Wednesday, May 25, 2016

Bernie Sanders insults the intelligence of the American voters.

Courtesy of Salon:  

The Bernie Sanders campaign has injected a lot of welcome aspects of lefty thought into the national discourse this election cycle: An emphasis on income inequality, a discussion on how to rebuild the declining middle class, a reminder that almost none of the bankers who destroyed our economy paid for their crimes. 

Unfortunately, Sanders is also injecting one of the most wrong-headed and frankly embarrassing aspects of lefty thought into our discourse: The tendency to dismiss people who disagree with you as dupes who have been misled by a shadowy cabal of evil masterminds who brainwash the masses in order to perpetuate economic injustice. 

This is the premise of Sanders’ “political revolution” argument: That the only reason voters hadn’t backed a socialist in the past is they never really had a chance to. But once they heard the good news about democratic socialism, they will throw off their shackles, embrace the truth, and usher in our socialist paradise. 

That sort of rhetoric is harmless enough when it’s a pitch to win over voters. But now Sanders is losing the nomination. Rather than accepting the possibility that the voters heard his pitch and disagreed with him, however, Sanders has started to dismiss his loss as inauthentic, the product of shadowy forces misleading the easily duped voters rather an an authentic rejection, by the voters, of his ideas.

It has been pointed out here and in other places that Sanders seems perfectly happy with the primary system so long as he wins, especially the caucus system which most of us despise,  but whenever he comes up short he IMMEDIATELY claims that the process is rigged or broken.

At first it was easy to laugh off, but now that it has taken root, and there are people essentially calling every primary that Bernie lost illegitimate, and calling for a massive overhaul of the entire, it is really no longer a laughing matter.

Remember this is the same system that selected Jimmy Carter in the 1970's, Bill Clinton in the 1990's, and Barack Obama in 2008.

And of course back then their opponent's supporters also thought the system was rigged, and cried foul. THAT is also essentially part of the process.

If you think WE have it bad just imagine how the Republicans must feel having just selected the orange tinted short fingered vulgarian as their candidate. If ever a primary process needed overhauling, that would seem to be the party to take that leap first.

Over on the Huffington Post they have offered a helpful guideline on how elections work for the more fact resistant  of the Bernie supporters.

Speaking of Bernie supporters I finally had a long conversation with my daughter last night.

I initially called to ask her if she thought the attacks being launched against Hillary by Trump, which dredge up Bill Clinton's past indiscretions and blame her for being an enabler, would work with young millennial females.

She said absolutely not, and that her friends find him more repulsive every time he opens his mouth.

I thought so, but it never hurts to check.

So after that we discussed the state of the Democratic primary and she expressed disappointment over how it played out and that she still feels that Bernie would have been the best choice.

However she is facing facts and has every intention of voting for Hillary in the general.

She also shared that after the New York primary the number of pro-Sanders Facebook posts on her timeline dropped dramatically, and since that time have only been intermittent.

She said that a lot of her friends, who were inspired by the simple message put forth by Sanders, were now pretty disgusted with the back and forth between Hillary and Trump.

She also said that right now a lot of them are feeling drained by the process and many simply want to ignore the whole thing until it is over.

So I said I understood that and reminded her of how all of the Obama supporters felt after he was elected and immediately ran into a Republican wall of resistance which made it almost impossible for him to push through his agenda.

I then reminded her that if you are really unhappy with the way things are going then giving up is not an option, and went on to bore her with stories of the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, and the current progress of the LGBT movement. And that if she and her fellow millennials want to change the party platform, and the political process, they need to stay engaged and not take their ball and go home. 

The call ended after I started singing "We Shall Overcome." Off key of course.

What can I say, I was caught up in the moment.


  1. Anonymous2:07 PM


    An Awkward Reality in the Democratic Primary
    Washington voters handed Hillary Clinton a primary win, symbolically reversing the result of the state caucus where Bernie Sanders prevailed.

