Pope Francis' meeting last week with an American woman at the center of a row over gay marriage was not something he had sought and should not be seen as an endorsement of her views, the Vatican said on Friday.
One Vatican official said there was "a sense of regret" that the pope had ever seen Kim Davis, a Kentucky county clerk who went to jail in September for refusing to honor a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and issue same-sex marriage licenses.
The encounter in Washington was originally kept secret and has sparked widespread debate since it became public this week, proving something of a misstep for the pontiff.
Looking to smother the fierce controversy, Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said Davis was one of "several dozen" people who had been invited by the Vatican ambassador to see Francis during his visit to the U.S. capital.
"The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects," Lombardi said in a statement.
That sort of falls in line with some of the other recent reporting indicating that the Pope may have been tricked into meeting Davis, and that she was just a person among many to have a face to face with the Pope but that it was by no means an endorsement of her position.
Since I thought that overall the Pope's visit to America was very positive, I would like to believe that the Pope simply did not know who this person was, or understand how this interaction would be interpreted.
However I would hope that there was some disciplinary action taken on whoever set this thing up and gave the okay for it to happen in the first place.
I've read that at age 75, Archbishops must offer their resignation. It's not always accepted. But I think in this case it will be, Archbishop Carlo Vigano turns 75 in January. And I think the Pope feels hoodwinked by this Ratzinger devotee. (true). And I think a housecleaning will come about. Look how he demoted that cardinal who liked to dress in furs, and drive around in the big car. I think it was the same one who did tens of millions of dollars of upgrades to the estate he was living in. He got the boot, and I think Archbishop Carlo Vigano will very shortly.
ReplyDeleteExactly. And this Vigano mole who tried to cut the Pope off at the knees, post visit, by having pushed Kim Davis into his line of sight, will be retired in January, if not before.
DeleteI'd expect that other Benedict and John Paul alumni will be eased out in the months and years to come. This sweet-smiling Pope has already cleared out the toxic mess that was the Vatican bank, and is moving his own people into position when he can.
But this Vigano business demonstrates that there's a strong and nasty opposition to Francis within the Vatican itself, and he must move carefully.
12:27 I agree. A couple of other facts: The lead American Bishop is the Archbishop of Louisville (Ky) who is a leader in the anti-gay marriage fight. Coming up soon is a meeting between the Pope and some/most Bishops. The topic: the family! The conservatives are afraid that after listening to all voices, the Pope is going to change some rules regarding marriage, divorce, gays, abortion. Some see this as an effort to undermine the Pope before that meeting. Afterall, the Vatican is known for byzantine intrigue. One last fact: the private audience the Vatican mentioned was with a former student the Pope is friends with. The invitation came directly from the Pope. The man is gay. The Pope knows he's gay, and welcomed his partner.
DeleteElizabeth 44
This article argues that the pope was actually swindled. He certainly has enemies. Let's hope that he lives a long and healthy life and is able to clean house throughout the entire Church.
Deletehttp://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38440/pope-francis-swindled-kim-davis-meeting/
But the bottom line is, the pope himself is still anti-gay sex anti-gay marriage, and anti-gay adoption. That will not change.
Deleteas a card carrying member of the IPU (Invisible Pink Unicorn )
Delete"The Invisible Pink Unicorns is a being of great spiritual power. We know this because she is capable of being invisible and pink at the same time.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorn is based
upon both logic and faith. We have faith that she is pink; we logically
know that she is invisible because we can't see her."
I never thought there would be someone more hypocritical and morally repulsive than Palin, but I stand corrected.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Kim Davis is pretty disgusting. Her delusion that she is a martyr are mind boggling.
DeleteWhatever the pope knew about her when he met her, it seems clear that she is lying about the meeting.
DeleteThere's a very special place in hell for people who lie about their interactions with the POPE of all people. Holy crap.
Batman.
DeleteGood point. Palin is one of the most repugnant public figures of my life but I really think Kim Davis beats her. At least Palin has only been married once and isnt trying to justify repeated marriages, divorces and bastard kids. Bristol is worse than her mother, in my view.
DeleteThey're all foul!!! Palin's hypocrisy takes a back seat to no one's and Bristol is a total zero. And the Pope agrees with them about gays, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
DeleteI don't know about y'all, but I surely have a sense of regret that I ever had to be aware of her ugly puss.
ReplyDeleteSo Kim Davis is a liar, and, it's reported, this repudiation of her meeting with the Pope was dictated by Francis himself.
ReplyDeleteKim, you should recognize when you're out-numbered and out-classed. And you now have zero standing as a legitimate voice in the public square. You've been outed as what you are.
