Monday, August 26, 2013

US and Britain working together in preparation for possible military action against Syria. Are we really going to do this again? Update!

Courtesy of The Telegraph:  

Britain is planning to join forces with America and launch military action against Syria within days in response to the gas attack believed to have been carried out by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against his own people. 

Royal Navy vessels are being readied to take part in a possible series of cruise missile strikes, alongside the United States, as military commanders finalise a list of potential targets. 

Government sources said talks between the Prime Minister and international leaders, including Barack Obama, would continue, but that any military action that was agreed could begin within the next week. 

As the preparations gathered pace, William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, warned that the world could not stand by and allow the Assad regime to use chemical weapons against the Syrian people “with impunity”. 

Britain, the US and their allies must show Mr Assad that to perpetrate such an atrocity “is to cross a line and that the world will respond when that line is crossed”, he said. 

British forces now look likely to be drawn into an intervention in the Syrian crisis after months of deliberation and international disagreement over how to respond to the bloody two-year civil war.

We are just now getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and now we are preparing to go into Syria?

Look I understand that if Assad used that gas to kill all of those people that he needs to be punished, but dammit do WE always have to be the ones who do the punishing?

I promised my daughter that someday soon we would be a country no longer engaged in war, in fact that is one of the reasons that she wanted to vote for Obama.

I just can't stand not being able to keep a promise.

By the way Colin Powell does not think America needs to rush into this thing either:  

"In both Egypt and Syria, America has to take a much more clever role," said Powell, who added he considers the Syrian conflict to be a civil war. "We shouldn't go around thinking that we can really make things happen." 

Powell advised the United States should wait for the war to be settled and then offer to help with recovery. The choice between President Bashar Assad and the Islamist-influenced rebels did not appear to be much of a choice, he said. 

"I have no affection for Mr. Assad. I've dealt with him. I know him. And he is a pathological liar, with respect to my interaction with him," Powell said. 

" But at the same time, I am less sure of the resistance," Powell continued. "What do they represent? And is it becoming even more radicalized with more al-Qaida coming in? And what would it look like if they prevailed and Assad went? I don't know." 

And if anybody should know the importance of being careful before committing our troops to a military engagement, it would be Colin Powell.

Update: Well this certainly does not help 

Britain said on Sunday that evidence of a chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus could have already been destroyed ahead of a visit to the site by U.N. inspectors. 

Earlier in the day Syria agreed to let experts from the United Nations on Monday visit the site of the reported poisonous gas attack which killed hundreds of people on Wednesday of last week. 

"We have to be realistic now about what the U.N. team can achieve," Foreign Secretary William Hague told reporters. 

"The fact is that much of the evidence could have been destroyed by that artillery bombardment. Other evidence could have degraded over the last few days and other evidence could have been tampered with," he said, referring to opposition activists' reports that the army has shelled the area in the last few days.

So evidence to confirm the attack may have been destroyed before it can be confirmed by the UN.

That is awfully convenient. 

15 comments:

  1. Anonymous3:07 AM

    (Gryphen: In the first line of your commentary you meant Iraq and Afghanistan, not Iran.)

    Back on topic, as unfortunate as it may be, and as abhorrent as war is, I can think of no nobler reason for U.S. military action than stopping genocide and the murder of children.

    Lastly, I would ask everyone to consider the consequences of a Syria in total chaos and what might happen to its proven huge stocks of chemical weapons.

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    1. Oops Freudian slip.

      Thanks, fixed now.

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  2. Sally in MI3:18 AM

    I'm sure the right has wet their pants in anticipation of yet another war..I thought we had no money for SNAP..where will these billions come from? Seriously, where will teh money for this come from? If we cannot afford the ACA for our own people, just how the heck will we pay for another war in a palce we don't belong? Come on, Boehner and McConnell, get on air and please explain to the people how you can vote for this and not for real jobs and security for us? I dare you.

