Saturday, February 09, 2013

Alabama State Senator wants to pass personhood bill because he is afraid that unborn zygotes might go to hell.

I guess this story is a day or two old now, but I just stumbled across it the other day and felt it was something that really needed more attention.

This from the Daily Sentinel:  

State Sen. Shadrack McGill said he plans to try again to push pro-life bills in the Legislature. 

“Did you know you can be charged up to $250,000 for destroying an eagle egg, but you can destroy babies in the womb?” McGill asked this week during an interview with the Times-Journal. 

The senator said he still wants to see a “personhood” law that would put into state law that life begins at conception. Such bills failed to make it out of the Legislature in the two regular sessions since 2010 when McGill was elected and Republicans gained a majority in Montgomery. 

“Just based on the Scripture alone, the Psalm that talks about God knowing us before he placed us in our mother’s womb, is enough for me to know that that is a life inside of a mother,” said McGill, R-Macedonia. 

“So my question concerning aborted babies is, where do they go, heaven or hell? I just want to know what [people’s] perspective is.”

As I think many of you are probably aware this idea of unborn babies going to hell has NEVER really been part of the Protestant or Baptist teaching.  Many Catholics used to believe that unbaptized babies went to "Limbo" but apparently that was never part of the Catechism and later Pope John Paul ll beseeched the International Theological Commission to make it official that such was not the case, and they responded thusly:

“Vatican sources said yesterday that the commission would recommend that Limbo be replaced by the more “compassionate” doctrine that all children who die do so “in the hope of eternal salvation.”” (Times, November 30, 2005) 

Of course Senator McGill seems to be aware of none of this, and I seriously doubt it would make much difference as he seems to make all of his political policy decisions based on a complete lack of the understanding of biology, and solely on his overzealous religious beliefs, which even extend to fertilized eggs not yet placed in a mother's womb.

You might want to sit down for this next part.

“I sympathize with the folks who have had to go the expensive route of the in-vitro process, and thank God for that knowledge that the doctors possess,” said McGill, who noted that a fellow senator’s family grew through in-vitro fertilization, a fact that held up the debate in past years. 

“My understanding of that process is they fertilize 10 eggs in a petri dish. Basically they take three of the strongest and insert those into the womb, into the mother, and pray for the best,” McGill said. 

“If the mother conceives, then what do you do with the seven remaining fertilized eggs?” 

McGill said he previously suggested Williams change the wording to say life begins “at fertilization inside the mother’s womb.” 

“And I never had peace about that,” McGill said. “That’s what we tried and that failed.” 

The senator said that, after prayer, he thinks life begins at the moment of fertilization, be it inside the mother or “creatively outside the mother’s womb.” 

“That union between the sperm and the egg is where life begins, and maybe where God places his spirit inside that child, so to speak,” McGill said. “Therefore, I would hope that the legislation that we push in the future would state that all the eggs fertilized need to be placed in the mother’s womb.” 

McGill said that means doctors should fertilize only as many eggs as they plan to implant.

So McGill is attempting to pass legislation that would force a doctor to put every single fertilized egg into the mother receiving in vitro fertilization which of course  means the doctor would only be able to fertilize one or two, which dramatically reduces the possibility of one of them being strong enough to implant into the uterus, or else fill her up. Octomom style, with up to ten fertilized eggs and hope they all did not turn out to be viable.

How many women do you think would be willing to pay thousands of dollars for in-vitro fertilization, with the viability this dramatically reduced, then?

You know the only thing worse than having politicians making policy based on Biblical teaching, is having them make policy based on their misunderstanding of Biblical teaching.


  1. Anonymous4:16 AM blubber over a zygote fertilized outside the body, but to completely dismiss the toddler whose father lost his job because the stockholders sent it to China.

  2. Randall4:21 AM

    If you are willing to elect people with immature, superstitious beliefs into positions of power, then you must be willing to suffer under laws based entirely on nonsense.


    Once you concede that someone other than your own self knows what God wants - you are forever in their power.

    1. BabyRaptor5:43 AM

      Yeah, the problem with your statement is that the people who *didn't* vote for the superstitious idiot also have to suffer. Sorry, but I'm not willing to let these idiots control my life simply because I can't afford to move right now. My right to bodily autonomy doesn't in any way depend on my address.

