Friday, September 04, 2015

Lawyer for Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who refuses to issue marriage licenses to "teh" gays, claims that his client is being persecuted like the Nazis persecuted the Jews. Update!

Courtesy of Right Wing Watch: 

Yesterday, Davis’ attorney, Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel, appeared on “Crosstalk” to defend Davis, claiming that she is simply trying to do her job, or at least, her job as she sees it. He even likened her to a Jewish person living under Nazi rule. 

When host Jim Schneider of VCY America asked why Davis won’t resign, he said that the county’s residents support her and “she’d probably be able to win the governor’s seat right now rather than just the clerk of Rowan County. She’s there to do a duty, a job and the job duty was changed.” 

“Does that mean that if you’re Christian, don’t apply here; if you’re a Jew, you gotta get — what happened in Nazi Germany, what happened there first, they removed the Jews from government public employment, then they stopped patronizing them in their private businesses, then they continued to stigmatize them, then they were the ‘problems,’ then they killed them,” Staver said. “The fact of the matter is, she has a right to this employment and you don’t lose your constitutional liberties just because you are employed by the government.” 

Yes being jailed for refusing to follow the law, while discriminating against gay people, is JUST like when the Nazis carted the Jewish people off to the gas chambers.

Why didn't I see that before?

Oh and there are plenty of people willing to take the "Christian persecution" metaphor and run with it.

Here is more from the fine folks over at Wonkette:



So glad that we can have a reasonable debate concerning the rule of law with these people.

Of course while all this is going on marriage licenses are being handed out to gay couples in Rowan County like Tic Tacs. 

Update: I think this belongs here.

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70 comments:

  1. Anonymous2:11 PM

    Her backwards state is a "right to work" state, meaning her employer has a right to fire her at any time, for any (or no) reason. Refusing to do the job is definitely a reason.

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    1. Caroll Thompson2:33 PM

      The County Clerk in Kentucky is an elected position 2:11. From what I read only the State Legislature can impeach her.

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    2. Anonymous3:40 PM

      What about federal law? Discrimination against gays! She's blatantly doing it!

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    3. Anonymous4:26 PM

      Off topic: Supermom is back posting pics in IG.

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    4. As far as I'm concerned she can be incapacitated for an unlimited time until she is voted out of office, impeached for failing to do her job or in any other way fired for failure to do her duty.

      How about a poor job performance review. That's how they usually do it.

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  2. She’s a failed, obese woman in middle life, she’ll never be anything better or anything more than she is now, and she knows it. She’s at the age where the chickens have come home to roost, all of us by then the settled results of our choices, and she almost certainly doesn’t care for what the mirror is playing back for her.

    But she’s also a petty bureaucrat in some corner of a Bible Belt state with enough pinch of power to spread her misery around, and that’s all there is to what’s been going on here. Davis’s claims beyond that are full of shit; whether you believe one exists or not, it has nothing to do with any god.

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    1. Anonymous5:47 PM

      And tales about how hostile a work place she made it for others in the courthouse are beginning to surface now too. She was a real piece o' work.
      M.

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  3. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/04/1418315/-Kim-Davis-stunt-demolished-in-one-brilliant-tweet

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    1. Anonymous9:14 PM

      She denies staff in her office the right to their beliefs; she denies straight people the right to get married, and she denies same-sex couples their right to be married. She denies all these people the right to their beliefs and she is the one that is persecuted.

      Only in a fairytale world.

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  4. Yet, no one was unkind to her before she saw the light, married 4 times and had a few kids out of wedlock. I hope that she enjoys sitting on her fat ass in jail. Does this mean that she can break the law in other ways, per her religious beliefs?

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    1. Anonymous4:12 PM

      Can you imagine if she was Muslim and refused to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples? Conservatives heads would explode because they wouldn't know which side to support.

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    2. Anonymous5:09 PM

      I hope that she enjoys sitting on her fat ass in jail. It will give her time to read the Bible, again and again. By next Tuesday, she might have gotten through the whole thing.

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  5. Anonymous2:42 PM

    Hey this too! Butthurt conservatives everywhere!

