Saturday, May 03, 2014

Alabama supreme court justice claims that since the "Buddha did not create us" that the First Amendment only applies to Christians.

Justice Roy Moore
Courtesy of Raw Story:  

Speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, which was sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court declared that the First Amendment only applies to Christians because “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” who created us. 

“They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship,” he continued. “Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

Moore also shared his views on abortion and the keys to happiness. (Here's a hint, it's all about God.)  
“Now,” he continued, “if technology’s supposed to increase our knowledge, how did we become so stupid?” Discussing Thomas Jefferson’s use of “life” in the Declaration of Independence, he said that “when [Jefferson] put ‘life’ in there, it was in the womb — we know it begins at conception. Why aren’t we going the right way instead of the wrong way?” 

He later said that “you can’t be happy unless you follow God’s law, and if you follow God’s law, you can’t help but be happy.”

Well I am no theologian but I have certainly met my fair share of disgruntled and unhappy Christians in my time.

This guy is supposed to defend the Constitution of the United States of America, NOT the Bible.

And there is NO way that Jefferson was talking about the life of a fetus, especially at a time when infant mortality rates were over 50%. It would be incredibly ignorant at the time to count life as beginning at conception, when the likelihood of seeing a life birth was so incredibly low.

This guy demonstrates a crippling lack of intelligence, and is clearly far more concerned with supporting Biblical principles, and protecting Christians, than he is in justice, or protecting the Constitution.


  1. Anonymous4:19 AM

    Roy Moore was the judge who was punished for sneaking in the huge 10 Commandment plaques after being told to take them down. As for being stupid, it's not the science-believers who are the stupid ones. It's not the liberals, either--any fifth-grader can tell you why the tides go in and out, but it stumps the Bill O'Reillys of conservative world. As for unhappy Christians, who's having all the underage-girl and other abuse scandals? The Evangelicals, that's who.

    1. Anonymous1:29 PM

      Another RW Fundie has the stupid-looking TeaBagger hairdo.

      Seriously, what is it with those idiots on the right-wing fringe that they can't pay an extra buck or two and get a decent haircut? None of those losers has a bit off self-awareness nor any fucking common sense either. Good post, Gryphen. Mississippi has to work its ass off 24/7/365 to out-stupid Alabama in their battle for last place in education. This judge is typical of the idiots who can't think their way out of a wet paper sack. They pretend to know so much shit that's untrue. Fuck em.

  2. Anonymous4:25 AM

    This asswipe needs to be educated that there were more than white christians coming over to this country prior to 1776. He is the perfect example of a religious belief run amok

  3. I feel like coining an acronym right now; SOW, Stupid Old White, can also be linked in an unflattering way to a couple of animals, but right now, SOW, Stupid Old White.

    It’s not my nature to be so mean, but something has to be done about these relentless attacks on intelligence. SOW, works for me.

  4. jkarov5:37 AM

    The Constitution never mentions natural law, God, Jesus, Creator, Divine being, church, worship, or the bible.

    It only mentions "faith" once, and that's in Article 4 referring to the financial aspect of the credit of the USA paying debts and fiscal governance, not religion

    Religious liberty for all is protected, even supported, by the 1st amendment, but Congress is forbidden absolutely from establishing a national religion, or making laws based on religion.

    Article 6, paragraph 3 purposely forbids even a religious test for any federal or state office, and mandates that by using the word "Shall"

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

    The founders had enough wisdom to know that they should not mandate any religious instructions or laws to govern the new nation, and that *ALL* religions or lack of religion is no barrier to public office or daily life.

    It's a *very* common meme among the rabid militant Christians these days to claim that article 6 paragraph 3 only applied to the various Christian "sects" at the time. This absurdity gives them their justification for twisting the plain English meaning of what the Founders meant.

    The persecutions, wars, and slaughter perpetrated by the kings and queens of England convinced the founders of our country that religion should be supported and protected, but should be separate from the legal foundation of our government.

    1. Anonymous6:02 AM

      Buuuuuuutttt, they're christians and believe they can do what ever they want in the name of some fictional creator dreamed up thousands of years ago.

    2. Anonymous9:42 AM

      Interesting how most of these people who are so adamant about following the Constitution word for word, change the rules when it comes to religion.

      We're not allowed to do anything that isn't specifically written in the Constitution when it comes to taking care of our citizens (SNAP, Social Security, healthcare, etc), but we're supposed to believe that they know exactly what the Founding Fathers 'meant' or 'intended' when it comes to being a Christian nation.

      There is nothing specific in the Constitution SUPPORTING the establishment of a state religion, but there are numerous places where religion's involvement in or influence over our government is expressly FORBIDDEN.

      But, then again, they follow the Constitution the same way they follow the bible...only the parts they like.