    2. Anonymous6:39 PM

      Yes, most of these retards got "voted " in in 10 by cheating! Yes the Turd blossom didn't have anonymous to keep him from flipping the vote, that's how these tards got in including Rand Paul!

  3. Anonymous4:28 AM

    Does this asshole realize humans aren't an endangered species?Where do these throwbacks keep coming from.It seems that one has to be fucking insane to be a republican.I gotta get drunk.

  4. Anonymous4:30 AM

    I am LONG past child-bearing years but this guy, and those like him, can stay OUT of my womb, thank you very much! NO man has the "God-given" right to dictate what a woman does with her body.

    1. Leland4:50 AM

      4:30, if you change that to no ONE has the right instead of "NO man....", you and I will be in complete agreement!

    2. Anonymous5:26 AM

      4:30 here, Leland. I am in FULL agreement with you but why is it always men making these idiotic statements? Even the birth control hearing consisted of men only so I stand by my original statement.

    3. Anonymous6:01 AM

      There are a few self-hating misogynist women legislators out there too. See Dakota, North.

      And $carah Palin, Cross-eyed Virginia Foxx, Amy Kremer, Nikki Haley, etc.

    4. Grey Lensman8:43 AM

      anon@6:01. I live in North Dakota. And now I can be embarrassed for my state too. That's the regressives idea of inclusion.

  5. Leland4:47 AM

    First, does this asshole know about the thousands and thousands and thousands of fertilized eggs which daily do not attach? Does he even WANT to know? I doubt it very much.

    And second, what the hell did you expect, Gryphen, when his parents were religious enough to name him SHADRACK??????????

    Something these idiots will NEVER get to understand. HUMANS ARE NOT SPECIAL!!!! They are ANIMALS. Animals who can destroy everything, to be sure, and ones that are supposedly capable of reasoning, but animals nonetheless.

    They are not minerals. They are not plants (although some seem to have the same level of thought!). They are not viruses. That leaves animal.

    Hard line ultra-rabid Xtians. Fanatics.

    Fanaticism for any reason is dangerous.

    And is that GREASE in his hair? EEEEEWWWWWWWW!

    1. Anonymous5:24 AM

      His parents obviously have a sense of humor by naming him Shad. As in, dammit, I thought I had to toot, but I done gone and Shad my britches. Again. Happens ever time you cook that meatloaf, Esther.

    2. Anonymous9:55 AM

      This cocksucker might've been hatched himself. He's clueless. And has no fucking clue how clueless he is. So he has no desire to learn. Point and laugh is all we can do because he won't listen, because his momma and daddy never had the guts to tell him that he's a complete idiot.

    3. Anita Winecooler7:21 PM

      I don't think that's grease in his hair, but I don't want to even guess what it is.

  6. angela5:02 AM

    Does this idiot also think "there be dragons" at the end of the earth?

  7. A. J. Billings5:02 AM

    These bible folks don't have medical knowledge, and they have obviously not thought things through about zygotes 1 minute old being "full human beings"

    What if the doctor spills a few fertilized eggs
    on the floor, and they die? Should the In Vitro doctor be charged with murder?

    Can a zygote in a petri dish inherit money or property?

  8. Anonymous5:04 AM

    But the important question is, with 10 fertllized eggs inserted into a woman's uterus--- thinking 8 months ahead of the baby showers--- should you register for 10 handgus, all alike, for each zygote or a combination of handguns, assault rifles and shotguns? Cuz they need to be ready to defend their 2nd Amendment rights the moment they 'crown' so they'll be safe from Obumble. He'll still be President becuz, you know, he and Mooch and they's two little straw- headed chilluns ain't gonna give up that free rent and free airplane and heeliocopter without us having a war.

    1. Awwww...still hanging around in your white pissed stained hood I see! Saw you on the other usually have your gay bashing going on but looks like today the memo from KKKalin central must be wear your pissed stain white sheet today while commenting on IM's! LOL!

      Poor stupid ass racist troll...guess what dumbass...when you woke up smelling like vomit and last nights hillbilly chow...President Obama and First Lady Michelle was still YOUR President and his two little beautiful daughters are STILL sleeping in the...wait for it racist.....WHITE House! go tell that to the drug addicted bald tranny face man named Baldy Louise Heath Palin motherfucker! LOL!

    2. Anonymous10:31 AM

      Gina. Ouch! Thanks for that kick in the nuts!

