Thursday, March 03, 2016

Well it appears that my daughter was right about Bernie Sanders supporters.

Courtesy of the Washington Times:  

The movement is called “Bernie or Bust,” and it means just that: If Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont loses the Democratic presidential nomination, a group of his supporters will either write in his name in the general election or consider casting their ballot for a Republican. 

The one thing they certainly won’t do: Vote for Hillary Clinton. 

More than 50,000 people already have signed up at the Revolt Against Plutocracy, pledging to vote for the Green Party candidate in the general election or write in Mr. Sanders’ name if Mrs. Clinton wins the Democratic nomination. Other groups, such as Grassroots Action for Bernie, are taking to social media, using Facebook and Twitter to try to get the “Bernieorbust” hashtag trending. 

Even Sanders supporters not tied to the movement, or unaware of its existence, seem to agree with its principles, making one thing clear: The Democratic National Committee and Mrs. Clinton will have a hard time attracting many of Mr. Sanders’ voters.

Okay keep in mind that the Washington Times is the paper owned by Sun Myung Moon, so everything they write must be taken with a giant gran of salt.

However the paper is not the only place reporting this.

Of course in my opinion these are the actions of petulant children who do not see the big picture, and are simply going to take their ball, or in this case vote, and go cry in their room because they are not getting their way.

And that is not all that they are doing.

Check this out:

More than 45,000 people have signed a petition calling for the arrest and prosecution of former President Bill Clinton for what they alleged were violations of Massachusetts election laws — even though state officials have said he acted legally. 

Leading up to his wife's victory over U.S. Sen Bernie Sanders of Vermont in the Massachusetts primary on Tuesday, the former president went inside a polling station in Boston, according to multiple reports. Hillary Clinton, a former secretary of state and senator, won by about 17,000 votes, according to NBC News. 

Bill Clinton talked with poll workers and took a photo with a woman at the Holy Name Parish School's gymnasium in West Roxbury, The Boston Globe reported, citing press pool reports. The petition, posted on Change.org, charges that Bill Clinton made a "clear, knowing and egregious violation of the campaign laws to swing an election in a significant way."

Now poll workers were warned in advance of President Clinton's visit, and election officials say he did nothing wrong, and yet 45,000 petition signers want him arrested and thrown in jail.

Do they REALLY think that his appearance at polling places stole Massachusetts from Bernie?

I am beginning to think that a whole lot of these so-called "Bernie Bros" are in fact conservatives masquerading as supporters in order to level misogynistic, and hate filled, attacks from what would be to them enemy lines.

At least I hope that's the case.

Because if not, then Bernie's support seems essentially to be made up of thin skinned crybabies who could never be counted on to show up at the polls in November in the first place.

194 comments:

  1. Boscoe11:35 AM

    They should rename it: "Bernie or Trump". - Kudos for using "petulant" :)

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    1. Anonymous11:57 AM

      This is ROVIAN talk! Anyone who is stupid to believe it, is STUPID!
      And consider voting for Trump, gimme a flippin break! TROLL TALK!

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    2. Anonymous12:38 PM

      Look at the demographics. I taught these kids, they're spoiled brats whose parents were unable to put their foot down when needed.

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  2. Anonymous11:35 AM

    Agree with you completely, Gryph. They were not all Democrats and if 100,000 write his name in, so be it.

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  3. Anonymous11:36 AM

    I'm a die-hard Bernie fan, love him! However, I will not be so stupid as to not vote for Hillary and allow some jackass, rat-bastard repub ruin this country.

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    1. Anonymous11:50 AM

      Thank you, @11:36!

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    2. Anonymous12:00 PM

      I'm a Bernie supporter too and agree with you that I will vote for Hillary if he doesn't get the nomination. I want Bernie for one issue and that's getting money out of politics! Nothing is going to change until we do this. Also, I'm getting very worried that Hillary could lose to Trump. She has baggage where Bernie does not. What would Trump use against him?

      According to these polls Bernie does better up against Trump.

      Trump vs. Bernie
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

      Hillary vs Trump
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

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    3. Anonymous12:13 PM

      Bernie has baggage. Everyone does.

      Perhaps his biggest baggage is that he's a self-described socialist who wants to raise taxes. That's not a problem for me, but it will be for Republicans and many independents.

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    4. Anon @ 12:13 - I'm going to preface this by saying I don't support Bernie Sanders.

      Your information is not correct on any count, and you shouldn't spread lies. Why be so lazy as to allow a competing candidate tell you what someone else stands for? Why not listen to them and investigate them for yourself? People who vote because of something they heard in negative rhetoric or a negative campaign ads are dangerous numbskulls.

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    5. Anonymous12:40 PM

      @12:13 PM, Bernie can fight back against that and say Trump will have to raise taxes for his wall, deporting 12 million Mexicans, and military spending, for one example. IMO Independents will more likely go for Bernie than Hillary.

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    6. Anonymous2:01 PM

      Anonymous11:36 AM

      I'm a die-hard Bernie fan, love him! However, I will not be so stupid as to not vote for Hillary and allow some jackass, rat-bastard repub ruin this country.
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      THANK YOU! RAT BASTARD REPUB!!!
      YES! And its the rat bastards telling you note to vote for Hillary. Don't fall for Rovian Tactics people!
      You want Pres. Chump? Its not funny! It never was and worse today than ever. Be smart people!

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    7. Anonymous2:17 PM

      I'm a 67 yo Bernie fan in Texas. But I'll vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. I just feel Bernie honed in on some big issues long ago, they've remained the same, he's trying desperately to get his message across---and he wouldn't have to if things had really changed. He really wants to go forward.


      Those of us who lived through the 60's thought things were better until 2008 and the arrival of the Palin inspired hatred, leading to the Tea Party and a reversal of much we had thought changed.

