Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Let us start this Tuesday morning by satiating our intellectual curiosity and awakening a deeper respect for science.

From The Daily Galaxy:

Astronomers have found pristine clouds of the primordial gas that formed in the first few minutes after the Big Bang. The composition of the gas matches theoretical predictions, providing direct evidence in support of the modern cosmological explanation for the origins of elements in the universe. 

Only the lightest elements, mostly hydrogen and helium, were created in the Big Bang. Then a few hundred million years passed before clumps of this primordial gas condensed to form the first stars, where heavier elements were forged. 

Until now, astronomers have always detected "metals" (their term for all elements heavier than hydrogen and helium) wherever they have looked in the universe. 

"As hard as we've tried to find pristine material in the universe, we have failed until now. This is the first time we've observed pristine gas uncontaminated by heavier elements from stars," said J. Xavier Prochaska, professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

One of the questions I get asked quite often in my real life, and here on the blog, is why I don't embrace any particular religion.

But in a way I do.

Our very first primitive religious beliefs grew up around a desire to understand the world around us, and our place in it. We originally lacked the means to examine, and the ability to understand, the mysteries that surrounded us, so priests, witchdoctors, and oracles provided mythologies to satiate our curiosity while giving us the illusion of comprehension.

Today science performs the very same function, only this time it is NOT just an illusion, it is fact.

You see in my opinion human beings are defined by their desire to know.  That is why I shun religions which purport to give us a sense of understanding, while discouraging our innate curiosity, lest it endanger their domination over our consciousness.

I would have no argument against religion if it simply provided comfort while promoting intellectual discourse, but that is not often the case. Instead it seems to demand that believers sacrifice that which makes them human, their desire to learn, in exchange for an allegiance to a certain worldview which seems to have little use for scientific investigation.

To my mind the unraveling of the mysteries that surround us should feed that which defines us as human, our intellect, in a way that replaces the need for religion. How can we feel alone in the universe with so much happening around us? How can we feel insignificant while discovering, examining, and beginning to understand the very fabric of space and the building blocks that make up our reality?  How can that not make us feel connected in way that believing in an omniscient, omnipotent, immortal being simply cannot?

Essentially there has NEVER been a more complex and compelling mystery than the one that we find ourselves in the middle of every single day of our lives. Today we are witnessing science take the unknown, turn it around in its hands, and lay its secrets bare to be devoured by the hungry minds of men and women all over the world. Is that not tantamount to a religious experience?

Some worship in synagogues, temples, or cathedrals, but I worship under a veil of stars, while kneeling on pews made of earth, opening my mind, as well as my heart, to the possibilities that exist while reaching out to the knowledge which dances just beyond the reach of my fingertips . Because after all, isn't this constant quest for knowledge really the destiny which unites mankind?

I apologize if I have offended any of my more religious visitors, this is, of course, my opinion and everybody is welcome to agree or disagree. All that I ask is that you consider what I have written and keep an open mind to the wonders of the universe, as well as the possibility that their creation is not as you assumed it to be.

Let us please remember to keep the conversation in the comments section respectful.

41 comments:

  1. Anonymous3:20 AM

    No apologies needed on my account! Religion is simply a control mechanism for the masses. It is guilt driven. I have always been intellectually curious. As a child of catholic parents I was told my intellect and questions were "of the devil" and my intellect would get me "in trouble". lol. How fucked up is that?

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  2. Well done, Jesse.

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  3. Anonymous3:30 AM

    EXCELLENT POST. Just love you, Gryphen. You have said perfectly what I believe, but don't have the vocabulary to lay it out. Thank you.

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  4. Anonymous3:55 AM

    There are 2 "awes" in my life: the universe itself and its mysteries which science is slowly understanding, and the mystery of why this particular planet in this particular solar system, in this particular galaxy, has intelligent life. The more we understand the universe, the better understanding we will have of why this is so.

    Since the phenomenon of other intelligent life isn't going to be found out there in "space" any time soon, we should put our own intelligence to work to strive to make life on earth as rich and fulfilling to each and every inhabitant that we can. I care more about life on earth than some vague "reward" promised by religion after death. What we do on earth while living is far more rewarding in and of itself than a mythical "afterlife." It's too bad that more who practice religion don't realize this, and if you think I'm wrong, look at the state of the world, even of this country.

    This is why I prefer scientific inquiry over religious myth.

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  5. Anonymous4:00 AM

    I'm with you Gryphen, 100% on this.

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  6. fromthediagonal4:23 AM

    Gryphen... will we, the relative few who are awed simply by the Order of the Universe, ever be accepted by the many? Probably not in your lifetime. Certainly not in mine.
    My admiration to the tenacity of scientists worldwide, and my gratitude for this well written, concise post.

