Courtesy of ABC News:
Four members of the six-woman jury that found George Zimmerman not guilty of second degree murder and manslaughter in the killing of Trayvon Martin said today they do not share the opinions that a fifth juror in the case expressed in a TV interview.
A juror identified only by her anonymous court ID of B37 and her face and body hidden in deep shadow said Monday on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, "AC360," that she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch.
Four other jurors, identified only by their court numbers -- B-51, B-76, E-6, and E-40 -- tonight released a statement through the Florida Eighteenth Judicial Circuit Court, distancing themselves from B37's remarks.
"We, the undersigned jurors, understand there is a great deal of interest in this case. But we ask you to remember that we are not public officials and we did not invite this type of attention into our lives," they said. "We also wish to point out that the opinions of Juror B-37, expressed on the Anderson Cooper show were her own, and not in any way representative of the jurors listed below."
They indicated that reaching the not guilty verdict, which has ignited a storm of criticism and sparked protests in cities across the country, was not an easy decision.
"Serving on this jury has been a highly emotional and physically draining experience for each of us," they wrote. "The death of a teenager weighed heavily on our hearts but in the end we did what the law required us to do. We appeal to the highest standards of your profession and ask the media to respect our privacy and give us time to process what we have been through."
You know the more I think about this case, especially after the revelations from this one big mouth juror that in the first vote during deliberations it was 3 not guilty; 2 manslaughter; 1 second-degree murder, the more I think that there was pressure put on the other half of the jury and that THIS juror in particular knew from the get go that she wanted Zimmerman to get off, and was probably already planning her media blitz and book writing gig.
You know we give a lot of credence to the idea of "a jury of our peers" but think about who those "peers" are for a minute. They are usually twelve, in this case six, people who either could not find a way to get out of jury duty or who want to be jurors. They are usually elderly, and in big cases Luddites who don't watch much television or surf the internet.
So we put these elderly, unimaginative, uninformed individuals in a room and tell them to determine justice. All it takes is one strong willed juror, who refuses to change their mind, to wear down the rest, who only want to finally go home, and eventually you either get the verdict that the one has wanted all along or you get a hung jury and the process starts all over again.
I heard a prosecutor the other day say that "if you are an innocent person you want a trial in front of a judge, but if you are guilty you want on in front of a jury, because they are unpredictable."
Big mouth B37 should have never been on that jury in the first place. I highly doubt she didn't discuss everything nightly with her LAWYER husband.
ReplyDeleteThis juror obviously had an agenda since within 24 hours she had a book deal. It would not surprise me at all that she was pressuring the others to go along with her decision to acquit. She struck me as very opinionated and also not very knowledgeable outside of her own little world. The fact that her husband is an attorney and he was also in on the book deal is also problematic to me.
ReplyDeleteI don't blame the other jurors for wanting to separate themselves from her and it is very telling that there were problems in the jury room.
I do not see how she made it past voir dire.
my understanding is the book deal was signed the day she was chosen as a juror
DeleteIt seems to me that she is a "tainted" juror and that the verdict should be nullified and a new trial called. Something very fishy about this whole thing.
DeleteIt sounds like she lied under oath during voir dire, which means she should be facing charges of contempt of court. I also wonder if her husband should face disbarment for coaching her on how to lie to get on the jury in order to profit from it.
Delete... tainted and VERY fishy... I agree.
DeleteA trial in another location would probably have avoided some problems, if not of fact, but at least of image.
I do not usually see mention of the fact that Sanford Maximum Security Prison is where convicted killers are sent to die. The town would not be financially viable if it were not for the prison in that location.
I shall leave it at that.
For the sake of the Martin family, this juror was totally insensitive to agree to do this interview so quickly after the verdict, and stand by Zimmerman's story. She was so anxious to cash in somehow. I would bet the other jurors were fuming when they heard the interview, where she was revealing how many were for manslaughter on for 2nd degree murder
ReplyDeleteThere were only 6 jurors. It would be easy for someone to investigate who they were and identify them and put them on media trial, especially those who were considering manslaughter and 2nd degree.