      I'll vote for Hillary after I've had my morning coffee in my "Feel The Bern" and remain appreciative of his inspiring run.

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    8. Anonymous2:21 PM

      I don't understand your reaction, ibwilliamsi. Exactly what did I say that was a lie?

      I have investigated him. He is a self-described democratic socialist. He wants to raise taxes on wealthier Americans.

      Here's a recent article where he's talked about both:
      http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/07/08/qa-with-bernie-sanders-what-he-means-by-socialism/

      I like socialism and I agree we should raise taxes for certain segments of the population.

      Republicans will say he's a socialist who wants to raise taxes and the idiots will foam at the mouth.

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    9. Anonymous2:44 PM

      Bernie has already stated he will raise taxes on the middle class in order to pay for free college.

      Did you really believe it was free?

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    10. Anonymous4:21 PM

      Adamant Bernie supporter here. I will vote for Bernie, but if Hillary gets the nomination, I will have to hold my nose and vote for her. I will NOT vote for any GOPer, especially not tRump or Cruz OR Romio. I also will not vote for any other potential candidate ($ara anyone?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) or other party.

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    11. Anonymous4:45 PM

      Been a Bernie fan for years but will never vote for a republican if he's not the nominee.

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    12. Anonymous7:08 PM

      2:44 Help me out here. I thought Bernie Sanders said he would pay for free college by taxing Wall Street speculation. The middle class tax, as far as I recall, is about health care. He will expand Medicare which will raise taxes on the middle class but if you compare the tax percentage to what you are now paying out of your income for healthcare it is a better savings. Democrats are just as interested in money savings but we, instead, are caring to those who have less opportunities than others and we believe that working together will make America a better place for everyone. So where do you stand? Do you care about your fellow Americans or just yourself? Because the paradigm that is in place now is about as stable as a Jenga tower.

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  4. Anonymous11:38 AM

    They went after Elizabeth Warren who dared to stay neutral and not endorse Sanders before the Massachusetts primary. They are probably still throwing tantrums on her FB page.

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  5. Anonymous11:40 AM

    Blackmail.

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  6. Anonymous11:42 AM

    Bill Clinton is a private citizen can can do what he wants and go where he wants. But I guess the Bernie Bros have more in common with Trump's supporters than I originally thought.
    The outcome of this election will personally have very little affect on me. I can leave the country easily since I have dual citizenship, we have enough money for my husband to easily get into Canada with me and he does not need to work at this point in his life.
    My children that are not already in Canada have the job skills and education to make the transition quite easily and their spouses are skilled and educated and will be given visas. But the majority of people may end up being surprised that it's not a cakewalk to immigrate into Canada.
    But it's the young people that are throwing away everything we worked so hard for because they are having temper tantrums that pisses me off.

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    1. Anonymous12:16 PM

      Are you kidding me? Bill Clinton is no private citizen what so ever! What he did was a political stunt for HRC.

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    2. Anonymous12:32 PM

      Unless you create a special rule for spouses who are also ex-Presidents, he had the right to be there and to do what he did.

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    3. Anon @ 12:16 - do you have a copy of Bill Clinton's employment contract?

      You can be pissed if you want, and I won't argue that. You can say it was a political stunt, and I can't really argue that either. "He's not a private citizen"? Prove it.

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    4. Anonymous1:19 PM

      Bill and Hillary Clinton are good people and have given their lives to politics and serving Americans.

      The Republicans are intent on smearing them both hoping that Americans won't vote for Hillary.

      Don't think it is going to work - I will vote for Hillary as will many of the friends w/whom I associate.

      The media is also doing a job on her that shouldn't be believed for one minute! They are bringing things up AGAIN that have no substance and have been proven to be nothing but lies!

      Sick, sick, sick group of Republicans! But, should we be the least bit surprised as we watch many of them support the likes of The Donald! Damn, but their party is in one huge mess!

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  7. Anonymous11:42 AM

    I believe the operative phrases here are (1) cutting off your nose to spite your face and (2) whiny-ass titty babies. I am not thrilled by Hillary, but if she gets the nomination (and wins the election), she will be infinitely better than anything on offer from the R's.

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  8. Anonymous11:43 AM

    A lot of them are young new voters who have been sucked in to the "revolution" without realizing how the government or elections (or real world) work.

    It's a sense of entitlement and an "I'll take my ball and go home" lack of compromise.

    (they aren't all young; there are plenty of older people acting the same way...there are also lots of Sanders supporters who aren't throwing tantrums like this).

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  9. Anonymous11:44 AM

    The Bernie Bros seem to have a multitude of excuses for Bernie's losses in every losing state. They never can just admit that more people are voting/caucusing for Hillary.

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    1. Anonymous1:13 PM

      I've become disheartened with Bernie Sanders. Don't think he's as kind as he originally projected himself to be.

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    2. Anonymous2:12 PM

      I've been concerned about some of the things he's said and how he's said them.

      I don't like how unblinkingly enamored of him so many of his supporters are. They don't see any of his negatives.

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    3. Anonymous2:58 PM

      Totally agree! Ive said this so many but am going to repeat it again. If you have watched MSNBC over the past 8 years then you know Bernie has been on the Chris Hayes & Rachel Maddow numerous times with the same message...NUMEROUS! I was only middly amused but never felt he was anything more then what he described himself as. A Socialist...not a Democratic Socialist the he know describes himself as. He's had over 26 years in politics to do something about his passion and yet he hasn't been able to do it. One bill passed does not make hime a leader of a revolution.

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    4. Anonymous7:21 PM

      Isn't interesting though, that the people who like Trump will take Bernie over Hillary? It's because Bernie has proven to be an antidisestablishment candidate. That is what "We the People" are after. It IS time for a revolution here in this country. So who do you want Trump or Sanders?