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  7. Rick HIll4:24 AM

    Chocolate, the only direct evidence I have ever seen that there is a God and he loves us. Aside from that I think he just sits wherever it is he's at and eats popcorn watches us and shakes his head a lot, occasionally breaking down.........

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  8. Anonymous4:34 AM

    You do not in any way offend me by your post today. I enjoy your wonder and enthusiasm. Science and religion should not in their essence be contradictory. It is two parts of our minds working to explore and understand. The wonder of it all should be an adventure. They each prove the other. Being open to discovery and discussion with respect and curiosity is the food of our existence. I am a Catholic and find science and religion interesting and part of our path to a larger wonder. Prejudice does not allow the mind to be smart with your decisions on your journey as you learn. Ideas always be open to discussion. Being close minded is a human condition of those who are afraid to explore.
    What is to be developed in the human infant is the structure to think and learn while having respect for one's self and others to the extent that we can all be better for knowing each other. It is a long and difficult process and we all take a long time to grow. We all need mentors and that need is supposed to fill and be filled by others in our lives. The journey is painful for many of us as we work to reach the understanding that prejudice and closemindedness are dead ends. Opinions and beliefs are a foundation when they are so understood as to allow discussion with respect and growth.
    Mary W

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  9. Our Lad4:47 AM

    Very well said, pard!

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  10. Anonymous5:12 AM

    LOVE!!

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  11. bavarain outback5:16 AM

    namaste my friend....

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  12. Mel Schehlein5:40 AM

    This post is excellent. It provides reasonable answers for reasonable people about the concept we know as reality. We can only know the real world through the senses that have evolved to provide us with the tools to survive. This brain and our desire for inquiry and explanations can take us to some very strange places. (a.k.a religion).

    I find I only take exception to the next to last paragraph. Why do you believe that you must apologize because some people chose to believe strange things? I think it is interesting that many years ago Mark Twain said: “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.” Every day the march of science crumbles more of the religious dogma written by sheep herders 2000 years ago. You know I have always wondered why the true believers avail themselves of modern medical science when they could just pray their illness away. (Some do of course but most sit on the fence.)

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  13. Anonymous5:41 AM

    The quest for answers about the wondrous and mysterious universe (including the Big Bang theory), and a belief in God and/or religious practice, are not mutually exclusive. I am not quite sure why you persist in presenting this false conflict.

    I do think you have erroneously defined religion and religious practice in the narrowest of terms, Gryphen.

    There is no conflict for many of us. You don't need to trouble yourself so much about this.

    Unless you enjoy focusing on Fundamentalist Christians, that is - which is your right. I would think it would get rather tiresome for you.

    You need to open up and consider that you have blinders on when it comes to this topic, or else your exposure to religious people and organizations is so limited you are not working with the total reality of the situation, nationally or worldwide.

    I know research scientists who are extremely religious. The very notion of the Big Bang strengthens their belief in God, it does not cast doubt on it.

    Thanks for sharing the beautiful image and the latest updates on scientific inquiry, though. It's very inspiring. Maybe sometime you'll post images from the Hubble telescope. They are absolutely beautiful.

    You know, you don't offend me Gryphen because I don't believe I should tell anyone what to think or feel in their heart. I think you can believe what you wish, and I assume you respect my right to believe what I believe, what I feel in my heart and my mind. This is your blog, so you can rail against any issue of your choosing.

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  14. Anonymous5:48 AM

    Not offended here. I spent 12 years in Catholic schools, early 50s to mid 60s, and most of those years I just paid lip service to what the nuns and priests handed out. It never made any sense to me. And it was useless to ask questions, which I had a lot of, and not just in religion class. We were to accept without question. I left the Church completely in my early 20s and feel now as I always felt, that one doesn't need dogma to be a good person. I am more inspired and more humbled every time I see the moon rise over the small lake I live on, than I did when I visited St. Peter's. To me, religion started out based on fear and ignorance and for some it continues so today.

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  15. Anonymous5:56 AM

    Quite nicely worded.
    Some of us do have a problem with blind faith. I want something more than mere hypothesis to answer mind bending questions.
    Thanks for the post.

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  16. Anonymous6:01 AM

    When religion gets back to the basics ... like human sacrifices ... then I may join

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  17. Anonymous6:11 AM

    Nice topic to discuss. In some points I agree with you, we all seem to have that desire and curiosity need to know the mysteries of our beginnings. When I was a kid, I actually came to the conclusion that all aspects of evolution wasn't something I was comfortable embracing deep inside.

