Thursday, July 18, 2013

State Senator from Utah wants to give parents a choice as to whether to educate their children or not. Yep, because more stupid people means more Republican voters.

"Look how can being an uneducated person be bad? Uneducated people are how I got this job."
Courtesy of the Deseret News:  

"Some parents act as if the responsibility to educate, and even care for their child, is primarily the responsibility of the public school system," Osmond wrote. "As a result, our teachers and schools have been forced to become surrogate parents, expected to do everything from behavioral counseling, to providing adequate nutrition, to teaching sex education, as well as ensuring full college and career readiness." 

Osmond wrote further that in the current state of public education, teachers do not receive meaningful support from parents, while at the same time parents become frustrated that schools are not able to meet the individual needs of their children. Osmond told the Deseret News that there is a need to shift the public mindset to viewing learning as an opportunity as opposed to an obligation, while also reinforcing the idea of liberty and choice. 

"Let’s let them choose it, let’s not force them to do it," he said. "I think that’s when you start seeing the shift."

Yeah a shift toward increased ignorance, increased crime, increased drug use, and an increased number of single parent families. Fucking brilliant.

You know this is the kind of shit that pisses me off to no end. This asshole starts off sounding completely reasonable, and even sympathetic toward both parents and teachers, and then he inserts this stupid idea that, if implemented, would severely damage this country's ability to compete in the world market and dramatically impair our ability to move forward as a nation.

Just imagine how many MORE social programs would have to be created to serve the growing number of undereducated uninspired young adults that would have developed few skills to make themselves employable nor the fundamental educational requirements it takes to navigate their lives effectively. Oh I'm sorry, he's a Republican, so instead they would be expected to just "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps."

This guy seems to believe that parents, many working two jobs to get by themselves, will somehow have the time to educate their children at home as well as prepare them for an occupation.

THAT is completely divorced from the reality facing most parents today, and just imagine how difficult it would be for these beleaguered parents to get their children to school each day once the kids realized it was not compulsory, and knew the schools could do nothing to provide consequences for not showing up.

This is just another thinly veiled attack on the public school system leveled by another asshole Republican who only sees short term political gain, and not the long term negative effects to his constituents and to the country that he pledged to serve faithfully.

41 comments:

  1. Anonymous6:28 AM

    See how their plan is coming into focus. No education but for the rich. This right here is how some of our ancestors couldn't read or write. Public schools came about because people wanted their children to be better educated and have more opportunities than they did. We are going back. . I guess there are some who just don't care we are fast becoming a 3rd world country. Isn't anyone going to stop this madness. We will have nothing g at all for our children, or grandchildren.

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    1. Anonymous8:04 AM

      I too am coming to see this as a plan: impoverish the middle class, disenfranchise women, repeal Obamacare, make it acceptable (even a point of pride!) to be stupid -- as in the klown kar kandidates of the GOP in the primaries, make education something that only the elite can realistically have, and gain control of both Houses of Congress, which seems well on its way, per the NYT:

      http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/democrats-unlikely-to-regain-house-in-2014/

      This looks like the 0.01%er plan for unprecedented wealth for themselves-- although our country as we knew it goes down to drain. Maybe throw in a new war to allow the war profiteers to continue to profit.

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    2. Anonymous8:46 AM

      We're already exporting jobs by the millions and importing workers by the hundreds of thousands because of the substandard education and functioning levels of our workforce. This has already caused a drop in government revenues and in GDP, because a highly trained domestic workforce would be more productive, earn more money (and thus spend more money), pay more income taxes, and contribute more to the Social Security Trust Fund. Every American would benefit if we did the exact opposite of what he is proposing. Every single component of his 'grand idea' is beyond idiotic, both for America's workers and for America. My first question: who's funding this guy – either directly or indirectly (meaning, he may not even know)? India? China? Russia? Because they would be the direct beneficiaries of such a plan.

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  2. Anonymous6:28 AM

    If you can trust a parent with the responsibility to chose whether or not to educate their children; why can't you trust a person with the responsibility to chose whether or not they want to be parents in the first place?

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  3. Cracklin Charlie6:50 AM

    Nice rant, Gryphen!

    But I gotta disagree with ya about one thing...I don't think the man said one reasonable thing. I read it as him having not ONE good thing to say about our public education system. He dissed parents, students, and educators. Osmond needs to piss off!

    I know a lot of young people. They're pretty smart. They got that way through the public education system. Thank you, teachers!