Hmmm. It's a he-said, she-said situation. Who am I going to believe, the POPE or a bigoted hillbilly turd from Kentucky?
DeleteWhat difference does it make? The pope still opposes gay marriage.
DeleteAnon 8:29 - And what difference does that make? Gay marriage is now the law of the land in the US regardless of what the pope says. American Catholics have picked and chosen what parts of the doctrine they want to follow for decades now. Look at the divorce rates among them.
DeleteThe pope is a kind man who has been personally kind to gays and even to Kim Davis, even though she didn't deserve it. He has a job to do, which is to uphold the doctrine of the church ,which he is doing.
Kim Davis has a job to do which she is NOT doing.
Until the Pope changes Catholic dogma about gay marriage, and this one will not, gay Catholics may not marry in the Catholic church. And that is the church's decision, not theirs, so gay Catholics who marry legally are still not recognized as married by their own church. How kind and loving, huh?
Delete7:04 - chip on your shoulder much?
DeleteTHAT'S what I want to know: Who helped this bigot get in the door in the first place?
ReplyDeleteWhen we first saw this, my wife remarked that the Pope got set up by someone in the Vatican who wasn't happy with the changes he is making and his stances on some issues.
DeleteSome of the arch-conservative American bishops are very set against Francis. They are appointees of John Paul and Benedict.
Deletehttp://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38440/pope-francis-swindled-kim-davis-meeting/
Please, get real. The pope is changing NOTHING.
DeleteAnon 8:29, I think YOU need to get real. I suppose you also think there is no difference between Democrat and Republican politicians.
DeleteQuite often, there isn't, 9:30. As far as this pope is concerned, he's made it very clear that gay marriage threatens straight marriage and that fetuses are more important than their mothers. Just like his predecessors. Stop being so naive.
DeleteYep, I called it.
DeleteSometimes life isn't fair. Cry me a river. Find another church that you like better. Grow up.
Very slipshod of the Vatican. It had to be deliberate.
ReplyDeleteKim Davis is a repugnant piece of shit for misrepresenting the situation. (In addition to all the other reasons, of course.)
ReplyDeleteBy her account, she was seated in a chair, in a private room, waiting for the Pope. When he entered, she embraced him and he embraced her.
Right then, I knew her story was bullshit.
Hopefully the Rowan County legislature will decide that she does not represent their county well and will relieve her of her duties.
It's gotten to the point where this may call for a special session.
I'm not Catholic or anything, but I just never believed the Pope would have given her a private meeting. It's unfortunate he got hoodwinked, but that's better than having all of his new fans hate him.
R in NC
Are you kidding? She claimed to have a personal cuddlefest with the Pope? ::roll eyes::
DeletePeople paid to stand in a line and shake hands with him. Her lawyers or book publisher probably put up the money to burnish her career as a speaker or whatever. As a fervent born-again holy wanna-be martyr, I doubt that Davis herself was overcome with a desire to touch a Catholic preacher.
So, yes, Pope Francis was taken advantage of. However, the idea of charging for a handshake with a supposed religious leader for fundraising purposes means that his own hands are less than clean in this affair. Paying for indulgences, paying for prayers, paying for handshakes, it is all the same thing: another way for a filthy rich corporation to further increase its wealth.
I have no sympathy for him.
hauksdottir, The Catholic church abolished indulgences and other forms of selling service at the Council of Trent in around 1550.
DeleteDo try to keep up.
Could someone who has access to the text of her county's marriage license please check something? Is the person signing one saying anything more than that the legal requirements have been satisfied? Is there a clause that says the signer—or the signer's god—approves of the marriage? If not, then her refusal to sign "is the use of powers by government officials for illegitimate private gain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption refers.
ReplyDeleteHey Pope what do you think of Christian, church going, Sunday School teaching, Bible expert SARAH PALIN?
ReplyDeleteDo you agree with her behavior and lifestyle since the day she started walking?
What do you think of SarahPac? Do you believe it is a scam like like the rest of the world?
Pope we would ask if you condone, Todd, Track, Bristol and Willow's behavior since they started walking but never mind, why beat a dead horse.
I'm glad I never met them
DeleteKim was part of a group who got a hand shake, a rosary and a brief prayer, "Be Strong." If she wore a wig, it was so she would not be recognized by other people in the line who might be offended that she was there. And, let's remember that it was arranged by her lawyer who is also the head of a conservative religious organization. He is the one using Kim for his own purposes.