    I wanted an assurance that there was a being, a creator, that knew what he was doing. That everything had a purpose. Without that assurance, I felt that life was just a series of coincidences without purpose, meaning. Science to me was wonderful, but I wanted a spiritual reason to why this all began.

    Egyptian pharaohs used the knowledge they had to prepare themselves for the next life. There always seems to be an element of seeking a god, seeking assurance for a place in the next life with humans. Somehow, seeking astronomical knowledge and trying to understand what is in the hereafter went together with ancient people. I don't think man has ever evolved away from needing something that tugs at his spirit to find more when he looks up at the stars. To me, science can only go so far in answering it's fascinating mysteries for each one of us; because we live a mortal life, a limited time on earth, science doesn't offer comfort in a mind ready to go on in that big mysterious place beyond.

    I remember as kids, we used to ask each other, where was the "starting" point when the universe began? Was it always there? Forever and ever? Wow, that used to give me a headache. The thought just blows the mind. "What" created the Big Bang? Hmmmmmmm.........

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  18. onething6:15 AM

    Dear Jesse

    It's a very nice post you've written here, and there is nothing you've said which conflicts with spirituality, as opposed to organised religion. But it does not really touch upon, or negate, the possibility that consciousness is the origin of all things and the ground of being.

    Thomas Paine, in the Age of Reason, had exactly your awe and love of the universe and scientific discovery, yet he believed in a benevolent creator. He said that the only book that God ever would write was the book of nature. For me, the study of nature and especially of cosmology gives rise to a reverent feeling, it is a spiritual feeling, and I think this is absolutely the proper response.

    You have given a scenario for the origin of religion but I don't think it's correct. The mind is capable, in certain rare circumstances, of getting free of its bodily bonds. There are shamans, trance states, plants that shut off the mind's filters, and then there are simply mystical and out of body experiences that people have, and I believe primitive people had fewer mental constraints than we have now about experiencing them. People in deep meditative states sometimes remember past lives, and people who undergo near death also see that their consciousness is not dependent upon their body and and see another reality and meet other beings before returning to the body. It is out of this kind of direct experience that the almost universal human belief in reincarnation has arisen.

    I do not know why we should not feel lonely in a vast and empty universe! Awe struck perhaps, but lonely and forlorn as well IF it were true that it is nothing but matter and our consciousness has no future...and how can you feel complacent at being cut off forever, perhaps tomorrow, from ever learning more and being part of this unfolding drama?

    You say that this feeling you have makes you feel connected in a way that belief in a supreme being cannot. But this is not so - what IS so is that not everyone has felt connected to the universal and all-pervading one, and belief is a very small thing, small in comparison to actual experience.
    And I submit to you that if your reverence for the cosmos makes you feel connected, if it makes you feel less alone, then you are definitely close to having this experience but you have not named it for what it is: the divine.

    There is nothing wrong with sidestepping religion entirely, but it is important not to let one's mind be constrained to only the possibilities presented by that which you have rejected.

    In my understanding, in order for there to be any manifest universe, there simply must be something else, something outside of cause and effect, and time, which is the source, something which is outside of causation and is permanent. Such a Being/Consciousness/Reality can only have created the universe out of its own self.

    What this means is that there is nothing that is outside of God. Ponder that well. God is and can be the ONLY reality. There's nothing else! Let your mind think abstractly about ultimate causation, and how if such a type of cause must be true, that there cannot be anything outside of it.

    Of course you are amazed with awe when you study it! To love the universe, to find it fascinating and beautiful and worthy of study is a true form of worship and reverence and gratitude. It is, surely, a direct experience of God.

    Let go of any lingering fear or internal conflict, and embrace it.

    Just because some groups with their own belief system have defined you out of the spiritual does not make it so.

    The spiritual life of the Native Americans consisted largely of pondering what they called The Great Mystery.

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  19. Anonymous6:24 AM

    5:12
    In exponential amounts!

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  20. Anonymous6:26 AM

    Thanks for succinctly laying out what I've always felt. I really appreciate your views on many subjects, which is what keeps me reading your blog.

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  21. Anonymous6:36 AM

    Didn't Siddhartha seek to become One with the Universe?

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  22. Wonderfully expressed, Gryphen. In Eastern philosophy, notably Zen Buddhism and Taoism, "don't-know mind" is cultivated, mind that is clear, open, not conditioned by society, religion or culture but is wide awake, aware, present in the Now, accepting wonder over conclusion; not needing to intellectualize, label or interpret what one sees. Seeking only to perceive reality, what-is as-it-is, coming fresh to each moment.

