Tuesday, March 08, 2016

Wife of founding member of the Eagles rock band killed when rifle accidentally discharges in home.

Courtesy of Fox News:  

"Lana Meisner, wife of Eagles member Randy Meisner, was tragically shot with a firearm that accidentally discharged," the LAPD tweeted. 

The police explained in a press release that after a thorough investigation it was determined her death occurred when she moved a firearm and it discharged. 

"Mrs. Meisner was moving a rifle that was stored inside a case in a closet," the press release explained. "As she lifted the rifle in the case, another item within the case shifted and hit the trigger of the rifle causing it to fire and fatally injure Mrs. Meisner."

Okay perhaps one of you gun owners can explain this to me.

I am told repeatedly that pulling a trigger to fire a gun is something that does not happen accidentally, and that guns are safe so long as they are handled with care.

Yet here is an incident where a gun was IN THE case, with nobody touching the trigger, and it still killed this woman dead.

In other words sometimes guns really DO kill people. And apparently without any help from people whatsoever. 

74 comments:

  1. Anonymous6:42 AM

    Come on, Gryphen.

    Everyone knows that you need a certain amount of pressure on a trigger to make it go off. There's no way a child can pull a trigger. Guns are perfectly safe in your pocket or tucked into your waistband because bunched up fabric could never make a gun go off. There's no way something could fall and cause the gun to shoot without a human actually pulling the trigger.

    Guns are perfectly safe.

    Gun manufacturers are under no obligation to make it even harder to pull a trigger so that magically-strong toddlers or inanimate objects won't be able to do it. That would take away our right to be able to pull a trigger really easily. Then how would be protect ourselves from whatever is out to get us? And apparently, there is a LOT of stuff out to get us at all times. We need to have a hair trigger so we can shoot those things really, really fast, without much effort or any real thought process.

    Move along, nothing to see here.

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  2. Anonymous6:46 AM

    Accident. Right. It was just a coincidence that there was a domestic violence incident there earlier in the day.

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    1. Anonymous7:03 AM

      And answer me this. The report said that Randy was in another part of the house, so how does the LAPD know that this is exactly what happened?

      It's termed "conjecture" in a court of law.

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    2. Anonymous7:08 AM

      Yeah, just like "in 2015, he was temporarily placed under 24-hour supervision after allegedly threatening a murder-suicide, Rolling Stone reported."

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    3. Anonymous8:08 AM

      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wife-founding-eagles-member-randy-meisner-shot-dead-article-1.2555313
      LA is the place where Celebs get away with murder! OJ did, Robert Blake did and now this guy will also get away with murder!
      I hope her family gets his ass arrested for murder.

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  3. Anonymous6:54 AM

    Charge the *genius* that put in the case LOADED with murder.

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    1. Anonymous9:42 AM

      The *genius* is probably certified by Mat-Su Tactical for homeland safety. They did much better than Sarah Palin since gun was in a case. Sarah has guns, including assault weapons, all over her property out of their cases. they are not even in a gun safe of a closet. It is considered safe to leave them out.

      Also if you leave town be sure to leave all your guns and weapons under the care of a gun obsessed alcoholic with anger problems. Because no one questions your gun safety credentials and certificates.

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    2. Anonymous3:32 PM

      And if the drunk "genius" killed herself with the rifle who are you going to sue?

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  4. There's a safety. Engaged, the gun won't fire. To leave if off is just plain stupid.

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  5. Anonymous6:55 AM

    And it gets worse...

    In a move that shows just how little Republicans care about the opinion and safety of police, West Virginia now allows ANYONE to carry concealed weapons WITHOUT a permit.

    The state had previously required people who want the ability to carry a concealed weapon to get a permit and undergo training so that they know how to use their gun and keep themselves and others safe around it.

    Republicans, however, chose to pass House Bill 4145 to do away with that program and the permit system for anyone over 21 years of age.

    Governor Earl Ray Tomblin had vetoed the Republican gun bill on Thursday for the second time in two years citing police concerns that the law could turn West Virginia into a land of gunslingers who have no clue about gun safety or how to use it.

    “I just don’t think it’s in the best interest of the state of West Virginia to sign this bill,” Tomblin said. “When you’re a police officer and you walk into a dangerous situation, you almost have to expect that everyone’s carrying a gun.”