    Washington voters delivered a bit of bad news for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution on Tuesday. Hillary Clinton won the state’s Democratic primary, symbolically reversing the outcome of the state’s Democratic caucus in March where Sanders prevailed as the victor. The primary result won’t count for much since delegates have already been awarded based on the caucus. (Sanders won 74 delegates, while Clinton won only 27.) But Clinton’s victory nevertheless puts Sanders in an awkward position.


    1. Anonymous2:31 PM

      Bernie is not going to like this. The Democrats are stealing his thunder.

    2. Anonymous3:18 PM

      Just look at how many more people voted in the primary! That shows you the way caucuses disenfranchise many voters and simply turn off others for various reasons.

    3. Anonymous5:45 PM

      Anonymous3:18 PM,
      Yeah, but he is not complaining about THOSE causes. Only the ones where he didn't win.

    4. Anonymous11:19 PM

      The Revolution Cannot Be Digitized. - the name of Sanders' new book in 2017.

  2. Anonymous2:22 PM

    Believe Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver. Don't believe the media. Yeah right.

    Washington Post:
    No, the pressure on Bernie Sanders to drop out isn’t a media creation
    By Callum Borchers

    Bernie Sanders's campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said on Fox News on Wednesday morning that Democrats aren't really trying to push the senator from Vermont out of the presidential race at all. That pressure to drop out and unite behind likely nominee Hillary Clinton, you see, is just a media creation.

    HOST STEVE DOOCY: On a scale of 1 to 10, how much pressure are you getting from Democrats and party officials to drop out?

    WEAVER: One being the low? So it would be a 1. There really has not—

    DOOCY: Really?

    WEAVER: I mean, there are a few people out in the media, but in terms of a kind of real effort, probably zero is more like it.

    DOOCY: Wow. Not what you read in the papers.

    WEAVER: Right. Exactly. Don't believe everything you read in the papers.


  3. Anonymous2:24 PM

    This is how Hillary insults the American public:

    1. Anonymous2:59 PM

      Hillary Clinton: "I've Been The Most Transparent Public Official In Modern Times"
      She's full of shit,and scared to debate Bernie and face questions from moderators.
      Press conference? Do it.
      Release transcripts from all the folks that gave her 250k a pop totaling 21 mil. over two years? Fuck yeah.
      C'mon Hillary,step the fuck up little Ms.Transparency!
      And YES,I wanna see Bernie's taxes and if Jane committed crimes at Burlington,she needs to pay.
      Just like Hillary needs to pay.
      Trump needs to pay for his sorry ass bullshit too.

    2. Anonymous3:16 PM

      No more start, starman?

      (Don't use the phrase "little Ms." for any woman. It makes you look like a real asshole)

    3. Anonymous3:17 PM

      I noticed you didn't call Bernie, "little Mr." Why is that?

    4. Anonymous3:22 PM

      Is this you not being a douche, 2:59?

    5. Anonymous3:31 PM

      Her Royal Highness HRC.
      Geriatric Democratic Socialist

      This is the PDF link to the State Department report:

    6. Anonymous4:45 PM

      hahahaha, the Washington Times, the Moonie-owned rightwing trash? THAT'S what you're quoting? Why not just go to Fox news?

    7. Anonymous5:17 PM

      You don't call a grown woman, "little Ms." no matter what you think about her. As I wrote, it makes you look like an asshole. I'm beginning to think you don't just LOOK like an asshole.

      Do you think you're politically progressive? Think again.

    8. Anonymous5:48 PM

      Anonymous2:59 PM

      Well, if it isn't a BernieBro, as I live and breathe! Holding all the women accountable (and Trump as an afterthought).

    9. Anonymous6:18 PM

      The equivalent of calling Clinton little ms. Is calling Sanders , boy.

  4. Anonymous2:47 PM

    Bernie must be the devil incarnate. I can't wait until Elizabeth Warren gets on his case and tells the truth about Jane and all they have done.