She probably may have been the appointed captain of the team - and very well could have tried to sway them towards the defense. You know what happens when women get in a room together, there's always the bossy one that wants to be in charge. And I'm a woman. My experience is that working with a room full of women turns into a catfight with one always in competition mode. Juries should always have mixed juries, to keep the operation from being dominated by one control-freak. And there should never be just 6.
I find that comment rather sexist. It sounds like something Phyllis Schlafly would say. Do you think that when a group of men get together one of them doesn't get bossy and want to dominate? Women are bigger bullies than men? That women need a man around to keep us in line because we can't be rational otherwise? If only a man had been on this jury justice would have been better served? How many men were on the O.J. Simpson jury?
DeleteI've been summoned for jury duty next week. And if I get picked, it won't be because I'm too stupid to avoid it. It is my duty as a citizen.
ReplyDeleteYou are so right. Along with voting, it's one of the most important roles we have.
DeleteI would love to do jury duty. Amazingly, I've only been called once and they filled the jury before they got to me. But, I don't think I'd ever actually get seated because of my profession. I think it would be fascinating.
However, it is often attorneys who avoid choosing educated jurors.
DeleteThere was also the jury instruction of manslaughter that included death in the course of inadvertent combat. I think that may have been behind the jurors' request for an explanation. B37 needs to buzz off.
ReplyDeleteLiz Cheney Senate Run Sparks Instant Laughfest On Twitter
ReplyDelete...Cheney’s embarrassingly low-budget video announcement makes clear she is ill-equipped to run a top-notch Senate bid (I had to use an audio amplifier program just to hear her properly, and the video could not be more boring.)
And her video makes clear her positions: Liz Cheney is running on a “religious liberties,” “family values,” extreme anti-Obama platform. How original.
Take a look, count the fabrications:
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/look-liz-cheney-announces-run-for-senate-twitter-explodes-in-hysterics/politics/2013/07/16/71175
Gryphen, I luv ya, but I think you're way off base essentially calling jurors too old and stupid to get out of jury duty. I've been called 3 times over the years - Once for a federal grand jury that lasted a YEAR. Thank goodness I was not picked for that one. I was picked for the petit jury 6 months ago. I had to call every other day for TWO months to see if my number was up. I consider it my civic duty to serve. Is it an inconvenience? You bet! I was not happy about it, but I understand it's my duty. I am neither old nor stupid, and I am employed.
ReplyDeleteI think the juror who went on tv was a douche bag. Unfortunately, there are a few of them who ARE our peers!
I hear you and I agree that there are some very good and decent people on these juries, but I also have come to realize that, for high profile cases at least, they do not always get people who are well informed and engaged, which I think really does impact the ability to get real justice.
DeleteHowever I of course welcome opinions that contradict my own.
get rid of your land line phone and you won't get called
Deletethey used to choose jury prospects from voting rolls, but now it's simply the phone company
nada. driver's license in my state.
DeleteAnon 8:46, that might be true in some places, but I got called three times in seven years, and I never had a land line during that time.
DeleteThe one time I got to voir dire, I think I almost gave the defense attorney an aneurysm. My brother is a cop, and between his stories and my own experience of a crime similar to the one being tried, I was convinced the defendant had to be guilty. I was honest about my lack of objectivity, although I think the judge suspected I was being outrageous just to get out of serving.
You can always try Liz Lemons excuse:
DeleteI'm a hologram.
(But she still got picked! :)
I live in Florida, so I can tell you that here they call people for jury duty by Driver's License/State ID. Also, if you are over a certain age, (I think it's 70, it's been a couple of years since my last summons notice), it's an automatic "get out of jury duty free card."
DeleteI would like to know how six women constitute a jury of his peers. How did they end up with no men on the jury and why?
ReplyDeleteAnd wasn't it six white women? The prosecutors really goofed on that one.
DeleteWhite Floridians.
DeleteI'm a white mother and my heart is broken over the outcome.