    But in their gun crazy fervor, Republicans decided to override that veto on Friday, thus dismantling a critical program that had kept the mentally ill and convicted felons from getting concealed carry permits. Now they’ll be able to carry their gun in public among innocent people who could end up being killed by someone who shouldn’t be able to have a gun in the first place.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/07/west-virginia-republicans-declare-war-on-police-by-letting-anyone-carry-a-gun-video/

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    1. Anonymous7:05 AM

      Holy crap.

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    2. linda7:12 AM

      had not read about this and it doesn't make me feel very safe. i live in southern Ohio, across the river from WV and i work in WV. i work in an office where customers/clients get angry fairly frequently because we are trying to help them get govt. benefits which they don't always get. we have locks on internal doors and have to let clients through to the conference rooms and the rest of the office. but if someone has a gun concealed, there is nothing to stop them from acting normal until they get through those doors.

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    3. Anonymous9:25 AM

      Back to the 'good old West'!

      7:12am: I would ask your superiors to make sure they install some metal detectors and a sign that no guns are allowed on the premises so the gun-slingers can be weeded out...

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  6. Anonymous6:56 AM

    OR, the gun had a little help but no one wants to discuss that part of it.

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  7. Anonymous7:00 AM

    Gun put away loaded? No safety on? She's handling it so its barrel points into her? I smell ze leetle rat.

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  8. Anonymous7:03 AM

    LAPD is tweeting its conclusions? Curiouser and curiouser.

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    1. Anonymous7:24 AM

      The LAPD is not known for being the smartest. See "OJ."

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  9. Anonymous7:09 AM

    Although any death is sad, I wonder if she was heavily insured and he had a younger girlfriend.

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  10. Anonymous7:11 AM

    The domestic violence call the same day makes this sound suspicious. If not and it occurred as described, this is gun safety 101 again. 1. Assume any gun you come upon is loaded. 2. Don't assume the safety is on if it has one. 3. Don't store loaded guns. I don't have any problem with people owning guns but people who own guns and everyone in their household should be trained how to handle guns. The other thing I think should be required is a sign at the entrance of every house with guns that notifies anyone entering that there are guns on the premises. I don't think these requirements interfere with a gun owner's rights.

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    1. Anonymous3:33 PM

      Drunks rarely handle weapons correctly. And it must have been mutual combat on the domestic if they didn't arrest anyone.

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  11. Anonymous7:15 AM

    "I knew the gun was loaded, but I didn't think he'd kill."

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    1. Anonymous7:24 AM

      Excellent!

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  12. No safety engaged? Bullet in the chamber? Something just Happened to fall and hit the trigger while she was moving the gun in it's case? Why was she moving the gun? Why wasn't it stored in the gun safe? Were they on their way to the range? That would be the only reason to be moving a gun. And stuff in a case with a gun would be not smart, it could scratch the stock or barrel. Not all rich people are smart. (see Trump in the dictionary).

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  13. Anonymous7:27 AM

    Killed the woman dead?

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  14. Anonymous7:31 AM

    Sad story. My husband knows Randy and he has been troubled for awhile now. His wife was the only bright spot in his life and now she's gone. I hope he gets the help he needs.

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    1. Anonymous8:39 AM

      I hope they lock him up for the rest of his natural life.

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    2. Anonymous9:33 AM

      Well aren't you sweet! What if the police were correct and he is innocent?

      Guilty until proven innocent works for you? Wow.

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    3. Anonymous1:43 PM

      Guilty until proven innocent works for you? Wow.
      ----
      That worked for OJ and Robert blake...

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    4. Anonymous3:34 PM

      Since when is having a drunk as a gf/bf considered "sweet"?

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  15. Anonymous7:33 AM

    "In other words sometimes guns really DO kill people. And apparently without any help from people whatsoever."

    An interesting tidbit for those who enjoy history: the Oregon Trail that the pioneers used to cross the country was approximately 2,200 miles long. Overall, about 400,000 people traveled on the Oregon Trail. 20,000 lost their lives making the journey - that's equivelent to one death every 1/10th of every mile for 2,200 miles. The number one cause of death along the trail was being run over by a wagon wheel. The second most common cause of death was accidental discharge of a firearm, with many of the firearms tucked "safely" into the wagon.

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    1. Being run over by a wagon wheel might have been the #1 cause of "accidental death" But it was far from the leading cause of death which was disease. The leading disease was cholera.

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    2. According to this government page, "Cholera:
      This disease resulted in more illness and death than all of the other maladies experienced
      by the emigrants."

      http://www.nps.gov/scbl/planyourvisit/upload/Death-and-Danger-Along-the-Trails.pdf

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    3. eclecticsandra9:56 AM

      Those firearms didn't have safeties. They took long enough to load that to get game, the guns had to stay loaded.