  5. OT:
    Brilliant William Rivers Pitt on the Cliven Bundy matter.

    "Skreeeeeeech went the needle off the record. Every right-wing media personality and politician who had rushed to publicly embrace Cliven Bundy immediately fled his presence as if he were covered in Goliath tarantulas. I think there still may be a Hannity-shaped hole in the studio wall at Fox News."

  6. Anonymous6:07 AM

    Yet another very good reason not to live in Alabama.

    This guy is the CHIEF justice of the SUPREME COURT.

    1. Anonymous8:37 AM

      and he should be impeached.

  7. Anonymous6:43 AM

    Jefferson owned slaves and used one as his mistress. His own children were his slaves. Jefferson certainly wrote some inspiring thoughts, but he's no more an authority on morality than all the translators of the christian bible that were paid by kings to warp the old texts into a power grab for kings.

    Jefferson valued female slaves more than field hands because the babies increased his wealth.

    1. Anonymous8:25 AM

      I respectfully disagree with you, she was more likely a rape victim not his mistress

    2. Anonymous2:24 PM

      Sally Hemmings was his wife's half sister (same father). His wife was in notoriously ill health for much of their marriage. Martha made him here's much speculation that Mrs. J "gave" Sally to Jefferson in some sort of Hagar the Handmaiden thing.

      Jefferson acknowledged his children with Sally & freed them when they came of age. The subsequent Jefferson-Hemmings descendant foo-fra was local news around here.

      The wiki has a fairly accurate entry:

      Still lots of differing opinions, but Jefferson was somewhat limited according to Virginia law.

  8. Anonymous6:43 AM

    I'd love to see this guys face when someone refused to take the oath or place a hand on the bible in a court case. Fuck I'd do it just to piss him off.

  9. Boscoe6:43 AM

    This guy is the poster child for conservatism as a mental illness.

    As a clear traitor to the oath he took to uphold the constitution, he should be removed from office immediately. He's no better than a Communist or a Jihadist and no more competent to administer US law.

  10. Anonymous7:13 AM

    And here's another dose of crazy today. This is getting so out of control...

    Bundy’s Anti-American, Anti-Government thugs:

    - “poured lighter fluid around” news trucks,
    - Issued “bomb threats” against Hotels where Federal employees were lodging,
    - told hotel staff they would be “dragged out in the parking lot and shot”
    - Bundy thugs asked Metro Police Sgt Jenkins if “he was ready to die”

    They’re also showing up to intimidate the local city council:

    Fox News 5 is reporting that Bundy’s armed thugs surrounded the City Council room and stood watch over a “standing-room only City council meeting” yesterday. Why did Bundy’s thugs attend the City Council meeting? Were they there to intimidate?

    This is so not going to end well with all these bullies and guns that give them 'courage'.

    1. Anonymous7:21 AM

      Watch These Bundy Ranch Militia Thugs Bully a Latino Reporter (Video)

    2. Anonymous7:25 AM

      COPS: Bundy’s Terrorist Militia Pointed Weapons at Officers, Wanted Violent Outcome (Video)

      Bundy Militia Leader Who Wants to ‘Rip’ Harry Reid’s ‘Balls Off’ Lives on Government Disability

    3. Anonymous7:27 AM

      Infighting between two factions of heroic patriots stationed at Cliven Bundy‘s ranch in Nevada reached a fever pitch earlier this week, with a group of aggrieved militiamen turning against the Oath Keepers. The splintering of the once-unified front is surprising, unless of course you’ve ever seen what happens when a group of children start crying over whose turn it is to play with the Legos.

      The trouble started, the Southern Poverty Law Center explains, when a member of the Oath Keepers received a very reliable report, from a contact in the Defense Department, that Attorney General Eric Holder had approve a drone strike on their big boy dress-up army man game. And so Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes determined that he had to get his boys out of –-

      Excuse me for a moment here… BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

      Sorry. Ahem. Rhodes determined that it would no longer be safe for his group to stay inside of “the kill zone” where Holder and Obama were most definitely coming to bomb them. With a drone. Maybe a nuke-equipped drone? Who’s to say.

      The Oath Keepers’ Franklin Shook explained more on the supposed aerial robot attack:

    4. Anonymous8:32 AM

      The title should be "Cliven Bundy militias circle their wagons and shoot inward!" Bear in mind they have assault weapons with 100 round drums to help them kill themselves faster and more efficiently. Problem solved!

    5. And no one's covering this on tv anymore either when they should. I really feel for the locals.
      M from MD

  11. Randall7:23 AM

    Any admission putting any religion over the constitution should disqualify the person from holding any public office. Ever.

    And we should immediately start calling these sanctimonious, superstitious idiots out on their nonsense.

    1. ShutYerPiehole7:59 PM

      Sometimes I nearly pull my hair out screaming, "Separation of Church and State!!!!!" at my computer/television.

  12. Anonymous7:34 AM

    Heh, "God" didn't create us either.

    1. Anonymous2:36 PM

      I'm going with Enki, one of the Annunaki. Did it to piss off his brother Enlil, who didn't want the existing hominid population any smarter. Enki dinked around with their DNA, adding some Annunaki strands for good measure. Good a creation myth as any.