    Such a mind isn't busy thinking, opining, judging, so is free to roam loosely and easily, and discover anew. Religion is a taught system of beliefs; in don't-know-mind there are no beliefs, only interest, curiosity, engagement, delight.

    Thanks for a great post!

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  23. Anonymous6:57 AM

    Beautifully put, Gryphen. I always wondered why there has to be something larger, more magnificent or mysterious than the Universe itself, which requires no grovelling self-abasement nor threatens the "unbeliever" with eternal punishment. It just Is.

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  24. Anonymous7:02 AM

    Aye. I agree with you in the main, and share your avid respect for the mysteries that surround us. So much is still unknown about our world...

    But the biggest face of religion, and the foundation of it, is to help to relieve the fear of death and the pain and grief from the death of those we love.

    As a way of dealing with the inevitable, there could be better ways, of course... but to choose to believe in a god, and thus be able to say, "I'll see you later" instead of "goodbye".... is a major balm to our souls. At least, until time heals enough for us to move on with our lives and let the memories of our loved ones fade into the past.

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  25. Anonymous7:08 AM

    Many years ago when I was learning about the great spirits of the native americans, it was pointed out to me that their "symbol" of life was always in a circle, everything was joined and connected to each other in some way, fashion or form. All of the earths creatures, plants, animals, water, air, land were included in their celebration of life. The symbol of the catholic church is a cross that divides top from bottom, left from right. It slices through the air and resembles a dagger. Since that time I have seen how the catholic church does divide people more than bring them together through whatever personal gain the peacher or leader or follower decides to use as a vise by picking and choosing a verse or story in the good book that solidifies their view. And after 1000s of years the results have proven themselves, not only the fear of knowledge, etc. but the greed of wanting to be let through the pearly gates and have a seat next to St Peter drives the human species to do and say terrible things against one another all in the name of god or allah or whichever apostle you choose.

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  26. I truly hope ALL organized religious leaders, participants and devotees are truly sick to their stomachs by what they hear and read everywhere about their fairy tales.. what amazing propaganda..

    The REAL question I have is to wonder if the Alaskan Monkey Squad has taken off on the brooms yet, headed toward this ancient phenomena, to make sure this in no way can compromise their pieced together reality.... what a sham..

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  27. Beldar J Conehead7:58 AM

    Gryphen, I'll forgo a fake outrage comment today to say your "defunct" blog just keeps getting more compelling, thought-provoking and informative.

    That woman - oh, YOU know who I mean - is a major buzz-kill and boner-buster. Every post you do that doesn't relate to her makes the sky seem a little bluer and the flowers bloom a little fuller. (I speak metaphorically, of course, as there isnt a blooming flower within 1000 miles of here...)

    I'm not suggesting you give up any investigative work you feel is necessary to keep her cowering in her spider-hole but the broader material rocks!

    Having said that, I just don't understand how you can deny the existence of doG when all it takes is a good pair of binoculars and anyone can see Zeus and the other gods doing divine things and paperwork, also, too, right there atop Mt. Olympus. Office hours: Monday thru Friday 8am to 4:30pm and Saturday 9am to 1:00pm, closed Sunday and Veteran's Day.

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  28. "I would have no argument against religion if it simply provided comfort while promoting intellectual discourse..."
    As a kindred soul, I thank you for saying this.

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  29. hedgewytch8:22 AM

    You've summed up my own religious beliefs very well.

    The closest "designation" I can come up with is "Scientific Pantheism" which basically means that you believe that everything in the Universe have divine origins and/or is divine in of itself. Whether you are talking about a rock or a person.

    I recently had a discussion with a fundamentalist Christian (who is taking college level physics and having a hard time with it - go figure!) concerning science and the classroom. First I had to get her to state the definition of what science is- then had her compare that to her precious philosophy on Creationism. Once I got her to admit that aspects creationism cannot be proven in an experimental model, unlike science - she then seemed more open to understand that science is NOT a threat to understanding/embracing God - it is only a threat to those human doctrines embedded within religion. For every wonderful new thing we learn about this incredible universe we live in - the more wonder and awe I have for our very existence and GOD.

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  30. Anonymous8:37 AM

    I don't think anyone should apologize for their personal beliefs; but when you call yourself and Christian and then every one of your actions belie that faith, then you should apologize to yourself. Yea, that would include you Sarah Palin.

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  31. Anonymous9:11 AM

    When any religious belief is used as a foundation for political activity, it should become a part of public discourse. Our societal failure to talk about the two taboo subjects of religion and politics in "polite company" is a major error, and causes us much grief. That is why the public sphere is so very important.