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    1. Anonymous8:38 AM

      This is Utah, where the FLDS has completely forbid education for its children and any parent can claim they're homeschooling and never, ever have to provide a shred of proof to anyone that education is actually occurring.

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    2. Anonymous8:47 AM

      If Osmond is dissatisfied with the quality of our teachers, then perhaps he should consider paying them more so we could recruit better and brighter ones.

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    3. Leland9:55 AM

      I have to disagree with YOU, Charlie! The first one and a half paragraphs are pretty darned right on target! I have two teachers in my family and they both say the same things this guy did - along with most of the other teachers I have met.

      A LOT of parents DO assume the schools are for babysitting and bitch about not getting their little babies educated enough. And yet, they also refuse to participate in the education themselves by making their little brats work on their studies when the kids are home. "Take away little Johnny's video games? Hell no! They keep him out of my hair!"

      Further, if the child is disciplined (and here I mean appropriately disciplined) or fails to do as well as the parent thinks his wittle baby should do, they swear at the teacher and sue - or at least file formal complaints!

      Is the school system perfect? Hell no! Not even close. And it is getting worse because of idiots like this jackass above. But to give the idiot his credits, the first things he said are pretty accurate.

      It's not the teachers (generally speaking) that are the trouble. It's his CONCLUSIONS that are F**ked up!

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  4. Anonymous6:58 AM

    This is also a way to keep women out of the work place because someone needs to be home to "educate" the kids.

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    1. Anonymous7:13 AM

      It's Utah, they want the kids to be dropping out of school by the end of elementary school to work for low wages (reason why they are opposed to minimal wages - kids could get paid less). Large families can breed lots of child workers.

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    2. Anonymous8:49 AM

      That would surely help 'feed, clothe, and comfort' the uber-wealthy, Brahmin-level Mormons at the top of the Church's Ponzi-scheme, wouldn't it?

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  5. Anonymous7:01 AM

    Compulsory education is not only to make sure the state provides education for everyone, rich and poor, but also for the good of the country. It's in our best interest that our kids learn how to read and write and reason and that they learn about math and science and history and the world.

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    1. Anonymous7:13 AM

      It's best for the children too, to not be exploited and forced to quit school to work.

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    2. Leland9:58 AM

      Precisely why I never complained about paying my school taxes even though I never had any children, 7:01.

      [Of course, I DO feel that if a couple has any more than a certain number of kids (like more than three as just a number?) they should pay MORE school tax - PER CHILD above that level.]

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  6. Anonymous7:58 AM

    Please, everyone, go see "The Boogie Man," a documentary about Lee Atwater, who was Geo. H.W. Bush's campaign manager in 1988 and then head of the Republican National Committee.
    He's famously quoted as saying that forty years ago, politicians could get away with saying "nggr, nggr, nggr." Now they've learned to couch their prejudice by saying "lower taxes" and "smaller government," which are code for taking away public benefits for the poor and mostly blacks.

    (It's available streaming on amazon.)

    This Utah State Senator is simply following up on the next rightwing tactic, which they've been using since the 1968 Presidential campaign, to suppress those who need help the most. The U.S. Supreme Court is right in lockstep.

    Public education, which began in the 1840s, was the foundation for the greatness of our country. It remains that -- school children are given help by everyone else (taxpayers) to become, themselves, taxpaying contributors to society when they grow up.

    But keeping children ignorant guarantees that they will end up not voting, not participating, and allowing the 1% to rule our country for the next several generations.

    A side benefit, of course, is to weaken or eliminate teachers' unions. Also, to fill up private, for-profit prisons, and to send students to for-profit schools, several run by friends of Mitt Romney.

    I can't do this justice. It's so appalling, and so obvious that there's been a plan in place for years, orchestrated by the Heritage Foundation and all the other conservative "think tanks," to eliminate whole sections of our society.

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  7. Beldar J Conehead8:08 AM

    OT

    Gryphen, some great news in the worldwide war on women (WWW)!!! India may be limiting acid sales to reduce acid attacks on women. Yayyyy!!!!

    If they combine that with limits on machetes, knives, ropes and cricket bats, there's a whole sub-continent full o'women who will breathe a collective sigh of relief!

    Of course, there will always be the threat of adulterated food, but hey, life is inherently risky, ain't it?

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    1. Anonymous9:26 AM

      Don't be too sarcastic since the USA has 6 times the rapes and assaults as India.