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  3. Anonymous4:05 AM

    And there goes the presidency of Barack Obama, right down the drain, if he does this. Because let's get real - Iran is not going to stand idly by while the U.S. fucks with its pal Assad. It's going to perceive any U.S. attack on him as being orchestrated by the U.S. puppeteer ISRAEL, which is the country REALLY agitating for the U.S. to bomb the shit out of Syria, and by eventual extension its nemesis Iran. Thus starts WW III.

    I don't know about you but that is NOT what I voted for when I voted for Barack Obama.

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    1. Anonymous8:20 AM

      Most of you on here are pretty old, like way over 50 and yet you still haven't realized that ALL presidents are puppets?
      Lol!.

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  4. Anonymous4:55 AM

    Seems to me we have been lied to before.....we'd better be DAMN sure.....I'm not convinced.....I tend to believe this FSA would do this to their "own"....

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  5. Anonymous5:24 AM

    I absolutely believe that this was a chemical attack. But the real question is who did it.

    I find it highly convenient that this incident took place the very day the UN arrives. The insurgents insist the government fired the rocket, and the government just happens to stumble on some tunnels the insurgents use, and guess what, there's a whole cache of gas.

    There are at last count about 50 different insurgent groups, many of which are not friendly to the US or NATO. One American reporter just escaped captivity from an Al Qaeda affiliated group who beat him and insisted he was a CIA spy. We know Hezbolah has their dirty little hands all over Syria as well. There is also another insurgent group whose stated purpose is to turn Syria into yet another Islamic state. Right now the UN inspectors, who finally got permission from Assad's government, were fired upon by snipers on the way to the scene.

    So who do you help? Until the international community gets involved, the best thing the US can do is supply humanitarian aid to the refugee camps in Turkey, Jordan & Lebanon.

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    1. You just hit on the key question that should temper US involvement in any punitive action towards Syria (Damascus, in particular). Was this possibly a government set-up of the rebels, or was it a rebel scheme to involve the government forces? Or was it straightforward a government attack on its own civilians?

      And what's to say US/UK military strikes simply kill more innocent civilians?

      And here we go again, the evil Western powers attacking innocent Muslims in the Middle East. You can just predict these "Death to America" memes.

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  6. Anonymous7:44 AM

    Strongly agree with 5:24. Supplying humanitarian aid is the best thing to do. This would show our compassionate side. Bombs, drones, and any other military action just creates more life long enemies for us. It would be different if there were an obvious "good guy" in Syria, but both sides are bad. We need to stay out of it.
    ~Pogo

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  7. Anonymous7:57 AM

    Kind of hard to believe that this is the same Arab region that kept science, math, and astronomy alive and kicking when Europe descended into the religious hell that was the Dark Ages and now religion has destroyed this once vibrant culture and sent it spinning into its own dark age.

    I fail to see why America must be involved at all as our own domestic resources are dwindling and driving the US into an economic "dark age". We need to let these folks just work it out as it seems that anytime we step foot in another country, especially in this part of the world, we seem to make more enemies and stir up terroristic threats rather than solve any problems.

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  8. Anonymous9:59 AM


    Sarah Palin’s Syrian Solution: “Let Allah Sort It Out”

    http://malialitman.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/sarah-palins-syrian-solution-let-allah-sort-it-out/

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  9. Anonymous10:52 AM

    "The fact is that much of the evidence could have been destroyed by that artillery bombardment. Other evidence could have degraded over the last few days and other evidence could have been tampered with."

    This sounds eerily familiar to the start of the Iraq war.

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    1. Totally correct! I feel that I am stuck in a time warp.

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  10. Anonymous1:15 PM

    Have not read the commentary as yet, but have to say that I think the USA should stay out of this. President Obama will be ridiculed no matter which direction he takes.

    We do NOT need to be involved in something that could become another WAR. The middle east is a mess and NOT our problem. Let them fight their own religious wars.

    And, don't pay attention to anything the Republicans in D.C. have to say about this matter. Remember, they LOVE war as pathetic as that is to say.

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  11. Anonymous2:28 PM

    I am hoping that we will see Syria's neighbors and other countries in that area step and do something.
    M from MD

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