Courtesy of Politico:Sen. Sanders was spot-on in his comments about gun manufacturer liability/PLCAA https://t.co/nDjEerjkgB #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/jEScbMDFt4— NRA (@NRA) March 7, 2016
Bernie Sanders got props for his comments about guns during the debate—but probably not from the group he would like.
The National Rifle Association tweeted Monday praising Sanders’ comments on guns during Sunday night’s Democratic debate.
“Sen. Sanders was spot-on in his comments about gun manufacturer liability/PLCAA,” the NRA tweeted with a graphic of the Vermont senator’s quote that reads: “What you’re really talking about is ending gun manufacturing in America. I don’t agree with that.”
Somebody needs to tell Sanders that if you are running for the nomination to be the Democratic candidate for president in 2016, that the very LAST group you want agreeing with you is the fucking NRA.
Do you know who DOES understand that?
Hillary Clinton and her campaign.
Yep you guessed it, Ian Sams is indeed a Clinton staffer.Let's be clear: Republican super PACs, Karl Rove, the RNC and now the NRA (!) are coming to @BernieSanders' side. https://t.co/7foeviXwfh— Ian Sams (@IanSams) March 7, 2016
This cements my support for Bernie, I'm a liberal who is also an avid hunter and have a gun in my home for protection as well. Bernie 2016!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, liberal have a shotgun for home protection, been an NRA member since childhood, and believe that the onus lies in Governmental regulation of WHO HAS ACCESS TO arms rather than litigation against gun manufacturers.
DeleteWe as a country need to scrutinize the people purchasing the arms, rather than the arms themselves, and until that happens there will be crazy people with deadly weapons that harm others.
If you open the door to regulating things that are harmful to human life then we would end up with no fast food, no processed food, and most of the prescription drug industry would be kaput.
You can be a gun owner and still be against blanket immunity for gun owners and manufacturers. You can be a gun owner and still support the Brady Bill and longer waiting periods.
Deletethe NRA loves Bernie, too!
DeleteWe do regulate prescription drugs. We also regulate fast food and processed food and cars and roller coasters and lots of things that are potentially harmful to human life.
DeleteYet, you think we shouldn't regulate guns, something specifically manufactured as a deadly weapon?
2:52, regulating isn't banning. It's making sure that what you are selling or providing to the public is safe to a certain level. I wish we could regulate more in many areas.
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Bernie lost me with this one. I've followed and supported him even when I had doubts about his clueless old white guy stance on so many issues. But, this was it for me.
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DeleteNewsflash: fast food, processed food, and all of the prescription drug industry IS regulated and doing just fine.
I'm posting this again from the debate post.
ReplyDeleteHillary is being disingenuous on the gun issue.
She is holding a fundraiser on March 21 that will feature as one of its hosts Jeff Forbes, who until the end of last year worked as a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-nra-lobbyist_us_56d5e214e4b03260bf784001
How is she being disingenuous? This is what she said:
Delete“He has voted with the NRA, with the gun lobby, numerous times,” she said. “He voted for immunity for gun makers and sellers … There is no industry in America that was given the total pass the gunmakers and gun dealers were, and that needs to be reversed.”
An ex-lobbyist is raising money for Hillary Clinton.
The NRA is heaping praise on Bernie Sanders after his comments.
She's not getting tweets of praise from the NRA, is she?
DeleteOne of my favorite comments from the debate was Sanders on his blind spot about racism:
ReplyDelete"When you are white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto, you don’t know what it’s like to be poor, you don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you are walking down a street or dragged out of a car," Sanders said.
Oy.
"When you are white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto, you don’t know what it’s like to be poor
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I really hope he didn't make this stupid comment.
Does he really think that there are no white people who are poor? This is the thinking that makes some people so mad at "liberals". I grew up POOR and have worked all my life. I also am not that liberal, but I sure am a Democrat!
Delete"I may be wrong, and if I am, please correct me but what she's saying is....." When she DOES he gets his dander up
DeleteYes, he did say the ghetto comment, which tells me he still doesn't understand nor connects with the "Black lives Matter" movement. I was waiting for Hillary to bite his index finger as he wagged it in her face "lecturing" her on his record. Did she say "Stop making and selling guns?"
He did.
DeleteHe did, @3:34. He did.
DeleteThat that my friends is why Bernie does not have the minority vote.
DeleteBTW BLM is not just about poor blacks, it's about the unfair treatment by police officers of all blacks ( and you could really include all minorities) regardless of their bank accts.
Bernie boils everything down to 1)money in politics and 2) (related to #1) income inequality imposed by the greedy millionaires, billionaires and Wall Street. I don't think he grasps the complexities of racism (or any issue). He sees racism as a poverty issue. He did a good thing by referencing institutional racism but his context seems to be that it's limited poor, inner city poor neighborhoods and would be solved by income equality.
