Sunday, January 15, 2012

The Founding Fathers religious views would make them virtually unelectable today. Shhh, don't tell the Republicans, it will break their hearts!


Courtesy of AlterNet:

Unlike many of today’s candidates, the founders didn’t find it necessary to constantly wear religion on their sleeves. They considered faith a private affair. Contrast them to former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (who says he wouldn’t vote for an atheist for president because non-believers lack the proper moral grounding to guide the American ship of state), Texas Gov. Rick Perry (who hosted a prayer rally and issued an infamous ad accusing President Barack Obama of waging a “war on religion”) and former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum (whose uber-Catholicism leads him to oppose not just abortion but birth control). 

There was a time when Americans voted for candidates who were skeptical of core concepts of Christianity like the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus and the virgin birth. The question is, could any of them get elected today? The sad answer is probably not. 

Do you doubt the veracity of that statement? Let's take a look at a few of them shall we?



George Washington. 

The father of our country was nominally an Anglican but seemed more at home with Deism. The language of the Deists sounds odd to today’s ears because it’s a theological system of thought that has fallen out of favor. Desists believed in God but didn’t necessarily see him as active in human affairs. The god of the Deists was a god of first cause. He set things in motion and then stepped back.

John Adams. 

The man who followed Washington in office was a Unitarian, although he was raised a Congregationalist and never officially left that church. Adams rejected belief in the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, core concepts of Christian dogma. In his personal writings, Adams makes it clear that he considered some Christian dogma to be incomprehensible.

Thomas Jefferson. 

It’s almost impossible to define Jefferson’s subtle religious views in a few words. As he once put it, “I am a sect by myself, as far as I know.” But one thing is clear: His skepticism of traditional Christianity is well established. Our third president did not believe in the Trinity, the virgin birth, the divinity of Jesus, the resurrection, original sin and other core Christian doctrines. He was hostile to many conservative Christian clerics, whom he believed had perverted the teachings of that faith. 

Jefferson once famously observed to Adams, “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”

See? Do you really think that ANY of them would have a chance in today's GOP?

It just goes to prove that there was a time when Americans were more concerned with the abilities of their politicians to problem solve and lead the country, rather than which church they attended.

These are the very people that the Republicans are constantly depicting as virtual deities which every politician should strive to emulate, but the truth is that any potential politicians today who ACTUALLY embodied the traits of these men would quickly find themselves ostracized, and treated as if they had leprosy.

Just more of that magical thinking from the GOP.  Though to be fair the Democrats are really not that much better.

21 comments:

  1. Anonymous3:51 AM

    not believing in god is a sign of free thinking & intelligence
    american capitalists don't want that

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  2. Sally in MI4:11 AM

    Aw, let's tell them. Of course, 'historians' like Newt and Sarah will just tell us we are librul liars. The great rewriters wouldn't accept any 'truth' that gets in the way of their agendas. I browse rightwing sites and amazed at what passes for thinking. They buy into the Fox hatred of Obama for being a centrist Democrat, while embracing the lunacy that is Sarah, Newt and the Rickies. All because Fox parades some well-paid pastor out to lie about government, the President, and whatever else they need to demonize to keep rating up. Sad.

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  3. Anonymous4:17 AM

    Your tax dollars at work. The US Senate pays well for its Chaplain.

    US Senate chaplain, a Level IV position in the Executive Schedule, which is $155,500.00 in 2011.

    The total annual budget for the office, including salaries and expenses, is $415,000 as of 2011

    From WIKI:
    Shortly after the Senate first convened in April 1789 in New York City, one of its "first orders of business" was to convene a committee to recommend a Chaplain, selecting the Right Reverend Samuel Provoost, Episcopal Bishop of New York. When the Senate moved to Philadelphia the next year, the Right Reverend William White, that city's Episcopal bishop was selected. In 1800, when the Senate relocated to Washington, D.C., clergymen from various Christian denominations ("mainline Protestant denominations--usually Episcopalians or Presbyterians") continued to be selected, delivering prayers and presiding at funerals and memorial services.

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  4. Anonymous4:42 AM

    Right, because people who believe in God just might not possess the important critical faculties required to make good decisions, what with their magical thinking and all.

    You are so smart Gryphen! Way smarter than any Higher Power, that's for sure.

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  5. Anonymous4:43 AM

    from Wiki:

    Benjamin Franklin, June 28, 1787:
    “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that ‘except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it.’ I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel . . . I therefore beg leave to move— that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that Service

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  6. Olivia5:16 AM

    Similarly, not a single one of them would recognize Jesus if he walked up and kissed them on the cheek. And if Jesus came to walk among us today and was recognized as Jesus, he would be roundly rejected and ostracized, if not imprisoned or killed by the "Christians" who pretend they are his followers. It was Judas, one of his close disciples, who betrayed Jesus and sold him to be murdered. 99.9% of "Christians" today are more like Judas than they are like Christ.

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  7. Anonymous5:33 AM

    You're right - both Repugs and Democrats pander to Christians.

    Witness Obama's continuing Bush's White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives. And inviting that donut-bloated bigot Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration.

