Wednesday, October 30, 2013

Are our politics determined by our genetics?

Courtesy of the Business Insider:  

Among the first scientists to dig for the roots of political orientation were a couple of pioneering psychologists in California named Jack and Jeanne Block. Back in 1969, the Blocks asked two challenging questions: How deep do our political leanings run? And how early in life do these leanings begin to form within each of us? 

In search of answers, they devised a very unusual study, and they began it with kids who were still in nursery school. On the face of it, the premise of the study seemed absurd: What did nursery school kids know about Democrats or Republicans, or about the complicated, hot-button issues of the day? Still, the Blocks were serious researchers from the University of California at Berkeley, and they were determined to break new ground. 

For their experiment, the two professors placed a group of 128 nursery-school children under the close observation of several teachers for a period of seven months. Then the Blocks had each of these caretakers measure the three-year-olds' personalities and social interactions, using a single standardized test. The same children then underwent this process again at age four, with a different set of teachers at a second nursery school. The Blocks tabulated the scores for each child and then locked the numbers away in a vault. 

The test scores then sat in the vault for the next two decades, while the children from the study went their separate ways in life. They grew up, completed their educations, and turned into young adults. After 20 years had passed, the Blocks succeeded in tracking down 95 of their original 128 subjects, in the hope of measuring how liberal or conservative each of them had become. This time they asked the young adults, now age 24, to situate themselves on a five-point political spectrum. They also asked them to express their opinions on a number of highly partisan, hot-button issues. In particular, several of these questions measured their tolerance of inequality between the genders and between different racial groups. In addition, they were asked to describe any political activism they might have participated in during the intervening years. 

The results, published in 2006 by the Journal of Research in Personality, were astonishing. In analyzing their data, the Blocks found a clear set of childhood personality traits that accurately predicted conservatism in adulthood. For instance, at the ages of three and four, the "conservative" preschoolers had been described as "uncomfortable with uncertainty," as "rigidifying when experiencing duress," and as "relatively over-controlled." The girls were "quiet, neat, compliant, fearful and tearful, [and hoped] for help from the adults around." 

Likewise, the Blocks pinpointed another set of childhood traits that were associated with people who became liberals in their mid-twenties. The "liberal" children were more "autonomous, expressive, energetic, and relatively under-controlled." Liberal girls had higher levels of "self-assertiveness, talkativeness, curiosity, [and] openness in expressing negative feelings." 

Now as many of you here know, I love me some science. However I have some real questions about the veracity of this study since I think we all know of people who have once been conservative and who are much more liberal later in life, and vice versa.

However I do recognize, and have personally tracked, data from very young children which is a strong indicator for who they will be later in life.

So I will leave this as an open question, and encourage all of you to weigh in with your opinion.

I will offer my daughter's opinion from a conversation we had yesterday, and that is that it is all about education, and being exposed to different sources of information.  For her the dumber you are, the more conservative you are, and the smarter you are, the more right you will be.

You know I kind of love that young woman.

29 comments:

  1. Anonymous10:19 AM

    Baby Has INCREDIBLE Reaction To Mom's Singing

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/emotional-baby-moved-to-tears-by-moms-singing_n_4173272.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

    Yeah, I'd say liberal.

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  2. Anonymous10:22 AM

    Your daughter's philosophy is seriously flawed, and rooted in cynicism.

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    1. I agree that she is a cynic.

      She is also incredibly angry about the world we are leaving her generation.

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    2. Anonymous1:01 PM

      depends on what you mean by smart. The more facts you have, or the more able you are to analyze facts? Intelligence often means that ability to analyze and adapt. think about what conservatism means - it is by definition a rejection of change and adaptation.

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  3. Anonymous10:59 AM

    I have observed that liberals/progressives tend to live more in the reality of life, less in denial, lies and obfuscation. Conservatives tend to make things up and act as if those things are the reality, even though the majority of people see it as looney tunes. I'm basing this mostly on the right leaning, conservative politicians and their base constituents, and right leaning media.

    Gryphen, I saw this video and thought you'd enjoy it.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-math-equation-visualization-2013-10

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    1. Anonymous2:10 PM

      As the lifelong "black sheep" of an extremely dysfunctional family, I've been pondering the nature-vs.-nurture aspect of politics myself. As the family caretaker from the age of about 3 to 40-something, am I liberal because I had to live in the real world and protect the crazy (and extremely right-wing-nutjob) people from their horrible choices and inability to deal with the real world? Or was I forced into the caretaker role because it was obvious from birth that I lived in reality?

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  4. Anonymous10:59 AM

    i totally concur with your daughter's definition - 'nuff said ..