    1. Anonymous3:15 PM

      There's no such thing as the devil and even if there were, Bernie wouldn't be him incarnate.

      -from a Clinton supporter

    2. Anonymous3:56 PM

      As once a Clinton supporter, the loudest Dems have convinced me not to vote for the 'devil incarnate', I didn't believe in the devil but Dems are convincing. I can choose to write in or go with Trump.

    3. Anonymous5:18 PM

      Yeah, right, 3:56.

    4. Anonymous5:51 PM

      Anonymous3:56 PM,

      You are one collossal idiot. If you vote against a candidate because of the candidate's supporters, you should forfeit your right to vote and check into an asylum.

    5. Anonymous9:15 PM

      I was never a Rep or Dem, but I voted Dem. I always had more respect of Dem Party because I thought it was more democratic. Now I am agreeing with my friend who always said it is rigged, both parties. Dems are no better. Rep and Dems are one and the same. He has said that for years. He is right.

      Debbie Wasserman Schultz has opened more people's eyes. Since it is set up and Hillary will win, why bother to vote at all? Even if it is set up for Trump to win, the same applies.

      I know Hillary changed about her support to go to war for Bush and poppy to get Saddam and Cheney to have his way. Now I don't trust her. She and Bill are far too close to Bush. Hillary with McCain, it makes her look shaded and creepy. She lost me at that time but I got suckered back into her smooth talk. She does look Presidential, intelligent, capable and all that. She will change when it is shown to her she needs to change for votes. That does not make her someone to vote into office. Repubs and Dems are one and the same. You have to want to vote for a rigged election.

    6. Anonymous9:46 PM

      Anonymous9:15 PM
      Oh, stop with the victimhood mentality and conspiracy theories.

      Do something about. Get involved in politics at the local, state and mid-term level. That's where change happens. Change doesn't happen by getting on some bandwagon every 4-8 years.

    7. Anonymous10:35 PM

      Democrats flaked on President Obama at the mid terms. That is a fact. They are all losers. Hill can have her fix, they will flake on her at mid terms. No way would I get involved with politics. What is the point? You have to believe in the games and pretend it all works like they preach.

    8. Anonymous11:21 PM

      9:15 - no one cares who you vote for. It's on you.

  5. Anonymous3:17 PM

    If the millennials want to make a difference they should do it properly. Register to vote as Democrats and learn the rules and then work within the system to improve them. The Democrats are not the "enemy." In a two-party political system you choose one political philosophy or the other.

    Millennials may not understand what is at stake in November: every little improvement in the lives of ordinary Americans that President Obama and the Democrats in Congress have achieved through hard work against horrendous odds will be gone if the GOP retains its stranglehold on Congress and if it retakes the White House. Never again will minorities be treated with respect. Never again will science fairs be held in the White House. Never again will anyone in power take on climate change, gender inequality, racial inequality, and so on. All of the issues that young people care about will be ignored and we'll once again be wallowing in war mongering with the ordinary people paying more in taxes so the rich can pay less and the nation can wither. November counts.

    1. Anonymous3:24 PM

      Spot on as always, Beaglemom.

    2. Anita Winecooler5:20 PM

      plus 1000

    3. Anonymous5:38 PM


      Trump is a showman. He likes rich minorities, his Muslims will be front and center of something, he will put on science fair shows to prove how right he is (whatever it is at that moment), he will appoint Caitlyn Jenner and his pals so he appears equal. Mid term elections count but not to Democrats if they don't vote.

    4. Anonymous1:36 AM

      Millenials are assholes.

  6. Anonymous3:29 PM

    Just Dad calling to lecture you on politics!

    Wow. Don't be surprised when she does what I did and just changes her number.

    1. Anonymous6:50 PM

      "dismiss people who disagree with you as dupes"

      Gee, that sounds a lot like the Hillary bootlickers on this board.

      I didn't read anything in the posted article about Saunders "insulting the intelligence of American voters."