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  16. Anonymous7:38 AM

    The Repub convention should have the same gun laws apply to it that the pro-gun people have specified by law for private homes that may have angry spouses (with a history of "erratic behavior" like this guy) and small children in them. None of this "gun-free zone" for the perps.

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    1. Anonymous1:46 PM

      Well ya know, the R's made CPAC a "gun free zone"!!! Not a peep from all of them that went there.

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  17. Anonymous7:40 AM

    As others have said, why would you have a loaded gun in a case? It is conceivable, though, that something snagged on the trigger and it went off. In addition, if the shell was reloaded improperly, and is too long, just jarring the gun can - under unusual circumstances - fire the shell. All that said, this is a highly suspicious event.

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  18. Anonymous7:42 AM

    So much for a "Peaceful Easy feelin".

    TriG calls "BULLSHIT" on the explanation.

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    1. Anonymous2:16 PM

      Fuck Trig! Not everything is about a Palin, even on this blog.

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  19. Anonymous7:49 AM

    Gryphen, the article explains your questions. Mrs. Meisner was moving a rifle and another one fell and hit the trigger.

    It was not sitting all by itself IN THE case with nobody touching the trigger. The woman was handling it.

    The other part of the answer is in the story, too. She was NOT handling it with care. To be safe, the guns should be stored empty. Unloaded.

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    1. Well to be clear the report said that another "item" hit the trigger.

      As for not handling it with care, I am willing to bet she is not the one who stored a loaded firearm away, so she undoubtedly thought that moving a rifle while in its case was perfectly safe.

      My point is that firearms are NEVER really safe, and yet people bring them into their homes to improve their safety. It's illogical.

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    2. Anonymous8:01 AM

      Firearms are always safe when properly stored and handled. You might fool the rabid anti-gunners but that is about it.

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    3. Anonymous8:19 AM

      People bring guns into their homes to improve their macho, not their safety. To make their hands bigger and their fingers longer.

      Plus, I am reading about a history of substance abuse, erratic behavior, and lots of royalty money that others in the family wanted, and Lana was seen as the barrier to. My first thought is about someone deliberately putting the gun away in a loaded, safety-off condition with perhaps some other et ceteras that would promote "accidental" firing upon jostling of the case.

      And it's possible that the LAPD might have had some encouragement in issuing a TWEET re "accidental" so quickly, when usually it takes some time to release an official conclusion in a case where there is substance abuse, domestic violence, disputed money issues, and a history of erratic behavior and mental health issues.

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    4. Anonymous1:42 PM

      This is a reply to 8:01... I was married to a hunter for years, he was always a responsible gun handler, I admired his standards in keeping his guns in the house. He kept a 45 on the top shelf of our bedroom closet, I would move that thing around, trusting that the chamber had been emptied... because he told me it had been emptied. One day I was in the kitchen, and I heard that gun go off... When I went back to our bedroom he was sitting there stunned. He had taken that gun out to clean, and it was loaded. Fortunately the only thing that died that day was the TV set in our bedroom. I changed my views that day about guns in the home.

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    5. Anonymous3:49 AM

      Gryphen, yes she was probably not the one who stored a loaded firearm away. But, if she knew anything about guns, she would NOT ever think that "moving a rifle while in its case was perfectly safe."

      You are correct in that firearms are NEVER really safe. That's why the first rule of gun safety is to ALWAYS treat the gun as if it were loaded. She didn't.

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  20. Anonymous7:56 AM

    If there was a safety, it should have been on. No round should have been in the chamber. It almost always comes down to human beings not doing the right thing(s). My guns are unloaded, trigger guarded if no safety, all securely locked in a heavy steel gun case. I can get to them and load them quickly, but never had to and I'm 62. If this story pans out, these folk didn't know basic gun safety.

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    1. Anonymous8:53 AM

      All of these "accidents" are caused by poor weapon knowledge and not following basic rules.
      She also broke one basic tenet by handling a weapon drunk.
      I hae all kinds of hunting weapons and target weapons ( I used to do the biathlon and compete in shooting competitions) My husband has also competed. But our weapons, including our bows are locked in safes, which are locked in a "safe room". Ammo is kept in separate safes.