@951a nails it. A white woman is likely to be a white mother, and it is not unreasonable to expect such a person to feel a measure of sympathy for such a young victim. I looked at pictures of Trayvon and could see my own sons in his face. Black, white, green: to any mother not totally blinded by prejudice, a kid is a kid. But the level of prejudice in the south, including much of Florida, is staggering. If you think the Civil War was over some time ago, you haven't spent time in the south lately.
Delete-mathgeek
Strongly agree with above comments! I served on two juries, and was appalled by the lack of simple critical thinking skills on each jury panel.
ReplyDeleteEvidence-? What evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence!
Often there is at least one bossy person who will push hard for their own agenda. After serving the first time, I had nightmares about being framed and tried by a bunch of ignorant yahoos.
For a good read on how a thoughtful jury process should work, I would recommend "Jury Woman, The Story of the Angela Y. Davis Trial" by Mary Timothy, 1976. Definitely NOT written to get a fast buck.
Please consider it your duty as a citizen to serve! Also, too, your employer is not allowed to press you to avoid jury duty.
Wild Tortoise
Though most of the scrutiny in this case has been focused on race and now the questionable legal process, in the end, isn't this really a classic case of gun violence in America? I mean, why has the NRA been so silent through all of this? Especially since they have been so vocal about gun rights up until a few months ago.
ReplyDeleteYou would think that after the tragic killing of so many children in the Newtown shooting the NRA might show some compassion, instead they were all over the press championing gun rights and convincing teabaggers that the government was trying to take away their guns. With a rash of stories about children being killed in accidental shootings, the NRA remained adamant and vocal about gun rights and protecting the second amendment. And yet in this very high profile shooting case of Trayon Martin, the NRA has been pretty silent.
I think it is because this case is so typical of the type of gun violence that causes the deaths of thousands of people every year. This is the type of shooting that the NRA doesn't want you to think about. They can dismiss the Newtown massacre as an aberration and the accidental shootings as individual cases of inattention to safety rules, but George Zimmerman is much more typical of everyday gun violence.
Most shootings are unplanned, heat of the moment situations that would not have happened had a gun not been present. George Zimmerman would never have engaged Trayon Martin mano a mano. Without all the focus on race, this would be just another shooting - the kind that happens every day in our country. The kind of shooting that the NRA doesn't want to call attention to and that the press doesn't cover because it lacks sensationalism. All the attention on race deflects from the issue of gun control for the NRA and increases viewership for the press.
George Zimmerman was the kind of guy typical of the gun owners we fear - an insecure guy who needs a gun to feel like a man and whose imagination will rationalize a reason to shoot it. Of course the death of an innocent teenager is a tragedy and the shooter may have been a racist, but the real issue is still gun violence in America.
But the deep-seated racism in this country sure helped those jurors (especially B37, to go along with Georgie's rationalization "Big scary, black dude"
Deletethe NRA funded Zimmerman's defense, they are not exactly neutral.
DeleteShe makes it very clear that much of her thinking related to her projecting on to Trayvon Martin her understanding of his intent. Nobody knows his intent and for all we know, he was trying to get away and Zimmerman jumped him. Rather than "following the law" she was making the law up.
ReplyDeleteBetween George Zimmerman and Casey Anthony, I do not have a high opinion of Florida juries. If you're going to kill someone, evidently Florida is the place to do it.
ReplyDelete--No offense to the intelligent people of Florida--I know you're out there, and I actually plan to move to Fla as soon as I can afford it. I just don't think y'all have the country's best juries. ;)
Ijust spoke with a dear friend to move to Florida with his wife from Los Angeles
Deletehe is an intelligent Filmmaker but Los Angeles proved too expensive and Florida he said had a great quality of life
I must have mentioned what I thought of the intelligence of people in Florida and my friend did reply that he had met some intelligent people but not many
he said it seems by default that someplace like Los Angeles has people flock there because they are motivated and intelligent and they want to make something of themselves
Florida he said however, the majority of the people he met were not very smart.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but was there ever any explanation for why Martin may have attacked Zimmerman?
