Tuesday, February 23, 2016

Pope calls for worldwide ban on the death penalty.

"This is going to work better if you DON'T read the book."
Courtesy of Reuters:  

Pope Francis on Sunday called for the worldwide abolition of the death penalty, saying the commandment "You shall not kill" was absolute and equally valid for the guilty as for the innocent. 

Using some of his strongest words ever against capital punishment, he also called on Catholic politicians worldwide to make "a courageous and exemplary gesture" by seeking a moratorium on executions during the Church's current Holy Year, which ends in November. 

"I appeal to the consciences of those who govern to reach an international consensus to abolish the death penalty," he told tens of thousands of people in St. Peter's Square. 

"The commandment "You shall not kill," has absolute value and applies to both the innocent and the guilty," he told the crowd.

Uh, hey I don't want to be "that guy," and  I totally support this idea, but has the Pope read the book that is supposed to provide his moral compass?

For instance there is this passage from Deuteronomy 17:

2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, 
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 
 4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. 

Yeah I know, that's the Old Testament and a lot of Christians like to pretend that they get all of their moral guidance from the New Testament.

Well if true then this is what you are instructed to do in Luke 19:27:

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Like I said, the Bible does not exactly give clear instructions on not murdering.

And if you want to choose God as your moral barometer.....well you don't want to choose God as your moral barometer.

By some estimates, just in the Bible alone, God has murdered somewhere between just below 3 million to 25 million people.

And if you take Creationists at their word, that death did not exist until after Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge, that means every single creature that walks, swims, or flies on this planet has been murdered by God since that time just to punish mankind for the actions of two ignorant people.

So like I said, good on the Pope for calling for an end to the death penalty, but maybe he wants to base his reasoning on something less hypocritical like, I don't know, the Game of Thrones books for instance?


  1. Anonymous12:49 PM

    I have to say how unfortunate it is for most of the money Levi grifted off Rex and Tank's lies went to them when it could've been added to the college fund Bristol created for Tripp when he was a baby. Sure the fund, as palingates said, has plenty for a good college, but it could've been more. Or the money could've gone to the bank account Bristol has for him, that he can access at 18.

    Bristol filed for child support in Feb 2010 or around there. Right after a chunk of change was made by the team. And Rex indirectly fought that or told Levi to ignore it. Maybe because REX is unethical. At least Levi himself has never had money problems and has always been able to afford extravagant things. That's a blessing despite being dicked over by nasty liberals and his own sister who started his problems in the first place.

    1. Anonymous1:12 PM

      Are you lost?

    2. 12:49....HUH?

      What the FUCK Alicia?? This is about the POPE...not Slutty the slut slut Beefy Palin! You still can't get the taste of Sadie out cha mouth huh!

      Bitch....you straight up crazy! Never change Alicia!


    3. Anonymous1:17 PM

      There's obviously a reason that Gryphen let this through.

    4. Anonymous1:19 PM

      Alicia just can't help herself.

    5. 1:17pm...

      Uh huh....and that would beeeeee....



    6. 1:17pm, so we can mock the stupidity? Certainly not because it's valid.

    7. Anita Winecooler5:18 PM

      College Fund Bristol started? Bwaaaaahhhhhhaaaaa, good one. College gives the palins hives, and a free one night stand. They don't need college, they do hair, and skin debt free!!!!

  2. London Bridges12:58 PM

    Good thing war is not killing!

  3. Anonymous1:01 PM

    Anon 12:49 -- if you're going to be ridiculous, at least keep it on topic.

    The Pope did nothing to deserve the likes of Bristol Palin!

  4. I used to be OK with the death penalty. I'm not any more. Doesn't have anything to do with established religion or conventional morality. And there isn't anyone or any group that 'talked me into it'. I just ... changed my mind.
    One of my chief objections is that having a death penalty on the books in no way deters crime, as some like to suggest it does. I just now realized (no kidding, really, just now as I was writing this post) that I would rather work, spend my energies/money, deterring crime, preventing crime from happening, rather than punishing people for committing crimes after said crime has happened. Now, how that happens ... tricky.