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    5. Anonymous8:11 PM

      I doubt you meant to write antidisestablishment.

      Are you speaking for "we the people?" We are ALL "we the people," including those who vote for Clinton.

      If you want to align yourself with the racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and sheer stupidity of Trump supporters, be my guest. I doubt the majority of Sanders supporters agree with you.

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  10. Anonymous11:47 AM

    It's conservative republicans trying to undermine Hillary. They can't win with a good candidate of their own so they are lying, cheating, and stealing their way into the oval office by pretending to be Sanders supporters.

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      Anonymous11:47 AM

      It's conservative republicans trying to undermine Hillary.
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      Exactly! And they are the ones pushing Bernie or nothing. Remember if it sounds like a teabagger it is!!

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  11. Anonymous11:48 AM

    Karl Rove is behind the berniebros crap. He is trying to discredit Hillary without getting his pudgy little fingers dirty.

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  12. Anonymous11:48 AM

    "Of course in my opinion these are the actions of petulant children who do not see the big picture, and are simply going to take their ball, or in this case vote, and go cry in their room because they are not getting their way."

    I'm not saying I agree with doing this, but isn't this the exact same thing that MANY Hillary supporters were threatening to do 8 years ago, and if so, were these "the actions of petulant children who do not see the big picture, and are simply going to take their ball, or in this case vote, and go cry in their room because they are not getting their way?"

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    1. Anonymous12:00 PM

      There was a small group of "PUMAs" who left the party and good riddance to them. Yes, they did act like petulant children who did not see the big picture, etc. etc..

      There is a group of these kinds of people every single election.

      This seems like a much larger group to me.

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    2. Anonymous12:18 PM

      @ Anonymous12:00 PM...It looks like you're trying to differentiate, because in your words, one was "a small group," and the other one "seems like a much larger group to me." The honest answer would have just been "yes."

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    3. Anonymous12:31 PM

      The question was, were they acting like petulant idiots and I did say "yes," right in the middle of my comment.

      In fact, I remember discussing them right here on this very blog at the time. Gryphen had some very unkind words about the PUMAs.

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  13. Anonymous11:48 AM

    The Wasilla Idiot has vomited forth her spewage about Romney dissing DrumpF

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/sarah-palin-taunts-silly-man-mitt-romney-and-says-gop-rebukes-only-make-trump-stronger/

    What a pile of bile, puke, pus, and shite she is

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    1. Anonymous1:10 PM

      I knew she'd holler about Romney coming out against The Donald!

      Do you folks recall when Romney stopped her attendance at a function when he was running for POTUS? Think it occurred in Florida, if I remember correctly.

      She's such a whiner and never fails in pulling 'the victim' crap!

      She has almost zero relevance anymore! Something she seems to ignore or forget.

      Think she needs to go for a walk in Wasilla and breath in the fresh air - it will clear her brain which is so obviously needed.

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    2. Anonymous1:13 PM

      http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/03/picking-sarah-palin-credibility-john-mccain-jumps-shark-trump-attack.html

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  14. A Superfan In Atlanta11:51 AM

    I wouldn't call them crybabies at all Uncle Gryphen. If you look at it from their perspective, the Clintons are part of the long line of people who benefited from their political careers while the rest of the world became more violent, hate-filled and poor. Then comes Bernie -- someone who has successfully challenged the "inevitable nominee/establishment" -- understanding the definition of insanity and doing something different . . . so they vote for him because they can.

    Again, Clinton's got to change who she is because she has failed to appear genuine to a younger and new voting block that is fed up with politicians that say one thing and then do the opposite.

    Best of luck to her if she becomes the nominee. I'm curious, however, to see if she crumbles again the same way she did in 2008.

    Just sayin'

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    1. She did not crumble in 2008.

      In fact she got better towards the end.

      She was just up against an incredibly charismatic politician with ardent followers who wanted to be part of history.

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    2. Anonymous12:15 PM

      Dude you are so full shit... ask yourselves how a rookie senator from Illinois beat the pants off this skank

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    3. Anonymous12:15 PM

      Hillary didn't "crumble." She lost.

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    4. Anonymous12:25 PM

      Full disclosure: not a Clinton supporter. However, Hillary Clinton isn't the problem. The corrupt Democratic Party, and the corruption, by big money, of our politics, give us corrupt politics. And the winner is the monied interests - not you and me.

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    5. Anonymous12:27 PM

      Still calling women skanks, Elijiah? Bernie would be so proud.

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    6. Anonymous12:28 PM

      That bitch crumbled like a withered Joshua tree...

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    7. Anonymous12:35 PM

      Only Hillary is a skank..

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    8. Anonymous12:36 PM

      I love that you're proving the point that some Sanders supporters act like petulant children.

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    9. Anonymous12:50 PM

      And all Hillary supporters are just fucking dumb or very naive

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      Anonymous12:15 PM

      Using gendered insults. That tells me all I need to know about you.

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    11. Anonymous1:33 PM

      Looks like the sexist revolting BernieBros have invaded this thread.

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    12. AKRNHSNC3:03 PM

      Crumbled? Hillary and Barack came both had 17 MILLION + votes. If you consider that crumbling, you're delusional. Hillary supporters are far from naive, they are just able to cut through all the b.s. that has been spewed towards her for 25 years. She's still standing strong despite decades of attacks. She could have easily retired after leaving her position as Secretary of State but ever since she graduated from law school, she has worked to get things done for those in need. She didn't make a substantial amount of money and neither did her husband until they left the White House. That doesn't mean that she has forgotten what it feels like to be treated poorly, in fact she still goes through it every day. You only have to read the papers to see what crap is thrown at her so viciously. I doubt many of those who post here could withstand all that has been thrown at her. Real Democratic party members will vote blue in November, the rest are just spouting nonsense and have been all along. Good riddance to that trash!