ReplyDeleteIn other words, he was going about his business, walking in the dark, in the rain, trying to find where he was going in an unfamiliar housing development, when he realized that he was being followed.
It doesn't really make sense that he'd stop, turn around, and then light into Zimmerman without some provocation.
For instance, Zimmerman may well have said something to him, something obnoxious and racist, that Martin felt he couldn't just walk away from.
Zimmerman instigated the entire event, even if he didn't say something, but my gut tells me that he insulted Martin to such an extent that he was asking for a confrontation.
And, of course, he alone knew that he had a gun, so he was taunting an unarmed man into a fight Zimmerman knew he could win.
Since he wouldn't testify, we'll never know what happened.
~~~~~~~
I'm called for jury duty every couple of years, and have sat on a jury twice. It is an inconvenience, but an essential part of living in a democratic society.
I'd like to think that someone like me would be on a jury if I were ever tried for some crime (can't imagine that it would happen, but who knows?).
Last summer, I was on a six-person jury, all women, and I can say that it wasn't pleasant. Remember that there was a time in the not-too-distant-past when women weren't on juries, or could be excused solely because they were women. So, there's that side of it. But my jury wanted to get out before lunch, because they were being paid by their employers for the whole day and wanted to go shopping. We made a compromise, but two of the women were really nasty and domineering. I can't say if it wouldn't have been the same with a mixed jury. But it happens.
Elderly, uninformed, unimaginative? Gryph, just because somebody is elderly, doesn't make them uninformed or unimaginative, and you don't know enough about these women to make that call.
ReplyDeleteI think given the laws of Florida the verdict was inevitable. Morally wrong, but inevitable. I wish I could believe that Zimmerman is smart enough not to kill again, but my hunch is telling me that he will... within the next five years, and probably around the two-year mark. Just a hunch. Why not? He got away with it, and he's a violent man.
Ivyfree
I am not equating elderly with being uninformed, I am saying that it is often a combination of the two that end up on high profile juries.
DeleteIf the Zimmerman jurors had been following the case on the internet for instance they would never have been selected.
Ivyfree -
DeleteZimmerman has a history of violent behavior and uncontrolled anger. No doubt he is even more arrogant now that he has gone unpunished for this crime. It is inevitable that he will lose control again and hurt or kill another person.
And the people involved in this trial will have to live with that on their conscience forever.
In my early 30's, I was a juror on a first degree murder trial. It wasn't a high profile trial, but we were sequestered for part of the trial. The relatively traumatic experience shattered all my illusions about our justice system and especially that exalted bedrock of the system, "trial by jury." I came away thoroughly convinced that if I ever ended up as a defendant, I would NEVER choose a trial by jury.
ReplyDeleteHere's The Questionnaire Lawyers Used To Pick The George Zimmerman Jury
ReplyDeletehttp://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-juror-questions-2013-7
Rush Limbaugh Gives Himself Permission to Use the N Word
ReplyDeleteAt last he’s free
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42276_Rush_Limbaugh_Gives_Himself_Permission_to_Use_the_N_Word
Zimmerman Was Innocent Until Proven Guilty. Trayvon, Like All Black Men, Was Not.
ReplyDeletehttp://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/zimmerman-was-innocent-until-proven-guilty-trayvon-like-all-black-men-was-not/
WATCH: Rush Limbaugh Insists He Can Say “Nigga” Without Being Racist
ReplyDeletehttp://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/watch-rush-limbaugh-insists-he-can-say-nigga-without-being-racist/
The NAACP, the nation’s oldest civil rights organization, saw a massive, instant response to a petition Saturday night urging the Department of Justice to open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman, who was cleared of all criminal charges in the shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
ReplyDeleteThe petition gained more than 275,000 signatures overnight, NAACP spokesman Eric Wingerter told BuzzFeed Sunday afternoon.