      My snark didn't some thru there very well, did it? I'm tryng to use bagger terminology so they can recognize the stupidity of their argument. I've been messing with some of the fucktards on the right fringe this morning while I enjoy a couple of bloody marys. Hair of the dog, u know?

      They get the red-ass on britefart , daily caller and others when I mock their ideas using their words. Good to have you back, girl!

      Boney No nuts now

    3. Uh Boney baby...there ain't no BAGGERS on here to read your maybe you should post a little disclaimer next time.

      Now here...take your "nuts" and go to the're on punishment!


    4. Anonymous3:20 PM

      I'm thinking about cooking something sweet and crunchy. Got any good recipes that use crushed nuts? Banana Nut Bread, maybe? Never mind. I'll just add a couple more olives to my drink. And keep this ice pack you-know-where.

      Baggers are conspicuously quiet today. Is it Free Entrance to the Zoo Day for Tea-tards today, or what? I think Sarah's pee-tards are too busy hating on Marco Roooobio to come over and play. But the sock-puppets aren't too busy to remind them that Sarah's 49th birthday is on the 11th, and that its a great 'opportunity' to contribute $49.00 to Sarah PAC. LOL Bless their hearts.

  9. Anonymous5:04 AM

    At some point the medical establishment (aka the AMA and the other national medical organizations) and the ABA must intervene and teach these idiots a thing or two. I have been appalled at the silence of these national medical and legal groups over the last several years as well as the silence of all those illness-related fundraising groups that just love to inundate us all with stickers. The silence of those who know better allows this insanity to continue and to grow.

  10. Balzafiar5:19 AM

    “Did you know you can be charged up to $250,000 for destroying an eagle egg, but you can destroy babies in the womb?”

    If the man wasn't so damned ignorant he would know why. Eagles are an endangered species. His comparison is not even close to valid.

    How he ever got elected, I will never know. The one thing I do know: he is an ignorant clod.

    1. Anonymous6:05 AM

      And when was the last time an eagle egg was laid inside a woman? And she had to use (the labor of) her body to birth it? And was expected to spend the next 18-21 years of her life caring for it, or make arrangements to do so?

      The ShadDICk for a his spewing of religion, understands diddly squat about moral obligation difference.

    2. Leland7:19 AM

      5:19, if you look at what Gryph posted - right at the very top, FIRST TWO WORDS - you'll have your answer to how he got elected. While there are definitely sane religious people down there, too many of them are the fanatical Xtians. And it was THEY who elected him!

  11. Anonymous5:29 AM

    So fertilized eggs become 'persons.' Then when a woman has a naturally occurring miscarriage, can we put god on trial for murder?

    There have already been discussions of forcing women who miscarry to prove she didn't do anything to cause it to happen and to charge her with criminal conduct if she can't do that to their satisfaction. These creeps are determined to make women at fault for everything. Nothing is ever god's fault, and heaven knows it can't possibly be a man's fault so it must be those pesky women.

    We might as well go back to burning witches.

    1. Anonymous5:51 AM

      Please don't give them any ideas. Burning witches was not so long ago. You know the republicans love living in the past.

    2. WakeUpAmerica8:10 AM

      Witch burning in the news yesterday. Woman burned live at the stake. I forget which country it was.

    3. Anonymous6:01 PM

      I heard something down..."there" they are trying to do that, if a woman has a miscarriage!

      Fucking asshole idiots!
      They know nothing.
      OT: my Son is in acupuncture school, and basically you have to do all pre-med to get in, in his last year and they have a woman Acupuncturist specialist in "Women's health" come in and teach a class on Women's health, he said its really interesting, hard, and lots of stuff he didn't know, they must know where the hormones originate from, pituitary axis,
      the cycles,etc., he said all kinds of stuff he wasn't really aware of....
      My guess is Shadrack down there...only knows what the boyz talk about in the locker room about woman's "Curse"....
      Why are there UN-educated Congress making these decisions and proposing these bills?
      They know nothing and a women's cycle is mysterious and dangerous to these uneducated fucks. Just like in the witch-burnings...always women, b/c they are scared women bring life!

  12. BabyRaptor5:41 AM

    The verse he talks about is one man saying that God knew he would be a prophet while he was still in the womb. There's another in Jeremiah that says the same thing.

    First off, neither of these verses mention conception. They say "in my mother's womb." That could be anytime during the entire 10 months.