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    2. Beldar J Conehead10:39 AM

      Point taken.

      However, I'm reasonably confident the US trails in acid attacks. So, you know... we have that going for us.

      USA! USA! WE'RE NOT NUMBER ONE!! USA!

      However, I'm even more reasonably confident the exceptional American Exceptionalists amongst us will point out that we COULD rise in the rankings if we put our minds to it.

      And don't take Beldar's sarcasm too seriously. To him, it's just a day job like being a high-tech billionaire, superpower political leader or courageous, independently wealthy test pilot/cutting-edge neurosurgeon.

      (despite the similar name, I am not related to the Beldar J Conehead to whom your criticism is directed, but I've met him at several Esperanto conventions...)

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  8. Anonymous8:23 AM

    American Taliban!

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  9. Anonymous8:26 AM

    Don't infringe on my right to guarantee my children a life of ignorance and poverty! Stinking libruls!

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  10. Anonymous8:44 AM

    The Senator is not calling for an end to public education - he is calling for an end to "compulsory attendance". There is a difference. And on this, I agree with him (I am Canadian so have no dog in this fight). As I have seen even at my own local high school, the resources 'are' being used far too much on the ones who do not want to be there, rather than on those who do. Most of the VP's time is dealing with the 'skippers'. And, if a kid does not want to go to school, they won't. Period.
    I have 2 children - one is now 19, and the other is 15. The 19 year old refused to go to class. I was a VERY involved parent and tried everything I could. In her defense though, I found out in 2010 (after her Grade 10 year) that she had been Sexually Abused by her father for many, many years (yes, I put the Bastard away in prison). For Grades 11-12 she was so taunted at the school, she refused to attend. She would just get off the bus and take off. Eventually, after 1 too many altercations, "I" pulled her out. No point wasting not only the school's time (not that they were much help, but that is another story altogether), but she was wasting hers and my time as well. Plus, at least at home I know she is safe and can receive the help she so desperately needs.
    Now, the 15 year old on the other hand is excelling. As a matter of fact, he was the only Grade 9 to take Grade 10 computer courses this year (2 to be exact). He wants his education and nothing is going to stop him.
    This is the difference between 2 kids with the same emphasis put on education (it is very important to me). Unfortunately with the eldest, she now has to face the consequences of her lack of education. She plans to take online courses this fall - I only hope she follows through.
    JMHO

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    1. Anonymous9:25 AM

      Stay out of it if you don't live here(and I say that nicely as a person with dual citizenship). This is an attack on the American FREE education system, the GOP plan has been to end it for a long, long time.

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    2. Leland10:11 AM

      JMHO, I am so sorry to hear about your oldest and her troubles with her father! I can see how that would affect her attitude concerning school to a very large extent. It sounds, however, as though she is waking up to what she really needs and I am happy to hear that. I, too, hope she follows through. Your continued encouragement will help her greatly.

      However, having said that, there is a bit of a difference between what the above idiot is saying and someone who is "rebelling" (for lack of a better term) for a legitimate (psychological) reason, part of which is how children can be excruciatingly cruel to each other.

      Your situation - and your daughter's - are probably such a small percentage of the juvenile population it may not even show up on the scale. Specifics are not what is being discussed here.

      By the way, does your ex still have his you-know-whats?

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    3. Anonymous10:31 AM

      Hmmmm, I thought it was only the Cons who pulled that "stay out of it - you have no say coz you ain't a good 'merican" shit.

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    4. Leland2:15 PM

      9:25, that was definitely uncalled for! I personally like to hear from people in other countries. They have more wonderfully refreshing angles to viewing things than we do here (at least, sometimes).

      Our school system is under attack. Do YOU have any worthwhile ideas? You certainly didn't mention any. You seem to have forgotten that this is Gryphen's blog and HE let her comments through!

      10:31 is right!

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    5. Anonymous2:21 PM

      Leland

      First of all, Thank-you. Second, as of now he does.... - he is out on Statutory Release Oct. 15/14. I have not had any contact with him (except to attend the Parole Hearing in May 2103, which was DENIED) since June 2010 when I had him arrested.

      As to the Senator, my takeaway from the article was that he is just saying that the resources are better left to those who want to use them. That is all. And I agree with that. When most of the time is spent on those who don't give a damn, the ones who do, suffer to an extent.

