Monday, March 05, 2012

Tennessee principal tells gay students they're going to hell. What a Christian thing to say. Update!

Courtesy of ABC News24: 

Parents are hot under the collar and the comments could drive a wedge between people living there. 

“At first she was talking about PDA and she turned around and she directly pointed to the gay people and said if you're gay you're going to hell and if you're pregnant, you're life is over,” Amber Whittiemore said. 

Whittiemore wasn't there to hear those words but her friend, who is gay, was. She called Amber in tears. 

“When I heard about it, I was outraged,” said Haywood High School parent Tony Snipes. 

Snipes says Principal Dorothy Bond has a habit of pushing the envelope. 

“A couple of years ago when she was principal over at Sunny Hill one of my children had his hair in braids. At an assembly she told the young men if they're sitting between the legs of a girl getting their hair braided for a few hours, that they must be gay,” 

Snipes said. Snipes was ticked then and is even more so now with the newest claims about controversial statements from the Haywood High principal, which he says boil down to “If you're pregnant or homosexual, you're not welcome to Haywood County High School.”

Yet another example of how a particular religious faith makes it impossible for some people to be tolerant of gay people or people who do not believe as they do.

Even if this is what this woman believes with ALL of her heart to be true, she has no right to say that to children in her care.

The ACLU believes that as well and has sent a letter to the Haywood County school district superintendent which reads in part: Multiple students contacted the ACLU to express concerns about an assembly that took place on Feb. 9. At the assembly, Principal Bond reportedly said that gay people are “ruining their lives” and threatened to administer severe punishment – including 60-day suspensions, assignments to an alternative school or expulsion – to any students who were observed publicly displaying affection for members of the same sex. The school already has a policy on public displays of affection that is neutral regarding sexual orientation. 

The incident appears to be part of a broader pattern of official anti-gay remarks and policies by the principal, and of incorporating prayers and proselytizing into school events. On one occasion, school officials scolded students who did not bow their heads in prayer and threatened them with discipline. On another occasion, the principal told a lesbian student that she would go to “hell” because of her sexual orientation. 

“Students have the right to be who they are at school,” said Amanda Goad, staff attorney with the ACLU LGBT Project. “LGBT students and pregnant and parenting students have just as much right to complete their education as any other student, but too often they face significant barriers or outright discrimination. It’s appalling to think that a principal would kick students out of public school based on her personal religious views.”

Lately some have been asking WHY I  call out certain religious groups or openly question the idea of blind faith.

Well the answer is due to situations just like this one. The ENTIRE reason that this principal holds this point of view, and feels compelled to inflict it on these teenagers, is due to her absolute faith in her pastor's interpretations of a book written thousands of years ago.

In my personal opinion ANY parent or authority figure who tells impressionable children that if they do not behave in a certain way they will suffers excruciating agony FOR ALL ETERNITY in a fiery subterranean cave of horrors, is guilty of child abuse.

The damage they do to the psyche's of children is right up there with the damage done by a child molester. It can last a lifetime and, in some cases, be completely debilitating to certain individuals.

Specifically if they're gay.

Update: The principal has resigned her position:

 Haywood County High School’s principal has resigned after a national civil rights organization said she made anti-LGBT remarks and threatened to expel gay students. 

A statement released by the Haywood County School Board’s law firm, Purcell, Sellers & Craig Inc., said Principal Dorothy Bond tendered her resignation Thursday. 

“The Haywood County Board of Education acknowledges its student body’s right to free speech,” the board said in the statement. “Further, the Haywood County Board of Education strives to provide an atmosphere of tolerance and diversity while maintaining high academic standards.” 

Well let's calk one up for the good guys!

33 comments:

  1. Anonymous2:27 AM

    http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/305902/pra-gsp02-0017814.pdf

    Bristol and Willow fly to Juneau Dec 12 07. xmas open house time?

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  2. Anonymous2:53 AM

    This is the kinda shit that causes teen suicide clusters, like the one in Bachman's district in Minnesota

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    1. Anonymous8:57 AM

      Wouldn't it be interesting if we could trace the various teen suicide clusters to the same individual bullies or teachers or other local school or church authorities? Just as clusters of crime in any given city are often committed by a small group of the same individuals, I wonder now whether clusters of teen suicides can be traced to the same bullies within each given community?