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/09/03/tennessee_judge_refuses_straight_divorce_because_of_gay_marriage.html

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  6. Caroll Thompson2:44 PM

    Bitch a'int getting much support on the internets. Most people realize that we cannot have over three hundred million of us picking and choosing what laws we will follow based on our beliefs.

    More good news. Ever since the bigots in Indiana (the ones who made the lousy pizza) collected almost one million dollars for being bigots, Go Fund Me has changed its rules. You cannot use the Go Fund Me website in support of discrimination, so no pay day for the marriage Nazi in Kentucky.

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    1. Anonymous2:57 PM

      The Pizza bigots can split their take with the clerk.

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    2. Anonymous5:31 PM

      Ha! Those pizza bigot pigs aren't sharing with anyone.

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  7. Anonymous2:45 PM

    This has worked out exactly as was planned. It won't matter whether or not Davis keeps her job, she'll be taken care of by those who planned this. This isn't Christians being persecuted, this is the United States being taken hostage by right wing, homophobic, and racist religious zealots who have the money and the people to continue to fight to force ALL Americans to toe their line.

    Of course, it would be good if they could take a few more of Jesus' words to heart such as "love one another" and "do unto others as you would be done" (paraphrase). This picking and choosing what is "right" from what Christians call "the word of God" or the Bible makes the rest of us distrust everything said by those who do this.

    Davis' saying that her earlier actions (marriages, divorces, children by man other than her husband) are now not relevant because 4 years ago she was "saved" is very handy for her, isn't it? So that means she gets to tell everyone else how to live?

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    1. Anonymous3:38 PM

      I've seen so many 'christians' use the word 'saved' due to their past horrible deeds!

      This woman is not a practicing Christian - she doesn't love her fellow man (i.e. gays). In fact, they revolt her and she is working against them in spite of the laws in which she works.

      Get her ass out of the job if she will not comply or the Judge needs to keep her in jail to the maximum.

      What's the law in Kentucky about becoming a felon? I'd be reviewing every nook and cranny in the law books to get rid of the woman as to her position. She is openly discriminating! What about federal laws?

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    2. Anonymous4:14 PM

      So being "saved" gives you a mulligan to act as a total hypocrite?

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    3. Anonymous5:41 PM

      I don't care if she was "saved" or flushed down the toilet. She a huge hypocrite because:

      1. Jesus Christ himself was really, really explicit that if you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery. Maybe her church tells her that the previous adultery she committed was forgiven, but, right now, every day she spends with her current husband is adultery against her first husband.

      2. If she thinks she has a right to refuse gay people marriage licenses, then would she have been totally cool with being refused one of her (many) licenses? If the clerk actually followed Christ's rules on adultery, and told her no, she was too big of a sinner to get a license from her and she was following god's law, not the US constitution, would Miss Lard Ass Holy Roller Hypocrite been just fine? Right?

      3. She should have given any licenses to anyone who had been divorced, pregnant before marriage, ate shellfish, wore polyester, etc. If she sees her position as Jebus' personal police woman, then she needs to be consistent about it.

      4. She should be stoned to death. That's what the bible says should happen to women like her. It's doesn't say anything about getting a do-over.

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  8. Chenagrrl2:50 PM

    And then there is this sensible tweet from Rachel Held Evans: "No one's being jailed for practicing her religion. Someone's being jailed for using the govenment to force others to practice her religion."

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  9. Anonymous2:50 PM

    It was only a matter of time before the clerk or her lawyer made the comparison to Nazi treatment of the Jews. What utter nonsense! Her attorney deserves to be censored for making such a mindless statement. Besides, I bet the clerk would want to refuse to issue marriage licenses to Jewish couples should any approach her office.
    Beaglemom

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    1. Anonymous4:16 PM

      Just like I heard when they compare people to Hitler? You know who is as bad as Hitler? Hitler. You know who are just like Nazis? Nazis.

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  10. She was only elected last November. She was on the job less than six months before the SCOTUS decision came down. It's not as if the winds of change weren't already blowing in the direction of equality when she sought out the job.

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    1. Anonymous3:10 PM

      Yes but she has worked there for almost thirty years. She succeeded her mother when her mother dies. Now her son works in the office. Talk about nepotism central.

