Courtesy of Mediaite:
While guesting on Washington Watch Monday afternoon, FRC senior fellow Pat Fagan argued that the 1972 Supreme Court court case Eisenstadt v. Baird, which overturned a Massachusetts law banning the distribution of contraceptives to unmarried people, is quite possibly “the single most destructive decision in the history of the Court.”
Fagan was accompanied by ever-so-thoughtful evangelist and FRC head Tony Perkins.
In Fagan’s mind, that Court decision effectively told all single people that they have “the right to engage in sexual intercourse.” Never mind the fact that, well, they kind of do have the right — you know, consenting adults and whatnot — because Fagan remembers when society used to have laws forbidding such sin.
“Society never gave young people that right,” he continued. “Functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever. The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.”
By giving an implicit seal of approval on premarital sex, Fagan said, the Court was “brushing aside millennia, thousands and thousands of years of wisdom, tradition, culture and setting in motion what we have.”
“Functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever." That may be perhaps the most honest description for the function of religion that I have ever read.
By the way, the "thousands and thousands of years" he is referring to, is thousands and thousands of years of the Christian oppression of human sexuality. Not "wisdom." The entire religion is essentially set up to police the sexual conduct of human beings.
Just ask the Hawaiian people, or native Americans. They were people whose sexuality was as open and natural to them as eating or breathing. That is until they were introduced to the idea of shame, and were told that every terrible thing that befell them in life was the direct result of their "sins against God." And those sins were more often than not of a sexual nature.
The idea that the most basic function of humankind, our sexuality, is something that these people feel they have the right to control, is to me repugnant and, dare I say it, evil.
The thing that Christianity fears the most is sex. Especially the sexuality of females.
Do you think they persecuted women as witches because they thought they were agents of Satan?
Fuck no, they persecuted them because their feared the power of the feminine, and they wanted to crush ANY sexuality not given the stamp of approval by the church. That goes for unmarried sex, gay sex, and, for quite a long time, sex between the races or between Christians and other religious faiths. Regardless of whether they were legally married or not.
Our most primitive religions were based either predominantly on the female deity, or the worship was spread evenly between male and female gods. Simply put, Christianity could not abide that.
Just imagine how different, how much more free, our country could have been without these puritanical sexual standards having been used to oppress us for lo these many years.
Morality is not determined by the church you attend nor the faith you embrace. It is determined by the quality of your character and the positive impact you have on those you meet along your journey
Thursday, March 14, 2013
Family Research Council senior fellow on allowing single people to have sex: “Functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever."
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FRC is the clown college of think tanks.
ReplyDeleteClowns, yes. College? Hardly. Think Tank? No thinking, just believe. Oh, and do as told. And did I say "No fucking?" Yes, I did. Quit thinking about fucking; that's just as bad, according to FRC. I've heard these types of asswipes playing their holier than thou game, and just when they lay it on just a little too thick and heavy, their own world caves in and the truth about their lives comes out: Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart , Paul Crouch, Ted Haggard, Peter Popoff (what a name-should've known), Robert Tilton, Kent Hovind, Juanita Bynum & Thomas Weeks, Marcus Lamb, Eddie Long...
DeleteThat's all that come to mind, but there are hundreds more that are busted every year, solidlciting their gay prostitutes, occasionally a "prayer partner's" wife or kids or both, buying and using meth, etc. and scamming their flocks to spend on their personally lavish lifestyles.
So fuck FRC. Before the point a finger at anyone else, they need to give a little oversight and counsel to their own. And shut the fuck up with this American Taliban control nonsense. Oh yeah, just thought of a couple more: Oral "I need $6 million or God is going to kill me" Roberts, and his son Richard Roberts who the Bd of Directors fired from ORU for using ithW college as his personal slush fund, Richard's wife who was calling troubled teen boys at 1:30 am and having them come over so she could counsel them, and in return for letting her "counsel" them, she paid their cell phone bills---thousands of dollars a month. She was doing her some counseling, for damn sure. Screw all of these pretenders. Those who preach the loudest are doing the most evil, wicked crimes, as history has taught those who have learned to think.