      Now, in my daughter's case, no matter what I did (before I knew what the situation), she skipped school. And I was made out to be the "bad parent", which I resented. I tried everything short of sitting with her in a classroom! to no avail.

      Am I saying kids should not complete their education? Not by a long shot. To me it is the only job a child has. I am just pointing out my take on the article, and that there are certain things I agree with.

      Discussion - not derision.
      JMHO

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    6. Anonymous2:23 PM

      Is most states of the US, compulsory education is only until age 16. I think the same is true in Canada. In grades 11 and 12, most kids are at least 16, so your child didn't have to go to school. Plus, now there are other alternatives to traditional high school (namely online high schools, but also charter schools and homeschooling with support from the public school system). It sounds like you are availing yourself of the online option. I guess what I'm wondering is how your story relates to compulsory education.

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    7. Anonymous4:09 PM

      It might work well for older kids, but what if it's a eight year old, in third grade? Should we say that the kid could just drop out of school because he doesn't want to go? Should we assume that the kid's parents are able or even willing to educate him? A parent who wants to home school has that option and most states (but not all, unfortunately) set guidelines for home schooling. Compulsory education means that every child is accounted for. I'm not saying that ever child will learn in every situation, just that the opportunity is there and much more likely when kids have a legal right to an education.

      There are ways now to remove your child from traditional schools at every age. So, what exactly is this guy's agenda? Here it is: he doesn't want the government to make sure parents are actually educating their children.

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    8. Anonymous9:31 PM

      @ 2:23
      Actually, the dropout age in Ontario is 18 or graduation. As well, if a student drops out prior to 18 they can have their driving privileges suspended. Homeschooling is an option, and I did homeschool her until Grade 8 (where she was above the class average). We do not have charter schools here in Ontario. Only Public, Catholic, or Private. Online learning is definitely a blessing!!!
      JMHO

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  11. Anonymous8:58 AM

    OT, but worth the time:

    You might think this is an Onion piece, but no.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/17/michele-bachmann-massager/

    About a Christian concersative group sending her avibrator. The part after the bulleted items is drop dead funny. Gives it to Issas aswell.

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  12. eclecticsandra9:13 AM

    Education is necessary for a functioning citizenry. When you see the results of what happened for hundreds of years of not educating slaves, you will see effects far into the future.

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    1. Anonymous12:03 PM

      Yes. Good way to put it.

      But the agenda that anon 8:04 describes (the v richest get lots richer; the country we had is destroyed) is better served by getting people to think like this. I am very impressed and scared by the fact that income/wealth has already been so majorly redistributed away from the middle class, and few seem to realize it, talk about it, act in response to it. I see no backlash happening in a big enough way. A few of us talk about it, but we seem impotent against what I now see as a successfully executed plan, executed over the last 30 yrs.

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  13. Anonymous9:23 AM

    It has a darker side, a much darker side. In Utah girls( who aren't old enough to give consent) are old enough to get married. The mormons want their girl children uneducated and married off.

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    1. Anonymous12:07 PM

      And even more limiting is making sure each young woman has several dear children and no job skills by the time they are late teens, which makes it very very hard to leave that life. Impossible except for the very few, very strong. I bet I could not do it, even badly wanting to.

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  14. Anonymous9:46 AM

    Courtesy of the Desert News:

    Should be Deseret.

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  15. Anonymous10:00 AM

    Don't need education to be a productive worker in the magic underwear factory. No minimum age or wage either.

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  16. Anonymous10:02 AM

    I think he was right, parents need to be involve in their children education at home, like my parents did. They spanked me hard once I missed the class because some spoiled brat allured me with her new cool toys mum and dad bought her.
    Your kids will messed up just like Palin's if parents don't care. bristol, willow, track..they're fucked because their parents fucked.

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  17. Anonymous11:14 AM

    Southpark summed it up in their episode about Mormons: dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb....

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  18. Anonymous11:27 AM

    Cannot fathom the agenda.....but,whatever it is,it ain't purty........

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  19. Anonymous1:36 PM

    Right now, the GOP want no access to affordable health care, no access to safe abortions, limited access to birth control and unlimited access to guns. Everyone knows that the more education a person has, the more likely they are to lean left. So the GOP has a solution to that: get rid of education.

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  20. Anita Winecooler7:05 PM

    Keep the women unemployed outside the home, barefoot, pregnant and keep the kids stupid. What could possibly go wrong?
    I have a serious problem with this guy's mindset. A quality public education isn't a waste, it's an investment.

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