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    13. Anonymous3:34 PM

      Gee, there's a new, young block getting ready to vote. All fall to your knees and worship the Millenials, the bestest and wonderfullest and just the neato-keenest generation EVAH!

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  15. Anonymous11:51 AM

    How long have I been saying that Bernie Sanders inherited Ron Paul's libertarian brigade? They are responsible for his huge crowds, they are responsible for his online Clinton supporter harassment problem, they are responsible for the most egregious lies about Hillary Clinton (and Elizabeth Warren) and they would never have voted for Hillary Clinton anyway.

    Plus ça change...

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    1. Anonymous12:22 PM

      Yes!

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    2. Anonymous1:34 PM

      Agree!!

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    3. Anonymous2:57 PM

      Totally agree Anon 11:51! Or paid Kocksucker trolls also too.

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  16. A Superfan In Atlanta11:53 AM

    Oh, and I do believe, at the end of the day, they will eventually vote for Clinton should she get the nomination. I know I will.

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    1. Anonymous11:58 AM

      You have more faith in them than I do.

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  17. It's Nixonian ratfucking and yes, it's Republicans. (Or idiots. But really, what's the difference these days?)

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    1. Anonymous2:09 PM

      superfluous adjective, Liz.

      According to top political rodentologists, all ratfucking is nixonian.

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  18. What a bunch of babies.

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  19. I hope Bernie addresses this issue. I can't imagine if he does not get the nomination, that he wants Trump as his POTUS.
    How stupid and childish would you have to be to vote for Trump instead of Hilary?

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    1. Anonymous12:05 PM

      I hope so, too. But if he does, he can expect a backlash from his supporters.

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  20. Anita Winecooler12:00 PM

    Petulant is the perfect word, kind of mind boggling if you think about it. Each and everyone who throws away their vote for a "Revolution" and "Peter, Paul and Mary" songs will be the first to complain and whine if someone other than Hillary wins, and they only have themselves to blame.
    After working with youth during both Obama's elections, It's kind of sad to see this "My way or the highway" mindset.

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  21. Anonymous12:00 PM

    The "can't vote for Bernie, so I'll vote Republican" crowd won't be happy with the meaning of cognitive dissonance.

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    1. Anonymous12:57 PM

      Anyone who says that if they can't vote for Bernie they'll vote Republican was never going to vote for Bernie anyway. They ARE Republicans in sheep's clothing.

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  22. My daughter is also a Bernie supporter. She has said she is voting in the general for the Democrat, no matter who it is.

    The cranks always yell the loudest. I am not going to wring my hands about Trump trouncing Hilary.. In the end most women, who's reproductivery rights are under attack, minorities that are under attack, and sensible people, will not vote for Trump

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  23. Anonymous12:02 PM

    People were held up for hours, with this stunt at 4 different polling places. It's not worth getting my blood pressure up. If you think it's okay for a former president to do this it says a lot about you. anyone who thinks all this cheating is okay ------ OKAY

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    1. Anonymous12:16 PM

      I've read that on a few sites (Daily Kos mainly), but haven't seen any proof that it actually happened.

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    2. Anonymous12:24 PM

      There's video of him doing this...

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    3. Anonymous12:33 PM

      The videos that I have seen are ambiguous.

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    4. Anonymous12:49 PM

      Like
      your brain

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    5. Anonymous1:55 PM

      Who are you talking about, Anon at 12:02 pm?
      Beaglemom

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    6. Anonymous2:10 PM

      You literally argue like a 10-year old (but with a lot more sexism).

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    7. Anonymous5:01 PM

      Beaglemom, there's a story over at dailykos that former President Bill Clinton showed up at a polling place in Massachusetts and mingled with the crowd. There's a petition over there signed by 45,000 people wanting Bill Clinton arrested and charged for electioneering in a polling place. I believe that was what 12:02 was talking about. I could be wrong.

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    8. Anonymous7:35 PM

      Dear Bill, You are not in Arkansas. You can't show up at a precinct in Massachusetts and interrupt their voting schedule "just because" you want to promote voting for your spouse. You used to be somebody important but it's not about you anymore.

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    9. Imagine if it was GW Bush at a caucus or polling place when Jeb! was still running?

      The Clintons need to be like Caesar's wife: above reproach without even the appearance of impropriety.

      As for me, when June comes around I'll write in Bernie's name if I have to.

      But I hope I won't have to hold my nose in November if Hillary picks Castro as a running mate.

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  24. Olivia12:02 PM

    There are just as many, if not more who won't vote at all if Trump doesn't get the nomination. I also know several long time Republicans who will not vote for Trump. I am waiting to see if they refuse to vote at all or cross the party line.

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    1. Anonymous3:17 PM

      Just went to a salon today in a tony area that I don't live in. Someone there told me that MANY GOP clients had privately confided that they would never ever vote for Trump, should he become the official nominee.

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  25. Anonymous12:06 PM

    What a bunch of stupid fucks! People voting for nadirs how we got George W stupid stupid stupid!

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    1. Anonymous12:26 PM

      Nader, and yes they are.

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    2. Anonymous12:49 PM

      Exfuckingzactly.

      Can you imagine a world where Gore was president for two terms, instead of Cheney the butcher and Bush Jr the puppet?

      Thanks for fucking the world, Nader.

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    3. Anonymous12:49 PM

      Oops! So pissed I did not review post...😡

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    4. Anonymous2:17 PM

      "People voting for nadirs"

      Nadir is a perfect word for Nader.

      Had his ego permitted him to do the decent thing the week before Election Day 2000 and endorse Gore for the sake of the nation, hundreds of thousands of deaths and grievous injuries could have been prevented, trillions saved and the long of irrevocable damage done by W could have been avoided. Only a profoundly selfish and evil man could have acted as he did.

