignty clause" of Article VI expressly talks about Treaties as being part of the Law of the Land. Peabody Coal is fighting with the Indians over water pollution. The Navaho are fighting to prevent more uranium mines on their land. Multiple tribes are fighting the copper conglomerates.
The bestest, purest, most wonderfuliest uranium in the world is found within the Grand Canyon and the adjoining tribal lands... where several mines were grandfathered in... with provisions that no more mines be dug within the National Park and National Monument.
Air pollution, water pollution, and birth defects are already a problem. Imagine a former State rapaciously mining every last resource, and leaching the dregs, to enrich a few oligarchs... with NO regulations, safeguards, oversight? And if this was in China's hands, the pollution would be even worse, and the children would be digging the mines!!!
The reason the AIP want to secede is so they can own the oil, suck it all up, and sell to China or whomever offers the most money. The politicians in Arizona are no different. If we are past peak oil, uranium becomes that more precious.
The energy and mining fatcats will use social issues to rile the base into voting... but the Koch Brothers and their buddies seek to control the resources.
For all of those who are so quick to denigrate an entire state and those who live there simply because of the actions of a few nutjobs, ask yourself how you would feel if one of these nutjobs lived in your state and did the same to you? I've lived in different areas of the country and found in each of them, many wonderful people and of course, a few that I wish would move to a deserted island along with $arah Palin and other RWNJ's. However, you're talking about an area that many people call home, they have probably worked hard to own their own home and make it as nice as they can. You're doing the things the RWNJ's do by saying all Muslims are bad rather than the small percentage of terrorists who are also Muslims. Aren't we above that type of behavior?
ReplyDelete@8:14 I live in Dallas County which is solidly blue, so I am not around people from the reddest parts of the state. However, I did live in E Texas which is very red for a few years and was never so glad to get back to the Dallas area. I couldn't believe some of the things I heard and saw politically. Still, there were some good liberals there as well.
ReplyDeletePart of the problem is that people feel like the Republican majority is hard to vote out, so they give up before they ever vote and don't vote. By 2012, with fallout from a $27 billion budget deficit that we have now,- created by Republicans- I hope Texans will be ready to vote out the Repubs or at least many of them. They are making people angry with their proposed cuts in the current legislative session.
I, and many, are horrified by bills proposed about immigration, birther junk, and all the other crazy stuff. Hopefully, people will wake up but I truly am glad I live in the blue Dallas area. My family is here and I like the weather, so I stay here. I have lived in several other states but I've always come home to the Dallas area and don't plan on moving again.
My brother lives in crazy land AZ. my other brother thinks we should give Az to the Jews and Israel. that would solve many problems. they seem to like the rocky dry areas the heat won't kill them and it would take the palin fringe with them, there are lots of crazies in AZ. MCCAIN among them.
ReplyDeleteDon't hate on me, Jews are fine in my book, but balls of fire can't they ever just be happy with the land they have in Israel? Leave the dang Palestinians alone for a while.
Let them leave. I would love to see AZ and TX try to survive without federal tax dollars.
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