      Nope. That's all Gryphens negative rhetoric. If there is vitriol to be flung there is plenty to go around. In fact I read a lot more of it coming from the Hillary camp on this board. I guess they are just following Gryphen's lead.

      Again, don't blubber and whine when the Bernie supporters you are insulting the intelligence of refuse to bow down and vote for Hillary. You only brought it on yourselves.

    2. Anonymous9:21 PM

      Boot lickers? And what are you licking?

    3. Anonymous9:42 PM

      Anonymous6:50 PM

      We are not going to whine. We are just going to look down on you and call you stupid. But when you start whining about President Trump, don't complain to the Democrats. Go whine to Sanders.

    4. Anonymous10:27 PM

      President Trump will be pleased for all to keep up the fuss. It is energy, not dull.

  7. Anonymous3:29 PM

    Washington voters delivered a bit of bad news for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution on Tuesday. Hillary Clinton won the state’s Democratic primary, symbolically reversing the outcome of the state’s Democratic caucus in March where Sanders prevailed as the victor. The primary result won’t count for much since delegates have already been awarded based on the caucus. (Sanders won 74 delegates, while Clinton won only 27.) But Clinton’s victory nevertheless puts Sanders in an awkward position.

    Sanders has styled himself as a populist candidate intent on giving a voice to voters in a political system in which, as he describes it, party elites and wealthy special-interest groups exert too much control. As the primary election nears its end, Sanders has railed against Democratic leaders for unfairly intervening in the process, a claim he made in the aftermath of the contentious Nevada Democratic convention earlier this month. He has also criticized superdelegates—elected officials and party leaders who can support whichever candidate they chose—for effectively coronating Clinton.

    As Sanders makes those arguments, he runs up against a few inconvenient realities. He trails Clinton in the popular-vote count and has performed well in caucuses, which consistently witness depressed voter turnout relative to primary elections. What happened in Washington is a painful reminder of this for the campaign: Far more voters took part in Washington’s Democratic primary than its state caucus, preliminary counts indicate. Roughly 230,000 people participated in the Democratic caucus, The Stranger reported in March. In contrast, more than 660,000 Democratic votes had been tallied in the primary as of Tuesday, according to The Seattle Times. That lopsided reality makes it more difficult for Sanders to argue that his candidacy represents the will of the people.

    1. Anonymous6:51 PM

      You mean they changed their votes after being told for weeks that Bernie lost and it was just Hillary left?

      Wow. Imagine that. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.

    2. Anonymous9:19 PM

      Anonymous6:51 PM,

      Are you saying they are that uninformed or dumb? If they thought the primaries were over, why are they still voting. Whata dumb comment. You really think that you must ne the smartest person in the universe and nobody else knows what they are doing.

    3. Anonymous11:17 PM

      Hey 6:51, hundreds of thousands more people voted in the primary than participated in the caucus. Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

  8. Anonymous3:35 PM

    A Democratic Primary That's 2008 All Over Again?

    Bernie Sanders is contesting the Democratic primary to the end, just as Hillary Clinton did eight years ago—but that parallel has its limits.

    In May of 2008, two Democrats were somehow still fighting over the nomination. The stronger of the two had a comfortable lead in delegates and made calls to unify the party. But the weaker contender, buoyed by a loyal base, refused to give up. It got awkward.

    The difference in 2016, of course, is Hillary Clinton’s position in the drama. She played the spoiler eight years ago, refusing to concede to Barack Obama in a primary that dragged into June, to the consternation of party elders. (They were nervously eyeing John McCain, who had pluckily sewn up his nomination by late February). But this year, she is the candidate ascendant, impatient to wrap up this whole Bernie Sanders business and take on Donald Trump.

  9. Nikogriego3:41 PM

    There were verifiable discrepancies in the primary voting, as described by Richard Charnin, who uses the exit poll data very effectively to show that shenanigans have been ongoing.

    In this blog post, he compares the fraudulent 2004 election results and exit poll data with the primary and exit poll results of this year.