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    1. Anonymous1:10 PM

      Me, too.

      The less educated and thoughtful you are, the more likely you will be a Tea Party voter or a fundamentalist.

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  5. Anonymous11:19 AM

    It used to be that the right had some intellectual "heft" - at least, that's what Buckley tried to show. However, he's dead and it's all just blatant corporate fascism now, celebrated by low information voters (low IQs, racists). Do you really know anyone who is smart, who became more conservative in later years. and did NOT go on to develop dementia or Alzheimer's? I don't.

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  6. Anonymous11:27 AM

    What you're describing is the more fearful a child is, the more he needs the reassurance of boundaries and controls, even if, especially if, the fears are unfounded.
    As an example, children who grow up in alcoholic families, with abusive families, or with irresponsible parents with a vague set of boundaries often grow up angry, defensive and belligerent, despite their adult circumstances. They need rigid guidelines to make them feel safe.
    Does this describe a holier-than-thou evangelical of any religion? Someone who must collect and brandish guns to protect himself from imaginary enemies? Someone who clings to the "Constitution," even when he or she doesn't understand it, just because it seems like a permanent set of rules, the kind he hoped for as a child?

    And the kind of person who often never grows up, but refuses to finish school or be trained for a trade, having children early, usually without marriage, perpetuating the cycle of another generation of aimless lives. It's too scary to actually become a real adult.

    I wrote this with many rigid, angry Conservatives in mind, but, of course, it describes the Palins to a "t."

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    1. Anonymous2:12 PM

      There is a subset of children who grow up in angry/dysfunctional/alcoholic families that are strongly grounded in reality and quite empathetic. Usually this is the family scapegoat.

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  7. Anonymous11:29 AM

    I started out as a Republican, now consider myself about a 9 on the 1-10 Liberal scale. I was also incredibly shy and introverted, now I talk to everybody. I changed gradually through my teens and twenties. Part of being a Republican was wanting to please my parents, part was that I had a very rigid sense of right and wrong, and part was that I was fiscally conservative.

    As I aged, I no longer wanted to be like my parents, I discovered that not everything was black & white, and a lot of it was that I realized that the fiscal conservancy of the Republican party was a complete myth. I also figured out that I didn't actually care what gay people did in their own bedrooms, that aborting a clump of cells that had the potential to become a human being was in no way similar to killing an actual person, and that oh yeah, I was an atheist and the Republican party had been taken over by a bunch of evangelical crazies.

    Was I brainwashed to begin with and discovered my true feelings after I became more educated, or did my brain actually become more flexible as I aged? I have absolutely no idea! Oddly enough, my mother switched from R to D in her fifties. Maybe we have a strange genetic anomaly in our dna?

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    1. Anonymous6:04 PM

      Maybe The GOP changed on you and your Mom? Many of my GOP friends have "jumped" the party boundaries in the last few yrs. But it sounds like for you and your Mo that the party boundaries changed as you were standing still.


      Little Rabbit

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  8. Look for the kids who are willing to support the class pariah (poor or mother dresses them badly). They won’t join the bullying, and if they do, it will be mild with much guilt. Those will become liberals sooner or later, depending on their home situation. I don’t really disagree with your daughter, education helps, but I know educated people who are deeply conservative. A mother receiving free food is an affront to them, but they don’t want to discuss military spending. Maybe food is personal and military spending is abstract?

    Or it could just be the old ill-gotten gains again, something they understand.

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  9. Anonymous11:37 AM

    Whoa there Bucky!

    Dumb =Conservative
    Smart = Libral?

    You are kidding right? Where's your favorite subject? Religion. Christian = Conservative
    Atheist=Librul.
    Wealthy = Conservative
    Poor = Librul.

    You don't get out much do you? I know many very wealthy people who are Librul and many poor people who are Conservative. I know many Christian Libruls and many non-Christian who are Conservative.
    Let's take an only child, raised in a very elite, wealthy home raised by nannies who gets everything they want, when they want it and resents giving anything to anyone. He has been taught he is special and needs to rewarded for anything he does, whether he deserves it or not and will learn to cheat to get anything he wants. Everyone owes him something for being so special.

    Now let's take a child from a family of many children who has been taught that we must take care of each other and share what we have. He is taught that each person is important and to make the family machine work smoothly, each person must do it's job and everyone will be happy.

    Now we have 50 shades of grey between these two extremes. Throw in some divorces (both sides), some poor health (both sides) higher degrees of education (both sides) religious beliefs or non beliefs (both sides) job benefits (both sides) lack of jobs (both sides) Live in big city or a rural setting. In the south or in the north. Black or white. Mental health. Public or private or home schooling.