  13. Anonymous8:07 AM

    I am a born again Christian, he clearly is not. He totally missed the lesson about that guy named Jesus

    1. Anonymous8:37 AM

      Why isn't his version of Jesus events just as valid as yours? I mean, when you both worship an imaginary deity, seems to me the room for flexibility is endless.

  14. Anonymous8:09 AM

    Pfft, everyone knows that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created us!

  15. Anonymous8:29 AM

    Egregious behavior for a judge. Outrageous! Did I mention he's a sanctimonious bastard? He should be removed from the bench post haste. I am one of MANY Christians who believe fervently in the separation of church and state.

  16. Anonymous9:03 AM

    It's very hard sometimes to know that we are all Homo sapiens; that we are all related ultimately. I believe the better position is to always rely on reason over blind obedience, and that is also the position Thomas Jefferson took.

    I've been toying with the idea that some of us have minds that are beginning to evolve faster, and some are being left behind, and that is what is causing the conflict in people's views on religion. I suppose this might be seen as a mite elitist, but perhaps this is why all great thinkers and scientists are initially scorned by those in power; because of the fear that the new way of thinking is correct, and the knowing that they cannot grasp the new concepts because their mind is set to one way of thinking. They do think they are doing the right thing in trying to steer us in what they think is right, but so often they are proved wrong by their own hypocrisy and the hate they show towards others.

    1. Anonymous10:17 AM

      " I've been toying with the idea that some of us have minds that are beginning to evolve faster, and some are being left behind, .."
      I've thought about something along the same lines.
      I believe there is a hunting gene that I do not possess.
      While others still have it.
      The guy who runs the store where I buy lawn products is a hunter.
      He never stops talking about hunting.
      I find his blood lust fascinating on a scientific level and abhorrent on a personal level.
      He literally counts the days till hunting season.
      Whatever the topic , like the right grass seed , he inevitably turns
      the conversation back to hunting.
      He seems pretty typical of hunters .
      His hands shake in excitement and anticipation of opening day.
      It's almost like it's a biological imperative with him.
      He cannot wait to kill an animal.
      I OTOH have absolutely no desire , never have,
      to go in the woods and kill something.
      I like being outdoors and hiking , but, I just prefer taking photographs of deer
      rather than shooting them in the chest and following their blood trail as they stumble away dying.
      And then eviscerating them with a knife.
      Like a golfer retells every shot they took on their last
      game, the hunters relive their hunts in vivid and gory detail.
      If I lived in the pioneer days, I know that I would
      have hunted to feed
      my family and my dogs.
      The hunting gene seems to flourish in the rural areas where the religious fanatics
      seem to primarily reside.
      My personal experience with a religious fanatic is similar to that of the hunting guy.
      He was normal growing up near a big city and now lives in the South , so his conversion
      may be more cultural than biological.
      But, it's still the same tunnel vision 24 / 7 primarily gays and abortion and illegals and liberals.
      He thinks Sarah Palin is a moron
      and Limbaugh is an idiot , so there might be hope for reorientation.
      But, religious fervor and intolerance is still the primary focus of his life .
      Living near large cities with diverse populations must help to dilute the hunting and fanatic gene .
      So, biology may definitely play a role in their behavior.

  17. Anonymous9:08 AM

    I like a certain atheist who has said that the ONLY way for a society to have true freedom of religion is for that society to have a secular government. This is, in fact, what our founders set up, and Thomas Jefferson himself attested to this not only in the Declaration, but also in private letters. He was proud that they set up a government that separated church and state.

    This bible thumper is absolutely wrong.

  18. Anonymous12:24 PM

    Off topic but one of these days something really bad is going to happen. Who is the real problem here? The wingnut second amendment loons!

    " Sgt. Ray Bush of the Ft. Worth Police Department told Channel 5 that officers received a call Thursday night from employees of the restaurant who thought that the large group of heavily armed white men had come to rob them.

    “They locked themselves inside a freezer for protection out of fear the rifle-carrying men would rob them,” Bush said via email. “The demonstration had no signage that would have alerted anyone to their real purpose, and to our knowledge they did not attempt to contact anyone in the Fort Worth Police Department to advise us prior to the demonstration.”

    The department responded as it would to any armed robbery in progress, with multiple police cruisers and officers carrying tactical weapons. Demonstrators say that the aggressive response by law enforcement was unnecessary."

  19. Anonymous2:42 PM

    Last time I checked, the only people God made were Adam & Eve. Biology took care of all the rest.

    1. Anonymous9:35 AM

      And incest.......

  20. Anita Winecooler5:07 PM

    Beam me up, Scotty!

  21. ShutYerPiehole7:57 PM

    The stupid is strong with this one.

  22. Anonymous4:52 AM

    Stupid on Steroids. Does anyone else hear dueling banjos when you see this guys photo?


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