Over thirty minutes long, but well worth your time to listen. Unless of course you like you biblical mythology to remain undisturbed.
I remember back in the 1980's when I first started to learn that the facts uncovered by biblical scholars completely refuted claims made in the Bible.
Even though I was already a non-believer I have to admit that I was stunned by the fact that essentially EVERYTHING in the book is revealed as false by the facts.
I think the two that stunned me the most, was first that the Egyptians did not keep Jewish slaves, and therefore the Exodus of the Old Testament is pure fiction, and second that in the early stages of Judaism there were multiple gods and not one all powerful god.
Remember Christians today are taught that the Jews ALWAYS worshiped the one true God, and that the story of Adam and Eve is revealed truth that has been passed down since the beginning of time.
And all of that is pure biblical bullshit.
But if you really really like your theological stew difficult to swallow, investigate the eye rolling concoction served up by the Mormons. Boy howdy, that'll confuse the palate, sho nuff.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you really want to tick them off, point out that their founder was a known CON man!
DeleteCon man and pervert!
DeleteOne can balk and mock all they want at the bible. Yet, they can't explain everything, which is, what was the POWER that drove men to have such conviction and have a one-on-one meeting with God. However, I can agree with those who need evidence, about how some type of christian would balk and mock evolutionists and believers, and that is wrong. Their witness is wrong and they don't show God's true love.
ReplyDeleteNow that we have that established, is it necessary to hurt believers and put down a man who changed his life around after he found Christ? Who would roll their eyes at those who believe Abraham did seek God and was the forefather of Christ? Who would care if it is just a false religion or not? If one trusts in science only and is convinced, why the need to condemn others who trust in the Creator?
When you meet the Lord, you don't care about pride, and what your associates think, or what science might disagree with you on. If others find a higher power, why do an autopsy their lack of facts, mock their faith? Is it untrendy or foolish to have faith? We have faith in that pilot and surgeon.
Faith is a gift, when asked for, it will be given, really, it will. It's a bond between God and man, and the only one that finally, men can't exploit. It's personal, heart-pounding, filled with the presence of His Spirit, and no man can take that away, even if they burn every bible out there and convince society to do away with christianity. Faith in the true God is not a religion, and never was meant to be. It's above and beyond what we mere mortals can comprehend, but when some find it, it is marvelous.
It would be unpolitically-correct to turn a mocking eye towards those who believe. However, while it's true that some believers have betrayed the full gospel because they don't yield to God's love, fail to put their pride and idols away, because they're rich and feel they need nothing, the true christians who truly love their God, would not offend an ant. By their fruit, the bible says.
Rotten fruit can come from those who don't believe too. G., you can call it 'bullshit' and have every right to. But, I've been coming here for 8 years and never called your beliefs 'bullshit'.
One can balk and mock all they want at Middle East mythology. Yet, they can't explain everything, which is, what was the POWER that drove men to have such conviction and have a one-on-one meeting with Odin! However, I can agree with those who need evidence, about how some type of Norsemen would balk and mock evolutionists and believers, and that is wrong. Their witness is wrong and they don't show Odin's true love.
DeleteNow that we have that established, is it necessary to hurt believers and put down a man who changed his life around after he found Odin? Who would roll their eyes at those who believe Odin was the forefather of Thor? Who would care if it is just a false religion or not? If one trusts in science only and is convinced, why the need to condemn others who trust in Odin?
When you meet Odin, you don't care about pride, and what your associates think, or what science might disagree with you on. If others find a higher power, why do an autopsy on their lack of facts, mock their faith? Is it untrendy or foolish to have faith? We have faith in that pilot and surgeon.
Faith is a gift, when asked for, it will be given, really, it will. It's a bond between Odin and man, and the only one that finally, men can't exploit. It's personal, heart-pounding, filled with the presence of Odin, and no man can take that away, even if they change the hallowed names of our weekdays and convince society to do away with Norse religion. Faith in Odin is not a religion, and never was meant to be. It's above and beyond what we mere mortals can comprehend, but when some find it, it is marvelous.
