Monday, June 13, 2011

Andrew Sullivan thinks it odd that a woman in the middle of labor has the presence of mind to send e-mails to her staff. You know what? I have to agree.

From the Daily Beast:

Despite Palin's own account of desperation for the child's safety overwhelming her, she was cool as a cucumber. We now also know she was busy conducting state business on the trip back home, even as contractions continued.

In one e-mail in the middle of the day on April 17, Palin writes a casual, brief note to her attorney general thanking him for letting her know about a local blogger’s unflattering assertions about the reasons for a state attorney’s departure from the staff. Palin mentions heading home but makes no mention of rushing or her condition.

“What a goof he is . . . truly annoying,” she wrote about the blogger to Attorney General Talis Colberg. “Thanks for the info. I’m on my way home now from Dallas.” ...

In another e-mail the morning of April 17, Palin weighs in from Texas about a proposed communications strategy. She urges her staff not to proceed with a draft letter to the editor expressing the governor’s outrage at some Alaskan disc jockeys’ recent offensive on-air jokes about Alaskan Native women.

“Don’t submit at this time, as there will be more thought put into this as it relates to a more positive message/event,” Palin wrote just after 8 a.m. “Thanks.”

It seems to me we have two options. It's possible that Palin simply made up her drama of labor, or exaggerated it for effect, when in fact it was a routine, if rare, pregnancy, and she had mild warnings that the birth may be premature, and she gussied that up into a tall tale of her pioneer spirit, guided by her doctor, who refused to take the NYT's calls as soon as Palin hit the big time. I think that's the likeliest explanation, given the sheer world-historical weirdness of the alternative.

But it's also possible that she never had that baby at all. I mean, if you read the emails and independent reports above and were asked if this woman were in labor with a special needs child, and that her water had already broken, would you believe it? Just put all the facts in front of you and ask yourself that question.

So she is either a self-serving drama queen who didn't realize her story would imply she put her child - and many others on the planes - at great risk and then winged it to make her story more plausible; or she is a fantastic hoaxer and liar at a world class meshugana level that, at some point, will make Weinergate look like a damp squib.

I was going to post on this topic before the "God Letter "caught my attention, and I am very glad that Sullivan, who has far more resources than I, was able to address it instead, because I believe it is very valuable information which provides even more evidence that Palin was not in labor on that famous plane ride back to Alaska.

I really don't think this e-mail dump did Palin the kind of favors that her supporters keep claiming that it did. I think much of what we are learning makes HER version of her pregnancy and delivery just that much harder to believe, and that people who read these e-mails with an open mind will reach the same conclusion that all of us have already reached.

Simply put, Sarah Palin did NOT give birth to a child on April 18, 2008. And the evidence to support that contention are found in HER VERY OWN E-MAILS!

Right now there are Palin-bots reading this who are desperately reaching for the Kool-aid to help numb their critical thinking back to a level where they can ignore this information and later soothe their troubled minds with a rereading of Going Rogue.

119 comments:

  1. Anonymous4:02 PM

    Well there are definitely some discrepancies. I don't think it's totally odd for someone who is addicted to a "crack-berry" to text her way through an anxious time. Work is a distraction. If you could pinpoint some of those emails to the hospital when she was supposedly in the delivery room, then you got something. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Sarah delivered Trig, but I don't think this point is especially telling. Forecasting a premature delivery on the other hand...

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  2. Anonymous4:03 PM

    It's even worse than that. Look here at the memo to/from Palin to Tom Irwin and back:

    http://projects.nytimes.com/palin-emails/date/2008-04-19 (page 1)

    At the bottom of this memo, and before the text of the "god" letter, it appears that Palin wrote the original on 4/7/08, sent it to herself, and copied it to herself.

    This is the act of a demented and delusional individual.


    http://projects.nytimes.com
    palin-emails/date/2008-04-19

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  3. Anonymous4:12 PM

    Oh, I agree, too.

    But she wasn't in labor.

    She also gave a speech and spent a day flying, and didn't seem pregnant to anyone, not flight attendants or passersby in airports.

    Then, had to go to the right hospital to pick up the baby who had gotten out of the NICU in Anchorage and transferred to Palmer.

    There, fixed that for her.

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  4. Anonymous4:15 PM

    For those that have scrutinized the e-mails (and previous ones released last year), was it Sarah's habit to inform her staff of when she wasn't going to be "available" or taking any time off, etc.? Did you see that as a pattern in her e-mails?

    Then it comes time for her to give birth and there is no notification i.e. "hey guys, don't bother me for about 8 hours as I push this prop...errr...precious gift out of my vagggg. They'll just need to sew me up and then I'll hop back on my crackberry".

    Hmmmmmmm!

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  5. Anonymous4:17 PM

    No surprise -- Bachmann in her first question in the debate said she filed her papers to run and will be making an announcement soon.

    If you filed papers -- who friggin' cares or needs an announcement. Big flippin' deal.

    I watched the introductions and first question - GAGGED and had to turn if off. The BS is flying high already. Newtboy's first answer about what he would do for the economy, he quoted what Reagan had done -- increased job by the millions and had an economy up the wazzu in the billions. Can we just say it -- BS. That's why Maddow's charts are so wonderful!!

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  6. Anonymous4:18 PM

    What! No email saying "Holy Cow, I'm going into labor! Have the car ready! Get the Nurse. Have plenty of hot water and towels!"

    More like "time to start the deception!"

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  7. Anonymous4:18 PM

    Breathe - calm - and spellcheck. This is finally getting the attention it deserves.

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  8. Virginia Voter4:19 PM

    Here's the correct link for the picture of Kris Perry feeding Trig with the Medela bottle and breast pump from the 08 Hate Talk Express Campaign bus:

    http://blowpoppalin.blogspot.com/2009/05/twt-tweets-tattered-twits.html

    You know, this blog was very edgy, and predicted lots of stuff we now see coming to fruition. Crazy.

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  9. Anonymous4:21 PM

    Some people had commented on this over the last few days and I was HOPING that someone would pick up on it.

    I'll also say again that the claim by the media that there was nothing of note in the emails was BS! There is NO WAY that they went through all of them that quickly to give such a report. LAZY. LAZY. LAZY. I don't mind if they ask for help with them, but to come to a conclusion so quickly speaks volumes about how little the MSM can be relied upon to do any digging.

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  10. Anonymous4:25 PM

    Now if only he had included a link to this blog....please??

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  11. Dinty4:26 PM

    I love Andrew Sullivan, but he really must stop wearing my grandmother's glasses. It's freaking me out.

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  12. Anonymous4:31 PM

    Everyone looked at the emails she supposedly sent around 10:30 am the day Trig was supposedly born - around 6:30 am, right?

    That, too, beggars belief.

    One about toxic cleaning supplies and a cruise ship newsletter, I believe. She forwarded both.

    Pretty mundane stuff the day one has a baby!

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  13. When you have "God" writing emails for you like SP does it's easy to compose them while in labor, don't 'cha know. Perhaps the emails are just practice for writing a new religious text, a new dominionist testament authored by St. Palin. It can contain all the
    revisionist 'christian' rhetoric they are pushing.