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    2. Anonymous3:17 PM

      Why doesn't Kentucky have laws against nepotism in the work place? Most companies are very careful about the issue and they should be - as proven with this ridiculous situation going on with this woman!

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  11. Anonymous3:09 PM

    I'll just let George take it from here...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

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  12. Anonymous3:16 PM

    I hope the Judge keeps her in jail to the full maximum that he can! She needs to be taught to follow the 'law' that we all work under when employed.

    This Christian crap is being taken too far! She is like a Nazi herself for crying out loud!

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    1. Anonymous4:19 PM

      The best part is that judge disagrees with the Supreme Court decision but he is following the law instead of personal feelings like her. And I want to know what JADL's reaction is to the Nazi comparison.

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    2. Anonymous5:46 PM

      In theory, the judge doesn't ever have to let her out, or not until she agrees to follow the law or she resigns or is impeached. Also possible is that her term expires (in 4 years?) and she isn't re-elected or there may be a successful recall.

      The KY legislature is very unlikely to impeach her, and they don't meet again until January anyhow.

      If she wants out of jail anytime soon and doesn't want to get gay peoples' cooties or whatever the hell is her problem, then she needs to resign. Or she can rot there for a nice long time. Her choice.

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  13. Anonymous3:17 PM

    Just the usual cast of lazy slugs hiding their ignorance behind a cloak of "Christianity." A Christian life of love, understanding, and generosity is magnitudes harder to live than a life of hate, intolerance, and greed.

    These rooftop "Christians" are duller than moss covered sloths. Rain drops annoy them.

    And I can't help but believe they annoy God.

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    1. Anonymous4:33 PM

      A Christian life of love, understanding, and generosity is magnitudes harder to live than a life of hate, intolerance, and greed.
      -------------------
      An atheist's life, too. And without an instruction book.

      Mildred

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    2. Anonymous8:51 PM

      There's a reason the Brits call them "god-botherers"

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  14. Anonymous3:19 PM

    Let's see what Helen has to say about all this.

    http://margaretandhelen.com/2015/09/04/the-gop-really-has-lowered-the-bar-on-what-constitutes-being-a-christian/

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    1. Anonymous3:29 PM

      Helen nails it and makes them all look like jackasses.

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  15. Anonymous3:21 PM

    " Now I feel for little Kim Davis, I really do. Poor thing looks like something the dogs been hiding under the porch. But that's what four marriages, three divorces, and a few kids out of wedlock can do to a person with strong moral convictions." Taken from Margaret and Helen.

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  16. Anonymous3:22 PM

    ...The GOP limited the number of primary-season debates in order to prevent candidates from pushing one another to the right in ways that might make them unelectable in November 2016. On immigration, however, Trump doesn't need debates to push the candidates rightward. And Kim Davis may push the candidates to the right without being a politician.

    http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2015/09/kim-davis-may-be-new-donald-trump.html

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  17. It never hurts to remember that these folks are the progeny of ancestors who once believed the automobile, the telephone and the radio were instruments of the Devil, certain to bring the ultimate decimation of society.

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    1. Anonymous6:02 PM

      Haha Thanks for that reminder!

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  18. Anonymous3:49 PM

    This situation is getting embarrassing. Even many people who disagreed with the Court ruling on SSM can see what is wrong with this woman's actions. She is making all Christians and especially Christian conservatives look bad. I'm not saying I'm unequivocally against civil disobedience. But it is a tool to use carefully. Overuse it and you look either foolish or arrogant. Everyone on the right knows that the SSM fight was lost some time in the past 3 or 4 years. Little stunts like the kind Ms. Davis are pulling aren't going to change this fact. Personally I'd reserve civil disobedience for the day when churches lose tax exemption for not marrying same-sex couples or when religious schools are shut down because it is claimed that they are a violating of some newly invented right.

    The truth? Ms. Davis's actions are actually making me pro-gay. I was happy to see the same-sex couples finally get their marriage licenses!

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  19. Anonymous3:55 PM

    "Freedom of religion means freedom to hold an opinion or belief, but not to take action in violation of social duties or subversive to good order." That was the Supreme Court in 1878. They also held in 1940 that "While the right to have religious beliefs is absolute, the freedom to act on such beliefs is not absolute."