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    5. Anonymous2:25 PM

      Agreed, 2:17
      He kept saying there was no difference between Gore and Bush.
      He was wrong.

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    6. Anonymous5:22 PM

      Although I believe Nader did screw up the 2000 election the election for the Democratic party was not lost by him being in the race. (It didn't help.) The election was called before all votes were counted in Florida and the Supreme Court chose the President that year. Thanks to Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris the Secretary of State. It was later shown that Gore had won the popular vote and had the voting been allowed to continue he would have been President. Gore didn't fight and neither did John Kerry in 2004. Repubes fight dirty. Hate the "Clinton Machine" if you want but I believe that Hillary will fight for every vote in this election.
      Also, did anyone else watch the Rachel Maddow interview with Ben Ginsberg the Republican attorney in the Bush v Gore decision? She got in a little dig in at him after the interview was over. She said it with a smile, too.

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  26. Anonymous12:13 PM

    Man you truly are a fucking idiot.... get ready for president trump if Hillary steals the democratic Nom and you don't know the difference between integrity and a bullshitting murderous POS the Clinton's are... you are being dishonest with your readers.. might as well call your blog I shill for hill.. good day sir

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    1. Anonymous12:25 PM

      Will you stick the flounce this time? We can only hope.

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    2. Anonymous12:32 PM

      Read about the Clinton's she has

      left a trail of dead bodies from whitewater to Honduras... educated yourselves.. she is no democrat

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    3. Anonymous2:23 PM

      "steals" the democratic nomination? You think your vote/opinion is the only legitimate one? @$$hole.

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    4. Anonymous2:25 PM

      12:32

      You realize that when you type the phrase "educated yourself" and introduce pointless empty lines in your commenr you turn what you intended to be an angry retort into a comical evidence of your own lack of mental horsepower, don't you? When we're done chuckling at you, perhaps you'd consider signing up for an EFL (English as a First Language) class or perhaps a GED course.

      Maybe the next time you comment here you could try for something intelligent for a change.

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    5. Anonymous2:26 PM

      You are a BernieBro, a Paulite or a republican, but mostly you are a liar who puts out this kind of crap without any proof - simply because you don't like the woman candidate.

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    6. Anonymous3:46 PM

      Note the illiterate spelling and complete lack of knowledge of second-grade-level sentence structure and punctuation. Why should we listen to a word you write when you're so incompetent?

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    7. Anonymous5:27 PM

      That was a drive by brought to us by a Bernie Bros. Pay no attention.

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  27. Anonymous12:21 PM

    My mom is a senior citizen and has been a huge Sanders supporters for years. She's also a longtime member of the Green party.

    I don't know what she will do if/when Sanders doesn't get the nomination but I wouldn't be surprised if she votes Green. I wouldn't agree with her, but at least she is consistent, has a history of voting Green, and isn't just doing it out of spite because her pet candidate didn't get the nomination.

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    1. Anonymous1:54 PM

      Well, if your mom votes "Green" in November she'll be doing the equivalent of voting for the GOP candidate. And we all know that no one in the GOP cares about the environment or the people who live in it. How to waste a vote in these complicated times!
      Beaglemom

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    2. Anonymous2:28 PM

      I agree, and maybe she'll change her mind. I just can't bring myself to argue with my uber-progressive parents that they're going too hard left.

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    3. Anonymous4:46 PM

      Beaglemom voting for Clinton is voting against fracking, deforestation, drilling in the arctic and stealing more land from indigenous people all over the world

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    4. Anonymous5:35 PM

      Your mother votes her conscience but she probably picks up a social security check thanks to the people who have elected the Democratic candidate for 16 out of the last 24 years. Republicans want to gut everything good for the "little guy".

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  28. Anonymous12:28 PM

    I really like Bernie,but of course I will vote for the nominee. I would never vote Republican as they are now.

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      Thank you.

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  29. Enjay in MT12:35 PM

    Although I'm a Bernie supporter, I will hold my nose and vote Hillary if she is the candidate. There is more at stake then just the presidency. Supreme Court picks !!! We need Dems across the board to move forward. Not back to the dark ages.

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      Thank you.

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  30. Anonymous12:35 PM

    Painting all of Bernie's supporters with the same brush is like saying that any woman who doesn't support Hillary will rot in Hell. There are goofballs on both sides. Come on.

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    1. Anonymous12:56 PM

      It's not all of Bernie supporters, only the ones throwing tantrums.

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    2. Anonymous1:06 PM

      Exactly!

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    3. Anonymous2:28 PM

      It's Bernie supporters who say we are painting them all witht he same brush. We are not. And I would say to Bernie supporters that tehy should be the ones disavowing the kind of insulting and personal attacks being leveled at Hilary.

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  31. Anonymous12:39 PM

    Got no love for politicians
    Or that crazy scene in D.C
    It's just a power mad town
    But the time is ripe for changes
    There's a growing feeling
    That taking a chance
    On a new kind of vision is due
    I used to trust the media
    To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
    But now I've seen the payoffs
    Everywhere I look
    Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?


    Queensryche
    This is from 1989 but it's the truth

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    1. Anonymous2:09 PM

      Queensryche...what visionaries. Nobody ever wrote songs against the establishment before them.

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    2. Anonymous3:24 PM

      Operation Mindcrime you FUCK

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    3. Anonymous3:24 PM

      Have some respect

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    4. Anonymous4:14 PM

      Hell hath no fury like a dude whose favorite band has been insulted or under appreciated.

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  32. Anonymous12:41 PM

    I hate to say this but I liked him because he is a vermonter like my mom ie crazy. But I could not bear a summer of trump and palin anti-Semitism.