"Functioning societies..stop it..punish it..."
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, Islamic society is your role model?
Get a life fundy, and stay out of mine!
What the frack?
ReplyDeleteIs that their libertarian philosophy where they stay out of one another's way and avoid infringing upon someone else's rights? Or is that the good old America-loving, patriotic conservative version where we love our freedoms and hate for the government to meddle in our private lives?
ReplyDeleteBecause to me, it sounds more like the fucking soup Nazis of sex. No sex for you today! Go to the back of the line. No sex got you either!!! Nobody gonna have any sex today. The sex Nazi not gonna let you have any.
Every one of those assholes at Family Research Council are just a bunch of trolls - Tony Perkins, Bryan Fisher, and now this whack job whose name I don't even want to know. And I'll bet there's many more of these in their organization.
They're worse than any crazy religious zealots I've ever heard about. Bunch of idiots. Just who the fuck do they think they are? Thanks for the missionary position, guys. That's about all you guys have figured out. Wait until you catch your daughter doing that reverse cowgirl move, and that's just getting started, you fascist fuck face fool. Nice alliteration there, huh?
OK, so tell me: what's a reverse cowgirl move? I've never heard that term and at my age I thought I had heard them all.
DeleteLove the alliteration!
I think 'reverse cowgirl' is what Bristol was doing on that bull.
DeleteBalzafiar, it's the woman on top, facing the man's feet!
DeleteThe sex Nazi's...I love that!
DeleteBalzaciar, I'm not sure you want ME to show you, but with a volunteer from the audience, who's read the same Kama sutra book that I bought my girlfriend about 4 years ago, i think i can wing it on about a third of it from memory. We almosr never got through the entire book---she wanted to stay on page 45 forever (I'm talking like for months), so I think she tipped me to her favorite. I'm so agreeable and eager to please usually, but we had to move on the next one or we'd never finish the book. Then, I got stuck on the crouching tiger, and it was me that wanted everyday to be like in the movie Groundhog Day.
DeleteGoogle any of these and then "hold on!" lol
And thanks for the encouragement with my alliterative skills. Usually I bog down at 3 words, and then start repeating myself, especially in the F's. Fortunately, the F word is so versatile, it can be used for every part of speech with a little imagination and enough alcohol.
Where did this nut job come from?
ReplyDeleteProbably the old fashioned way, premarital steuping in a tent with alcohol.
DeleteAnd then there was Gary Aldridge of Montgomery, AL, who served as pastor of Thorington Road Baptist Church for 16 years (1991-2007), prior to his accidental death by asphyxiation, in which State Police ruled out foul play.
DeleteJust goes to prove that most accidents happen at home, and can happen when you least expect them, like when you're just having a nice time engaging in auto-erotica while wearing TWO diving wetsuits, face mask, headmask, diving gloves and slippers, and rubberized underwear, with vibrating dildo inserted up your ass. It must've been on a Thursday or Friday, his days off. Don't tell me those Southern Baptists don't know how to party.
One detail omitted about Pastor Gary Aldridge's final diving excursion. The dildo in his ass when he expired was in a condom. That proves it was all on the up-and-up, since he was practicing safe sex when he expired.
DeleteThis is oh so true.....damn it to hell. The native american indians had no problems with gay people and they worshipped the animals and land as a gift. There were strong moral laws that took care of everyone in the tribe...esp the elders were revered for their wisdom. I imagine the Hawaiians, like the Plain Indians and the Eskimos had a great and kind version of spirituality until our missionaries ruined it with God. That is not to say there weren't wars or aggression, but it seems their agenda was more pure. The witches burned because they were midwives and the "male doctors" wouldn't have any of that taking away from their power, esp delivering babies. When you think about it...men have used fear of God to elevate themselves throughout history. The Catholic religion is like this huge ponzi scheme and it is amazing to me how millions believe.
ReplyDeleteI look at all this Papal election stuff, at the ostentatious display of wealth in the Vatican, at the men running around in robes playing at...something.