    But Newt Gingrich takes the poisoned religious cake.

    Being masters of cognitive dissonance, Republicans simply deny the facts about the founding fathers' religious views. I mean it's safe to, those old guys are dead, and ignoramuses like Sarah Palin and her anti-fact coterie aren't interested in the truth, only in being holier than thou.

    Disgusting and pathetic spectacle.

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  8. Gingrich says he wouldn’t vote for an atheist for president because non-believers lack the proper moral grounding to guide the American ship of state...

    Athiests are the new gay.

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  9. Randall6:11 AM

    Yes... when you have someone tell you the Founders were Christians, ask them to please then, explain the Jefferson Bible.

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  10. fromthediagonal6:26 AM

    I applaud your willingness to address religious issues. Though you probably catch some negative feedback, there are many here who support your efforts to educate and clarify. Keep going!

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  11. AJ Billings6:29 AM

    As Gryphen has related in an earlier post, Barry Goldwater warned us about the influx of hard right religious candidates back in 1964

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/barry-goldwater-tried-to-warn-us-but.html

    These religious fanatics are getting more and more radical as time goes on.

    The Congress is getting inundated with ignorant savages like Allen West. We barely escaped the certifiable lunacy of Sharron Angle as Senator who threatened "2nd amendment remedies". She is so irrational,, that she once advocated that the color black be banned from high school football shirts because "black is the color of evil"

    http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/sharron-angle-black-color-evil

    Only the courts stand between us and "theocratization" of the USA,
    and if President Obama is not re-elected, we'll have a Supreme court packed with extreme savage partisans like Clarence Thomas.

    If not for an aged parent I'm caring for, I would leave the USA for good, and turn my back on this seething cauldron of blind ignorance, utter stupidity, and head for sunnier climes in the Caribbean or South America.

    I hold little hope that comity and civility can hold a candle to the partisan ravings of the religious right, who are determined to carry their Jesus flag into battle to rewrite the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to reflect their bronze age mythology

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  12. Anonymous6:39 AM

    Speaking of 'virtually unelectable', SNL had a heyday with Mittens last night:

    Mitt Romney Fires His Breakfast

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mitt-romney-fires-his-breakfast-on-snl/

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  13. dlbvet7:03 AM

    I read and saved this article for my file of "talking points" with the rabid, right-wing (well, I'll try to be nice) people in my neighborhood.
    Only if we consistently repeat these FACTS can we hope to counter the ridiculous noise being made by entities such as FOX News, right-wing talk radio and the clown car of Republican candidates.

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  14. Anonymous7:05 AM

    The repulsive Gingrich should NEVER even mention MORALS, since he never had any. His wife is no better, committing adultery for 6 years, while singing in the choir, and professing her Catholicism. They do not belong in OUR White House. Santorum's wife lived with an abortion doctor before hooking up with holier-than-thou Ricky. Perry is just plain nuts. Romney wants to be president just to add it to his resume, not to help anyone. It would be a big "look at me Daddy. I did something YOU couldn't" sort of like W. with the invasion of Iraq. We all know how well THAT turned out.

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  15. Anonymous7:32 AM

    This is beyond archaic and this is who runs the show for Rick Santorum?

    "The question then comes, 'Is it God’s highest desire, that is, his biblically expressed will,…to have a woman rule the institutions of the family, the church, and the state?' "

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/15/jamie-johnson-rick-santorum-sexist-email-bachmann_n_1207321.html

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  16. Anonymous7:34 AM

    Whoo hoo! Our buddy Colbert is ON IT!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/15/colbert-super-pac-release_n_1207318.html

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  17. Anonymous7:40 AM

    Poor widdle Ricky can't take the heat. He's whining about Romney and superpac influence. They created a monster with Citizens United and now they're bitching about the results? Lame and pathetic like the bunch of them.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/15/rick-santorum-mitt-romney-super-pac-ad_n_1207353.html?ref=politics

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  18. Anonymous9:12 AM

    a good read as well....http://www.nobeliefs.com/pagan.htm



    coomback

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  19. Anonymous9:43 AM

    Jesse, you should perhaps compose a post on the emotional appeal of being part of a group and group dynamics. I am thinking of how the group goes extreme in an attempt to make itself exclusive and it either ceases to exist, or gets more bandwagon followers. This can reflect Evangelicals, or Jonestown, or the horrid groups if high school girls, and gangs of boys.

    There is a feeling of safety and predictability in these groups.

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  20. Anonymous9:56 AM

    Nice news here in AK. Kind of goes hand in hand with today's theme of "religion":

    http://www.adn.com/2012/01/14/2264456/inquiry-targets-church-tax-exemptions.html#storylink=omni_popular

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  21. Anita Winecooler7:28 PM

    Thanks, Gryphen.

    This is exactly why they advocated for the seperation of church and state. It's hard enough running a country, but add "my god is better than yours" arguments, makes it impossible.

    I'd like to see all religious institutions pay taxes just like every other business. I don't feel it's necessarily breaking the seperation rules, businesses have to collect sales taxes and account for them to the government, in essense being unpaid tax collectors. Churches are businessess too.

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