    "In 2004, the average exit poll margin of error was 3.43%
    In 2016, the average exit poll margin of error is 3.52%

    In 2004, 23 of 50 exit polls (46%) exceeded the margin of error.

    In 2016, 12 of 26 (46%) exceeded the margin of error.

    In 2004, 22 of 50 (44%) exceeded the margin of error for Kerry.

    In 2016, 11 of 26 (42%) exceeded the MoE for Sanders. The probability is 1 in 76.8 billion

    In 2004, 42 of 50 (84%) shifted to Bush in the vote. The probability is 1 in 1.7 million.

    In 2016, 24 of 26 (92%) shifted to Clinton in the vote. The probability is 1 in 190,000."

    The system *is* rigged, in many places.

    1. Did you look at the guy's huge spreadsheet? Pretty neat. But first off, out of the 26 states he uses that had exit polling data, I found four where the exit poll data had Bernie LOWER than what he actually got, not 2 (MD, NH, VT, WV). So in 2016, 22 of 26 "shifted" to Clinton, not 24.

      In only 10 of the 26 states with the exit poll data did the difference exceed the margin of error (MoE) for the poll. Of the 10, 4 exceeded it by less than 2%, 9 exceeded it by less than 4%.

      And then there was Arizona, but then there was also a strange note on the spreadsheet I wasn't quite sure what it meant, but it might have had something to do with whoever was doing the polling.

      Let’s take a couple of states where Clinton and Sanders were really close but Clinton won - CT, IL and MA

      State: CT
      Sanders Vote - 47.4%
      Sanders Exit Poll - 48.4%
      MoE - 3.64
      Discrepancy - within MoE

      State: IL
      Sanders Vote - 49.1%
      Sanders Exit Poll - 51.2%
      MoE - 3.48
      Discrepancy - within MoE

      State: MA
      Sanders Vote - 49.3%
      Sanders Exit Poll - 53.3%
      MoE - 3.53
      Discrepancy - outside of MoE by 0.47

      As far as the numbers I see on that spreadsheet, Arizona is the only one that looks like there might have been something hinky going on, and without knowing more about who took the poll, how it was taken, sample size, etc. no definitive conclusions can be drawn.

      Doesn’t look like a vast conspiracy to me.

    2. Anonymous7:02 PM

      There's lies, damned lies and then there's statistics.

      That's not the kind of rigging that is being talked about.

  10. Anonymous3:49 PM

    I rather hear from Pocahontas. She can give an independent old Jewish crank the best whoopin.

    1. Anonymous4:01 PM

      "She can give an independent old Jewish crank the best whoopin."
      In your dreams...

    2. Anonymous5:19 PM

      Dueling douches in this thread.

    3. Anonymous5:36 PM

      Pretty much, 5:19 PM.

    4. Anonymous7:04 PM

      I guess this sort of racist vitriol is now the new normal on Gryphen's "Anonymous Rules" blog.

    5. Anonymous9:50 PM

      3:49 - 'Becky' is a rude way to refer to white girls in general, and 'Shanequa' is a rude way to refer to black girls in general, and 'Pocahontas' is a very rude way to refer to North American Indian girls, unless that is the correct name.

      You must be a 'Don'...

  11. Anonymous3:50 PM

    HRC >looks over here and over here. "As long as he does not taking anything else off". You go girl>>

  12. Anonymous4:23 PM

    Your own advice to your daughter is don't give up, but you have been screaming for Sanders to quit for a month now, then ridiculously claim he is hurting Clinton by continuing to press on.
    Starting a movement to reintroduce a political ideology which helped make America the greatest country in the world will take time. Sanders himself said it won't happen even if he is elected.
    Maybe you should suggest your daughter read the factual history of how Democratic Socialism leadership- not only saved the world, but created the greatest middle class in the world, which created the greatest economy and living standards the world has ever seen.
    Instead we get corporate Hillary who supports policies that follow Obama who was just Bush lite to begin with.
    The party has to reflect the millions of Democratic voters supporting Sanders; which makes up a higher percentage in the Democratic party, than Trumps supporters do in the Republican party.