    She has NO right as a publicly elected official to force her "religion" on ANYONE.... she can believe whatever the fuck she wants, but I am SURE her job description doesn't excuse her from actually PERFORMING HER FUCKING JOB.

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    1. Anonymous8:55 PM

      She id absolutely free to practice her religious beliefs and deny same sex couples the right to marry... in whatever church she decides to become a cleric thereof.

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  20. These dooshbags throw the word Christian around like it has any real meaning. Here's some news - not all Christians are the same! Christian is just an umbrella term for a multitude of Jesus-based sects. Davis belongs to Apostolic Christian Church of America, it is a Fundy, KJV Only sect. I found their Statement of Faith online, and Article 17 says "Governmental authority is respected and obeyed. Members serve in a non-combatant status in the military. Oaths are not taken, but truth is affirmed." She defied a number of court orders, which is not allowed by her church, also she took an Oath of Office. Shitty public servant and crappy Christian.

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    1. Anonymous4:08 PM

      Christianity is just one religion and one part of the "religion problem". Until all people learn to think for themselves and steer themselves based on their own intelligence and moral compass then the world will still be subject to the non-thinkers and the anti-intelligentsia that take their moral and behavioral cues from their "dear leaders" instead of from their own strong mental basis of right and wrong.

      It's going to take another few centuries before all religions and their adherents are brought to heel, but it will happen and I so wish it would happen during my lifetime.

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    2. Nope sorry, Christianity is many religions. Many sects don't even agree on the basics, like baptism and salvation. Many Christians don't even think many other Christians are even Christian.

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  21. Thoughtful of Queerty to clear this up:
    http://www.queerty.com/kim-davis-marriage-history-explained-in-one-handy-flowchart-20150904

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  22. Anonymous4:11 PM

    From what I read, t appears that Ms. Davis had two out of wedlock children. Sound like another good Christian girl we know? I don't get it. I'm from New York City. I wasn't even raised religious. And I didn't have sex until I got married. I was 22 before I even gave a blow job. WTF? Is there a "have a baby for Jesus" movement that no one told me about?

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  23. Kim Davis is in jail because she_broke_the_law.

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  24. Anonymous4:36 PM

    domestic taliban seems a might riled up ..


    to fukin' bad ..

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  25. Many religious and conservative sites are disavowing this 3 time loser bigot, I was quite surprised. I actually think the Tea Baggers are getting so crazy that the right-wing, evangelical fringe is starting to crumble. I track many sites and I am seeing a noticeable shift, more so with this story than before

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  26. Anonymous5:06 PM

    Kim is not being persecuted or prosecuted for being a Christian. She is in jail for contempt of court, for not following the direction of a federal judge to issue marriage licenses to all who apply-- according to the law of the land.

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  27. Anonymous5:15 PM

    And now she says none of those licenses are valid because her signature is not on them.

    One might think that the deputy clerk would have the authority to issue licenses without her name while she is in jail...

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    1. Anonymous5:44 PM

      I would think so too, because even clerks go on vacation and whoever's next in charge would have to take on those duties.
      M from MD

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  28. Anonymous5:27 PM

    Actually these anti-gay marriage people were hired and may have been employed for a long time doing what they agreed to do at time of hiring. Now the laws change forcing them to do that which was never a part of the hiring agreement. Doesn't she have a right to not perform? Courts may have to decide to give early retirements with benefits.
    808

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    1. Anonymous9:01 PM

      Nope. Religion is a choice. Especially in an elected office, it is always possible for laws to change. A cop doesn't get to decide that he won't arrest child abusers because his bible says spare the rod spoil the child and when he was hired in 19?? it wasn't against the law.

      So you might want to rethink that silliness you posted

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    2. Anonymous1:27 AM

      What they agreed to do--whenever they were hired--is to uphold the constitution. The constitution gives the courts the ultimate power to decide what ia lawful.

      If an employee for whatever reason finds him/herself unable to comply with this, then in good conscience he/she should resign, not simply refuse to perform the duties of office whilst continuing to collect a paycheck for NOT doing the job.

      Kim Davis's stunt is just bunch of self-serving bullshit. She's a lazy, whining, self-absorbed drama queen.

