Wednesday, February 05, 2014

Apparently Ken Ham was not satisfied with simply being humiliated by Bill Nye during the debate, and actually went on CNN afterward to continue the experience.

Courtesy of Forward Progressives: 

Piers Morgan brought up the subject of climate change (something that wasn’t discussed during the debate) for which Bill Nye once again offered a scientific explanation about planetary warming being a cause for storms, whereas Ken Ham went off on a tangent about – well, basically nothing. 

Even when Morgan pressed Mr. Ham on whether or not he believed in climate change, he refused to answer. He even went as far as to say, when Morgan said he assumed that he didn’t believe in global warming, “Where have I ever said that, I’ve never said that.” Though Mr. Nye clearly didn’t mind answering for him by saying, “You mentioned it on a radio broadcast.” 

This then shifted to Morgan asking Ham if he believes dinosaurs lived with man. Ham responded by saying he believed, “All the land animals were made on day six and Adam and Eve were made on day six,” indicating that he does believe dinosaurs and humans coexisted. 

Morgan then pushed him on the fact that we find fossil bones more than 70 millions years old, to which Ham stated, “You don’t find dinosaur bones with labels on them. Where’d you get the 70 millions years from? Prove that to me.”

Holy crap!

It is too bad that the Bible does not seem to cover irony, as the fact that this idiot refuses to believe anything proven by science unless he witnessed it himself, while pimping stone age superstitions as fact, is the very definition of irony.

For fun watch the video with the sound off and simply watch Bill Nye's face as Ham spouts his nonsense. It is highly entertaining.

37 comments:

  1. Anonymous4:34 PM

    One thing I have never understood about some Christians I have met, is that they believe God created the Earth but yet they don nothing to preserve his creation. And no, I do not even think you have to believe in global warming to be a good steward of the land. Wouldn't littering and waste be the same thing as trashing a church?

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    1. Anonymous4:50 PM

      My biggest peeve.

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    2. Anonymous5:12 PM

      fer sure, the trash that these 'bagger_tard's leave on the riverbanks, their fire pits in the mountains with their un-burned fireproof trash, along with their plastic shotgun casings, brass from their bullets, and the shit that falls off their quads drives me fukin' nutz - and that's just here in south central alaska - must say it's ok somewhere in their imaginary constitution that it's their gawd given right ..

      fuk_tards !

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    3. Sally in MI5:23 PM

      Not to mention wasting millions of gallons of needed water with some unnamed chemicals in the quest for ever more natural gas. And blowing up mountains for coal. And on and on. Never once does the 'religious right' mention conservation.

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    4. Anonymous5:26 PM

      ..forgot to add all the signage they blow holes in out in the backcountry let alone the shot up signs along the highway/roads

      inbred fuk_tards !

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    5. Anonymous6:34 PM

      They believe God made the animals and nature in general to serve Man.

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  2. Anonymous4:39 PM

    There's always a market for stupidity and Ham knows how to milk it. Media exposure is his path to wealth. Jim Jones without the kool-aid (yet).


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  3. Anonymous4:44 PM

    Well, day 6 sure did last a looooooooooooong time.

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  4. Anonymous4:59 PM

    I was sure Palin would speak out regarding the debate. Must be watching 2 1/2 hours of video is a bit much to ask of Creation Scientist, Sarah Palin,

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    1. Anonymous5:13 PM

      skank's too ADD, that and wired on meth

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    2. Sally in MI5:24 PM

      If only they had mentioned her..Mr. Ham, when do you think Sarah Palin was created? And for what Earthly purpose? And obviously, all creatures were not created on Day Six, unless Ham is six thousand years old too?

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  5. Beldar Domesticus Conehead5:32 PM

    In my opinion, the saddest story in all of Genesis, is about all those pet dogs and cats that God foolishly made on Day 6 and which died for lack of food because their humans weren't made until Day 7 and the monkeys weren't smart enough to feed them.

    I know the story is supposed to show that even God makes mistakes, but still, did Sparky and Mr. Wiggles have to die just to make that point?

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    1. Anonymous6:08 PM

      The funniest part of last night was Ham saying the planet may have become too much for god.. or something to that effect. So I guess the prayer for rain in Reno last week won't get any help from god either,

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    2. Anita Winecooler6:59 PM

      Wait, I thought Mr Wiggles got married to Sparky and were living on a farm in upstate new york. Is Ham calling my parents liars???

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    3. Anonymous2:47 PM

      @ 6:08 ooops so much for that omnipotencey thing.