    Second, neither of these verses is about everyone. They're both two very specific men talking to God about the fact that God knew what they would do with their lives before they were born. Which, you know, when you believe God is all-knowing, that makes sense. But it has jack shit to do with when life starts.

    Oh, and lastly, neither of them is actually God saying anything. They're David and Jeremiah.

    But I'm not really surprised that this guy doesn't know the crap he's spouting. That's par for the course for the fascists.

  13. Anonymous5:57 AM

    Please..somebody develop a basic intelligence test that candidates have to pass before they can even file to be a candidate!

    Electing superstitious morons has a deleterious effect on every one of us no matter how far removed we are from their sphere of influence.

    Of all the "professions" in our society the legislators are the least regulated, yet the most crucial for our society's health.

    1. Anonymous6:05 PM

      Yes they should have some REAL college under their belt and have to take a test like Highschool kids do to graduate! Oh and a Drug test also. Every year or unannounced like they can do to firefighters or other public servants. We need to weed out the crazy and uneducated...and lose the money influence. Any one should be able to run for Congress not just someone who has "money".

      And they should not be making frivolous laws based on Religion and ALEC!

      We need to get that going for the new crop in 14 coming.

    2. Anonymous6:44 PM

      Opps my bad, I thought b/c of "The Stupid" Shadrack was a Congressperson but no, he a SENATOR?

  14. Anonymous5:59 AM

    Does AL Senator ShadDICK ASSHAT realize that if his bill passes, it also means a monthly bill for tampon/Kotex pad funerals? After all, we don't just dispose of "people" in the trash can, and we don't allow burial in the backyard, like we do for pets. So every fertilized egg will then need a death certificate, right? And proper burial, with a headstone - and last time I checked, that was about $1000 per. This oughta be good when someone tells him. Check to see if he's been funded by teh cemetery lobby.

    1. Leland7:22 AM

      Don't forget about the cost of having to examine each and every one of those things to determine if there IS one there!

    2. Jesus Weeps7:31 AM

      ROFLMAO! Good point!

  15. Anonymous6:10 AM

    This idea to limit the odds of fertilization of viable embryo still contingent to implant is going way too far.

    Why did no one preach that Bristol Palin give Tripp up for adoption so he would have two parents? Why doesn't Paul Ryan have many more children like Catholic families did pre birth control pill? I find these self appointed spokesmen for God imposing their interpretations on others but rules are different for them.

  16. Anonymous6:14 AM

    "...did you know that it's a $250K fine for destroying an Eagle egg?"

    But it's only a Five dollar fine in his town in Alabama for fucking a chicken, unless you own it. Then it's free, and people will pay a dollar just to watch. You oughta see em go at it at the farmers market on Saturday mornings after payday on Fridays. Yeee-haaa!!! Hey Shatrack, lookit that one. Hell, she'd be worth $10, he'll maybe $20!

    Somebody musta told ole Shadrack that this is where them 'Chicken-Hawks' come from...

  17. Virginia Voter6:17 AM

    Who even thinks about this shit? Something is seriously wrong with this dude if his preoccupation is with other peoples fertilized eggs. You know, I get it, I mean the ultimate goal for these extremists is to get the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade, but this is ridiculous, even for Alabama.

  18. Anonymous6:20 AM

    Before he dropped out in the 8th grade, Shadrack aced a test on reproduction in his home-skoolin biology class, so he's the town expert on medical matters, and legal too, cuz he's seen all of the old Perry Mason reruns.

    A pillar in the community and a fine public servant, old Shadrack is. He could be on Fox News one day. Cuz he knows his shit.

  19. Anonymous6:26 AM

    Dude looks like he's coming off a 3-day drunk or something. Or he's been staying up late every night this week down at the revival tent, handling snakes and helping cast out demons and collecting tithes. The lord's work is never done. Until the congregation is completely broke. Then it's time to pull up stakes and head to the next town. So sayeth Shadrack, the eagle egg expert.

  20. These religious nutcases don't belong in elected positions. What don't they understand about the separation of church and state? I do no want to live under a Christian Theoracy any more than I do under an Islamanic Theoracy. Vote these people out!!! Oh, wait...Alabama. Never mind.

    1. Leland7:24 AM

      Sorry, but they're in DC, too!

  21. WakeUpAmerica8:08 AM

    If there were a hell! Deluded maroon.

  22. Jesus Weeps8:12 AM

    Mandatory vasectomies of all males shortly after birth. Problem solved.