It would be politically incorrect to turn a mocking eye towards those who believe. However, while it's true that some believers have betrayed the full gospel because they don't yield to Odin's love, fail to put their pride and idols away, because they're rich and feel they need nothing, the true Norsemen who truly love their god, would not offend an ant. By their fruit, Odin says.
Rotten fruit can come from those who don't believe too. G., you can call it 'bullshit' and have every right to. But, I've been coming here for 8 years and never called your beliefs 'bullshit'.
As an atheist, he doesn't have any.
DeleteI agree, 7:31AM. Ignore the naysayers, and keep your wise mind open.
Delete“And this I believe: that the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: the freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual. This is what I am and what I am about.”
― John Steinbeck, East of Eden
A double helping of bullshit, 7:31.
DeleteSo you need evidence to NOT believe but you need no evidence TO believe?
DeleteNot sure about "all Christians believe". I was talking to a Catholic high school class last month and I joked about whether or not I could say "millions of years of evolution". Of course, they said, science is welcome here. Apparently their interpretation of biblical stories is seen through the prism of Aquinas' ‘Ipse Actus Essence subsistens'. High school students but keenly interested in philosophy. Not your average evangelical.
ReplyDeleteI went to RCC schools from K to 16 and was taught evolution way back in the 60's. It's only recently that the winger fundies have made it a huge deal.
Delete7:31 WAKE THE FUCK UP! IT IS ALL (every faith) BULLSHIT!!
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I found this conversation about historical accuracy between Richard Dawkins and John Huddlestun enjoyable. But historical accuracy is all they are discussing.
ReplyDelete"...teaching the Bible in a secular, liberal arts institution can be a subversive enterprise. Any talk of authors, redactors, compilers, and their motivating ideologies situates the biblical text within its human context, and ultimately explains it as a human product, an approach in accord with the humanities. As a historian of religion, I do not presume to get into the mind of the deity in the Bible or speculate about divine motivations aside from what is present in the text. Students frequently ask me, "Why did God, who is omniscient, do X with Abraham and not Y?" I can offer plenty of reasons—literary, social, historical, political, etc.—for why the author or editor might wish to portray the biblical deity in such a fashion, but as an academic in a secular institution I deal with socio-political, literary and other motivating factors, rather than timeless theological truths."
John Huddlestun.
It is historically accurate to say the Bible may be the most important piece of Western literature--serving concrete political, cultural and religious purposes.
It is historically accurate to say the Bible is an eloquent expression of the deeply rooted sense of shared origins, experiences, and destiny that every human community needs in order to survive, written in such a way as to encompass the men, women, and children, the rich, the poor, and the destitute of an entire community.
And still total BS.
DeleteOne shocking moment for me was finding out that Adam had another wife before Eve and she was scrubbed from the bible but not the Torah. Her name was Lilith and was created from the same dust as Adam but refused to be subservient to him and was cast out and then Eve was created from the Rib of Adam, therefore more subservient. Supposedly. Just thought that was interesting.
ReplyDeletehttp://judaism.about.com/od/jewishculture/a/Lilith-In-The-Torah-Talmud-And-Midrash.htm
Delete"According to Jewish folklore Lilith was Adam’s first wife. Though she is not mentioned in the Torah, over the centuries she became associated with Adam as a way to explain the fact that there are two contradictory versions of Creation in the book of Genesis."
"Lilith is mentioned four times in the Babylonian Talmud, though in each of these cases she is not referred to as Adam’s wife."
Specifically, Lilith refused to "lie beneath him" -- i.e., wanted to be on top sexually. Every since her name has been considered the name of a demon. True story. Sexual repression of women has been around a very, very long time.
DeleteIntelligent, inquiring minds. Not lemmings following mythology off a cliff.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Gryphen, it was well worth watching. We don't get this type of conversation on our television, yet in Europe, it's pretty common and the people are better for it. That being said, I don't buy into any organized religion.
ReplyDeletewhen you understand why you reject all other gods, then you will understand why i reject yours.
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