      For example, early on, Plano, Texas, had an extremely high rate of teen suicide. Wouldn't it be interesting to investigate the common ties (ie, did all the suicided teens have the same bullying teacher or classmates)? The teen suicide rate is extremely high in Bachmann's district. That's another area where common ties should be investigated. One would have to question teens in the community to get the correct answers, but IF there are common, causal bullying elements, they should be weeded out to prevent further teen suicides in the future.

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  3. Anonymous3:15 AM

    "pastor's interpretations of a book written thousands of years ago."

    AND on top of that the "bible" has been translated and modified many, many times. The people that do the translations are HIGHLY motivated to conform to the beliefs of the power elite at the time.

    Classic example is "the king james bible". Think those translators were going to up against the prevailing belief that kings ruled by "divine right"? Of course, NOT. Think those translators were going to include concepts of equality for women/slaves/children? Of course, NOT.

    The "bible" is whatever the power elite of the time wants it to be.

    (Check out the biblical passages about selling one's daughter into slavery. Just one of many examples of how the "bible" is a rotten guide for living one's life.)

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  4. Anonymous3:39 AM

    She resigned. :)
    Some students protested her resignation, one saying "she was just telling us about pregnant girls and homos...I feel the same way". Good grief.

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  5. SALLY in MI3:43 AM

    I assume this woman would be a part of the Palin brigade...why doesn't she have dear Bristol come and speak to the kids and tell them how her life as a pseudo-entertainer, signer of books written by someone else trashing the boy she chose to have sex with at 15, national speaker for abstinence, and actor/dancer/buffoon has been totally ruined by the child who made her a millionaire at 20? Didn't Jesus say, "judge not, let ye be judged?" This woman should be fired. When the GOP takes control in another 50 years and implements their dream of public funded church school, maybe she can beg for a job there.

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  6. A. J. Billings4:05 AM

    In spite of how politically incorrect, and insensitive it may be for me to say this, I want the deep South states to secede from the USA, and form the Christian States of America.

    They can then have their own dominionist paradise making gay marriage illegal, outlawing all religions but their own, and making slavery for non-Christians legal.

    For that matter, they could bring back whippings for not going to church, burning witches at the stake, and persecuting Mormons, JW's, and anyone else not fitting their perfect idea of evangelical perfection.

    Maybe THEN they might be "acceptable" to vicious nasty assholes like Santorum, Limbaugh, and Palin.

    Maybe then the rest of the USA could see just how horrifically insane a society based just on ultra right wing religious prejudice could get.

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    1. Anonymous9:03 AM

      I totally agree. I lived in the south for many years, and felt forced to flee, lest my spirit die from all the hatred and cooked-up fear-of-the-other that was all around me. I believe that the wounds of what caused the civil war have never healed, and that they never will heal. I believe that the south should secede, just so the rest of us can live in peace.

      LOL, if they were a separate country, they'd be invading and inciting over here as well, given their 'your business IS my business' nature. ;-)

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    2. I have often thought that maybe Lincoln should have just let them secede.

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  7. Anonymous4:06 AM

    I thought teaching religion in school is illegal. If she tells them they are going to hell, that is essentially teaching them her religion, isn't it? And why are they forcing students to pray in school?

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  8. Anonymous4:08 AM

    Very sad.

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  9. Anonymous4:17 AM

    Please don't paint all Christians with the same brush. There are a number of churches that have had policies in place to support gays for a number of years such as : Presbyterian, Episcopalian (which caused a split), and Unitarian Universalist.

    I believe someone's sexuality is between that person and God. I have never understood why anyone would want to get in the middle of someone else's sexuality, assuming it isn't hurting someone else. If a Christian believes that we have a loving and forgiving God, how does one reconcile that with the idea that the same God would give someone an eternal life in hell for his/her sexuality? It makes no sense. It is merely sanctimonius people trying to impose their beliefs (and fears) on others. While I am a Christian, I say, "Beware of man-made religions." That is where the great harm lies.

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    1. Anonymous7:29 AM

      Unitarian Universalists are NOT Christians. Some are but it is non-creedal and accepts any and all or no beliefs. It came from Christianity but it is no longer Christian. Also I am pretty sure Gryphen did not mean all Christians.