  23. Anonymous8:45 AM

    “So my question concerning aborted babies is, where do they go, heaven or hell? I just want to know what [people’s] perspective is.”

    Well, just a guess, you know, but the souls of aborted babies go to exactly the same place as those that are aborted naturally by women's bodies.

    Meanwhile, it's always important to bring reality to these discussions. Like, maybe, discuss issues with real consequences. For example, whether it is morally acceptable to force a 12 year old rape victim to carry the baby to term and birth it.

  24. Anonymous9:15 AM

    OMG! The last paragraph is hysterical!

    One Million Moms Are Pretty Fucking Tired Of Your Filthy Fucking Mouth

    One Million Moms (which is not really one million moms but instead is a mailing list of a few thousand Jesus ladies who take time out from reading 50 Shades of Grey while sitting on their warm and vibrate-y running dryers to write occasional emails to various corporations accusing them of making lesbians of us all or promoting hot walrus sex) is very upset with CBS for ruining a perfectly lovely evening of watching large men gang-slamming their hot sweaty muscular bodies against each in an orgy of manhood and kick-ass city bragging rights and Jesus.

    Are they taking about that hootchie-momma Beyoncé, who should put on a nice mid-calf length dress and maybe some sensible flats and stop strutting and stomping around like a Godless-whore strumpet, because she IS A MOTHER, FER G-WD’S SAKE? Not this time, because, were it not for visions of Beyoncé booty-dancing in their heads, One Million Dads would be unable to achieve a Godly boner when presented with the Weekly Saturday Night Flannel Nightgown of Seduction, Unsatisfactory Sex, Unrequited Needs, and Shame.

    No, the One Mil Moms are email-fucking CBS because they failed to stop Joe Flacco (the one player on the Ravens whom we are pretty sure has never murdered anyone… yet) from dropping an “f-bomb” on TV and now, ever since Sunday night, every time mommy catches 6-year old Tiffany Elizabeth Grace Katniss Bella Rose playing in mommy’s make-up, the adorable little tow-headed moppet just snarls “Mind your own fucking business, you stupid drunken twat”

    and now she will probably grow up to be a meth-addicted stripper who dresses like a total whore and has buttsex with an endless series of black men until one day she wakes up and realizes that not only does she have seven kids by seven different men, but also that she has just been elected governor of Alaska.

    So, nice going CBS, you fucking assholes…

  25. Anonymous10:27 AM

    Well then.... pregnant women should be able to vote twice, once for themselves and one for baby.

    1. Anita Winecooler7:39 PM

      THAT'S their agenda and ultimate goal, with one caveat, WHITE pregnant women get two votes.

  26. Anonymous11:13 AM

    Why The GOP Is On The Verge Of A Major Obamacare Concession

    Remember, President Obama plays a LONG game...

  27. Anonymous12:41 PM

    Idiots..... Life begins in the scrotum. Sperm are living, self propelling beings. They battle over eggs because inside of the egg is the only place they can grow to reach their full potential. One out of 300 million or so will win the battle/lottery and get the chance to grow into a full fledged human. The rest will die. Somewhere between a quarter to a half of of all fertilized eggs will be mis-carried, in other words, die. God or whatever you believe in doesn't care about unborn beings dying. It's all part of the system.

    1. Anonymous6:12 PM

      And what about those cast on a rock instead of "The belly of a whore"?

      Its time for "Every sperm is sacred" again.....
      all you tweeters you know what to do! ☺

    2. Anita Winecooler7:46 PM

      You beat me to it. My idea was that every single sperm that leaves the man's body and doesn't fertilize an egg would lead to jail time.

      To quote a famous Republican Candidate for
      President/hedge fund manager/business flipper and ex Mormon Bishop:

      "What's SAUCE for the Goose is SAUCE for the Gander"

  28. our lad1:13 PM

    Hey, before you start holding forth about conception and birth and life and death and so forth you have to have AT LEAST GOTTEN LAID. Dickbrain.

  29. Anonymous1:19 PM

    1) Obviously the parents were planning for two more boys to round out the set with Meshach and Abednego;


    2) This is why Dear Hubby continually mutters under his breath, "I can't wait for the f^$&ing meteor...."

    1. Anonymous3:00 PM

      No kidding. I'm in hubby's camp when too many of these pop up for me to do my whack-a-mole on all of them. I guess I need a bigger mallet or more like-minded friends with their own mallets.


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