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  14. Anonymous4:35 PM

    So far most of the comments over there and BI are of the "Well, let's look through Obama's emails and what about Rev what's his name and Bill Ayers"

    There you have it. Posted my own take on the Pitocin story on your earlier tale. Preposterous lie if you have ever known a woman who took Pit to induce labor - according to Sara she was already in labor in TX. Why would she need Pit? Even if labor wasn't "progressing" they would wait a few hours, esp early in the morning like that, to see if her body would move it along, then the Pit, then you wait, then you start screaming because the normal labor and Pit labor are coming back to back, no time to breath (or text). Oh, it's just such a lie, if Andrew asks a few women around the office who had Pit to describe it, I'm sure he'll want to dig deeper.

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  15. Anonymous4:40 PM

    OT, Michelle Bachmann announces, Sara doesn't react, think she's too busy throwing canned goods at the large cutout of AS taped to the new fridge tonight? God, I wish I sold appliances in Wasilla.

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  16. Anonymous4:43 PM

    or we just don't care like you all don't care that certain Presidents have/had friends that hate America. Yes I went there but you always go there first with your race baiting nature.

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  17. Anonymous4:45 PM

    It would be effortless for Sarah Palin, aka "Wonder Woman", to be able to compose emails to her staff in the middle of premature labor of her at-risk pregnancy (Well, that is according to Sarah and her i-believe-in-miracles worshippers).

    Sarah, I Wonder how anyone could believe a single word you utter, Woman.

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  18. Anonymous4:48 PM

    O/T Virginia Voter

    One of the emails reveals Erika B. buying orange label/sensitive formula for SP in July of 2008. Is the picture after that date?

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  19. @anon 4:31.
    If she weren't sleeping four hours after giving birth, and after being awake for 33 hours straight (unless she napped on the plane), she should have had that newborn in her arms and at her breast. How could she also be sending emails?

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  20. Anonymous4:54 PM

    I just love Toads Fish Picking comment to the press. How cool of a come back was that, "We can't have no fish picker born in Texas". What a joke dude, your just as gulty.

    Typical $arah BS.

    "There just are not enough hours in a Holy day. Sleep??? Who needs sleep or to have some down time after traveling all day back to Alaska from Texas, giving birth, doing state business, making sure I get my money for living home, dress up classy right after the birth, taking photos at the hospital, have mom and dad pose with a baby, take a 5 week premature baby home and cook up some goodum moose chilli for my supportive and loving big first family".

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  21. Anonymous4:58 PM

    "Right now there are Palin-bots reading this who are desperately reaching for the Kool-aid to help numb their critical thinking back to a level where they can ignore this information and later soothe their troubled minds with a rereading of Going Rogue."

    Hahaha, you are Hi-larious! Keep fighting the good fight, Gryphen.

    Primogen1

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  22. Anonymous4:58 PM

    Was Sullivan already a skeptic of Sarah's pregnancy with Trig or is thiis an indication that he is considering it?

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  23. Anonymous5:00 PM

    I dunno, I actually know several women who worked/texted through their labors. My boss was emailing so incessantly, that the office realized that she had had the baby when we hadn't heard from her in over twenty minutes.
    Some women are simply workaholics. Or, it's their way of showing control over a situation that is, obviously, far beyond their control. Not a smoking gun.

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  24. Anonymous5:04 PM

    If she had time to text/email she had time to stop by a hospital in Texas and get that amniotic fluid leak checked before sher boarded a transcontinental flight

    (high risk, premature, Down Syndrome, over 40, 7th pregnancy, previous miscarriages)

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  25. Anonymous5:13 PM

    Why would a mother refer to her very own pregnancy as a "baby bump" in an email????

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  26. Anonymous5:13 PM

    Sorry, this one just doesn't fly. I'm all for taking her to task on REAL things, but it certainly *would* have been possible for her to do emails while in labor, especially early labor, which would have been her condition the day before the birth.

    That many hours before the birth she would not have been in intense active labor -- strong, frequent contractions. That comes near the end of labor. Since Trig was not born till the next morning, and was induced, at that (if you believe any of the wild ride story, which I don't) her contractions would not have been terribly close at that point, and certainly not all consuming, as they become closer to the birth.

    I don't believe she gave birth to Trig, but you can't use those emails to prove it.

    -Mother of Four

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  27. To Anon@4:02, labor is a bit more complicated than "an anxious time." It is so grindingly, excruciatingly painful that it is impossible to focus on anything else. It is also exhausting; time between contractions is spent in total rest and relaxation.

    Any woman who has given birth, when reading about texting and emails, knows the WGE is lying through her teeth about being in any form of labor on April 17b or 18, 2008.

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  28. Anonymous5:18 PM

    @5:00 - Palin Fairy Tale Troll Rides Again

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  29. Anonymous5:21 PM

    @4:43 - who hates America? Why, little pissy Sarah Palin does! She's the one who's AIP and who is trying to ruin the country so Alaska can become a country of its own--just in time for a "refuge" during the "endtimes." Who hates America? Who puts crosshairs on a congresswoman? Secessionist Sarah! Who ruins memorials of Vets? Secessionist Sarah!

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  30. Anonymous5:29 PM

    Palin instructed her attorneys to redact legal matters, but since she can never tell them the truth about Trig, how are they to know what to look for? Gotcha, $arah Payme!

    4:43 PM, Sarah is a domestic terrorist. Wake up! She hates America. She claims she loves it, but she has done nothing but try to derail anything that happens and cause riots. Arizona shooting. Mosque non-issue. The only Americans she loves are those that give her $$$!

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  31. Anonymous5:31 PM

    Holy Crap! Unflippinbelievable! No sane, normal woman texts while delivering a baby, especially after bypassing the hospital she said she gave birth in after saying she gave birth in MatSu on a totally different date.
    Add her happy birtday tweet, with the year old photo of Trig from the tlc reality show, and I'm convinced.

    Remember, these are her own words on an unsecured yahoo account where she conducts state business.

    That woman's a liar.

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  32. Anonymous5:35 PM

    Gryphen, in the first batch of emails (2009), Todd was clearly more involved, if not in charge. Are you getting the same sense here, or have those emails been scrubbed? I just get the feeling that these emails have been "molded" (in terms of the content that is allowed to be included) to present a certain Palin narrative.

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  33. Anonymous5:35 PM

    Sarah and brother Chuck on climate change

    http://palinemail.msnbc.msn.com/palin2011/pdf/6289.pdf

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  34. LoveAndKnishesFromBrooklyn5:40 PM

    "...she is a fantastic hoaxer and liar at a world class meshugana level..."

    That about says it all. Wasn't she also hard at work (according to the emails) on April 18th, the day she was supposedly in labor with a high-risk pregnancy and already in distress? Thought I read that in the massive mesh of comments this past weekend.

    Smoking guns, but the Botskis will insist that she's such an iron willed pioneer gal she could give birth while skinning a moose, clubbing a fish and pulling a small motor vehicle with her teeth at the same time.

    PS--will SP finally announce now that her sister-in-crazy Michele has thrown her hat in?

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  35. Anonymous5:43 PM

    It's not the texts on the 17th that are problematic, it's the ones she did right after giving birth. She was still on Pit and just gave birth and she's texting and emailing? And she lied when she said she signed a bill that day. Others have already shown the bill was signed on the 19th not the 18th, the woman is so time dysfunctional she was asking her staff to make sure they had the birthday right. What woman doesn't remember her own childs birthday? Oh, a woman who showed up at a hospital and picked up her new meal ticket, er puppy. God, I feel so bad for that young child. She used him like a prop and someone or someones went along with it. She is really, really sick

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  36. LisaB25955:51 PM

    I've always known the Wild Ride story was bogus. Regardless of who delivered Trig, no woman who has given birth and feels something "different" doesn't go get checked. I'm sorry. Just doesn't happen ESPECIALLY pre-term. You don't want a baby that early. It's not good for the baby. Every pregnant woman knows that.