The appeal asks Attorney General Eric Holder to “address the travesties of the tragic death of Trayvon Martin by acting today” and press civil rights charges against Zimmerman, who shot an unarmed Martin last February in what he said was an act of self-defense.
“The Department of Justice has closely monitored the State of Florida’s prosecution of the case against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin murder since it began,” the petition reads.
“The most fundamental of civil rights — the right to life — was violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin,” the appeal goes on. “We ask that the Department of Justice file civil rights charges against Mr. Zimmerman for this egregious violation.”
The NAACP, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, posted the petition around 10:30 p.m., just a half an hour after the Florida jury reached its not-guilty verdict in the Zimmerman trial. Within the first hour of its publication online, the petition garnered 57,600 signatures, according to Wingerter.
In his own statement earlier Saturday evening, NAACP President Benjamin Jealous said the group was “outraged and heartbroken over today’s verdict.”
“We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed,” Jealous said.
Wingerter said the organization will keep its tech support team “up through the night” monitoring the high traffic on the website and petition.
The full text of the petition reads as follows:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/more-than-55000-people-have-already-signed-naacp-call-for-ci
http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition?source=GZnotguiltyshareFB&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=GZnotguiltyshareFB&utm_content=share
O/T Guess Who Turned 19?
ReplyDeletepictures from Brissy. She is posing to look so fat, on purpose it looks like, so I know she won't mind comments. It looks like she was having fun and it is a joke to her to look so pregnant. B has a new live in maid and nanny for Tripp. Her name is Julie. B is stylin' Ripp to look geeky, as if more intelligent?
Zimmerman juror B 37 issued a statement to CNN calling for new laws that will enable juries to convict shooters like George Zimmerman.
ReplyDeleteThe juror gave a statement to CNN today saying that she was done with interviews, and she called for new laws, “My prayers are with all those who have the influence and power to modify the laws that left me with no verdict option other than ‘not guilty’ in order to remain within the instructions. No other family should be forced to endure what the Martin family has endured.”
She also used the statement to try to explain why she had a book deal, “There was an agreement with a literary agent to explore the concept of a book which discussed the impact of sequestration on my perceptions of this serious case, while being compared to the perceptions of an attorney who was closely following the trial from outside the ‘bubble.’ The relationship with the agent ceased the moment I realized what had been occurring in the world during the weeks of my sequestration. My prayers are with Trayvon’s parents for their loss, as they have always been. I now wish for me and my family to recover from being selected for this jury and return to a normal life. God bless.”
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/17/juror-laws-future-george-zimmermans-murder.html
This woman was in it for the bookdeal. George Zimmerman did nothing wrong by shooting Trayvon Martin, but he acted wrong in what led up to the shooting (not staying in the car, stalking Trayvon on foot with a concealed weapon and slaughtering an innocent teen who had every right to be where he was.
ReplyDeleteHaving four of the other jurists distance themselves from this yahoo is enough proof for me.
I'm one of those who got called, and served on a jury in a gang killing case. It was a huge financial burden and investment in time, but I feel it's our duty as citizens, much like paying our taxes and voting. Being sequestered isn't fun, riding out to the crime scene in a prison bus, seeing gruesome autopsy results, and learning how the system works is fascinating.
How can you say in the same sentence that Zimmerman "did nothing wrong by shooting Trayvon Martin" and then "he acted wrong in . . . slaughtering an innocent teen who had every right to be where he was"? In my opinion Zimmerman did everything wrong in shooting Trayvon Martin who had, as you say, "every right to be where he was." The aggressor was Zimmerman. If, and it's a big "If" the boy tried to defend himself, that was his legitimate right; he would have been fighting for his life. Zimmerman chased the boy with malicious intent and then killed him - in cold blood as far as I'm concerned.
DeleteA more religious person than I might see an interesting parallel in the boy's final trip home to his father's house. If only he had been allowed at least six or seven more decades of life before that last trip but Zimmerman stole that from him and from his family. And from all of us, because we never know the potential that is contained in the life of a young person.
Beaglemom