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    2. Anonymous1:54 PM

      Ok gun geniuses how was it the gun was pointing at her, her HEAD to be exact, when the other object hit it causing it to discharge?
      Its a well known fact by FBI profilers that people who are killed by having their faces destroyed are often killed by someone who knows them.
      who in their goddamned right mind does this "As she lifted the rifle in the case, another item within the case shifted and hit the trigger of the rifle "
      and who is stupid enough to believe the story?
      The LAPD.
      http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2016/03/tragic-accidental-discharge-of-firearm-results-in-death-of-mrs-lana-meisner-.html
      LAPD is the biggest Celebutards ever!

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    3. Anonymous3:39 PM

      @ 1:54 pm
      Drunks and guns are never a good mix, she was nothing but a drunk.

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  21. Anonymous8:10 AM

    I read this yesterday. The first word that came to my mind was, bullshit.

    "As she lifted the rifle in the case." Where was the case? What kind of case? Lifted from where? Was it on a shelf? What item shifted? How did that item manage to hit that trigger on its way by?

    Where was she hit? At what angle? Remember, we're talking about a long barrel. That barrel had to be pointed at her.

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    1. Anonymous8:48 AM

      You don't have to shoot yourself in the head to kill yourself with a rifle (hitting any major artery will cause you to bleed out very quickly). That said, I do own a few shorter rifles where that would be possible, namely an over/under .22-.410 ( youth size and still my favorite weapon of choice for snakes on the ranch) , a shorter .270 and a youth size .22.

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    2. Anonymous10:59 AM

      I did not say that she was shot in the head. I asked where she was shot.

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    3. Anonymous3:48 PM

      In Los Angeles, apparently.

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  22. What kind of idiot stores a rifle with a round in the chamber?

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    1. Anonymous8:46 AM

      The same kind of idiot who shoots him/herself while cleaning their gun, an occurrence which we seem to read about every week. Anybody who doesn't check that a gun is cleared of live rounds before cleaning or storing it is just that: an idiot and often, a dead idiot.

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  23. Anonymous8:44 AM

    A drunk, whether they be male or female, handling a weapon isn't an accident. It is a blatant choice. Sorry, I don't believe drugs/alcohol are an excuse for an adults actions. But at least she shot herself and no one else.

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  24. And I keep coming up with one question: Did he aim the rifle at her, or was she planning on aiming it at him? Given the earlier domestic violence call, there's a stink to all this that isn't going away.

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    1. Anonymous1:56 PM

      Ya there is THAT, she may have been going to shoot him?
      But I think he shot her. And LAPD is letting another guy off the hook. Oh tweeting about Domestic Violence they are???

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  25. From what I've read so far, this story is bogus. Better chance that he shot her then staged an accident.

    You forgot to mention that earlier in the day the police had been called to the house for a domestic violence call. Someone need to do a better investigation.

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  26. Anonymous10:34 AM

    In 2015, he was temporarily locked up for threatening a murder-suicide, yet he still has guns in his house?

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  27. Threatening a murder-suicide is not enough to strip you of your CONSTITUTION GRANTING, GOD GIVING RIGHT to own firearms. Only after you actually kill someone do the look at possibly restricting that right a little bit.

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    1. Anonymous1:21 PM

      There is no god, honey. And if you are going to threaten me with a gun, you're right you're going to have your guns taken away.

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    2. Anonymous4:27 PM

      CONSTITUTION GRANTING, GOD GIVING RIGHT ??? A certain faction of the political world keeps saying that God granted us all our rights, we were founded on religion, and equally ridiculous crap. NO GOD WAS INVOLVED IN ESTABLISHING THIS COUNTRY. NOT INVOLVED IN OUR RIGHT TO HAVE GUNS. NOT INVOLVED IN ANY PART OF IT. How can somebody think they're qualified to be prez when they actually think a God was in on the founding of this country?

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  28. Anonymous12:30 PM

    My guess is Lana was trying to move an upright rifle, stored in its case in the far corner of a closet. She was moving it right after the LAPD responded to her domestic violence call.

    Maybe she grabbed through the soft case and caused it to go off, or maybe something in the case shifted and caused a sensitive trigger to fire.

    However it happened, it is believable as every year it happens during hunting season. Someone is laying an "unloaded" rifle or shotgun in the back of a suv/truck and it goes off. Someone places a gun against a tree or rock and it goes off.

    There are references to CCTV and LAPD clearing this, so it really does look like a horrible accident.

    This is so tragic. Randy and Lana have had issues with unstableness, but they were a long-time couple who appeared to deeply love each other.