    I think Sarah made it up to make herself "look tough." The whole bit about amniotic fluid came from Chuck, didn't it? Probably his own bit of drama and Sara couldn't contradict her dad, could she? She's too weak to say, "pay no attention to the old man, he didn't have the baby."

    The Wild Ride is a huge steaming pile as any woman who has had children knows. For Pete's sake, you don't sit through 9 month (or seven!) months of pregnancy only to blow it by doing stupid things at the end like not going to get checked when you think you might be in labor. You sure as hell don't call a doctor 3000 miles away.

    No, Sarah just made up another story. Like driving the RV down to Hollywood or using the ferry system for her brother's foot or maybe it was Canadian healthcare--gosh SArah's stories are always in flux. But they're good stories, huh? She sure can tell a yarn!!

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  37. Anonymous5:58 PM

    Around TRig's "birth", wasn't there a big snowstorm in Juneau or just storm and no one could find Sarah? If she were emailing as it indicates, why didn't whomever she was emailed inform her of updates from Juneau? Are AK officials that incompetent?

    Well, obviously they are a tad so since people complain about Parnell more than Palin.

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  38. Anonymous6:05 PM

    If Sarah actually wrote this letter, which I doubt, why would she have that parenthetical comment after the whole Trig Van Paxson whatever, about 'or whatever the heck you name him?'

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  39. Anonymous6:08 PM

    As usual, it is the Alaskan bloggers such as yourself, who are gleaning the best clues and evidence from the dump.
    The mainstream media is just not paying close enough attention.
    M from MD

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  40. Anonymous6:12 PM

    Anon at 5pm

    You sure know some weird ladies - it is noway normal to be sending emails while in labor - apart from anything else each new pain would send the blackberry flying through the air

    As for after the birth - given the wild ride, the lack of sleep (who sleeps well on a plane?) and the pain of child birth - surely Sarah would be out of it for some hours

    I slept for hours after having my daughter - complained bitterly when anyone woke me for any reason whatsoever.

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  41. Anonymous6:15 PM

    Based on how $paylin rolls when she is in crisis mode, if she was truly in labor during her lay over, she would have made sure every single person in that airport knew about it. She would have been complaining about the pain, and trying to get the attention she always craves. It would have been a super-bowl halftime show with all the bells and whistles. One thing about scara is that she is consistently, inconsistent.

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  42. Anonymous6:20 PM

    Oh I don't think Sarah Palins supporters are too upset about these discrepancies. There have been others on this and many other issues. And Sarah seems to survive all of these things. I bet she is not worried at all either.

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  43. Well, I have to say that with my first kid, I continued coaching my swim team, sold a puppy, insisted on eating a beefy green tostada, and went to most of the last birthing class. Now that being said, no way was any of that happening when I was in labor with my second one. I can't imagine doing anything but getting to the hospital quickly with a fifth one let alone a premature fifth one. We all know that Sarah is full bull pucky when she tells her "wild ride" story. Bullshit pure and simple.

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  44. Anonymous6:22 PM

    Headline @ HuffPo made me chuckle:

    "Sarah Palin Writes At An 8th-Grade Level"

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  45. Thank God. Maybe at last some truth about this pregnancy, "wild ride" and supposed delivery will be revealed. This is an awesome post; but how do we get the mainstream (idiots) media to take notice and for once in a very long time (God I long for the Walter Cronkite/Dan Rather days) report the TRUTH or at least to ask the right questions?

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  46. @Mother of Four. Sarah herself said in Going Rogue that when she gave her speech at mid-day there were "big contractions." Plural.

    Her urgent state business (calling someone a "goof") could have happened while in labor and the other emails could have happened four hours after finishing delivery after having not been to bed for 33 hours straight--but what are the chances?

    Every single thing Palin expects us to believe in Babygate is a low probability event. To get the probability of all these necessary events you multiply fractions, which gives you a much smaller fraction as a probability.

    You have to ask yourself, "What are the chances that all of these things happened as she said?" The answer is, beyond a reasonable doubt, they did not happen.

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  47. WakeUpAmerica6:32 PM

    anon@4:40
    ROFLMAO Me too!!

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  48. Anonymous6:34 PM

    Anon 4:43, i thank God every day that most Americans aren't as racist and stupid as you are. What a comparison! You are off your rocker honey and live in fantasy world.
    Sarahs HUSBAND hates America. He belonged to AIP for at least seven years. You have zero proof that our elected president hates America unlike Sarah and her husband. Plus why do you bring up the president. Are you so emotionally disturbed that you can't face Sarahs lies? This isn't even about our President. You are sick.

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  49. Anonymous6:37 PM

    Yes, the notion of workaholic career mothers who are all "business as usual" before, during, and within hours of delivering a baby - I don't care if it's their first or their fifth - is ridiculous.

    Perhaps one or two unrelated emails (texts saying "oooowwww!!!!!" don't count), possibly during an extended lull of some kind, but definitely not ALL the professional activity that has been documented on the 17th and 18th, supposedly done by Sarah Palin (or someone using her BB and accounts, and standing in for her).

    Total bunk. Didn't happen. The having the baby part, I mean.

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  50. Anonymous6:38 PM

    The whole thing is a JOKE. No way would a hospital without a NICU have induced a premature DS fetus. They would have been flown out PERIOD! End of discussion, it would be too big a liability for the Dr and staff. And even IF labor could not be stopped the baby would have been flight flighted out within minutes of birth no matter what the condition of the child. A hole in the heart can be heard with a stethoscope, no way would that infant have NOT been flown out. The whole thing is a ruse and I hope whatever medical staff is involved that they lose their licenses, Dr and nurses alike.

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  51. Anonymous6:39 PM

    "I dunno, I actually know several women who worked/texted through their labors. My boss was emailing so incessantly, that the office realized that she had had the baby when we hadn't heard from her in over twenty minutes."

    Some women are simply workaholics. Or, it's their way of showing control over a situation that is, obviously, far beyond their control. Not a smoking gun."
    --------------------

    Not a smoking gun unless you consider all the other evidence...or lack of evidence that she gave birth.

    $P has yet to produce ANY evidence that she was pregnant with Trig beyond photos with a bunch of scarves and the Gusty shoot. She hasn't even produced the little business-sized card that the doctor's office gives you for your next appointment. If she had appointments during business hours as gov, she probably would have had to submit those to account for her time. Especially if she wanted to get paid her per diems. Which she obviously did, since she sent an email in august about getting paid the day Trig was "born."

    She has some balls for a "lady."

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  52. Anonymous6:39 PM

    Nice try bot at 4:02. Just a hint: the "Don't get me wrong...ya yada ya is the tell.