ReplyDeleteThere was one private audience granted during the pope's visit to Washington DC, and that wasn't Kim. It was with one of the pope's former students, a gay guy, the gay guy's boy friend and some of their friends and family. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/
The former student and his boy friend also met the with the pope personally in 2014 in Rome. The former student had a personal relationship with the pope, dating to a time long before Kim decided to become a conservative Christian. The lawyer has an ulterior motive. The former student was renewing a longstanding relationship. I don't believe a word that the opportunistic lawyer has to say.
I don't believe a word Kim Davis says either. She's as deep into the lies as her lawyer.
DeleteI think Richard Nixon assigned a name to such "operatives": Rat F@#$%^s.
DeleteThe Vatican's statement points out that Pope Francis held only one private audience, personally arranged, at the Vatican Embassy; and it was with his personal friend from Argentina, Yayo Grassi
Delete"Yayo Grassi, an openly gay man, brought his partner, Iwan Bagus, as well several other friends to the Vatican Embassy on September 23 for a brief visit with the Pope. A video of the meeting shows Grassi and Francis greeting each other with a warm hug."
Who would have thunk that Kim "Hate the gay, love the sinner" Davis could out grift and out hate Our Baldy! What is this world coming to? LOL!!
ReplyDeleteIs it just me or does Kim Davis look like she could be RAM's cousin? lololol
DeleteHi Gina, it's nice seeing your ugly face again.
Delete3:44 Gina is more beautiful on the inside than Sarah and Bristol are on the outside.
DeleteWhats so funny?
Delete@2:55 PM -- "Is it just me or does Kim Davis look like she could be RAM's cousin?"
DeleteHow about a sex video of the two of them going at each other? RAM can teach Kim the "true religion". Now you have to admit, that would be something else. Right?
I hope Pope Francis will find out who set this "meeting" up with Davis. Someone on his staff has a hidden agenda.
ReplyDeleteHow low can you go Kim Davis? So christian of you to brag about meeting the pope. Exaggerating the incident and actually embarrassing the Pontif while doing so. So christian of you. SCUM!
ReplyDeleteYAHOOOOO:
ReplyDelete"This is what it sounds like when a pope gets mad."
The real story behind the pope’s meeting with Kim Davis
On Friday, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi released anextraordinary statement, personally approved by Pope Francis, debunking nearly everything that has been reported this week about a meeting between the pope and Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who has refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
The private meeting between Davis, her husband, Joe, and the pope, which Davis’ attorney says took place at the Apostolic Nunciature (Vatican Embassy) in Washington, D.C. last Thursday? It didn’t happen. Instead, Davis was one of “several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet [Pope Francis] as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City,” Lombardi said in the statement.
Read more at
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-real-story-behind-the-1269547693457462.html
New York Times:
ReplyDeleteAs it turns out, the Vatican said on Friday, the pope did not mean to endorse Ms. Davis’s views. It also said he gave her no more than a typical brief greeting, despite what her lawyer described.
Me thinks Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples is narcissistic (like Sarah Palin) and should start signing marriage licenses.
ReplyDeleteShe has said that she won't consider resigning because she would lose her voice.
DeleteThat is all I need to know about that POS. She is just another attention whore.
She won't consider resigning because she would lose her $80,000 salary, which means much more to her than God ever has.
DeleteShe would also lose that sweet spotlight she loves so much.
DeleteKim Davis having a personal one on one with the Pope is like Sarah Palin flying all the way to Bethlehem to have a one on one with Jesus.
ReplyDeleteSarah Palin apparently had second thoughts about crossing an Israeli checkpoint to visit Jesus in Bethlehem during a three-day tour to Jerusalem and just settled on wearing her Star of David bling bling for her photo ops. (Snark).
She and her handlers were too stupid to go through the channels required to visit Bethlehem.
DeleteWhat is the Catholic Church's position regarding sex outside of marriage (which resulted in children who were adopted by another lover of the woman). What is the Catholic Church's position on divorce, marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce and marriage again and again. (I know. Kim Davis thinks so highly of marriage that she got married 4 different times). But what about those divorces? Isn't the Catholic Church about annulment? And those bastard kids, born outside of marriage? Oh, gee, even good Christians are going to have to explain why it was moral for Bristol "not to have an abortion" while "not having a parent for the huge disappointment who should be arriving pretty soon. Has anyone seen Bristol lately? I hope that after the Pope and Lima, Peru, Kim's 15 minutes are up, but having seen how the Palins keep coming back, I think that we'll be seeing more of Kim, too. If her husband still has the hillbilly duds, I see a reality show in their future.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the Catholic Church's position regarding … [list]
DeleteAh, but that was all before Kim was born again! Apparently, this gives one a get-out-of-sin-free card. None of that penance thing that Catholics are expected to do.
wth are you rambling on about 1:45? Oh, and shut up Ted.