DeleteThey are just weird.
Weird how they retired that one weird guy, so that they could get some good press for a couple of weeks.
DeleteThen they replaced him with another weird guy.
I getcha Balzafiar, however, being a born and bred Atheist it ALL seems weird to me, not just the papist stuff.
DeleteSharon @ 10:52
DeleteI don't know about Eskimos, but I'm sure at least some of the Plains Indian tribes practiced human sacrifice, as did the natives of Central and South America.
There's a tendency to generalize about the peaceful and noble nature of past cultures and religions, and to demonize present-day faiths, especially the most vocal and visible ones. It's best to take a more balanced view based on reason rather than emotion.
Taliban without the turban.
ReplyDeleteGood line and oh so true.
Delete"Make Love Not War."
ReplyDeleteMan Kills Himself At Gun Safety Class In Washington State
ReplyDeleteA 50-year-old man reportedly shot and killed himself Sunday during a gun safety class at a gun range in Bellevue, Wash.
According to The Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Brian Parry shot himself in the head with a pistol during a class at West Coat Armory, a gun range and gun store in Bellevue. The newspaper also reported that several children witnessed the incident.
Bellevue police are investigating the shooting but have not released details. Earlier this week, the King County Medical Examiner’s Office ruled Parry’s death a suicide.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/man-kills-himself-at-gun-safety-class-in?ref=fpa
Wonder what tradition and culture he comes from. I am from a long line of naughty-by-his-definition ladies.
ReplyDeleteFUCK 'EM!
ReplyDelete(Oh, there are SO many entendres in that!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dang Bristol. According to your mom's buddies at FRC, you, your mom and grandma should've been 'shepherded' a little better...
ReplyDeleteThey are sounding more and more like the Taliban.
ReplyDeleteI sure would like him to say that to one Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, Mama Heath, et al.
ReplyDeleteChristianity is the Great White Plague on this earth. Cancer of the soul.
ReplyDeleteBut don't forget: Judaism, Christianity, AND Islam all come from the same root: Middle East agricultural societies who all were and still are severely patriarchal.
thing is, men were the hunters and agriculture was the women's contribution. In many societies it stayed matriarchal for a long time for just that reason.
DeletePerhaps men began to feel threatened when agriculture took on a more permanent form of food supply?
Leading by Example: First Lady Michelle Obama
ReplyDeletehttp://www.vogue.com/magazine/article/michelle-obama-leading-by-example/#1
These christo-Nazis need to get the fuck out of our lives.
ReplyDeleteWhat the Hell do they see in us?
DeleteI ask idiot Fagan to NAME this fictional functioning society that has successfully shamed and banished sex for the 'un-entitled'.
ReplyDeleteFrankly most of us aren't a bit surprised that the attempts to institute their own brand of 'sharia law' in this country would come from the likes of the repressed and fascist brotherhood over at FRC.
Will any of the Palins tweet their protest over his dissing their way of life???
The name of the society? Makeshitupistan, the capital city of Pullingitoutmyassachusettes.
DeleteThese folks are utterly nuts. Don't hurt their heads asking for facts!
It also allowed Christian institutions to exploit slave labor out of pregnant girls and women, and sell their babies.
ReplyDeleteHe's a dirty birdy.
ReplyDeleteI thought these idiots wanted to get government out of their lives.
ReplyDeleteAnd who is featured on their home page as guests? Non other than Rand Paul, Ted Cruz,Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee. Kind of says it all, don't ya think?
DeleteWonder how he feels about masturbation?
ReplyDeleteAs long as he's got an audience, I'm sure he's willing if you'll tell him what you're wearing...
DeleteMasturbation is evil and sinful!!! So honey, you better help take care of this thing for me.
DeleteThank you, Gryphen, for having the courage to say what needs to be said.
ReplyDeleteThese guys just make me wanna go all like Samuel L. Jackson in Snakes on a Plane! Why won't they just go away, and leave us alone? If we want to go to Hell, isn't that our own business? Doesn't that just leave more room in Heaven for them?