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  53. Anonymous6:41 PM

    Palin was allegedly in preterm labor-a very physically precarious
    time for mother and baby.
    Well-normal mothers.
    So, emailing during this time
    makes it even worse.
    And the fact that she had to be induced ,
    rather than preserving the pregnancy for 6 more weeks ,
    means that either Trig
    or she was in
    medical trouble.
    Which was no doubt exacerbated by the 20 hrs of travel
    and zero medical care.
    When a pre term mother begins labor,
    the goal is to stall the process,
    if possible.
    Her La De Da attitude when her baby is facing a potentially life and death situation
    is of course, bizarre.
    She claimed that Trig was diagnosed in utero with a cardiac problem.
    He's ( allegedly ) coming early
    and she's happy go lucky ??
    Palin was also at greater risk for
    very serious complications,
    including placental abruption
    which can be fatal
    to the mother in short order.
    And she's giving speeches and reading books
    and laughing and
    casually making her way back home ???
    Without a stop in an ER to at least check on Trig's health,
    if not her own ?
    Pregnant crackheads show more sense.
    None of this passes the smell test .
    None of it.
    None..of...it.
    Her Hardee Har Har attitude indicates dementia if she actually was pregnant.
    Or more likely her attitude indicated a woman pretending to be pregnant.
    Palin was so stupid she didn't even have the
    sense to fake discomfort.

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  54. Anonymous6:45 PM

    6:02 has NEVER given birth. PERIOD. An anxious time??????

    LOLOLOL

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  55. Anonymous6:46 PM

    I had an epidural with my first baby. I would definitely have been able to send emails after I had the epidural in. I had natural childbirth with my second, and within about 15 minutes of my water breaking, all of my energy and concentration went toward managing my contractions. There was no way I could have emailed coworkers at that point.

    I've had a 25 hour induced labor and a 3 hour natural labor, and as a mother, I think Sarah Palin's birth story is complete and utter crap. I'm shocked that anyone believes it.

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  56. Anonymous6:51 PM

    It's not possible that a woman in labor would be so preoccupied with distractions and people and work problems, and personalities and blackberries; her only focus is the labor. Contractions and labor is work, and it's pain, and it's all about trying to control the pain, pacing oneself, relaxing, breathing.

    This was the time that SP was going to finally meet her precious newborn baby for the first time, and welcome him into the world, and she was worried about a goofy blogger? Here she had a special needs baby arriving, not knowing what the outcome would be, whether he would need emergency care, and her mind was centered on work?

    These emails describe an emotionless unfeeling workaholic unable to separate her job from her personal life.

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  57. Anonymous6:53 PM

    Typo...sorry, Gryph. Hey 4:02! Have you EVER given birth? I have TWICE that both ended in C-sections because of things gone wrong.

    An ANXIOUS time? YOU are a maroon! The LAST thing you're doing is signing a bill! Good HEAVENS, wake UP!!!

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  58. Anonymous6:57 PM

    I myself have given birth four times- once to twins. So I feel I can be fairly accurate with the following estimations. I've had one homebirth, two vaginal deliveries- one with epidural and one without, and one c-section. So I am taking all my experience into account, along with many secondhand experiences as a doula and birth coach.

    They say Trig was born at 6:30am, so...

    Immediately after the baby was delivered, the cord would be clamped and he would be taken over to the warmer. The would suction his airways, do his first APGAR, put a security bracelet on his ankle or wrist, clean him up, do a closer umbilical clip, put his first diaper on, and swaddle him up. Now due to Trig's medical issues there certainly would have been an exam done by a pediatrician as well as a pediatric cardiologist. I estimate these measures would have taken approximately 18 to 25 minutes. It seems quick because it is- they do these things bam-bam-bam.

    So the time is now approximately 6:50.

    Now, while they are clearing the baby's airways and cleaning them up, etc, they are watching mom to make sure the placenta is delivering properly, they'll sometimes press on mom's tummy to jumpstart things is they are stalled...one thing that plays a very large part of this scenario is the fact that Palin claimed to have had to be "induced". Pitocin is a nasty, nasty thing...it forces the body into the most wretched, soul-consuming contractions possible.

    The pitocin has to be pulled back for the afterbirth because of the risk concerning uterine prolapse. So we can safely estimate that Palin was starting to expel the afterbirth just as Trig would have been swaddled up and possibly held by dad.

    Assuming Palin took the least amount of time possible to expel her afterbirth and that she did not have any tearing (which she likely would have as such a petite woman having a pitocin induced labor) then we can add another 15-20 minutes.

    The time is now approximately 7:10.

    Palin's own narrative says the children came in "minutes after" the birth. Assuming she didn't make the children watch her afterbirthing...the children come in around 7:15. Supposedly Bristol, Willow, Piper, and of course Levi were there. And Track was on the phone. Even if we allot only 5-7 minutes per child to meet, hold, coo over, etc the new baby, that takes up around 25 minutes.

    At some point, Trig will have had his second APGAR scoring. His glucose will be checked and his footprints will be taken. These things will add around 15-20 minutes.

    So with kids visiting and holding/meeting the baby (and remember we know from Sarah's own telling to People magazine that each child held Trig right after birth- this is when Willow supposedly says he looks like he has DS- preposterous) and the additional tests and procedures Trig went through...we add about 40 minutes.

    The time is now approximately 7:45.

    DS babies are notorious for difficult feeding. Sarah herself has mentioned she breastfed Trig. With a DS baby there would have been a nurse or lactation consultant to help with Trig's first feed. In a healthy baby without DS, the first feed averages 40 minutes. It likely took closer to an hour but in the name of playing devil's advocate, we'll say 40 minutes.

    The time is now approximately 8:25.

    So allowing absolutely NO TIME whatsoever for Sarah to hold and cuddle her new baby nor change her blood and amniotic soaked bed linens...yes, she COULD have been sending emails at 8:30.

    But truly- who among us believes that Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska, lay in a bed soaked with blood, feces, fluid, mucous...and chose to send nondescript, unimportant emails...before changing her bed linens, using the restroom carefully, with a wash bottle and then putting on a chux pad...and again, not taking any time to just BE with her new baby...?

    I can't believe I took the time to type all this out just so I could say once MORE...WHAT AN IDIOT. Who would believe this??!

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  59. Anonymous7:05 PM

    Anon. 4:35 - Totally agree and having been on the IV Pitocin, it was thrice the pain in contractions compared to natural childbirth. There wasn't any time to relax, and the labour room nurse had the radio turned on, "Don't Worry, Be Happy" was playing, hubby says to me "See? Don't worry, be happy" - If I had had the strength, I would have punched him!

    Yeah, I'll bet Sarah, being special, was cool as a moose sitting up in bed, with barely a sigh, flipping those fingers on her two blackberries.

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  60. Anonymous7:15 PM

    To the jokers saying that you could email after pitocin was given. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't even go there, Palinbots! You disgust me.

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  61. Anonymous7:19 PM

    a little OT, but what if S & T picked up a baby (which ever "Trig" it was) in Seattle during the layover, not MatSu? They wouldn't have to be physically with the baby if someone else brought the baby onto the plane. ...just a thought. Makes more sense especially if the baby was in Seattle for treatment re: his hole in his heart + premature status.