    1. Anonymous1:14 PM

      Besides, if even one wrongly convicted person is executed it's on all our heads. And you know it's happened more than once.

    2. I thought I was for the death penalty until I met it's fans.

      Barbaric and uncivilized.

    3. I haven't been for the death penalty because I couldn't pull the lever or inject someone with lethal drugs myself. And I don't think i should put that on someone else. The death penalty is obviously not a deterrent to crime, it's become a form of torture. While i despise murderers and rapists and such, I personally couldn't torture them until they die, or put a needle in their arm.

      I am dismayed to see that the pope hasn't talked against sending people to war.

    4. dragonfly, Pope Francis speaks out against war frequently and passionately. He has referred to the current conflicts as World War III, being fought piece-meal. In homilies, he calls war madness which ruins everything. He speaks of weeping for the victims of ceaseless wars.

      The Catholic Catechism makes the case for waging only "just war," and the term is specifically defined to a very narrow set of circumstances.

  5. Anonymous1:22 PM

    The death penalty is a travesty for three reasons:

    1. It isn't applied equally - minorities and poor people are more likely to receive the death penalty for the same crimes/circumstances as White middle/upper SES.

    2. You can't reverse the death penalty and we know our justice system is far from perfect.

    3. The government should not be in the business of murdering its citizens. We can't trust them and it's a barbaric practice we should be above by now.

  6. Anonymous1:24 PM

    Gryphon, sometimes I think you flog the religion thing too much. The death penalty is a sanctioned way for "the state" to kill people it decides don't deserve to live.
    The Pope is the leader of a billion Roman Catholics. His views will have an impact -- raising the issue, debating the issue, and possibly changing the minds of enough people to abolish their right to kill other citizens.

    1. Anonymous5:21 PM

      Except for once, the Crusades were perfectly fine and dandy..... say WHAT????????

  7. Anonymous1:35 PM

    Any no load can interpret any sentence in the fuckin' bible to justify their actions. It's all cover my ass, I'm waving a bible. There are so many stupid fuckin' people in this beautiful country. So sad.

  8. Anonymous1:38 PM

    Our pope needs secret service level security.

  9. Anonymous1:40 PM

    Hey Gryphen the Bible does give clear instructions on not murdering. Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation. It is thought shalt not murder. Luke 19:27 refers to future prophecy when the twelve tribes of the nation of Israel take back rulership of this world. Anyone from the other nations that refuses to be ruled by the Israelite, is to be brought before son of The Most High and slain. The Bible is not a book for everyone. It is only relevant for and to the nation of Israel that is why most people do not get it. They are not Israelites.

    1. Anonymous1:51 PM

      "It is only relevant for and to the nation of Israel..."

      Well, relevant to Israelite MEN.

    2. A J Billings3:09 AM

      You are 100% incorrect about the "bible" being only for Jews.

      The Pentateuch was for the Jews, (first 5 books) as was/is most of the Old Testament.

      The New Testament (if you are a believer) ushered in a new era, at least according to Pauline doctrine, and most evangelicals today believe exactly that.

      Why else would Paul say that, "there is neither Jew or Gentile" in Galatians 3:28?

      The entire point of orthodox 1st century Christianity was that Yeshua fulfilled the law and the prophets, bringing redemption to anyone, not just the Israelites.

      Unless you are speaking metaphorically about "Israelites" as some latter day cults do, you are totally in error, and your belief system does not stand up to even a cursory interpretation of the New testament.

      FYI as an athiest, I don't have a dog in the fight, but you at least ought to get your facts straight.

  10. Anonymous1:43 PM


  11. Anonymous1:47 PM

    2 Peter 1:20 no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation.

    1. Anonymous7:30 AM

      What you call scripture, many of us call iron age mythology.

  12. Anonymous1:48 PM

    The Pope floats trial balloons at random intervals so people will be distracted from questioning the various things that are wrong with the Catholic Church. I don't think the Pope or assorted Vatican powers-behind-the-throne give a damn about the death penalty.

    Meanwhile the Archbishop of St. Louis is telling Catholics that the answer to the very, very important question of "Can I still buy Girl Scout cookies?" is “Each person must act in accord with their conscience.”