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  33. Anonymous12:42 PM

    What makes you so sure she will appoint liberal justices..... she more likely to nominate a conservative one to keep citizens United from being overturn... that's the only reason she has money for this campaign...

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    1. Anonymous1:48 PM

      WTF? READ THIS FOR THE TRUTH> GO HRC!
      http://reclaimdemocracy.org/who-are-citizens-united/

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    2. Anonymous2:07 PM

      She [sic] not more likely to nominate a conservative one. I've heard this bullshit before and it's ridiculous.

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    3. Anonymous2:30 PM

      You know, it's one thing to not like the candidate. That's your choice. But don't spread lies and don't vote based on lies.

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    4. Anonymous2:47 PM

      Sheep

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    5. Anonymous3:19 PM

      @2:47 - Sheepish.

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  34. Anonymous12:56 PM

    Fucking idiots! Hillary Clinton has my vote!

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  35. Anonymous12:58 PM

    Bill Clinton was no democrat...

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  36. Anonymous12:59 PM

    Bill Clinton was a democrat in name only just like his wife

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    1. Anonymous3:20 PM

      You are no Democrst, sir!

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  37. Anonymous1:02 PM

    Do a quick history check on Google and you'll be reminded that the 2008 Hillary supporters did the exact same thing and MANY of them threatened to or voted for McCain. This isn't unique to Bernie supporters.

    And let me add, that big money owns both the Democratic and Republican parties. And this has got to change!

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    1. Anonymous2:32 PM

      If you think Bernie is going to do it without a Den=mocratic house and senate for both his terms, you are very naive. People like you sat out both midterms because Obama was not as "left" as they deluded themselves into thinking.

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    2. Anonymous3:37 PM

      Go take your meds. 1:02 PM never said anything about sitting out mid-terms.

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  38. Anonymous1:05 PM

    Trump proposes a national registry for all Muslims. Americans are such slow learners.

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  39. Anonymous1:23 PM

    Well, the same thing happened in 2000 and 2004 with the Ralph Nader-ites. Waste a vote and help the GOP.
    Beaglemom

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    1. Anonymous2:05 PM

      "How bad can it be?"
      - Nader voters about GW Bush.

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    2. Anonymous2:32 PM

      Seriously, how did the 8 years of Bush affect you? Any of you, all of you? There was very little change for most people during the Bush years. There will be very little impact during the Trump years.

      I can't think of one thing that changed in my life under Bush2. Any day I could have woken up and not known if it was Clinton, Bush or Obama, during the last 24 years.

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    3. Anonymous3:24 PM

      2:32 - you cannot be a Democrat, as you would know how many hundreds of thousands of Americans, Iraqis, and others DIED due to 8 years of Bush. If that had no "effect on your life," clearly you know no one who served or is from Iraq. Many of us have lost loved ones. Others have returned unable to walk, or talk...are you in a narcissistic coma?

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    4. Anonymous3:50 PM

      2:32 pm: how did 8 years of Bush affect me? Well, I lost an Army nephew to an illegal war in Iraq, I lost my retirement money when the stock market crashed, good people around me lost their homes when the economy crashed. Are you completely and utterly stupid, to ask such a stupid question?

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    5. Anonymous3:56 PM

      Anon at 2:32 pm. Where were you from 2001 to January 2009? On another planet? GWB disgraced this country by 1) encouraging torture, 2) starting a war with a country that had not done anything to harm the US, 3) allowing 9/11 to happen because he was too lazy to pay attention to security reports, 4) doing absolutely nothing as the housing sector (which was for that period of time the only business sector in the country that ever did well) to collapse, 5) doing absolutely nothing as the economy began to implode, and on and on. That happened because of the elections in 2000 and 2004.
      Beaglemom

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    6. Anonymous4:52 PM

      Anon 2:32. Guess you didn't live in New Orleans during Katrina, either.

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    7. Anonymous5:45 PM

      In 2008 my retirement fund lost 30%. Yea, it's just money that just went *poof* but it's money that I'll never get back. Bush was a lousy President and I don't care to see how bad it can get under a thin-skinned narcissist with an ego the size of Rhode Island like Drumpf.

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  40. This reminds me of the Pat Paulson run for president and how people would write in his name.....for years. http://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/26/us/pat-paulsen-69-a-parodist-of-presidential-doubletalk.html

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  41. Anonymous1:26 PM

    Oh, the PUMAs are back...the Sanders edition.

    Democrats need to, no, must rally around the nominee be it Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Sanders. A Drumpf Administration is just not an option!

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  42. Anonymous1:26 PM

    An interesting article explaining their position:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/the-problem-with-hillary-clinton_b_9349590.html

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  43. Anonymous1:26 PM

    I was not going to vote for Hillary in 2008 if she was the nominee. All of a sudden we had this "breath of fresh air candidate" Barack Obama who I got behind and was so happy to vote for in 2008 and 2012.

    For some of us Hillary was never in the cards and we were hoping for an alternative to her in 2008. Just because she's running again doesn't mean that we feel any differently about her than we did in 2008; Sanders is a refreshing alternative, just as Barack Obama was.

    No reason to expect us, those of us that don't support Hillary and her platforms, to suddenly lend her our support when we have not previously supported her.

    I don't believe in that "holding your nose to vote for someone that you don't believe in" premise. Either a candidate resonates and wins your support or he/she doesn't.

    I have convictions, and they are firm, and they don't waiver just because a person has a "D" after their name or the "party faithful" instructs me to act against everything I believe in to vote for someone simply because they are the "lesser of two evils".

    Sometimes we get the candidate we want to vote for and sometimes we don't. Not being part of an actual party affords many of us the ability to vote for the candidate, and NOT the party, and sometimes, it's better to just stay out of it if you don't agree with the majority candidate in EITHER party.