    1. Anonymous5:55 PM

      "Instead we get corporate Hillary who supports policies that follow Obama who was just Bush lite to begin with. "

      If you think Obama was "Bush lite" you're an idiot living in an alternate reality.

    2. Anonymous6:16 PM

      Right anon 5:55
      Did you get your Obama extension of the Bush tax cut?
      Talk about stupid, you are delusional.

    3. Anonymous7:14 PM

      Not just the Democratic Party. The Democrats need to acknowledge the many Independents and non-partisans that also support Bernie.

      If Hillary becomes president, she is not supposed to just represent Democrats or just those Democrats that voted for her. She is supposed to work for ALL Americans. That includes those that are not in the Democratic party. If she isn't considering the many Bernie supporters that are not registered Democrats, then she is making a huge error on judgement.

      And it is a bigger error in judgement for the Hillary supporters to be dumping on Bernie for continuing the race into the convention and to insult his supporters for supporting him.

      Like Gryphen continues to do with his vitriolic title to this post and leading by example in insulting the intelligence and RIGHTS of Sanders supporters to vote their conscience.

    4. Anonymous9:07 PM

      Anonymous6:16 PM

      Right. Because all he has to do is wave his magic wand. /s

      Grow up.

    5. Anonymous9:10 PM

      Anonymous7:14 PM

      "....the notion that independent voters are really a thing is mostly a myth. While 42% of voters do identify that way, more in-depth research shows that the vast majority of them vote consistently for one party. The popularity of identifying as “independent” almost certainly has more to do with the American fetishization of individualism and people’s desire to feel like unique snowflakes, and has nothing to do with a sincere rejection of both the parties."

  13. Anonymous4:24 PM

    A little off T.

    Did Trump lie?

    I heard him say Melania Trump did his hair.

    1. Anita Winecooler5:36 PM

      Were his lips moving? Then yes, he lies. Pretty interesting gawker link. I don't think Trump trusts Melania anywhere near his head with scissors.

  14. Anonymous4:30 PM

  15. Anonymous4:32 PM

    Donald Trump Doesn’t Want Protesters To Get Hurt If Cameras Are Around

    “Don’t hurt him ... I say that for the television cameras,” Trump said.

  16. Anonymous4:35 PM

    Exposing Trump's Decades of Deep Ties to Organized Crime

    Trump's real estate empire and casinos have mob roots.

    Trump’s Top Campaign Adviser Made Millions From Arms Dealers, Warlords, Dictators and Oligarchs

    Report: “Manafort was responsible for representing some of the world’s most unsavory clients.”

  17. Anonymous4:36 PM

    How I wish people talked intelligently here instead of stars and symbols. "Look here!' You defeat your point of view before even making it.

    Also too, those who use an apostrophe ess as the plural of a word. Never to old too learn!

    And you call out Gryph? hahahaha

    -- Grammar Police "prolly" having too much fun posting this.

    1. Anonymous7:27 PM

      You need to update your grammar lexicon to include norms that have been developed for the internet.

      Using * on each side of a word *emphasizes* a word since there is no inflection in print and no one can see your face for facial cues. Likewise all caps indicates SHOUTING, another way of emphasizing a word or statement.

      Yes, everyone should spell correctly and the use of apostrophes is often in error. But not the only ones.

      There, their, they're.

      You're, your.

      Its, it's.

      In the end this is a blog, not a masters dissertation.

      Besides, the bad spelling and grammar are usually dead giveaways you're dealing with a t'bagger or at the very least a redneck Republican. Makes them easy to spot.

    2. Anonymous9:24 PM

      7:27 PM

      Or dyslexics or handicapped. Last I checked that is not a crime just annoying to the superior readers on this blog.