I'd like to know what his "functioning societies" are. Lots of married people have sought sex outside the home since time immemorial. Perhaps not a good idea but I cannot imagine any "functioning" society that does not have its underside. It's a question of human nature.
ReplyDeleteBeaglemom
His "functioning society" is just code for a little-c christian circle jerk. If a catholic priest joins in the binge, he's the pivot man in the middle with his holy rosy-palm swivel stroke. That functioning society is not for amateurs.
DeleteThese extreme right 'supposed religious' men are assholes! I'll wager that they don't have a clue how to pleasure their wives or girlfriends. It would be all about them and their pleasures. They see women as objects and use them accordingly.
ReplyDeleteHow a woman would marry the likes of this guy (and those like him) amazes me. Wanna bet this particular guy is a control freak?
Gryphen, I'm afraid I have to agree with our conservative friend here. Especially if, "by whatever", he includes the Big Three defenders of chastity and I'm pretty darn sure he does.
ReplyDeleteOf course, by "Big Three" I mean Whipping, Stoning and Beheading. Nothing discourages sexual activity like the threat of one or more of the Big Three. And, of course part deux: the Big Three really work best when applied exclusively to the female participants in your fornication, your debauchery and your non-legitimate rape. I mean, c'mon.. wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean... boys will boys even under the threat of beheading, but girls actually respond very nicely to it. At least, they never seem to repeat the offense once punished.
So, in conclusion, as a card carrying Conservative Hypocrite, I support absolute freedom (except sexual and reproductive freedom, obviously. Basically, just absolute firearms freedom), uncompromising opposition to barbaric Sharia law, and complete support for liberal - there's that word again! - application of the Big Three punishments to female fornicators.
There. I think that just about covers it. Any questions?
Bravo! (The one at 2:56 was meant for your comment)
DeleteWho is going to take one for the team and give this man the blow job he so desperately needs?
ReplyDeleteMaybe both the Bachmanns are free... Of course they will be 'down-sizing' from the corndog size they prefer.
DeleteI wonder which woman in his "civilized society" picked him for a husband?
ReplyDeleteWhat? He's a widower?
Drop the beads, Bristol, you're prayers have been answered!!!
Bravo!
ReplyDeleteFascism masquerading as Christianity.
ReplyDeleteMore of this. www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/14/baptist-pastor-sex-with-underage-girl-is-exactly-what-christ-desires/
ReplyDelete"The former pastor of an Indiana megachurch who is awaiting sentencing in a sex crimes case told a 17-year-old girl that Jesus wanted her to have sexual relations with him.
Federal prosecutors on Wednesday released letters in which former First Baptist Church pastor Jack Schaap explained that the underage girl should have sex with him because it was part of God’s plan.
“In our ‘fantasy talk,’ you have affectionately spoken of being ‘my wife,’” Schaap wrote to the girl. “That is exactly what Christ desires for us. He wants to marry us + become eternal lovers!”"
Yes, Dearie, Jesus wanted to make passionate but tender sweet love to you... But he had to make a bar mitzvah, and asked me to stand in for him and for me to tell him all about it when we talk later.
Delete"What's a bar mitzvah, you ask? Oh honey, it's just a Jewish thing. I'll tell you all about it if you'll just kneel down there and put your nose in that little circle on the floor right there. Yes, Jesus will be very happy with you."
Regarding the Vatican:
ReplyDeleteNews broke a couple of days ago regarding the Vatican's purchase of a block of property to house Cardinal Ivan Dias, the head of the congregation for the evangelization of peoples and 18 other priests. Included in the purchase is the Europa Multiclub, Europe's largest gay sauna, which is located just a few yards away. How's that for convenience? Not that there's anything wrong with that. Dias is known as "the Prince of the Church", and was one of those who met and voted for the new Pope. Dias is also a social conservative who believes that sinners can pray away the gay or lesbianism. No official word on the bi's, trannies, or other orientations Just don't preach down to others who are living their lives the way they choose, or you might not get to relax in the sauna without getting called out, mister cardinal.