DeleteAll her husband needed was a straw in his mouth and a wad of chaw in his cheek.
Delete2:52 -- you've gone out of bounds now. Time for you to retire for the evening. Rude, boorish insults.
DeleteI think Kim Davis is more or a Joe the Plumber flash in the pan than a Sarah Palin. She has no staying power and she has just committed a huge error in lying about her 15 seconds with the Pope.
DeleteThe Christo-Fascists will use her until she runs out of juice and then toss her aside.
As for what the Catholic Church does and does not condone, the Pope went to a prison last week. The people he chooses to meet are not all supposed to be saints, and especially not this pope. A huge part of his popularity is that he is so Christ-like and non-judgmental.
He meets thousands of people every week. He was duped by conservative American bishops, his predecessor's appointees, who are his political enemies. Papal intrigue has been going on for centuries. They probably told him she was a conscientious objector who had recently been imprisoned for her faith. He was kind to her. End of story except that now Francis knows better whom to get rid of among the American bishops.
I stand with 2:52. Sorry, but not sorry.
DeleteI stand with 3:37. Not only not sorry, but proud of it.
DeleteHere's an article about it -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.news.va/en/news/holy-see-press-office-issues-statement-on-popes-me
That's the Vatican's press release--the whole statement uninterrupted by journalistic interpretation.
DeleteThank you.
George Takei: Kim Davis Is No Rosa Parks
ReplyDeleteThe actor, activist, and internet hero to millions revisits the subject of antigay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis and her supporters, with a prediction that they are destined for 'the dust heap of history.'
Here are excerpts from Takei’s response, published in a blog on MSNBC.com:
"To her supporters, she is the Rosa Parks of religious liberty, someone who finally said, 'Enough is enough, I have rights, and I will fight for them.'
"When I view her behavior, however, I am reminded of a different character from the early civil rights era: Gov. George Wallace of Alabama. For those who weren’t born yet or simply don’t remember, Wallace was a staunch and vocal opponent to racial desegregation. For him, the sanctity of white privilege was a cherished way of life.
"Imagine if instead of denying a license to a gay couple, Ms. Davis had sought on religious grounds to deny a license to an interracial couple. She likely would have been fired on the spot, and no politicians would have rushed to stand by her side, no matter what her sincerely held religious convictions were. Discrimination based on sexual orientation is headed to a similar, inevitable end in the dust heap of history.
"And as with Gov. Wallace, decades from the day Davis stood her ground we will no doubt look back and wonder above all why so many stood with her."
Read entire post at
http://www.advocate.com/marriage-equality/2015/9/09/george-takeis-response-kim-davis-rally-right-target
I just realized after your post that Kim Davis even looks like wallace. Same malignant look in the eyes...could have been related.
DeleteI think Kim Davis is too clever by half. The dunce has managed to smear her own brand, LOL. Now that she has been outed as a liar by the Vatican, how much credibility will she have moving forward? I believe she's given those who, while agreeing with her, want her to sit down and shut up. I look forward to her buffoonish lawyer's next move.
ReplyDeleteThe whole thing with Kim Davis did not fit the Pope. He went out of his way on his trip to preach tolerance, acceptance and love.
ReplyDeleteSo, I was shocked when I read he supported a person full of hate like Kim Davis. Kim Davis does not represent tolerance, acceptance and love. She is a complete and utter Charlatan.
An article (link below) over at Salon said the Pope was basically set up by those who within the Church who are trying to discredit the Pope.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/02/the_vatican_confirms_that_pope_francis_was_ratfcked_into_meeting_kim_davis/
I would like to believe that the Pope was hoodwinked into meeting Kim Davis by those within the Church who have their own agenda.
Is anyone here really surprised that Kim Davis and her attorneys are proven liars?
ReplyDeleteWhat the Pope said to Terry on the plane ofter he left
ReplyDelete"But this is what he said."I can’t have in mind all cases that can exist about conscience objection. But, yes, I can say the conscientious objection is a right that is a part of every human right. It is a right. And if a person does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right.Conscientious objection must enter into every juridical structure because it is a right, a human right. Otherwise we would end up in a situation where we select what is a right, saying ‘this right that has merit, this one does not.’ It (conscientious objection) is a human right. It always moved me when I read, and I read it many times, when I read the “Chanson de Roland” when the people were all in line and before them was the baptismal font and they had to choose between the baptismal font or the sword. They had to choose. They weren’t permitted conscientious objection. It is a right and if we want to make peace we have to respect all rights."