Delete“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”
ReplyDeleteMark Twain
Cynicism 101.
Anonymous 3:02 PM, quoting Mark Twain: If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.
DeleteIn some parts of the country … they don't.
Gryphen,
ReplyDeleteI'm old, so I might not remember this right, but didn't you say, about 2 weeks or so ago, that you thought Hillary Clinton would probably be a one-termer?
Yeah I did. And it's a feeling I can't shake.
DeleteIt's part of the reason that I want Hillary to choose Warren as her running mate and then step aside and let Warren run in 2020.
I realize that such a scenario is unlikely, but I think it could help to hold onto the White House for another twelve years.
By the way I think that Bernie is likely to be a one term President as well.
The only way that would not be the case is if the GOP nominates a Ted Cruz to run against him.
What did I miss, why would Hillary or Bernie be only a one term president?
Delete"By the way I think that Bernie is likely to be a one term President as well."
DeleteI don't disagree with that. Bernie does have his weaknesses as a candidate, but I do agree with most of his message. I hope our country makes the corrective turn of getting money out of politics within the next couple of cycles because I might not be around in another 20 years.
I posted this a couple of weeks ago, but it's worth repeating. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton, said recently that "Hilary Clinton is the best candidate for the system that we have, and Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the system that we should have." In all honesty, IMO, not trying to cheer-lead for one candidate or the other, the country is faced with a dilemma.
They are old, esp. Bernie, @3:54
DeleteNo party has held onto the White House for more than three terms since Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman.
DeleteTo do so would require something that would convince the electorate that the Democrats were either offering something new and different, or to be so incredibly successful that the country could not imagine electing anybody else.
Gryphen - If you aren't familiar with Kamela Harris, CA Atty Gen. and, hopefully, CA's next Senator, take a look. I don't know if she'll be ready to run for the presidency in 2020 but she's got potential. Also, Warren could run even if she's not VP and might have a better chance if she's not VP. I can't think of a VP who followed up with more than a one-term presidency.
DeleteHillary Clinton Leaves Fox Whining And Whimpering After Dominating Fox News Town Hall
ReplyDeleteFox News’ Bret Baier tried to trip up Hillary Clinton on foreign policy, her emails, and abortion, but the former Sec. of State delivered a dominant performance.....
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/07/hillary-clinton-leaves-fox-whining-whimpering-dominating-fox-news-town-hall.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politicus+USA+%29
Poor Bernie had a bad night, it happens sometimes. He played into the NRA's hand, extrapolated that white people have no idea what living in a ghetto is like, don't know what it's like to be poor. Where does he come up with this stuff? I'm white, was raised in a ghetto, and was by no means middle class nor rich growing up. He just proved he has no idea of what the "Black Lives Matter" movement is about. He's a victim of white privilege, poor guy.
ReplyDeleteFinally, people are starting to talk about how there is no such thing as mental illness.
ReplyDelete"The central point of this and my earlier posts is that there are no mental illnesses. There are problems of living – problems that human beings encounter, sometimes resolve, sometimes live with. The so-called mental illnesses are an attempt to explain or understand these phenomena, but as explanations they are spurious, unhelpful, and indeed, counter-productive. They are merely labels."
But there are mental illnesses, just like there are physical illnesses. Talk like your post is why we are so far behind in the USA in dealing with and providing mental healthcare.
DeleteWhat utter nonsense, 4:22 pm. And completely off-topic.
DeleteNo, not exactly off-topic. It relates to another one of Bernie's gaffes in Sunday night. He offended many with his joke about the GOP & mental health.
DeleteThe glut of guns in this country has got to be dealt with sensibly. Responsible gun owners should pass tests and carry insurance - similar to the way we handle driving. The thought of random bullets and emotional triggers causing so much harm and heartbreak drives me mad. I'll defend Bernie on this front though. He has been representing the interests of his constiuents when it comes to guns, not the NRA. My suspicion is that any conservatives who are lauding Bernie for his gun policy, have come to bury Bernie, not praise him.
ReplyDeleteThe NRA, the Heritage Foundation and the Koch Brothers have all praised Bernie today. They love him!
ReplyDelete@ Anonymous4:08 PM - Bernie is six years older and in excellent health - Hillary is six years younger and has issues with obesity.
ReplyDeleteObesity? What the fuck are you talking about?
DeleteChrist in a handbag. Must we endure 8 more months of this idiocy, 6:04?
DeleteBernie looks horribly unhealthy, he must go to the same Dr as trump if his Dr thinks he is in good health.
DeleteObesity? What planet are you from? Hillary has never looked better.
DeleteThe old double standard is alive and well. And women are sometimes the worst at tearing down other women.
DeleteI hope you don't have daughters.