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  62. Anonymous7:22 PM

    If we believe Sara's story then the doctor was guilty of malpractice. If she called her and told her that she was leaking amniotic fluid and was having contractions hours before she was scheduled to take a ten hour flight, then come to a facility where there was no NICU and THEN induced labor of a baby they knew was DS, had a hole in its heart and possibly other complications that is malpractice to put the mother and baby at risk. Sara's need for a dramatic story just threw that doctor under the bus, as well as the nursing personnel at the hospital. She has no concerns regarding consequences her "wild lie" has on innocent people. Her willingness to make herself seem like some tough pioneer woman has created a mess for everyone concerned. As much as we lament the MSM's unwillingness to take this on, I am convinced they read these blogs and given the number of people posting comments here and at other blogs someone is going to start asking serious questions. The Emails serve their purpose. She is texting and emailing while she is supposedly in labor without mentioning a thing about the pain, leaking fluid, or contractions. She is some kind of freak of nature. Or she's a liar. I prefer the latter. Show the BC, show the medical records. She won't. Whine away bots but if you have any intelligence you are going to start wondering how this can possibly be true - it just isn't. Save your money and think twice before you send your money off to that grifter again

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  63. Anonymous7:25 PM

    I tend to agree with you but don't you think by now someone would have come forward. Too much $ to be made

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  64. Rationalist7:28 PM

    Anon at 6:57:

    That's an awesome timeline. I suppose many of you saw colbert's attempt to recreate Paul revere's ride according to palin, someone should recreate trig's birth according to palin, using only facts in evidence (times of emails, etc). Any YouTube filmmakers out there?

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  65. Anonymous7:45 PM

    6:57
    You pretty much nailed it. Our first was a preemie, two Apgars, the Pit come down, mom was wasted as hell. Blood and other fluids all over the place. Exhausted and in pain. The Pit messed with her totally. The contractions were coming every two to five minutes, sometimes one natural coming just before, during or after a Pit contraction. She could barely breathe at times. On top of that we are to believe they had these medical specialists at MatSu? I don't know what kind of facility it is but we were at a Childrens Hospital and were surrounded by specialists with an incubator by the bed. Even though she was just over five pounds we had to fight to not have her sequestered for three days in the peds NICU. This "child" was "preemie" at six pounds, hole in heart, DS, mom's water broken, having contractions, and yet she allowed her to deliver at a local hospital? Why is that completely unbelievable? Because it is. And lest we forget. There are nurses there and having been around enough of them I can attest if even one of those nurses saw any of several things going on there they would have insisted, and the hospital to save its ass would have complied, that she be transported to a NICU before that first drip of Pit went in. If her labor was stalled, the only reason they would use Pit - mom in trouble, labor not progressing. The solution isn't Pit, it's transport where they could deal with the leaking fluid to minimize risk of infection, get monitors on mom and baby and get them both to the NICU. Irresponsible and completely without medical awareness, hence I think it's a lie. I'd love to see some of the nurses who assisted the "birth" come forward and defend their decision. Not a one would do so because it would put their medical judgment at risk of ridicule

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  66. Ratfish7:50 PM

    Anchorage Daily News is running a story tonight about missing emails.

    Almost a month of Palin's emails missing from releases

    http://www.adn.com/2011/06/13/1914612/almost-a-month-of-palins-emails.html


    ps What a surprise

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  67. aj weishar7:50 PM

    I keep saying this: Palin did everything possible, except riding a dirt bike, to abort her son. The amniotic fluid is what the fetus uses to breathe. She put herself and son at risk for dangerous infection. Then she subjects a fetus in the birth process to airliner pressure changes. She tops it off with a long car ride to a facility with no neonatal ICU. Both of my children were considered at risk. To me Palin's actions show total disregard for her unborn son's life.

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  68. Anonymous7:55 PM

    By definition, any induced pregnancy with Pictocin is far from routine. And recovery takes longer.

    Sarah Palin is a monumental liar and fraud.

    And to this day, she hasn't proved a damned thing. Because she can't prove something that never happened.

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  69. Anonymous8:01 PM

    I hope that everyone is taking notes on the Weinergate scandal. The media sharks are knocking themselves out over this. Can't imagine what they will do when they reveal the baby hoax that has been brewing for three years and four months! It's only a matter of time before the MSM will move on and will want/need an even BIGGER more salacious scandal and they will finally have to look at all of the evidence that has been laid out for some enterprising TMZ-type journalist to just go with and claim as his/her own - The Palin Babygate Scandal! We will all give Gryphen his due even though some main stream journalist will have to be the one to take Palin down for it to be recognized as being a legitimate charge of the scam. con job artist of the century. (My personal hope is that it is Andrew Sullivan who brings Sarah down because he will give credit to Jesse Griffin, just like he did today on his blog.) There are going to be a whole bunch of people with egg on their faces. Unless, of course, Mrs. Palin wants to come clean on all of this hoax. Now would be the time, Sarah.
    Thank you Gryphen for keeping at it. Is that iceberg getting any closer? Hope so.

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  70. Anonymous8:03 PM

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/interactive/palin-emails/2011/6/10/palin-defends-herself-over-abuse-of-power-claims-i

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  71. ann_s8:08 PM

    Anony 7:25
    Where do you think some of Sarah's money is going. I bet she pays better than any tabloid. Most likely all anyone has to do is hint they have had it and are ready to tell all and the money fliesright to them. Then they clam up. We have seen it haven't we?

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  72. Anonymous8:13 PM

    to the poster at 6:57

    That is spot on! Your account should be in the NYTimes and the Washington Post. My daughter just gave birth at home and we were able to arrive some hours after and I can say without hesitation that you are so accurate. I was in a childbirth group and have heard many stories about Pitocin. If this were a trial like in Law and Order you would have brought down the house with your testimony!!!

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  73. Anonymous8:21 PM

    anon6:57 -- Good job!

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  74. Anonymous8:23 PM

    In a Laura Novack posting there was an email from Todd trying to score free tickets to a basketball game while he and Sarah were in Dallas. Is that something that someone with a 7 1/2 month pregnant wife would do? Also, why is it that only Todd accompanied Sarah on this important Energy trip? I think that Janice was really looking forward to going with Sarah but no, nobody but Todd. No security detail. No other Palin Administration personnel people. Why was this? Couldn't pull off the scam of the century with other people around, could you Sarah? Too bad that guy saw you in the Seattle airport waiting for your connecting flight. Boy, did he feel stupid when he found out that you had given birth five hours later. Wow! He didn't even know you were pregnant let alone leaking amniotic fluid all over the place. Oh, you mean you weren't really leaking fluid? I didn't think so.

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  75. Like everyone else, I'm wishing someone in the MSM was reading this blog -- and the comments. Sullivan is unfortunately an outlier -- without the clout to out the liar.

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  76. Anonymous8:31 PM

    Here are a few moments out of my own labor and delivery, just to give an idea. In early labor I decided I should eat something light for initial energy as I wouldn't be eating for awhile after that - jello and toast - which I then proceeded to vomit all over the place about an hour later. Basically my digestive tract wanted to clear the decks, in both directions. Not pretty, and certainly not a situation conducive to multi-tasking.

    After a good 6 hours of labor, I recall becoming quite overwhelmed before the transition phase, not being able to get comfortable at all, wanting to lie down, sit up, be on my knees, anything - anything - to make the pain better. Then there was all the timing between contractions to give info to the docs and nurses, plus the periodic exams to determine dilation. I got a shot of Demerol which relaxed me quite a bit. Doubt I would have been interested in texting or writing anyone once that stuff kicked in!

    A few moments of respite and then things started gearing up. I was trying not to completely lose it with my husband, as I recall. Hmmm. When things really got going I was pretty much desperate to push my daughter out. The yelling emanating from somewhere inside me was God awful. It took all my concentration to push effectively, and then once my beautiful daughter was born - after they did the checks and also put her on my breast, giving my husband and I both a chance to meet her - the cleanup and attention to mother and baby occurred just as others have described. My body went into somewhat violent shaking at that point, they brought me orange juice I think. I forget if that was hormones or a muscle reaction of some type. Made me useless for a while, that I know.