However, Kim Davis isn't a conscientious objector. We see that she has bent her religious beliefs many times before, both in her profession and her private life.
DeleteAnalogy, someone wanting to claim conscientious objector status about not being drafted is going to have a pretty hard time having that argument accepted if it was found that he previously fought in many wars and was also a professional hit man.
I agree with him that conscientious objection is a human right. However, I do not see Kim Davis as a CO; she's a disgusting, lying, bigoted POS who unfortunately has been given a platform.
DeleteMore of what the Pope said:
Deletehttp://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/28/3706264/pope-francis-kim-davis/
No comment by Sarah or Bristol Palin regarding the Pope and whats her name.
ReplyDeleteBrancy must be away for the weekend.
Maybe she's assisting with a home birth at the palin's house. This way they can determine what bullshit they're going to feed the general public about this birth. This will give them time to plot a story of why this baby's daddy has had absolutely nothing to do with bristles during the pregnancy. Nor have the palins gone into an attack mode on who they suspect is the father.
DeleteWhat it boils down to is that at the age of 17/18 years old Levi Johnston stood up to the plate. He acknowledged paternity, never bad-mouthed bristles, paid child support that was inflated to the point one would think he was paying child support for more than one kid. He and his wife have welcomed his son into their home and requested to be able to have as much time with Tripp as his depraved mother allows.
Obviously this second victim of bristle's quest to trap a man isn't some high school kid the palin klan can manipulate and threaten into submission. He's either one who won't acknowledge he's the father or is planning to take bristle to court demanding a paternity
test and parental rights
I predict shit is going to hit the fan once this latest out-of-wedlock bundle is born.
No shit, Bennie? How about meeting with Bristy Palin and give her a laying on of hands? If you can stand to touch 'that, that has been touched many, many times.' Wash real good afterward, Bennie, in one of those fancy fountains outside your bitching crib in the middle Rone.
ReplyDeleteBennie?
DeleteWe're on to the next one now.
His name is Francis.
Try to keep up.
You sound like as big of a bigot as Kim Davis.
Delete2:24, you are disgusting
DeleteI read an interesting commentary that explains a bit to ease my weary mind (I'm not Catholic) but tired of Kim's crap.....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_10/the_case_for_the_pope_getting057905.php
Conclusion: "It’s a good pot-boiling tale, and a convincing one. But it’s a reminder that even in an institution like the Catholic Church that is supposedly an absolute monarchy ruled by the Vicar of Christ, there’s a lot more going on that what one man wants to say. "
I just got through yelling at the Vatican. They knew what a troublemaker Vigano is. They should have KNOWN he would pull a dirty stunt like this. He is far too wingnut to have any personal standards- and that's no secret. They shouldn't have trusted him.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking forward to seeing how they deal with him.
DeleteHe needs to be reassigned to arranging flowers for the altar of some lonely parish in rural Kentucky.
How many special statements has the Vatican felt compelled to release because someone blessed by Pope Francis sought to distort and use the blessing for political capital?
ReplyDeleteOn....that would be one.
Way to go super Christian, Matt Staver, and Liberty Counsel!
LOL!
DeleteAnd Kim Davis fears she's hell bound for giving gays marriage licenses. She has no clue what kind of smiting she's due for when she shows up at the pearly gates.
They say in 2006, Gov Sarah Palin was against extended health and retirement benefits to same sex partners of Alaska's state employees.
ReplyDeleteWhat was Gov Sarah Palin's stance on having her son's girlfriend as an executive secretary to Gov Sarah Palin?
What was Gov Sarah Palin's stance on cronyism when her high school BFF was placed in charge of Alaska's agriculture just because she liked cows when she was growing up?
Executive Secretary for babysitting Piper Palin
DeleteI think that was her proper job title.
That's why I never had any sympathy for Britta, she brought everything on herself. At least now that she's not a member of the toxic Palin inner circle she has done something constructive with her life, but for years she corruptly took a handsome salary knowing she had no qualifications for- and didn't carry out any duties warranting- that level of taxpayer money.
How much was Britta making when she was a state employee?
DeleteSpeaking of cows, why does Kim Davis always dress like she's going out to milk the cows?
DeleteDavis knows Huckabee is on her side. Now she "knows" the pope is in agreement with her and claims validates what she is doing. What's next? Secret meetings with publishers and reality tv show producers? I'm sure her jesus approves of her milking her 15 minutes.
ReplyDeleteWingnut Kentuckian elevated to a high position in the church. This is what you get. Kurtz was probably delighted at the opportunity to bring Francis down.
ReplyDeleteImagine those babies who didn't get blessed because Kim Davis and her entourage took up all the space.