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  32. lwtjb9:15 AM

    What a great discussion! This is the best.

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  33. Anonymous9:18 AM

    In the country I was raised in, not being affiliated with any religion is OK. It's hard watching that go down the toilet.

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  34. Anonymous9:43 AM

    Exactly. Wasn't it the 'tree of knowledge' that Adam and Eve were supposedly forbidden?

    Religion is the opiate of the masses.

    We can see this in all it's glory in the politics of the GOP today. People are actually voting against their and all of our best interests. Why? Because of some words supposedly written by their invisible sky pilot. Then twisted to support whatever it is that the politicians want from day to day.

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  35. Anonymous10:06 AM

    Not that I'm any sort of wizard or anything, but even as a young child, it hit me that the way "church people" handle science, was so primitive.

    You can believe in God, still, and accept that the way He worked, was "naturally."

    Organized religion seems to require that we view God's works as having happened when He was wearing a tophat and tails, holding a magic wand.

    POOF! The world was created, instantly! What a great trick the Almighty performed...lets all clap.

    OR: lets all act like thinking adults, and analyze how this actually occurred over millions of years, which in no way minimizes the WONDER of it all.

    If you really NEED to view the deity as a touring magician, go ahead...but don't demand that anyone else follow your silliness.

    Light your candles, count your rosaries, whatever--if that is the only way you can feel you've honoured your God.

    Many of us feel we are just as "religious" even though we see science as non-theatening.

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  36. Excellent! One of my favorite quotes is by Helena Petrova Blavatsky:

    "There is no religion higher than Truth."

    And I add that the ONLY "force" in the Universe is LOVE. Evil is the absence of that FORCE, just like darkness is the absence of Light and cold is the absence of Heat. Cold, darkness and evil are powerless where the Force of LOVE is concerned.

    Been watching "How the Universe Works" on Netflix and I highly recommend.

    May the FORCE be with you! And, Bless YOU, Gryphen, for writing this very-important post.

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  37. Anonymous11:58 AM

    I don't think that science and faith/religion are incompatible. I am a Christian and my faith is very important to me. But it doesn't stop me from being curious about how things work. Nor does finding out how things work affect my faith. My personal belief is that God gave us brains and curiosity and that we should try to figure out how His creation works.

    I think evolution exists, I think global warming exists. I also think that the idea of a 'big bang' is a reasonable theory as to the origins of the universe. But that theory doesn't seem (at least to me) to have all the answers - such as where all the mass in the universe came from. Mass can neither be created or destroyed altered. So where did all this 'stuff' come from? The universe had a beginning and will have an end, but what (if anything) existed before the Big Bang?

    There are different sets of beliefs in Christians. You have the fundamentalists who refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit their view of what the 'truth' is. And you have others like me who view the Bible as divinely inspired but still written and influenced by humans and as a result is likely to be fallible. Not all Christians, or other people of faith, think that science is wrong or contradictory to our faith.

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  38. Anonymous6:15 PM

    I'm with you on this one, every single word!

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  39. Smirnonn9:48 PM

    Gryphen,

    Namaste! Beautiful post and wonderful comments :)

    There is no reason for intellectual curiosity and spirituality to be mutually exclusive. I've often times experienced a "religious" experience while discovering how our universe, how our planet, or how our beautiful and complex bodies were created and function.

    I vividly remember sitting in an anatomy class in college while the professor described how muscle cells contract with calcium and the different bands, etc. I was absolutely floored at the beauty and simplicity of the process.

    I also remember how I felt when my first child was born, how amazing it was to realize that this complex little individual came from just 2 cells.

    As I continue to develop and learn it always shocks and humbles me how we as a species continue to push the envelope of our understanding. Just look at what we've accomplished in physics in the last century - from Einstein's relativity to string theory and multi-dimensional membrane concepts.

    IMO the jury's still out re: the existence of God (as defined by most organized religions). But, there does seem to be a "higher power" which reveals itself through the beautiful, complex and stunningly logical workings of our universe.

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  40. The guy goes to the hot dog vendor and says, "Make me One with Everything."

    He hands over a twenty dollar bill. He gets the hot dog, but nothing else. In a moment, he says, "I'd like change, please."

    The hot dog vendor replies, "Change comes from within."

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  41. Not being religious (I was raised Scotch Presbyterian - that will cure a thinking person of god-mindedness, few shut!) one of the most awesome things I ever saw was the night sky in the desert between the California/Arizona border and Flagstaff. Wow! So many, many, stars! Friends and I stretched out on the car's hood and just marveled. Years later I can still recall the wonder of that. Thank you for much for this lovely post!

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