DeleteKasich is going all out in Mich, I received 4 calls in one day asking to vote for him.
ReplyDeleteThe best was when an actual human called, asking if I could for for Kasich. Boy they really need to get their voting lists corrected before calling a democrat :)
I told him No hell hasn't frozen over yet and while I enjoy the clown debates, I want an adult in the White House, so no I can't vote for Kasich.
I predict he is the next to drop out after tomorrow's primary.
I got two Kasich Robocalls today: one from MRS> Kasich extolling the wonderfulness of her husband, and one from him. Fat chance, Kasich-I grew up in Ohio and live in Michigan, so I know exactly what you GOP Governors do, and it isn't governing.
DeleteI don't understand how Bernie could equate gun control, with ending the manufacturing of guns. That's as ridiculous as him implying that all black people live in ghettos.
ReplyDeleteWell, I'm sure that he will clarify.
Bernie is an ideologue who doesn't handle complex issues well. I simply can't picture him handling the challenges of presidency but Pres. Obama has spoiled me.
DeleteAnon 7:41 pm: You're so right. President Obama handle crisis, complex questions, criticism, and haters well. He showed us what leadership is, and I may not have agreed with some of his decisions, he did not react to issues like the loonies on the right. I will miss him.
Deletethis position could actually help Bernie? what about this scenario: Trump continues to be disgusting to the point his supporters are turning away - where do they go? they don't want Cruz or Rubio, they hate Hillary with fiery passion. Maybe Bernie could be their choice with this position?
ReplyDeleteHillary had a good approval rating while she was Secretary of State. The Hillary-hate comes from a whisper campaign that isn't based in fact and which she'll handle masterfully in the general. Like Pres. Obama, there will be many she won't win over but she can get elected without them. And like Obama, she'll govern for everyone, even those who hate her.
DeleteYes, because they love Socialism.
DeleteIf you think the neo-nazi people who like Trump will like Bernie, the jewish anti-war socialist, you're dreaming.
DeleteHillary is a pathological liar. Her answers are spot on to what the polls say. Unfortunately, they are not her true opinion and how she will govern. Kudos to Bernie for giving truthful answers.
ReplyDeleteKudos to Bernie for truthfully saying he things only Black people know what it's like to be poor and all Black people are poor.
DeleteBernie? Truthful? LOL. He is nothing but a senile old man.
DeleteAnonymous 7:14 PM wrote: Unfortunately, [Hillary's answers] are not her true opinion and how she will govern.
DeleteHow can you tell? And why should we take the word of a nobody for it?
You are so blinded by your unreasonable hatred of Hillary that you can't see any of his faults and have put him on pedestal. You WILL be incredibly dissapointed in him as president in the unlikely event that he does win the election. He is no President Obama. If he were he would not be a virtual unknown at the age of 75 and after 20 years in the senate.
DeleteAnonymous8:19 PM
DeleteI hope you are being sarcastic
I started out supporting Hillary until Bernie announced his candidacy and I started listening to him. He was refreshingly leftist. But there are big cracks starting to show. I am back to supporting Hillary. But I am glad that he decided to run. He moved the national converstation (and Hillary) to the left.
DeleteI was being sarcastic.
Deletehttp://www.rollcall.com/news/for_ian_sams_political_experience_snowballed_into_a_hill_career_hill-227864-1.html
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DeleteGood for Bernie.
ReplyDeleteSo Hillary wants to end gun manufacturing in the US? And you think that is a good thing? Apparently the talk of 'they want to take our guns', is true!?
Definitely no vote for Hillary EVER!
The NRA agrees with you, Berniebro! They tweeted their praise!
DeleteSanders SUGGESTED Clinton wants to end gun manufacturing in the US.
DeleteInstead of vomiting out talking points, how about you use that brain of yours to really look at what's going on.
Clinton isn't saying gun manufacturers shouldn't produce their products in the US, just that they shouldn't have blanket immunity from law suits (which no other industry has).
Sanders says that lifting blanket immunity for gun manufacturers could ultimately cause them to stop making guns in the us.
So Bernie Sanders, the man who everyone claims is for the people and not for big companies, really loves the gun industry and wants to protect it from regulation.
That's sounds like the anti-regulation rhetoric we've heard from Republicans for decades. Since when did Bernie Sanders become a Republican?
6:55 are car manufacturers liable when someone purposely runs over another with a car? Are baseball bat manufacturers liable when a baseball bat is used as a weapon?
DeleteGun manufacturers do not have 'blanket immunity'. Like other products, if a gun malfunctions and causes injury or harm due to product defect, they certainly can be liable as any other manufacturer. But they absolutely should not be held liable for someone intending to use it illegally.
Auto dealers can be sued if they don't do a good enough job making their product safe. They can be forced to add safety features. Not so with gun manufacturers.
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