    There are still outstanding questions which we can learn from. The biggest being if the cops asked if there were any guns/rifles in the house. If media reports are true, the domestic call was about Randy firing a BB gun at her! So did the police ask if there were any more weapons? Did Lana/Randy say yes or no?

    I don't know if one answers "yes, there are guns" the police say "well, give them to us or hide them."

    I don't know if one answers "no, we don't have any guns" but skeptical police search their computer to see if there are any registered to the complaintant and alleged perpetrator.

    I don't know if police accept the "no," don't check gun registration and drive away.

    But these questions should be answered to figure out how this horrid accident happened. Police walk such a ridiculous fine line when responding to domestic calls, but their hands are so tied.

    Randy was such a shy gentle soul with amazing talent and who helped create the LA soft country rock sound of Poco and Eagles. He seemed to have nervousness demons, and maybe that's why there was a killing weapon in an upscale gated LA house. Last year's attempt at conservativeship failed, so I guess it was within Randy and Lana's 2nd amendment rights to have loaded weapons in their house.

    How sad it is for Lana's family and Randy. Just so tragic. Yet so preventable.

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    1. Anonymous1:56 PM

      You would perhaps mean conservatorship? Because people were concerned that Randy wouldn't live much longer if they didn't get him away from Lana, that conservatorship?

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  29. Anonymous1:08 PM

    Once I was over at my sister's house with my toddler, and I suddenly realized that the thing that he was dragging around was some kind of large gun in a black hard plastic case. I was horrified and immediately picked him up and said, "Oh my god, you guys just leave guns laying around the house?". My brother-in-law just laughed it off and assured me that it was completely safe. Since he is a highly educated professional, I kind of took his word for it (though I've personally never felt comfortable around any firearm).

    Now you know why I find this story so disturbing.

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    1. Anonymous1:58 PM

      Anonymous1:08 PM
      and you didn't call CPS on them?

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    2. Anonymous10:37 PM

      No, I did not. I invited myself to their private home to visit, and they have no children of their own, so I really don't think that they were committing any kind of act that would have warranted a call to Child Protective Services. However, I did start having all holiday meals, family celebrations, etc. at my house after that. The weird thing is that our father worked for a law enforcement agency, but never allowed a gun to be kept in our home. He always said that statistics proved that people were safer without them..........I really don't know how sis ended up being attracted to them. Truthfully though, I think she never would have bought one if she hadn't married somebody who was into it. If it was me, I would have made my husband sell any guns he owned before I moved in with him............I just cannot relax when I know that there's one around. The gun industry would literally never have made even one sale if everyone felt the way that I do around guns!

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  30. Anonymous1:41 PM

    Today is Randy's 70th birthday. I seem to be the only one who remembered, aside from his devoted fans.

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    1. Anonymous2:07 PM

      I believe that this was a very tragic accident & my sympathies go to the families and loved ones of the Meisners. I've always been an Eagles fan and it still seems surreal that Glenn Frey is gone.

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    2. Anonymous4:40 PM

      It is Randy's 70th bday. I'm a "meisenette" too. And my heart just breaks for Lana's family and Randy. It seems to be such a horrid accident.

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  31. Anonymous1:49 PM

    The lead singer of Chicago blew his brains out in front of his wife, pretending to shoot himself with a pistol lying around at a roadie's house. People are stupid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btq4MnwvQgM

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  32. Anonymous2:00 PM

    @ twodux9:37 AM - Yes, you are right. I should have said accidental deaths. Touché.

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  33. Anita Winecooler4:11 PM

    Haven't read the comments, so forgive me if this has already been covered. Usually, I'd say this was no accident, and I'm going to say it again. A loaded gun, in a case with "another object" with the safety off may seem smart to the owner of the gun, if someone armed breaks in, he's already loaded and ready to go, this negligence cuts a minute or two for the owner to just open the case and "protect his/her life and property.
    Sorry, no safety on, nor trigger lock, it wasn't an accident.
    I was in a locksmith shop getting keys made, and behind the counter were dozens and dozens of trigger locks, most with a key, some with a combination. So if "another object" in or outside the case shifts, the gun won't go off.
    I asked generally the price range for a trigger lock, depending on the make and model, it runs anywhere from twenty five bucks to sixty.
    I'm sorry for his loss, I can't imagine what he's going through because the "what if's" stay with you forever.
    We need a new word for "accident" when it comes to guns and situations like this one and others.

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    1. Anonymous8:22 PM

      The other word for 'accident' is more than one word, 'death by gun' or 'death by bullet' or 'careless gun use.'

      Best I got.

      dowl

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