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  19. Anonymous4:53 PM

    In the spirit of the ongoing Bernie Bashing I doubt we'll read any negatives about Hillary's kissy face Debbie Wasserman Schultz either. After all, any criticism of DWS is just like criticizing Hillary Clinton and we all know that this head in the sand blog would never tolerate in inference that their chosen one might have one speck of weakness or fault and that goes for all of her bootlickers.

    "Powerful Democratic senators did not come to Wasserman Schultz’s defense on Wednesday after discussions of a coup attempt, first reported by The Hill on Tuesday evening, began gripping the Capitol."

    "Senate Democrats say privately that the polarizing DNC head and Florida congresswoman is just about the worst person to preside over the Democratic convention this summer and heal the party after her caustic remarks lately about Bernie Sanders. But talk of a coup attempt is all anonymous at this point.
    “I think it’s real,” argued one Democratic senator, envisioning Wasserman Schultz being shouted down on national TV while presiding over the convention. “I think it’s in her best interest and Hillary Clinton’s best interest” to leave the job."

    “No one thinks she's doing a good job but she won't step down and getting rid of her is a big task that at the end of the day always seems like more trouble than it's worth,” a senior Democratic aide added. “The feeling among those who want a change is that having her preside over the convention makes it much, much harder to resolve the rift between now and then, or potentially after.”

    1. Anonymous5:24 PM

      ... After all, any criticism of DWS is just like criticizing Hillary Clinton ...

      The beyond partisan within DWS DNC is what is turning off people I know in my little spot in the universe. People that were going to vote for Hillary.

      Dangerous Deb may get her way, but that just tells some that the bad old established system is fixed.

      She may as well be a Republican and win like a crook.

    2. Anonymous7:35 PM

      If they want to woo Bernie supporters after Hillary is crowned the nominee they aren't going to be able to do it as long as DWS is in power. She'll need to step down immediately. She might as well do it either during or before the convention to heal the rift that she is hardly innocent of creating.

      So we'll see exactly how presidential Hillary is. If she can tactfully get DWS to step down for the good of the party, fine. If she continues to defend her, then don't blame Bernie if he can't deliver his supporters. They have more than enough justification for giving DWS and the DNC the finger and staying home in November.

    3. Anonymous9:00 PM

      Anonymous7:35 PM

      Every time I read a comment referring to Hillary's "coronation" I just want to tell the commenter a big F.U. If anyone wants to be crowned, it's Sanders.

      He he and his supporters think he should just be able to walk into the Democratic party, tell them they are all wrong, spout some unrealistic vision, and have everyone fall at his feet regardless of how many people acttually voted for him in the primaries.

    4. Anonymous9:14 PM

      Anonymous7:35 PM

      It looks like the Sandernistas have found a new female to disparage. Since it looks like Hillary will get the nomination, she seems to no longer be the epitome of evil. That honor seems to have shifted to DWS, who it seems must now bear the full weight of their misogyny. I noticed it has not shifted to Trump who actually merits their vile.

    5. Anonymous9:49 PM

      Bernie was invited to run on the Dem ticket. Why? Because there was no one else to oppose Hillary. What kind of primary would it be for her to run unopposed? And so he did, took it seriously and used it as an opportunity to get the issues he has fought for his entire life out there and being reported. No one took him seriously until he started winning. No one expected him to win the nomination but no one expected him to do as well as he has done. And the thanks he gets for really making it a horse race is to get bashed right and left. Every insult and accusation that would paint him as the anti-Christ. Misogyny? Really? I think you have him confused with Trump. Bernie is the guy that said to forget about the e-mails; it's a non-issue. Remember that Bernie? The voice of sanity?

      Every time I read some Hillary bootlicker bashing Sanders for trying to keep his issues alive and part of the conversation I want to puke. Sanders ran a great race and has made Hillary work for her "coronation", despite the fact it was a done deal before they started. Concessions have been made to the "runner up" in a primary before. This is nothing new. And yes, Bernie has earned some consideration as he has done better than they expected. He has more political clout than he had going into this.