    I think the Catholic hierarchy is solely concerned with distracting people from the fact that they prefer women get unsafe abortions in back alleys. Or checking on the latest child abuse cover ups. And, of course, dodging questions about, just the hell, how wealthy is the Catholic church and where does all the money go.

    The Catholic church has a ton of sins they don't want discussed. So puffing up some "moral" question is a great distraction tactic.

  13. My guess is that the Republicans are not going to like what the Pope has said that we should not kill the innocent, or the guilty. This will just be more pent up anger the Republicans will have toward the Pope.

  14. Anonymous2:35 PM

    Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

    Wow, I bet that cross the Pope is clutching is worth a bundle of money.

    1. A J Billings3:10 AM

      Some have estimated the ancient treasures hidden in the Vatican being worth well over 100 billion dollars, or even more.

      If they have any of the original Jewish 2nd temple artifacts, just one of those is priceless.

  15. Gonzales Syndrome2:56 PM

    The Pope should pray for an end to the epidemic of Gonzales Syndrome which interferes with many investigations into wrongdoing by important men in the RCC and political offices.

    Gonzales Syndrome (possibly named for former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales) tends to be a selective affliction affecting mainly important men tasked with trying to explain or deny their participation in conspiracies and cover-ups of wrongdoing in certain child abuse and child rape cases. Usually the perpetrator of the sex crimes is a church official.

    The diagnosis is obvious. Investigators, prosecutors, victims, judges and juries will either think or will be heard to say out loud things like "How Convenient!". They will say this at the time or shortly after the afflicted witnesses are showing signs of Gonzales Syndrome and thus unable to admit or deny events and sex crimes which are known to have occurred.

    Researchers have not yet confirmed that these events were the inspiration for Dana Carvey's Church Lady character on SNL.

    A recent outbreak of Gonzales Syndrome is ongoing in Australia. This time it is afflicting church officials implicated in covering-up for a fellow church official who happens to be an convicted serial child rapist. The Perpetrator was convicted and sent to prison twice for raping children despite the cover-ups and obstructions by the same people now exhibiting classic Gonzales Syndrome.

    "Brother Dowlan admitted to Brother Nangle that he hit a child – identified only as BWG – with a belt, in 1973. The buckle imprinted itself on the child's body; on the tops of his legs, his crotch region and his lower back. He was badly bruised. The boy's mother told police later that Brother Nangle talked her out of going to the police at the time because it would be a "big blot" on the church and school.

    Brother Nangle told the commission he could not remember the event.

    "I was never aware of these injuries," he said.

    In 1973, the year Brother Dowlan arrived at the school from St Thomas More Boys' Regional College in Nunawading, Brother Nangle needed to intervene in "uproar and commotion" in the boarders' dormitory one night, very late. A student, Paul Tatchell, was put in the school's "matron's parlour" while his parents were summoned from Merino, three hours away.

    "My recollection is that this student had a history of disruptive behaviour and this incident was in accordance with his previous history."

    When his parents arrived the boy was taken to a room with his father and Brother Nangle where he said "they're a heap of poofters, get me out of here".

    Brother Nangle said he now knew that Brother Dowlan had raped children, but did not know then. He denied knowing that Brother Dowlan was a "serious problem" in the 1970s."


    Information on some of the crimes and criminal behavior by church officials and convict Brother Edward Dowlan which may be the cause of this episode of Gonzales Syndrome:


  16. Anonymous5:30 PM

    I'm against it for totally different reasons. It's not a deterrent, it's enforced selectively based on the amount of melanin in one's skin are two HOOOOGE ones. Thanks for tossing your hat in the ring, Pope Francis! Was there one that said "Though shalt not covet/molest innocent children in your care"? NO? Are you sure there were only two stone tablets?

  17. Anonymous6:41 PM

    At last! The pro-life movement that really means something in terms of peace and justice for all. I'm in...

  18. The text lifted from Luke is from the parable of the 10 gold coins (minas) and the person who refers to slaying those who wouldn't follow him as king is a nobleman, identified by scholars as Archelaus. This may be an honest mistake on Gryphen's part. Heaven knows theology is not his forte, as we see every time he brings up religion.


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