A pox on her house.
The meeting between Ms. Davis and the pope was brokered by Archbishop Carlo Vigano, napal nuncio to the United States of America. In short, Vigano, a Ratzinger loyalist, who has been conspicuous and publicly involved in the same cause as Kim Davis and her legal team, arranged a meeting with Davis that the legal team uses to its great public advantage. Archbishop Vigano and Ms. Davis' shyster lawyer, Matt Staver, were both involved in an anti-same sex marriage march in Washington sponsored the National Organization for Marriage, a borderline hate group. The poor old pope didn't know anything about Ms. Davis and offered her the usual warm encouragement that he offers everyone, especially gay people. Now, the Vatican is trying to backtrack and the Vatican spokesman is suggesting that people should ask the papal nuncio for clarification about why the meeting was arranged. Archbishop Vigano is a rightist malevolent force and his action was an attempt to take down a popular and marginally liberal pope.
ReplyDeleteHear, hear.
DeleteWhat's funny is that Vigano has the courage of his convictions, such as they are. The pope agrees with those convictions. He just doesn't want to be so obvious about it.
DeleteA preist, a lawyer and a hick meet the pope.......ah I forgot the rest of the joke.
ReplyDeleteAnd the hick's husband. Was he wearing his overalls?
DeleteYou made me LOL anyway.
DeleteAlthough I am not religious, I was raised thru the Catholic system... it never took... But for the life of me, I really don't understand your fascination with this Gryphen, being a self described atheist, why you care what the pope does? I don't care and I was raised Catholic.
ReplyDeleteYou have blown this way out of proportion. Do you think the Catholic church, feel good pope or not, is going to bow down to the American left wing militant gay agenda? That is laughable.
"Concerned Troll" much?
DeleteIf you have to ask, you just don't get it. I'm a Catholic with a gay family member. I get it.
DeleteOh god... it is a 'call people a troll' poster.... That make you feel like an internet big shot 3:37.... using the 'troll' word? Maybe you can tell your hubby all about it when he gets home from work... how you called someone a troll on the internets today!... Welcome to the 90's internet lol. Dumbass.
DeleteHow the fuck would this even be a 'concerned' comment dumbass? Asking why Gryph cares about this essential non-event, is a concern? Why?
It speaks to the Pope's character and integrity.
DeleteBlown it way out of proportion? Deceit is what Gryph is calling attention to. If your catholicism "never took," what's it to you?
DeleteIf anyone sounds militant, 2:51 PM, it's you.
Simple, he appears to be a good man, wit ha lot of charisma and persuasive power. I always hate it when good people are used. I imagine Gryphen feels the same - but you 2:51 appear to have no issue with injustice. You're morally apathetic at best, a liar at worst.
DeleteI was raised Catholic but am not religious now. I care a whole bunch if this horrible bigoted hick is going to lie and misrepresent the Pope and try to use him for her horrible bigoted purposes.
DeleteWhy did she even bother to meet him since her religion teaches that he is the anti-Christ?
She is excrement and deserves the worst public condemnation for this little stunt that is possible.
I was raised Protestant and fairly recently became agnostic and I think it is a newsworthy topic. Just because I dont agree with Catholic teachings doesn't mean that it is right to lie and misrepresent your interaction with someone such as the Pope. It's just not right.
Delete2:51 here..... so let me get this straight (no pun intented).... now you guys are all hating on Ms. Davis apparently, when just yesterday you were all hating on the pope? lol.
Delete4:12 I probably am morally apathetic, but a liar? Where did I lie, I'm asking a question, why does anyone give a shit whether the pope did or didn't meet with Ms. Davis?? I just dont get the big deal. First you guys were all up in arms that apparently he had some 'secret' meeting with her. What the fuck, do you all think he instilled some super powers in her or something? I mean really wtf? The pope meets with all types of people around the world including incarcerated murderers et al.
And 3:39, so you are catholic and have a gay family member.... again so what? Lots of people are catholic and have gay family members and friends. Do you think this pope, just because he is a friendly pope, is going to change the institutional dogma of the church? lol. Do you really? What do you think the catholic church is going to start marrying gay people lol???? Are you sure that you are catholic?
Because 6:49/3:52 you claim all you did was ask Gryphen a question and that would have been fine if you didn't then accuse him of blowing Kim Davis' meeting with the pope all out of proportion and to top that off added "bow down to the American left wing militant gay agenda".
DeleteIt must have taken great restraint to not call Gryph and the readers here "libturds". Yep. You're a bonafide RIGHT WING TROLL.