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  6. Boscoe5:58 PM

    Ultimately this clip just reinforces the fact that there can be no "debate" with a creationist because a creationist has no facts to work with. In the end, what we see here is Ham positing his own ignorance of how science works as proof that it doesn't.

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    1. Anonymous9:11 AM

      Exactly what I was thinking. People who refuse to be rational cannot be reached by reason.
      Beaglemom

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  7. Anonymous6:31 PM

    Ken Ham unknowingly did damage to the bible and its believers last night.

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  8. Irony abounds in the Bible, especially in the wisdom literature. Perhaps the best book in that regard is Ecclesiastes, in which the preacher Koheleth highlights the wonder of life while seeming to emphasize its pointlessness.

    Thomas Wolfe regarded this book of the Bible as the greatest work every written. Ecclesiastes has been an inspiration to philosophers and artists throughout history, from French existentialists to Shakespeare to modern American folk singers.

    It's profound and poetic, regardless of the reader's position on the continuum of belief/nonbelief. The irony is exquisitely presented and hard to miss.

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    1. Anonymous10:26 PM

      The rules in Exodus regarding the sale (and re-sale) of daughters into slavery are also quite profound.

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  9. Anita Winecooler6:52 PM

    Holy Shit! Ham's a flipping idiot! Fossils don't come with labels? The main problem with Ham arguing Science is you can't fix stupid.

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  10. Anonymous7:45 PM

    Oh, no THIS is funny! Iran is naming their new health care after their president! The right wing will lose their minds!

    Iran Is Apparently Adopting Universal Health Care: RouhaniCare

    The quasi-official Twitter account for Iranian president Hassan Rouhani said Wednesday that the country would be adopting a universal health care system to "extend medical insurance to all Iranians."

    In English at least, the new government is also adopting a nickname that would sound familiar to American ears: RouhaniCare.

    Gov will extend medical insurance to all Iranians. First step will be to cover 5mn uninsured Iranians by the social safety net #RouhaniCare

    — Hassan Rouhani (@HassanRouhani) February 5, 2014

    Rouhani doesn't tweet from the account himself, but he has tacitly endorsed it, saying it is written by "friends." The English-language account is also retweeted and cited by the New York Times's Tehran bureau chief.


    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iran-universal-health-care-rouhanicare

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    1. Boscoe5:02 AM

      Fauxhead's reaction to this story: OH NOEZ! If Iran has health care, then healthcare must be EEEEVIL! Quick, burn the doctors! Burn the doctors! Also too, Obama wanted us to have healthcare, so he is clearly in league with Iran! -And a secret Muslin! AIIEEEEE!

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  11. Chenagrrl8:19 PM

    Morgan lost me at the very first stupid question. Who is reponsible for this snowstorm ... God or Science? I had a Python flashback and have not yet returned.

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  12. It's being reported that Pat Robertson begged Ken Ham to 'shut up' about creationism. Wow, when Robertson won't even agree with you, it's time to quit.

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    1. Leland1:39 AM

      By Whom? Where? Documentation, please.

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    2. Anonymous3:21 AM

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/05/pat-robertson-creationism-ken-ham_n_4733625.html

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    3. Leland7:21 AM

      Thanks.

      Too bad that little bit of information wasn't forthcoming during the debate, but it does add weight to the idea that the pig is an off-the-deep-end fanatic and too stupid to pound sand.

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  13. Anonymous8:51 PM

    I have no idea if there is a God(s) or not. Like Nye, I need evidence before I say there is or is not. I do know that science has much more proof for it's claims than the Bible. Beyond that I leave my mind open to finding evidence for anything we don't know yet. And I would think a God would be proud of our progress in trying to find out factually where we come from and what it's all about.

    Gods or no Gods, we need to take care of our Earth and it's inhabitants. And always strive for the TRUTH.

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  14. Clearly, Ken Ham stopped reading after Genesis 1, as Genesis 2 tells us that mankind was created first, *then* plants, *then* animals -- and none of this "day 1," "day 6" nonsense.

    That's the problem with Biblical literalists -- they don't even realize the text contradicts itself by the time you get to the third page....

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  15. Anonymous12:58 AM

    Is it just me or does Ken Ham look like he's got quite a bit of Neanderthal dna going on? Nye definitely has the more "evolved" look!

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    1. Yes -- Nerds rule! Love the tie!

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    2. Anonymous6:19 AM

      Can someone swipe Ham's comb, or even a drinking glass would be sufficient. Then we can test his DNA. Not only does he have a little Neanderthal ancestry, but he's got a lot of Africa running around in is genes.

      It's amazing that this guy is actually a trained scientist. He believes Genesis should be taken at face value, but what's his rationale for this?