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  29. Anonymous5:50 PM

    I hope she stands her ground, stays in jail for eighteen months, then holds her ground some more and get held on CRIMINAL contempt.
    She thinks because she's so "hot" looking and divorced three times, it's because "teh gays" have ruined her "straight" marriages, It's not an anti religious liberty case, and your comparison to the Jewish people in Nazi Germany is beyond the pale, not even close.
    Drop the bible and pick up a history book. Do your job, or resign. Anyone else "catch" her husband's "rant"??? I haven't laughed that hard since McCain chose Sarah.

    Love wins, You lose!!

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  30. Anonymous5:55 PM

    With Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R) calling jailed Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis the first Christian woman arrested by her government “for living according to her faith,” supporters of the intransigent government employee took to Twitter expressing support with #FreeKimDavis.

    As might be expected, Twitter trolls showed up and hijacked the hashtag, mocking her multiple marriages, those who compare her to civil rights pioneer Rosa Parks, and making the obligatory references to women-behind-bars Netflix show, Orange Is the New Black.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/worst-coupon-evertwitter-trolls-take-over-freekimdavis-and-its-hilarious/

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  31. Anonymous7:05 PM

    Damn, this woman is scary:

    Kim Davis says any marriage licenses issued today are invalid because she makes the rules, not the Supreme Court

    The Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples considers the licenses issued on Friday by her office as invalid, her attorney said.

    Kim Davis, who was jailed on Thursday afternoon, also has no intention of stepping down from her job as clerk for Rowan County, Matthew Staver said in front of the detention center in Grayson, Kentucky, where Davis is being held.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/jailed-kentucky-clerk-sees-licenses-issued-on-friday-as-invalid-her-attorney/

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    1. Anonymous7:10 PM

      OMG the BibleBanging Queen of Rowan County is throwing another temper tantrum, from behind bars yet. Well, guess what, hun. The county says they're valid. The state says they're valid. And most importantly, the federal government says they're valid. So STFU and eat your disgusting jail grub.

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    2. Anonymous7:11 PM

      Davis was not a mere county clerk, she was a sanctimonious demagogue, with a Gawd-like absolute power and authority over her office's minions and the secular heathen public who she believed that she ruled, not served.

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    3. Anonymous7:14 PM

      CMarks • 4 hours ago

      Further evidence of her intention to force her religious beliefs not just on gay couples but her staff. While she "might" have a case for herself not wanting to "participate" she has shown her true colors and grossly overstepped her authority. Forcing your religion on your subordinates is religious harassment. The legality of these newly issued marriage licenses will be easy to determine.

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  32. Anonymous7:19 PM

    http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2015/09/Gun-licenses-and-religious-freedom-Ben-Corey.jpg

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  33. Anonymous9:40 PM

    Mike Huckabee is running for President of the US. A president of the US supports the rules of the country and the supreme court. Huckabee is having a rally in Kentucky to support law breaker Kim Davis.

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  34. Chris Hayes got into it last night with Davis's Liberty Council lawyer Mathew Staver at the 21:25 point, and he's just what you'd expect to represent her.

    https://youtu.be/qp__hIQOGEE

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  35. Anonymous4:29 AM

    This is hilarious and should win a pultzer: https://twitter.com/nexttokimdavis

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  36. Many Christians love to be persecuted, in fact have a need to be. In defense of one's hatred and bigotry, nothing works as effectively as persecution. Christians love this, because it makes them feel so Christ-like. And who better to compare with Christ than Kim Davis?

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  37. I thought this was well said - Dan Savage on MSNBC with Alex Witt: "we live in a pluralistic, multi-cultural, multi-faith - multi-denominational within faiths - society, and it would be utter chaos if everyone was empowered to cite "God's authority" to violate the law or break the law".
    http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2015/09/dan-savage-ky-clerk-kim-davis-just

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  38. Anonymous7:21 AM

    Kim Davis holds the key to freedom in her own hands. She's still in jail because she chooses to be.

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  39. Anonymous1:53 PM

    https://twitter.com/RWSurferGirl/status/640111307560124416

    Here is one of my favorites at this twitter site.

    Samoan Attorney ‏@Samoan_Attorney 6h6 hours ago
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