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    1. Anonymous1:52 PM

      Well, then, you must want the GOP to take the White House. Just think of what that will mean with regard to every major issue facing this country and the world. Stay home and don't vote and you will be giving the US another 4 years of GOP failed leadership.

      I have convictions too and I am a lifelong Democrat (big "D"), daughter of Democrats, and I am proud of it. In 2008 Barack Obama was my candidate but it did not mean that I had no respect for Hillary Clinton or her accomplishments. President Obama cannot run for a third term but I am determined that all that he has done despite the GOP systemic opposition must be preserved and built upon. Sitting the Nov. election out will not keep this country moving forward. I will support whomever the Democratic Party nominates for president and vice president.
      Beaglemom

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    2. Anonymous2:03 PM

      You will never find your perfect candidate. If you think your candidate is perfect, he or she will always disappoint you. I'm sorry to say, but maybe an election at this level is about the big picture and not the time to ultimately dig in your heels. Look at all the dems who sat home in 2012 because they weren't entirely happy with their candidate/representative. That happened in Colorado and now we have Corey Gardner.

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    3. Anonymous2:34 PM

      Did you feel the same way and not vote for Kerry or Gore? If so you can accept some of the blame for GWB.

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    4. Anonymous5:49 PM

      Maybe you can vote for Michael Bloomberg or Mittens Romney.

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  44. I think that there are some signers of this petition who are true die-hard Berners. And I think the rest are agitators.

    Any true progressive who likes Bernie for his populist ideas does NOT want to see Donald Trump as President, no matter how pissed they might be that their candidate didn't win the nomination.

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    1. Anonymous1:39 PM

      A Trump presidency would absolutely neuter the GOP for the next 2 decades. Isn't that worth it?

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    2. Anonymous1:59 PM

      No, it's not worth it. Access to abortion has already been hammered, there is one and maybe more SCOTUS seats up for grabs, and Donald Trump is an unhinged lunatic who threatens to alienate our allies across the world.

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    3. Anon @ 1:39. Would it? I'm so old I remember people saying that once people saw how awful Nixon/Reagan/Bush the Lesser was for the country, the party would be finis. You can see how well that thinking works out. No, it's much better not to let the crazy incompetents anywhere near the levers of power in the first place. ESPECIALLY Donald KKK Trump.

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    4. Anonymous2:30 PM

      1:59pm

      We need to focus on birth control instead of abortion. This will open that door, let's keep women and girls from getting pregnant instead of having unwanted babies and unnecessary surgery to rid them of fetuses.

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    5. Anonymous2:36 PM

      Anonymous1:39 PM

      If you think a neutered GOP and and a helpless Democtic party is a good thing with a personality like Trump is a good thing, you. are. an. idiot.

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    6. Anonymous4:05 PM

      Who said we aren't focusing on birth control and education?

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    7. Anonymous4:53 PM

      Not instead. In addition to.

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    8. Anonymous5:53 PM

      Nuclear codes and SCOTUS should be enough for anyone to vote for the D nominee.

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  45. Anonymous1:32 PM

    I've heard this from both Bernie and Hillary supporters, and they are all willing to let this country burn under a Republican if they keep this garbage up.

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    1. Anonymous2:28 PM

      The country is not "going to burn", we'll be fine, but the GOP will be dead, dead, dead, dead, finally buried and to me it's worth it that Trump get 4 years to bury the knife in their chest and shoot them full of lead.

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    2. Anonymous2:36 PM

      Is it worth one and maybe two conservative judges on the Supreme Court?

      I'd rather have a democrat in the White House, thank you very much.

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  46. Anonymous1:32 PM

    Hillary and Bill will play dirty pool in the rest of the 35 states, if this BS doesn't stop. Good call in the TYT video blog for reporting this clear violation of the law! Its nice to Hillary copy Bernie's campaign talking points. She is very cunning and can fake with the best of them. Its time for Bernie to lead. Hillary is an old corporate tool. Old school politics or, a more inclusive smarter government, and country!

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      Bernie is older than Hillary, by a lot!

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    2. Anonymous2:37 PM

      There go the old double standards

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  47. Perhaps you should teach your daughter about stereotyping people. There's always a group of people that does or says something that others can latch onto to support a viewpoint.

    I support Bernie but I've resigned myself to voting for Clinton if I have to. Just remember the more claims like your daughter made causes blowback on Clinton. Slam the Sanders supporters and you're causing those supporters to despise Clinton even more. Perhaps even to the point where people who would have voted Clinton will indeed stay home.

    I know Presidential elections are hugfests. But doing and saying things that will create hatred towards your candidate isn't smart.

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      Does Bernie Bros ring a bell?

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    2. Anonymous1:53 AM

      hey 5:56 google that term and see what actually comes up. Follow the info, and you can judge for yourself.

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  48. Anonymous1:43 PM

    That's pretty stupid that they would rather have one of the republican candidates over Clinton. That makes no sense.

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    1. Anonymous1:53 PM

      It does if they are actually GOPpers....

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    2. Anonymous2:05 PM

      A vote for Clinton is a vote for a republican so what's the difference

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    3. Anonymous2:31 PM

      What the hell is a gopper?

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    4. Anonymous3:26 PM

      2:31 someone in the GOP = GOPper. Duh.

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    5. Anonymous5:56 PM

      2:31, how old are you?

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  49. Anonymous1:53 PM

    I prefer to vote Sanders (citizens united, poverty the environment, equal and fair pay social security and much more).
    But Bernie will ask his supporters to vote Clinton if it comes down to it.
    United we stand, Divide we fall.

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  50. Anonymous2:00 PM

    OT-https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/03/mitt-romney-trump-is-a-phony-a-fraud-who-is-playing-the-american-public-for-suckers/

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    1. Anonymous2:11 PM

      House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), Romney’s 2012 running mate, declined to back Romney’s remarks, telling Fox News, "I'm gonna keep my powder dry"

      Always about guns...or should i say 'little DICKs'?