    By the time a healthy child is 3-4 years old his brain is imprinted by those around them and the environment he raised in. A correct scientific study includes all variables that can have an input an the outcome of said subject.

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  10. If you believe practicing Yoga leads to Satan... you might be a Republican. http://leftaction.com/action/va-gop-candidate-lt-gov-yoga-leads-satan

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  11. Anonymous11:48 AM

    There are many different types of conservatives and and many different shades of liberalism. I went to a college that was heavily endowed by Republican donors and probably 70% of the student body was Republican but I met some great compassionate people there. There was a lot of outreach and an atmosphere of social concern. I think the most vocal component of EITHER party can sometimes be the most outrageous and thus paint the entire party with the same brush, when in fact the moderates within the party do not resemble the fringe elements in the least.

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    1. Fringe elements within the Democratic Party? I think the Democratic Party is by definition, not "the fringe." "The fringe" would be operating OUTSIDE the Democratic Party. As for the atmosphere of social concern at a college that is 70% Republican, I have a hunch their "concern" would not match mine. I, a Democrat, work for justice and equality for all.

      There may be moderates still within the Republican Party. If there are, they would be advised to speak up and to work for moderate candidates, because right now the Republican party is looking more and more like the party of extremism, ignorance, corporate welfare and bigotry.

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  12. Anonymous12:45 PM

    "Quiet, neat, compliant, fearful and tearful, [and hoped] for help from the adults around" is a good description of this over-60 female as a child. Shit, I'm still that way. But I've always been as liberal as they come. So I agree with your daughter that education and exposure have a lot to do with one's political leanings, not just nature.

    My parents were not exactly liberal; they voted for both Dems and (to my dismay) Repugs, but they were socially conscious and raised me to be, too. And ever since the dawning of political awareness in me began with the 1960 presidential election (in which I was pro-Kennedy, because he was Catholic, and I went to Catholic school, where all the nuns were pro-Kennedy), I was a Democrat, and I've always voted that way.

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  13. Anonymous3:51 PM

    I'm not so sure. I think a lot of our politics has to do with that of our parents. I was an extremely mousy child, very shy but occasionally outspoken, a serious student always but both of my parents were strongly Democratic and active in the Democratic Party and my father was very much involved in the UAW of the late 1940's and 1950's. So I grew up in a politically liberal household and I've always been very proud of it. For me, more nurture than nature I guess.
    Beaglemom

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  14. Anita Winecooler5:09 PM

    I tend to go with your daughter's conclusion. I consider myself a five on the liberal scale of one to five, when I was younger I "
    hough we could agree on some things, I wasn't able to bite my tongue till it bled when I saw women "act" (or actually were) afraid to speak up to chauvanist male pigs.

    The more I learned and experienced life, I felt like I found my niche' .And by learning, I don't mean just book learning, I mean travelling, interacting with people of all cultures and learning their customs first hand.

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  15. Anonymous5:15 PM

    Related: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/personality-map-red-states-blue-states

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  16. Anonymous5:44 PM

    Just another swarmy republican. While I do realize many IMers are republicans that is the nicest thing I can say.

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  17. Anonymous5:56 PM

    Please explain this "liberal" part of the democratic party that you are talking about, Could it be me? The non white part? Please explain yourself. Since a "party" is non other than their platform I would really like an explanation since it sounds pretty racist to me.

    Little Rabbit

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  18. Anonymous5:59 PM

    Please explain your "fringe" group for the democratic party. Is it me, an US Army Veteran of the democratic party? Who the heck is the "fringe" you are speaking about?

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  19. Anonymous6:06 PM

    My husband and I are very liberal living in a very conservative district. Last two presidential elections there were four votes for Obama..ours and our two daughters.
    So if you buy into the genetics angle, how do you explain our extremely consevative (very redneck!) Son? .

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  20. The study begs the question as to how influential parents are on their child's personality. Could be some of these traits were ingrained in the children from birth to the time they were tested. Conservative parents tend to raise conservative children and Liberal parents tend to raise liberal children.

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  21. One true thing: stereotypes have a kernel of statistical correctness at their core, but prove to be unreliable in the long run.

    Pax et bonum



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    1. Martha again5:30 AM

      What was that famous book that came out at about the time Kerry was running for president? It was about political affiliation and parenting style. Conservatives were more authoritarian and stressed the importance of independence. Liberals were more choice-with-analysis-of-results focused and stressed the importance of cooperation. It makes sense and was the first time I could understand why anyone in the world could ever like George Bush.

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