      And when the bootlickers come to me and order me to vote for Hillary because I *have* to (or I'm an asshole or a fucking child or some other vitriolic insult), I'll be happy to remind them of every insult they've hurled and then tell them to kiss my ass.

    6. Anonymous11:25 PM

      9:49 - don't vote for Hillary. You belong with the powerless St. Bernie of the Purists.

    7. Anonymous11:32 PM

      There is no "coronation" (actual or figurative). I do remember that Bernie. It's a distant memory and I'm beginning wonder if he ever really existed.

      Vote for whomever you want. It's obviously your vote and your decision. Nobody is going to beg for it or kiss your ass. You can feel good about your purity while the rest of us work hard to protect you and your rights from Donald Trump.

  20. Anonymous5:23 PM

    I watch "Ellen" every day when I get home from work, and Hillary was a guest today. She is not asking him to quit whatsoever. She understands the political process; imagine that.

    1. Anonymous7:39 PM

      No, she's not.

      But her buddy Debbie Wasserman Schultz has done nothing but bash Bernie almost from the beginning, just for having the nerve to oppose Hillary in the primary, then refusing to quit. Debbie is Hillary's attack dog. I hardly think DWS would be polarizing the party if Hillary told her to back off.

    2. Anonymous8:08 PM

      Ellen herself said that this is the worst election process she has ever seen and I agree.

      If you want to argue, try another comment.

  21. Anita Winecooler5:49 PM

    Our nest is empty, and I do miss our discussions about politics, world affairs, what's wrong and how do we fix it.... etc. The last election, I was for Obama and my daughter was for Hillary. I thought she was being rebellious and would grow out of it, but now she was for Bernie, but she came around after learning more, the essay on women was the last straw for her, and still she was reluctant to change. Last time we talked, she switched to Hillary, and I wondered why. She said we already know a lot about her, she's got the resume and experience. Sure she's got some flaws, but she's the one who'll continue the good Obama did.

    1. Anonymous11:26 PM

      Good for your daughter!

  22. Anonymous5:53 PM

    I often wonder what President Obama thinks as he bids goodbye while watching this tomfoolery. It is beyond idiotic.

    1. Anonymous9:53 PM

      He's probably glad he never has to go through it ever again.

  23. Anonymous2:24 AM

    We need a fiesta and rump roast. Line up? Hillary and Ladies hosting. Opening with Lisa Lampenelli, wanda sykes, rose barr, ms warren, ms grimes, ms Martinez, ms robinson, ms Anderson, ms smith, ms cruz, ms bush, ms bobbit, ms fox, ms rump, ms sanders, ms ho, ms jo, ms msn ms bc, ms resort, ms irs, ms fec, ms travel, ms vacation, ms faa, ms fcc, ms fbi, ms miss usa miss universe, miss world, and moving along to real men. And? listen carefully, get out get out get out, your fired, don! application denied. nix the fix. How will don treat Americans when his numbers drop to 10%? Will mad max rump gas everyone?

  24. Sanders acts like Hillary won Miss America contest, and he is first runner up hoping she will be disqualified at the Democratic Convention. Someone needs to explain that the primaries were for the Presidency, Hillary won, and there are no runner ups.

    How insultng for Sanders hoping to usurp the power of the voters in all the primary process, still hoping to revolutionize the Democratic Convention at the last minute by repeating his words from the campaign, or all through his 40 years of politics.

    Winners of Presidential Primaries are not expected to share their win, their stage, or their limelight at the nominee and unification convention as preparation for the General Election of President, especially when it is the first woman Presidency on the line. Sanders is either delusional, or seeking a prime spot in the First Woman Presidential Museum wall, should she win the election! Either way, it is insulting, and by the way, sexist, and implies that a woman is not strong enough to win - harming the candidate, and the Democratic Party. Why be such a distraction now?


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