    After that, it was simply euphoria at having this blessed baby, and total immersion in the joy of it all. This was 1989 so only a few phone calls were made, that was it. But, even if I had had access to today's technology, the idea that I would have thought for even a moment about my job that first day is unfathomable. Even the roommate I had who was so amazingly put together after her delivery was ALL about the baby! As a nursing mom, that is a project in itself and an all-consuming one, so I had nothing left to think about anything else.

    Sarah's story is just impossible, on so many levels.

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  77. Anonymous8:33 PM

    Gryph, the post at 6:57 p.m. is so awesome, I think it deserves to be placed on your blog itself, not just in the comments, since a lot of people don't have time to read the comments. You can do one of the Andrew Sullivan type posts -- i.e., "a reader writes . . ."

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  78. Anonymous8:40 PM

    Excellent observations, 6:41 PM.

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  79. Anonymous8:42 PM

    Just wanted to make sure everyone got to see this, including you Sarah. Posted from reader on Andrew Sullivan:

    "At what point did our political system become decadent? The moment when the United States collectively abdicated its responsibilities in self-government was when the American people accepted the notion that John McCain believed that Sarah Palin was qualified to serve as President of the United States. The fact that the media continues to legitimize the political viability of an individual who never gave a press conference and demonstrates zero ability to recognize what she does not know, is appalling. The fact that 45.7% of the American people in 2008 gave an affirmative answer to the very simple question: "Is Sarah Palin qualified to be President of the United States?" is telling in and of itself.

    I will go further: the introduction of Sarah Palin and her perverse relationship with the American media has been the singularly most toxic element in American politics in the post-Cold War period.

    I continue to be astonished that someone can post a blatant lie on a Facebook page, have the media report on it as factual news and a real policy prescription, and permanently poison the political well. We need not go past the healthcare debate to see ample evidence of this phenomenon.

    We should not be deluded that even if Sarah Palin does not run for the Presidency that she will not have a profound impact on the Republican nomination process. She and her Christianist tendencies will enjoy a de facto veto over any candidate that fails to tap into her revanchist version of history - resentments against virtually all portions of American society. She is a constituency of one and the most important constituency in the Republican Party, which will result in a candidate who has no viable policy programs, but just might get elected due to economic circumstances.

    The media, the American people, and most importantly the Republican Party, should forcefully tell Palin that she either needs to declare her candidacy or be shunned to a life of political insignificance. We know this is not going to happen. She is the mainstream media's favorite politician. She is the spiritual and political leader of the Republican Party. For Democrats, she is a politician who should be cajoled into running to optimize Obama's chances of reelection, under the false and dangerous conventional wisdom that she is unelectable.

    American politics has always enjoyed a good sex scandal, yet in the end has been able to more or less function as a governable nation. Palin's style of politics and our ability to ignore it has resulted in our inability to extricate ourselves from three foreign wars; have an honest discussion about the impact of debt, revenue, and entitlements on the sustainability of a decent quality of life for most Americans; and permit a natural generational shift of values to occur on equal rights for all Americans."

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/06/when-did-we-become-rome-the-palin-pick.html

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  80. Anonymous8:43 PM

    I love the scenerio that one commenter made a while back about Sarah giving birth on the airplane.

    No normal person is going to want to lay spread eagle in the aisle of an airplane while other passengers are pushing her legs up and telling her to push...No normal person would even attempt that long of a flight when they are going into labor...

    The person that first gave this scenerio said it in such a way that was so funny I could not stop laughing, wish I could remember how she told the story.

    But, anyway, Sarah did not give birth to trig, there are way too many facts that prove she lied.

    Also, my daughter just gave birth in April and she is 19 and one of those texting addicts. Texting was the last thing on her mind during labor!

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  81. Anonymous8:53 PM

    Not me, 6:57 PM, I'm no idiot. I don't believe a word of Sarah's cock and bull story.

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  82. Anonymous9:02 PM

    I know there are some people who believe Sarah Palin was trying for a fundie abortion, but I don't buy it. That would put HER in danger and Sarah Palin would never do that. She thinks of herself, first and foremost.

    Of course, she wasn't pregnant, so the point is moot.

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  83. Anonymous9:05 PM

    Good Christ.

    What scares me to death is that many of the posters here are free to walk the streets.

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  84. Anonymous9:14 PM

    I don't know how things work in Alaska, but in my state you cannot use electronic devices (Blackberry s, laptops) in the hospital. It interferes with the equipment.

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  85. Anonymous9:16 PM

    With my first child, I nearly gave birth in the car going to the hospital. When I got there, I was 10 centimeters dilated and ready to push. Believe me, there's no way ANY woman would want to be sitting up straight in a cars or and airplane when in late stages of active labor.

    With my second child, I had back labor and I could only find comfort on my hands knees. Again, not something you'd want to have happen in an airport or plane.

    And, to be perfectly explicit, the "transition" time in labor (when a woman dilates from 7 cm to 10 cm) comes with lots of crazy emotions and often the purging of stomach and colon contents. All of this is well-known to a woman who's gone through birthing classes and/or given birth before (or four times before in the case of Sarah Palin).

    You can't will a baby not to head down the birth canal no matter how tough you are. You can't prevent your cervix from dilating, no matter how tight your ab muscles or whatever.

    A baby comes when it comes. If you care about yourself and you unborn child, you go to get checked out when your water breaks. You don't knowingly put yourself at risk of laboring, transitioning, and delivering in a taxi, an airport, or (for Jebus's sake) an airplane.

    Nope, none of it happened. Thanks to Chucky, we all know what a liar she is.

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  86. Anonymous9:24 PM

    Maybe this has already been said but I think an investigation needs to occur into the nurses and doctors who performed this "birth". Why would anyone ever want to have a baby with such incompetence personnel at that hospital.

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  87. Anonymous9:28 PM

    Great post by Joe McGinnis, maybe will attract some attention.

    Congratulations, Gryphen, well done!

    http://www.joemcginniss.net/trig-new-evidence-from-sarah-palin-emails/Joe%20McGinniss

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  88. Gasman9:52 PM

    Thank you Andrew Sullivan. I think that his rather vehement skepticism regarding Palin's claims surrounding her miraculous pregnancy will do much to bring the recalcitrant press back to this story.

    Sullivan frames the question properly: when confronted with her improbably batshit crazy version of events, is it reasonable to believe that things occurred as Palin claims they did?

    Palin's farcical saga requires one to be rather credulous and prepared to suspend logic, to accept that she could leak amniotic fluid across a continent without attracting the attention of a single flight attendant. That she could endure hours of excruciating labor pains with nary a whimper. That she could be so unconcerned about a special needs pregnancy going so wrong, in so dangerous a location, and NOT CONTACT A SINGLE MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.

    It is not incumbent upon the skeptics to provide Palin's motivation for undertaking such a con, we need only point out the discrepancies in her stories. As Sullivan - AND GRYPHEN - have pointed out, there are more than enough discrepancies to cast doubt upon the entirety of her claims.

    Palin is the only one that can answer as to why she felt compelled to fake a pregnancy. No doubt, in her tiny little mind, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

    If I ever meet Sullivan, I'll buy him a case of whatever it is that he's drinkin' because I think his visible skepticism will help to bring this arrogant grifting Narcissistic twit down from atop the national stage.