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  16. Anonymous9:46 AM

    In a video published Wednesday, Creation Museum founder Ken Ham compared Bill Nye “the Science Guy” to Eve in the Book of Genesis.

    “It really comes down to — here is the difference: We are saying that we start with the word of God who knows everything and has always been there, and so he gives us the key information we need to have the ability to build a correct worldview, to approach the understanding of reality in the right way,” he remarked one day after his debate with the science advocate.

    “Whereas, Bill Nye is saying, ‘No, it’s autonomous human reasoning, it’s autonomous man, there is no God. I’m the reasonable man, and so I’m going to come up with these explanations because I decide — you know, trust me, I’m the authority. You don’t trust God. God’s not the authority. I am. Man is the authority.’”

    Ham said that Nye’s philosophy was a modern-day illustration of the “Fall of Eve” in the Judeo-Christian creation myth.

    In the Book of Genesis, a serpent implores Eve to be skeptical about God’s command not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. The serpent informs Eve that contrary to God’s warning, she would not die if she ate from the tree and would instead become “like God, knowing good and evil.”

    “You know really, it’s an illustration — the reasonable man is an illustration of Genesis 3,” Ham explained. “Trust God, or you become like God. There has been a battle since Genesis 3 between God’s word and man’s word. It’s always been a battle over authority. Who is the authority: God or man? And down through the ages there has been that battle.”

    “In fact, in 2 Corinthians 11:3, Paul has a warning for us, and this is God’s word through Paul, that Satan is going to use the same method on us that he did on Eve to get us to that position of not believing the things of God,” he added. “And what is the method he used on Eve? ‘Did God really say?’ What is it? To doubt the word of God, to not believe the word of God, to make yourself the authority. You know what? That was the battle that played out here on this stage.”

    Watch video below.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/06/creationist-ken-ham-compares-bill-nye-to-eve-for-offering-fruit-from-tree-of-knowledge/

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  17. Anonymous10:47 AM

    How Really to Debate Creationists: Bill Nye versus Ken Ham

    Yesterday, Ken Ham, nutty founder of Answers in Genesis and the Creation Museum in Kentucky debated Bill Nye, the Science Guy on the evidence for Young Earth Creationism versus that for Evolutionary Science. A lot of media outlets, e.g., the DailyBeast and Slate, are tut-tutting Nye for participating in a debate that provided Ham a platform from which to spread his nonsense. Sadly, it is true that rank demagoguery has a much easier time being entertaining than does a careful exposition of science. But there is a way to beat Creationists at their own game - mockery. More on that in a moment.

    I got to know Ken Ham when I reported on the 2005 Creation Mega-Conference at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. I noted in my reports from the conference, "Creation Summer Camp" and "The Myth of Millions of Years," that the Ham was the author a lavishly illustrated children's book, The Dinosaurs of Eden. In that book, children garbed in biblically appropriate duds frolic with pet dinosaurs and their parents saddle some up to ride and carry cargo.

    At the Mega-Conference, I learned that Noah's ark carried at least 1,000 different species of dinosaurs and (paradoxically) all dinosaur fossils were all created from being buried by Noah's flood. In addition, starlight appearing to travel millions of light years (more than 6,000 years since Creation) can be explained by the fact that God created a "mature" universe. The Young Earth creationists also decried the Intelligent Design creationists for being too namby pamby. Ham asserted that the Big Bang must be rejected as inaccurate because Genesis explains that God created the Earth and the waters on the third day and THEN the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day.

    So how to beat back this kind of nonsense? I humbly suggest the approach I took when Michael Shermer and I debated Discovery Institute intelligent designers Stephen Meyer and George Gilder back at the 2008 Freedomfest. See the YouTube of my ten minutes of opening remarks, "Intelligent Design by Purple Space Squids," as nicely illustrated by Memosphere below:

    http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/05/how-really-to-debate-creationists-bill-n

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  18. Anonymous12:16 PM

    22 Responses To Questions From Creationists

    http://www.businessinsider.com/22-responses-to-buzzfeeds-22-messages-from-creationists-2014-2

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  19. Anonymous3:51 PM

    Christians Who Believe In The Science Of Evolution

    While young earth creationists like Ham point to the Bible and place the earth's age at 6,000 years old, others rely on scientific evidence that say it's several billion years old. However, the debate does not need to pit science against religion. Plenty of scientists have deeply held Christian beliefs while still agreeing with mainstream scientific beliefs about evolution.

    Here are a few that we know of --

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/06/christians-evolution_n_4732998.html

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