This defense of the pope is downright bizarre. He and Kim Davis are likethis re gay marriage. They both believe that it violates God's law. The pope has made that very clear.
Delete8:55 - The difference is that the Pope is doing his job and Kim Davis is refusing to do hers.
Delete6:49/3:52 - Not all of us were criticizing the Pope yesterday. I wasn't. Along with a lot of others, I was wondering what the real story was because this was so out of character for Francis. Now we know.
The pope doing his "job" screws a hell of a lot more people than Kim Davis does doing hers. Not to mention which, the Pope can change the rules of his whenever he wants. He doesn't want to.
DeleteNo 8:55 they are not likethat because of one big difference. The pope has been friends for years with gays who are actually married while Kim Davis doesn't believe they should have equal rights at all. In fact with so many clergy sodomizing little boys and those that never had sex with women that the vatican has protected for centuries I'm sure he unknowingly knows of many more.
DeleteThe vatican released this statement bout Grassi, the pope's gay friend: "“Mr. Yayo Grassi, a former Argentine student of Pope Francis, who had already met other times in the past with the Pope, asked to present his mother and several friends to the Pope during the Pope’s stay in Washington, DC,” the statement read. “As noted in the past, the Pope, as pastor, has maintained many personal relationships with people in a spirit of kindness, welcome and dialogue.”
In addition there is video showing Francis embracing both Grassi and his partner. Where is Kim's video embracing gays?
Grass told the media that he and his partner, Iwan, also met with the pope last year in Rome, and that Francis has never disparaged his sexuality.
“He has never been judgmental,” Grassi said. “He has never said anything negative.”
To put it flatly Kim Davis IS judgmental. I doubt she has any gay friends (that she knows of) while the pope is not. So Davis and the pope are not likethat.
And 8:55 the pope hangs out with gay sinners while Kim Davis refuses to even do her job as a civil servant with them.
DeleteHanging out with gay sinners is good PR for the Pope. But that's all it is. The Catholic Church, of which the Pope is the head, still considers them sinners unless they are celibate, it still forbids them to marry in the church, and it still condemns gay adoption. It always will, as long as Francis has anything to say about it.
Delete6:50 The pope was hanging with these gay sinners for 19 years because that's how long they have been life friends. Gay marriage wasn't even on the radar back then so this isn't a PR issue.
DeleteKim Davis is a great argument for sending your kids to Sunday School. That way they can rebel when they grow up instead of becoming religious extremists. If your daughter chooses to become a slut like Kim Davis did, then she won't mistakenly believe that hurting other people will redeem her, because she'll know otherwise.
ReplyDeleteOK--warning! Going to get snarky now: won't comment on Kim's weight because a lot of us have trouble with weight. She DOES need to wash her unattractive hair. You notice she doesn't wear make-up, but has managed to pluck her eye-brows into oblivion? HA!
ReplyDeleteIs using shampoo and a hairbrush against her religion?
DeleteI'll comment on her weight because although a lot of us have problems in that area, not all of us are holy roller hypocrite bitches.
DeleteHer bible makes it very clear that gluttony is a sin. She needs to stop stuffing her face and stop meddling in gay peoples private lives.
@3:15 -- You want her to wash her classic cult-wife hairdo? It probably won't happen. Hillbillies love that musky odor; it's a sexual attractant. It also keeps flies away.
DeleteTHEY ASKED HER TO CHANGE HER HAIR;
DeleteStaver, however, insists:
This was a private meeting initiated by the Vatican. My contacts were Vatican officials in the United States. And I was informed the request came directly from the pontiff.
Staver said the request had come on September 14, the day Davis returned to work after her release from jail. Davis and her husband were picked up at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in a van by private security guards who spoke Italian, he said. She had been instructed to change her hairstyle so she would not be identified.
I feel bad that I got suckered and was bashing the pope over this. It really sounds like somebody pulled a fast one on him.
ReplyDeleteAnd the only ones who really got a private audience with the pope were a gay could that were old friends of his.
Meanwhile, the deeply religious, faithful, principled Christian Kim Davis allowed her lawyers to lie about meeting the Pope
The woman really is scum
It was barely a receiving line "hello," certainly not a "meeting."
ReplyDeleteThere's something rotten in the Vatican. I watched RAI, the italian station, and Lombardi's "take" morphed from "It didn't happen" to "It may have happened, His Holiness met with many people and was physically exhausted at times" to, today, it DID happen, she was with a group of pilgrims, among whom happened to be a former gay student of the Pope, his same sex partner, and their (adopted/ in vitro) children, the Pope turns no one away and may not have been cognizant of the politics surrounding Mrs. Davis" (paraphrased from memory, and may or may not change tomorrow or anytime in the future.