    Palin, pack your bags bitch; it's time for you to go.

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  89. Anonymous9:54 PM

    Anonymous said...
    Oh I don't think Sarah Palins supporters are too upset about these discrepancies. There have been others on this and many other issues. And Sarah seems to survive all of these things. I bet she is not worried at all either.
    --------------------------------------------

    I hope the two of you are very happy together.

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  90. Anonymous9:55 PM

    Wow you guys...I am BLUSHING!

    I posted that timeline because I know not all babygate believers have given birth themselves and I wanted to really try and show how nearly physically impossible Palin's version of things are.

    I am interested to hear from other women who had pit inductions with a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc baby. Would you have been up,for "working" 90 mims after?

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  91. Anonymous9:59 PM

    I was on pitocin for hours and hours and the pain was unending. I could barely catch a breath and cried many tears, though I never made a sound. The pain was incredible. I couldn't do a damn thing, but squeeze a hand. There was NO WAy to think of anything else and after all that had to have a C-section. Just saying, she is obviously lying. That was my only child, but I've been told by women who had natrual labor and induced labor that the induced labor hurt more.

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  92. Anonymous10:00 PM

    Anonymous said...
    Good Christ.

    What scares me to death is that many of the posters here are free to walk the streets.

    9:05 PM
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    I'm an atheist but a student of religion and Jesus would not like you using his name whilst you judge others. Just sayin'. Pay attention to what you particular religion deems important. Otherwise, shut up.

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  93. Punkinbugg10:08 PM

    Welcome to the DARK SIDE, Joe McGinniss!!

    More and more writers are joining the "Wild Ride"! Shannyn? Jeanne?

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  94. Anonymous10:13 PM

    If Palin was a true "Mama Grizzly" she'd have given birth in her den while hibernating. The cub or cubs would have found their way to her nipples while she was fast asleep and she would have awoken in late March or early April to meet her cubs. Oh, wait, that sounds like what actually happened!

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  95. Anonymous11:20 PM

    Loved this quote from Joe McGinniss:

    "First, how crazy is that? You write a letter to family and closest friends announcing the arrival of a new baby as if you were God?

    I’ve read saner communiques from Son of Sam and Charles Manson."

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  96. Anonymous12:41 AM

    @6:57- your comment deserves a post all its own! You have described the birth process just about to a T! Your time stamping is very accurate.

    I had only 2 births, one with epidural/pitocin, 1 without epidural, but again, with pitocin. One thing I remember about both births is that I had a LOT of water gain that lasted several days after the birth, due to the IV and pit drip.

    The photo of Mercede holding "ruffles" and Sarah bending down behind her does NOT show a swollen woman who just gave birth and used pitocin. No way. That pic always bothered me.

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  97. Anonymous1:15 AM

    On 4/22/08, Sarah wrote, “Hate to pick at this one again, but have heard three different times today the rumor again the Bristol is pregnant or had this baby. Even at Trig's doc appt this morning his doc said that's out there (hopefully NOT in their medical community-world, but it's out there). Bristol called again this afternoon asking if there's anything we can do to stop this, as she received two girlfriend-type calls today asking if it were true.”

    On 10/15/08, Sarah wrote, “Pls get in front of that ridiculous issue that's cropped up all day today - two reporters, a protestor's sign, and many shout-outs all claiming Todd's involvement in an anti-American political party. It's bull, and I don't want to have to keep reacting to it ... Pls have statement given on this so it's put to bed.”

    On 3/7/11, Sarah stated, "Rumors like I didn't know Africa was a continent, that's still out there, that's a lie...If there are allegations based on questions or comments that I made in debate prep about NAFTA, and about the continent vs. the country when we talk about Africa there, then those were taken out of context."

    Sarah doesn't have the cojones to acknowledge her actions or statements when they come under criticism. They're "rumors" or it was someone else's fault.

    Sarah's anticipating becoming President and adding a new Cabinet post: "Department of Rumor Control". Then she can rewrite her history to her heart's content.

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  98. Anonymous1:43 AM

    To add detail to my "pit-induced births", both my children went to the 2-week point past their due dates- hence the inductions. I entered hospital with my first child 0%effaced/0cm dialated- this baby was LOVING it in my womb! First 8 hrs of "labor" was laying there with prostiglandan gel to soften my cervix. BORING!! I progressed so slowly that I was able to get an epidural after the contractions from the pit got crazy bad. I could barely bend over to get it because the pain was so bad- it was very hard to stay still for the epidural to be placed. After giving birth and delivering the placenta, I had the shakes that another person mentioned having- had that with both actually- so maybe it's the pit draw-down? I never asked why it happened. Swelling was unbelieveable after my return home: Cankles for days. Obviously, Trig's "birth" was not remotely this bad!

    The 2nd baby was again induced, but rather than a 30+hr labor, this one was only about 5. I was close to fully effaced this time, and close to 2cm dilated so I was able to avoid the gel and go right to the pit. After a few of hours, after they raised the initial pit dose to move things along faster, I couldn't stand the pain of the contractions any longer. I told my dh to get a nurse and let them know I wanted an epidural. As he walked out the door, my water broke. They checked me and said, "No epidural for you! You are 8cm!" By the time they wheeled me to the delivery room, I was screaming to push. Out she came after about 15 min. of pushing. I distinctly remember saying, "That was easy!" It certainly was easy compared to my first child, but it was in no way actually "easy". I think I was delirious! haha

    90 minutes after both babies I was either sleeping, or attempting to nurse my children, or I was peeing and changing bloody pads, or getting more ice filled latex gloves to soothe my swollen cooch.

    Sarah Palin, you are a lying fraud. WE KNOW what you did. You did NOT give birth to Trig.

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  99. comeonpeople3:07 AM

    PM

    Anonymous said...
    For those that have scrutinized the e-mails (and previous ones released last year), was it Sarah's habit to inform her staff of when she wasn't going to be "available" or taking any time off, etc.? Did you see that as a pattern in her e-mails?

    Then it comes time for her to give birth and there is no notification i.e. "hey guys, don't bother me for about 8 hours as I push this prop...errr...precious gift out of my vagggg. They'll just need to sew me up and then I'll hop back on my crackberry".


    Again i think she was derelict in her duty. It required more than "don't bother me for a few hours". She should have transferred to her LG for at least 24 hours. Who would run the stste officially if she needed general anesthesia? If she had a pulmonary embolism or stroke during labor? If she hemorrhaged and required an emergency surgery? All these are risks of any pregnancy, let alone a high risk one. Who was going to run Alaska and protect it from Putin's rearing head? Toad?? She is not fit to run a PTA.

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  100. Anonymous3:25 AM

    "Every single thing Palin expects us to believe in Babygate is a low probability event. To get the probability of all these necessary events you multiply fractions, which gives you a much smaller fraction as a probability."

    Well said!

    Also, why would labor be induced at 5 weeks early? I would have thought that, even if labor had started, it would have been desired to try to stop labor, not induce it.

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  101. Anonymous3:29 AM

    Anonymous said...
    Maybe this has already been said but I think an investigation needs to occur into the nurses and doctors who performed this "birth". Why would anyone ever want to have a baby with such incompetence personnel at that hospital.