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  51. Anonymous2:23 PM

    Yeah, I've heard this one. Two words. Nader > Bush. If any GOP is elected, it is squarely on these idiots. And some of us will NEVER let them forget. .

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  52. AKRNHSNC2:30 PM

    REAL Bernie Sanders supporters would do well to remember that he has repeatedly said that if he were not the nominee that a vote for Hillary Clinton is ALWAYS better than a vote that counts against her or would lead to a President Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc. He also said Clinton is at least 1000X better than any Republican President. Write-in votes are NOT counted IIRC for the Presidential election. Not voting or voting for the Green Party or any other that doesn't stand a chance is throwing your vote away and lending support towards Trump or any other loser put forth by the RNC. I agree with you, Gryphen, that many of these alleged BernieBros are really RWNJ's in disguise. I belong to a Democratic forum and there was a sudden uptick in the number of Berniebots in November that were trashing Hillary. Prior to that, they would post supportive messages for him but not messages that were derogatory towards Clinton. The jump from the beginning of the month to the end of the month in number and derogatory messages indicated that they were likely RWNJ's because there was no other reason why ALL the NEW Berniebots were so negative. It's the type of dirty trick that Rove is known for! They are banned now if they continue to post nasty messages about Hillary and the same goes for Hillary supporters who post anything nasty about Bernie. We have to come together or we will lose this country to the likes of Trump. Look at who is by his side, Palin, Christie, LePage, white supremacists and other pieces of shit! That's enough to make me vote for Bernie if he's the nominee despite being a Hillary supporter and it should be the same for Bernie fans, too.

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      well said!

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  53. Mitt Romney's 1099-MISC2:36 PM

    I''ll certainly vote for Clinton if our man Bernie can't pull this off.

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      Thank you.

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  54. Anonymous3:12 PM

    This is an absurd and insulting post. Is this your first contested nomination fight?

    Supporters of the defeated candidate always have a big emotional letdown when someone who represents their hopes and dreams is defeated. But in the end, just like the Clinton supporters in 2008, Bernie's supporters will rally behind the candidate who best represents their views and—this is the important part—has a chance to win.

    We're over 8 months away from the general. Hurt feelings will heal. To suggest otherwise is needlessly divisive.

    I support Bernie. I don't like Hillary. She probably won't be the agent of the change this country so desperately needs. But when it comes down to a choice between Hillary and Trump—or anyone the Republicans might possibly nominate—I'm not staying home and pouting on November 8th, and I'm not throwing my vote away on the Green Party (though their politics is much closer to my heart). And no matter what they say this far away from the general, Bernie's supporters will do likewise. To suggest otherwise is ignorant bullshit.

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    1. Anonymous3:57 PM

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Bernie supporter. I can come off the ledge now.

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  55. Anonymous4:15 PM

    Ok. i have not read any of the comments yet.
    That said: I am an avid Bernie supporter, and I will vote for him in the Primaries. HOWEVER! If Hillary gets nominated (booo!!!), then I will vote for her in the general elections. Same with all my friends that I know are Bernie supporters.

    ANYONE BUT A MEMBER OF THE CLOWNCAR!!! NO ONE from the Party of NO will get my vote - or any of my friend's votes!

    VOTE BLUE!!!!!!!

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      I hear ya....unless we're in a swing state this fall, i'll write in deez nutz, but seriously, it's blue for us. We don't want to return to the 1950's.

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  56. Anonymous4:41 PM

    the sandbaggers are a bunch of selfish pricks. and just calm down. over 5 million votes are going to be cast for the dem nominee in the general. those loons will not make a dent. they failed along with bernie to create a revolution and they will fail at thwarting clinton. this literally happens in every election on both sides.

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    1. Anonymous8:57 PM

      Yes, it literally happened to Hillary Clinton in 2008, when literally, a candidate out of nowhere stepped in and kicked her ass. Viva La Revolution!

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  57. Anonymous8:59 PM

    Dude, come on Gryph, you're better than this.

    Sun Myung Moon is dead, has been for years.

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      why use material from that old Moonie's rag?

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  58. Anonymous9:07 PM

    I love Bernie! but if Hillary gets the nomination, hell I'll vote for her. FUCK republicans!

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  59. Sounds like some of the Bernie supporters are like the Hillary supporters in 2008. They whined like bitches then, and even "punished" the Democrats by supporting Palin. Only difference is, Obama proved to be a great President. Trump will not.
    BTW, We are the last State to vote, and probably doesn't matter but, I still haven't decided if I will vote for Hillary, or Bernie.

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  60. Anonymous1:46 AM

    This berniebro phenomenon is a rehash of Obamaboys from 2008. Same writers involved with the same politcal bias, sorry for the excellent memory. Too busy sobbing to be force-fed this bullshit narrative. IBTimes Feb 9 2016

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  61. Anonymous6:26 AM

    Back in the day, I *really* wanted Hillary over Obama. But, when Obama became the nominee, I cheerfully became a "Mama for Obama" (with t-shirt to prove it!). Yes, it took me a little while to get over my disappointment. But voting for McCain/Palin was NEVER a thought in my mind. I suspect most legitimate Bernie supports will be the same. Give them a little time to adjust to the loss, and they'll climb on board. It's simply too important not to keep a (D) in the White House this time.
    -Yellowgirl

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  62. Anonymous3:07 PM

    Yes if there is no acceptable 3rd party candidate, I plan to write in Bernie!! I learned how to do it with Lisa.

    Let's keep organized crime out of the White House.

    Let's end the era of Clinton intimidation and money grubbing.

    Bill's behavior at the voting polls in MA is just another example of how he and Hilliary don't believe laws apply to them.

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