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    2. ALL religions are man-made.

      They are started by ruthless people wanting to control other people. Especially their sex lives. But, most especially, their money.

      NB: The uneducated believe religion; the educated ignore religion; the rulers use it.

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  10. A. J. Billings4:20 AM

    What's next for this idiot principal? Yelling at the students who are Jews, Mormons, Buddhists because they don't fit her personal idea of the ultra right wing perfect Christian?

    If a school principal is dissing the kids, calling gays out for going to hell, and telling pregnant girls their life is over, THAT IS WAY over the line. She is effectively bullying the kids, and putting them down, inviting students to persecute those groups, and I don't give a shit how religious SHE might be, this is a PUBLIC School, not religious academy

    IF you are that offended as a principal by gays, , pregnant girls, and people who aren't evangelical Christians, maybe you SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT, and go teach in a radical cult like Westboro Baptist church.

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  11. Anonymous4:24 AM

    Is there any hope that the School Board doesn't agree with her and will fire her, once and for all?
    Or is the majority in Tennessee full of judgmental Bible thumpers? What a hell -- to be young,"different" and have no alternative for school.

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  12. No, Gryphen...the sole REASON this woman demeans and debases gay students is not because of faith. It's because of her own identity- she feels a failure so she calls out these students to try and make herself superior.

    I suspect the reason this person constantly talks to or about gay students in a negative manner is because she herself has feelings for the same sex.

    It's always the strongly anti-gay politicians and leaders in community who get caught in a gay tryst or relationship.

    She is no different- a RINO trying to excorsize her long hidden "gayness" by beating it out out of others.


    She is a disgusting bully whose reprehensible actions have nothing to do with "faith" and everything to do with her own perceived failures.

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    1. Anonymous6:00 AM

      I'm not sure why you call her a RINO (I assume you mean Repub In Name Only). That usually means a person is not conservative enough. If Rebublicans were to disavow people who disparage homosexuality, the Repub numbers would seriously drop (and they'd have to get rid of most of their elected and de facto representatives).

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    2. I meant "RINO" in that she obviously tries to lockstep behind the rethugs on all the hot button issues (homosexuality, teen pregnancy, etc) but in reality she herself is probably "guilty" of or WISHES she were guilty of secretly advocating X, Y, or Z. She picks on gay students and black students, from what I have read. So I would guess she is attracted to black women (and let me speak for all black women when I say- we don't want you, bitter old hag) and tries to ignore those feelings by being a good little republican. That's all I mean by "RINO".

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  13. And you would expect anything different from Tennessee because?

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    1. Anonymous7:31 AM

      You really believe everyone in a state is the same? Frightening.

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    2. And you would expect anything different from the old white guys (and their gals) in Tennessee because?

      FTFY
      (fixed that for you)

      There's a lot of Alternative Lifestyles in Tennessee, too. Knoxville was voted #8 in gay-friendly cities of America.

      However, the paper did have to disable comments for this story:

      http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/jan/15/gayest-cities-ranking-for-knoxville-met-with/

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  14. A. J. Billings4:36 AM

    Huffpost reporting that this IDIOT principal Dorothy Bond has resigned

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/dorothy-bond-tennessee-high-school-principal-resigns_n_1316320.html

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  15. Anonymous5:14 AM

    Yeah, I read where people aren't so happy because you keep bringing up religion. They say that they are christians and that all christians are not like the examples we see every day. Apparently there are little "c" christians and big "C" christians. I am not sure which are the "real" christians nor do I give a damn.

    All we see are christians that spew hatred and bigotry. IF those of you feel that you are a "real" christian and these are "not real" christians why don't you all stand together and denounce all these idiots?

    Who are the biggest listeners to Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, Coulter, Palin, & Beck (the list goes on and on)? People who identify themselves as "good" bible believing christians. Who are the people who are behind Santorum? The very same group.

    It cracks me up that christians think atheists are the ones that are crazy & should be shoved in a corner. We are the ones ruining the country & world. I think not.

    When the "real" christians start smacking these christian groups down then I want to hear from you. Until then, I am sorry but I can't feel sorry for you that the "c" or "C" christians really aren't the real ones. You need to stand up and force your leaders to do the right thing. I suspect it is because they are afraid.