    9:24 PM

    Some of us have been questioning and writing letters and complaints for yEARs now. time for more to jump in now that the emails are out. complain to JCAHO even though the statute of limitations is up. They responded that the more people complain, the more they may need to do more. (I think they have already done something with MatSu. Write letters to the state medical board re cBJ. Write letters to the AAFP re CBJ. Keep asking al these questions you are asking on the blog, but ask them of the sanctioning bodies repsonsible for the hospital and doctors and nurses. I dont beleive these doctors and nurses actually delivered Tri=G at MatSu, but this is the avenue of exposing the hoax/fraud.

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  102. Anonymous4:38 AM

    Here what I really think is fishy,

    Flight attendants who didn't even notice she was pregnant or in distress? I'm sorry....they have to give pregnant woman a seatbelt extender. Is Sarah claiming that she was so small at the time of giving birth that she didn't even need a seatbelt extender?

    That wouldn't match up with the "Gutsy" photo where she grew huge overnight. The woman in THAT photo would need a seatbelt extender. Attendants are required by law to walk the isles and make sure everyone is buckled up...and they didn't notice she was pregnant?

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  103. Anonymous4:43 AM

    I read on Business Insider that, in her book, they published her entire "Letter from God" except the part about God...speeding up her pregnancy. That line is included in the email version but not in the book.

    Did someone realize that that line would prove she was making it up? That somehow...Sarah "knew"...6 weeks in advance...that she would go into labor early? Hmmmmm.

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  104. Anonymous4:43 AM

    "Sarah seems to survive all of these things. I bet she is not worried at all either."

    YOU'RE WRONG!!! This is the thing that worries her the MOST.

    Plus, my 2 cents about giving birth. I had 2 very quick deliveries. The first, my water broke at 4:45 pm and baby was out out 7:15 pm. It was a good thing I didn't take a plane to the hospital. The second was "induced" by breaking the water 6 days before the due date to avoid another quick delivery and not getting to a hospital in time. Both pregnancies were within a week of their due dates and I was around 30 years old, NOTHING high risk. After both babies, I felt great. I guess I could have sent emails/texts but they would have been announcing the births, not mundane things that could wait. It was a happy day, surrounded by family and rehashing the experience, esp. the crazy story I had about just getting to the hospital in time for the first, and making phone calls and getting lots of calls of congrats, and nursing my babies and getting to know them.

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  105. Anonymous5:01 AM

    Soooo...with everything that $arah physically and emotionally felt at 4am in that Dallas hotel room and then the rest of the travel time back to AK - how did she know that her precious baby was NOT in distress? Did she have fetal monitoring equipment in her carry on? I had bleeding at 10 weeks and went straight to my doctors who checked me and sent me to the hospital. Luckily healthy full term baby #2 was born a-ok.

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  106. Anonymous5:28 AM

    6:41 I agree with everything you wrote.

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  107. Anonymous5:38 AM

    Was there an e-mail to Ivy,
    Sarah's best buddy, telling her she was in labor or she was at the hospital "having" Trig? Anything to any of her inside circle??? Very odd indeed...

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  108. Anonymous5:39 AM

    The entire labor story is nonsensical. If a woman goes into labor prematurely, the doctor will not give pictocin - he/she would try to STOP labor and let the baby gestate longer, with bed rest for the remainder of the pregnancy. I had an induced labor and my doctor refused to do it early. The only reason Pictocin would have been given is if Sarah had shown up, full term or close to it, in labor but not progressing (dilating). If she were having contractions but not yet dilated, they would've given her medication to stop the contractions and put her on bed rest. Period.

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  109. Anonymous5:50 AM

    5:13-the only pregnant women I know who call their belly a baby bump are young women=Bristol.

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  110. Anonymous6:47 AM

    The point about the Pitocin not being the indicated protocol in a woman who had been leaking amniotic fluid is excellent.

    Why the heck hadn't we focused on that one thing before?

    Let's get a doc consult and see what they say.

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  111. Anonymous7:26 AM

    "Maybe this has already been said but I think an investigation needs to occur into the nurses and doctors who performed this "birth". Why would anyone ever want to have a baby with such incompetence personnel at that hospital.

    9:24 PM"

    Oh goody, another "Someone needs to" post. Since you thought of it first, you go right ahead and perform that investigation, 9:24.

    RME.

    And "incompetence" is a noun, not an adjective.

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  112. Anonymous7:45 AM

    Anonymous said...

    Was there an e-mail to Ivy,
    Sarah's best buddy, telling her she was in labor or she was at the hospital "having" Trig? Anything to any of her inside circle??? Very odd indeed...
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Has anyone seen the "Ivster" lately?

    Hopefully, she's not another bump under the bus. . . coffee mug and all!

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  113. Anonymous7:46 AM

    Anon 4:12PM Exactly what I've always thought. Trig is not her biological child. He was born in Anchorage to some anonymous woman who probably has no idea who adopted him, & transferred
    to Palmer late at night. Also, it's extremely unlikely that more than
    2-3 outside people knew what took place. You really wouldn't need a crowd to carry this off; a hospital
    'higher-up, the driver who transported Trig, CJB & S & T. She calls the family members & they show-up for a photo op in the hospital hallway the next morning. The rest is history.

    Sharon TN

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  114. Anonymous8:02 AM

    You can breast feed and still buy formula. You use formula as a type of supplement, if you don't make enough milk and don't have enough frozen.
    I breast fed until my son was almost two. We had to have formula at daycare in case they ran out of milk. He had formula like maybe 10 times in 2 years. Rarely, but we had to purchase several cans because it goes bad.

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  115. Ferry Fey8:13 AM

    Gryphen, as a mother of two I'm going to second the request that 6:57's meticulous timeline of what happens at a birth get its own entry. Let the only other thing that accompanies it be the information about the emails she was allegedly sending then.

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  116. Anonymous12:20 PM

    @5:39 Yes, but in keeping with her narrative, thanks to her daddy, her water broke- would that necessitate induction if labor hadn't actually started? I say this b/c this is what I picture Palin saying. There is no way that her water broke and over 12 hrs later, still no labor to the point of needing pitocin. Her labor would have very likely kicked in on the plane with the pressure changes.

    We all know Sarah reads this blog- often on both of her blackberries or iPad at the same time. What say you Sarah? What lie are you cooking up to cover up this new shit storm heading your way? Can't WAIT to hear it.

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  117. Anonymous12:44 PM

    "You can breast feed and still buy formula."

    Good point. I did something similar to what you did. I also want to emphasis how LEAKY and engorged your breasts are the first couple of weeks

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  118. Anonymous3:19 PM

    It's what is not said in the e-mails that is the smoking gun. She never talks about Doctors appointments,never complains about morning sickness etc. etc.

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  119. AKchic3:54 PM

    Look,

    I'm ambivalent about the whole "babygate" thing.

    Having said that - I've had four kids of my own. Two were induced. One was a nearly three day "pre-labor" (didn't dilate past 3cm) and then it only took 45 minutes at home to go from 3 to 10 and spent 20 minutes in the delivery room. Two were two hours of "active labor" (my 1st and 2nd). My last was the longest (the 2nd induction).

    With my youngest, I was in labor off and on for days. Finally, we went in to be induced. I was on the phone for a few hours in the morning paying bills in between contractions. If anyone asked what the beeping in the background was, I was honest and said I was in the labor/delivery unit at the hospital. Of course, I also wasn't panicking because I had competent doctors and nursing staff around me the entire time.

    If Palin's story is true and I were in her position, I don't care how much I trusted my own doctor - I would have been at the hospital immediately if I thought my water had broken or was "leaking".

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