ReplyDeleteMy ONLY question would be, Why did the story change when the truth wouldn't have to from the beginning?
There was no change in story and nothing untruthful.
DeleteThey never said it didn't happen. They initially didn't confirm or deny, which is quite different.
They obviously got caught off guard. They didn't know anything about her and got snookered by their own people, enemies from within.
They had to do some research on her and have now released a statement that is very clear that the Pope does not support Kim Davis and her ilk.
Political intrigue and infighting has swirled around the Vatican for centuries. This is a nonevent. A little inconsequential culture warrior tried to make points by using the Pope. It worked for one news cycle, but at the cost of her credibility. From now on, she'll be known as the asshole who lied about the Pope.
From "It didn't happen" to "It may have happened" to "it did happen" were Lombardi's words reported in Italian Media, which surrounds the Vatican and has nothing to do wit what they put out publicly. The neither confirm nor deny part was reported here in the states.
DeleteI agree it's a non event, but someone other than Kim and her ilk are not telling the truth. It ultimately comes from Lombardi or it would't have had to change.
I have a feeling her attorney set this up for the publicity.
ReplyDeleteWhy would Kim, who doesn't even consider the Pope a Christian meet with him? another 15 mins of fame.
Did she take a sick day or vacation day off from her $80K/year job that is so important ?
Are we sure Davis & Palin don't have the same advisers? Another backfire.
DeleteSo the truth has come out, and as I commented on Gryphen's Wednesday post on this topic, the Pope was indeed almost ambushed here.
ReplyDeleteDavis and her conniving attorney have been exposed as schemers trying to trade on the Pope's power and popularity. Not only did the Pope not grant Davis a private audience; he chose to have a confidential encounter with a former student of his, Yayo Grassi, a gay man, along with Grassi's partner and some family friends.
First the 100,000-strong Peruvian prayer vigil hoax, and now a failed attempt to use the Pope to further her biased cause. If Kim Davis wants to stay in the limelight, she should hire better PR people.
Please - she's a moron, and the only "professionals" involved here are her lawyers with their hands out.
DeleteWell, my father and the nuns told me that I am never getting to heaven, but I suspect that there's a special place in hell for her now. It's times like this that I hope there really is one, because I don't want that bitch hanging around with me and my friends there.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/index.html
ReplyDeleteKim Davis must be jealous. Her meeting isn't even on video lol.
DeleteWas Pope Francis Actually Swindled into Meeting Kim Davis?
ReplyDelete"First of all, let us stipulate that there are more than a few members of the Church's permanent bureaucracy, both within the Clan Of The Red Beanie and without, who are not happy that this gentleman got elected Pope, and who are not happy with what he's done and said since he was. Second, let us stipulate that many members of this group are loyal to both former pope Josef Ratzinger and, through him, to the memory (and to what they perceive as the legacy) of John Paul II who, for good and ill, had a much different idea of how to wield a papacy than Papa Francesco does. Third, let us stipulate that this opposition to the current pope has been active and vocal, to say nothing of paranoid. Finally, let us stipulate that, for over 2000 years, the Vatican has been a hotbed of intrigue, betrayal, and sanctified ratfcking on a very high scale. (It also has been a hotbed of, well, hot beds, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.) So, if you're one of these people, and you're looking to ratfck the pope's visit to the United States, and to his agenda in general, you'd be looking to put him in a box. So, how would you do that?"
more at
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38440/pope-francis-swindled-kim-davis-meeting/
Anonymous5:56 PM asked
ReplyDeleteHow much was Britta making when she was a state employee?
Lets see now, Sarah Palin was the governor, Britta was her son's sperm bank, Palin's motto is what's in it for us. So I'm sure Britta didn't make minimum wage, am I right Sarah Palin?
Wasn't Britta the executive secretary to Gov Sarah Palin? Pretty young to be an executive secretary.
DeleteTHE SHIT, IT JUST GETs DEEPER.
ReplyDeleteOH YEH,
'http://freethinker.co.uk/2015/10/03/vatican-in-a-mess-over-toxic-kim-davis/
Lol. Some third of fourth tier internet news source for athiests/secularists still hanging on to the last threads of what is truly a non-story to begin with. Keep trying bucko.
DeleteTHIS TOO: FUCK they all lie..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34432701
What is the lie? A priest challenged the Catholic sytem he is ingrained to by announcing he is gay and in a gay relationship, and they fired his ass. Of course they did, there is zero, zilch, nada surprise here. No lie. The Catholic church does not condone such actions by a priest ever.
DeleteFind a story that actually means something.