    However, what they are doing by staying silent is the same as the republicans who let the crazies take over their party. Now they don't have a clue what to do. This is the same boat you are heading for whether you see it or not.

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  16. Anonymous5:31 AM

    It's just like being back in 1400 or 1500's. Ignorance and only education ppl will be getting is through religious channels. That is why we have public schools and they are important. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE That woman needs to loose her job- Every parent needs to say "YOR FIRED"
    I'm so sick of these so called "christians" They do things that are not according to bible. They have multiple marriage they lie and cheat on their taxes for sure. LIE LIe Somehow they have convinced themselves that they are so special, that God forgives them for every sin they commit they go so far as to kill ppl like DR Tiller. Look closly at these ppl or our leaders they are women chasing whoring around with both sexes, tke bribs from Corps., lie , been married 2, 3, 4 times carried on ex martial affairs. Then protray that God wants them to be leaders over the the ppl. Tell everyone else how to live and be their moral leader, do as I say but I can do different.

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  17. Not What You Want to Hear5:44 AM

    Gryphen: "The ENTIRE reason that this principal holds this point of view, and feels compelled to inflict it on these teenagers, is due to her absolute faith in her pastor's interpretations of a book written thousands of years ago."

    Her absolute faith, or her enjoyment of bullying others? I believe it's the latter. There's no other way to explain why some so-called Christians are going out of their way to try and shame gay people, and why other Christians are welcoming gay people into their churches (with no ulterior motive of trying to "turn" them into heterosexuals), hiring gay people as pastors, and denouncing state amendment efforts to make gay marriage illegal.

    The sad fact is, a lot of bullies, like this ex-principal, hide behind the respectable badge of Christianity to mask what they truly are. Gryphen, I wish you wouldn't give them automatic credit for being Christians. It's only enabling them to get away with outright fraud.

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    1. I see what you did there and it's a very good point.

      Christianity is bad joojoo whilst in the hands of a personality disordered person.

      Amen.

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    2. Anonymous9:12 AM

      I agree. Many Christians have long condemned Muslims for bullying people into their faith. But history and common sense will tell you that no one ever became a Christian as the result of bullying. It is clear that this teacher does not understand either homosexuality OR Christianity (or teenagers, for that matter). Even if you take the issue of faith out of the equation (which is admittedly impossible to do, given her own statements), this teacher is a failure because she does not understand the concept of minding your own business.

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  18. Anonymous6:52 AM

    Good, she resigned. Again, these a-holes seem to live inside a bubble in which they believe the rest of the country agrees with them. It must come as a shock when they have to face the consequences for their abuse of their office.

    I hear Patricia Heaton (from Everybody Loves Raymond and the current ABC show "the Middle") has deleted her twitter account after showing her ignorance on this Sandra Fluke thing. What an ass this woman is! Fortunately there are screen shots of what this Reich wing jerk sent out and it's not very pretty. She's another one that needs to be boycotted.

    On a related note, I saw Bill Maher's Religulous last night on Netflix. That movie is hilarious and really puts this religious debate in context. He skewers all religions but the scenes with the christofacist nutjobs are definitely worth watching.

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  19. Gasman10:46 AM

    If she's going to make such bold authoritative claims about God's will, she's going to have to back it up a little more convincingly, say with a couple of stone tablets written in God's own hand.

    Absent that, she's just another arrogant fundagelical douchenozzle.

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  20. Gasman10:54 AM

    Oooh, hadn't read the update.

    You can bet that the district's attorney said something like this to the principal: "Thanks. You just lost this district a multimillion dollar lawsuit. You have two choices: resign or be fired. Which is it?"

    Actually, I am surprised that the district just didn't fire her. It might have insulated them more from any potential lawsuit. As it is, they allowed the principal to retire, thereby according her some degree of endorsement of her callous remarks by the district.

    Why do these cousin humps think they can definitively proclaim God's will to everybody with impunity and that everybody else is obliged to listen?

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  21. Anonymous12:37 PM

    Too bad they let her resign. They should have fired her sorry ass.

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  22. Damned straight she resigned! What the hell? This shit may go on in church but it has no business in the public school system.
    Whatever happened to tarring and feathering people?

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