Friday, May 27, 2016

TPM's Josh Marshall finally sees the light, yes Elizabeth Warren SHOULD be Hillary Clinton's VP choice.

Courtesy of Talking Points Memo: 

I wrote recently that I thought Elizabeth Warren would be a great Veep pick but it wouldn't happen because it would add to the burden of retaking the Senate. Massachusetts has a Republican governor. That would mean at least 6 months or so of an additional Republican senator in 2017 - assuming Clinton wins. 

But I'm reconsidering that. In fact, I'm past reconsidering: Hillary should put Warren on the ticket. 

The modern vice presidency - as a political device - is seldom about ideological balance or bringing a critical state into play. As it happens, Warren would be a helpful political balancing both in general and coming off the bruising Clinton v Sanders fight. But the most effective modern Veep picks have been ones that helpfully frame and reinforce the message the person at the top of the ticket embodies. 

Warren is off-the-cuff, free-wheeling and direct in all the ways Clinton is cautious and rehearsed. But it is a reinforcing rather than an invidious contrast and likely helps bring to the surface Hillary's progressive background that has been buried by decades at the pinnacle of Democratic party politics and years as the punching bag of the left of the party which feels excluded by the seemingly endless Clinton ascendency. 

It may sound crazy to attach so much to her recent Twitter contretemps with Donald Trump. But the tone, rhythm and style are exactly what the Democrats need to knock Trump down and bring out his toxic mix of personal insecurity and emotional instability. It's not over-earnest or off-key or droning (traditional Democratic tonalities - let's be honest). She's mocking, substantive and constantly on target. 

Indeed, Trump's responses to Warren, his attacks on her, make it clear to me he'll have a hard time handling her.
You know it's tough being right all of the time.

Personally I think that as events have rolled out that the need for Warren on the ticket have become more and more necessary.

It is becoming overwhelmingly clear that, despite what he says, Sanders is really more interested in pushing his agenda rather than uniting the Democratic party.

And with new revelations about Hillary's e-mail server causing more people to distrust her, there is an argument to be made that she needs somebody on her ticket who is untouched by scandal of any kind and who can bring the Sanders supporters running the minute she is introduced as the running mate.

Try as you might you will find no other person who meets that criteria even half as well as does Elizabeth Warren.


  1. Anonymous2:05 PM

    Crooked Hillary and Pocahontas would be a Trump lock as president.

    Go for it, you couldn't possibly be any dumber.

    1. Anonymous2:20 PM

      Hi, Alicia.

    2. Anonymous3:25 PM

      Millions of feckin voters, each with their own opinion, and you gits think each and everyone of them is Alicia.

      We're not. Deal with it.

    3. Anonymous3:32 PM

      3:25 - Aw, Palin Brigade! How are you & Alicia doing? LOL

    4. Anonymous3:46 PM


      Those trolls post here numerous times daily.

    5. Anonymous5:01 PM

      3:46 - I agree. They live for IM! I recently read that rightwing trolls hit progressive sites trying to evoke fear. Laughter is the best medicine!

    6. Anonymous5:13 PM

      I hope Hillary will ask close fiend John McCain

      Poetic justice of a sort. They do work well together. What a hoot.

      Clinton/McCain 2016


      Trump/Palin 2016

      I love it!

      I see Hill with a man partner but who knows.

    7. Anonymous5:23 PM

      5:13 - "close fiend" - you got that right! LOL at you!

    8. Anonymous6:07 PM

      The Unaccountable Anonymous strikes again.

      The point is that Donald Trump would love nothing more than to be able to refer to them as Crooked Hillary and Pocohontas for the next six months. He will and at the end, he'd win. Because that's how that dirty propaganda works. Get a catchy negative label and hammer it until it sings in people's heads as they stand in the voting booths.

    9. Anonymous6:31 PM

      You mean like Lyin' Orange Trumpy?

  2. imnofred2:18 PM

    She would be a good pick because she seems to have gotten under his skin and could goat him into a pissfight that would make him look worse than he already does.

    1. Anonymous2:49 PM

      Of course, Elizabeth would seal the deal for the Dems in the general election, but why make her sit around on her hands for the next 8 years? She is SO kicking ass and taking names (not just Drumpf) as a Senator.

      Bernie as VP would bring his real Berners for the win, and then he could sit around on his hands for the next 8 years supporting Hillary as the President and Elizabeth in the Senate.

    2. Anonymous3:23 PM

      This is 2:49 and i don't know what i was thinking when i said Bernie would bring his real Berners for the win.

      Real Berners are going to vote for Hillary if she is the candidate in the general election.

      The Drumpf BernieBros are not going to vote for a Democrat. The Hillary BernieBros, of course, will vote for Hillary.

      Maybe it was just wishful stream-of-conscience that we would unite and resoundingly kick Drumpf's ass back to the penthouse of his tower where he belongs.

    3. Anonymous4:28 PM

      3:23 PM

      And the pees down in peeville will all cry, "Boo Hoo Hoo!"

      Apologies to Dr. Seuss.

    4. imnofred4:35 PM

      Anon@2:49. I think Sanders would also be a great VP because he could get most of his supporters to deliver the goods. Unfortunately, don't think it will happen.

    5. Anonymous6:34 PM

      Vice Presidents are supposed to support and work WITH the President. For some reason I can never see Bernie Sanders doing either of those two things.

  3. Uh uh, keep her in the Senate. She's doing a bang-up job now in attacking Trump; she doesn't have to be on the ticket to do it.

  4. Anonymous2:23 PM

    Can you imagine Warren in a debate with whomever Drumpf picks as his veep? For that matter can you imagine Drumpf in a debate with Hillary? I'm licking my chops to watch the ladies take 'em down!


    1. Anonymous2:53 PM

      Trump would be in big trouble if he actually debated either one of these ladies. And, I bet he chickens out against Hillary! This is going to be interesting to watch.

      Trump isn't sharp - just ego driven and a nasty name caller.

      In running for POTUS, he will not get away w/calling Hillary names i.e. 'crooked' etc. He'll lose votes by acting that way!

  5. Anonymous2:38 PM

    Hillary share the spotlight with someone so loved by Dems?
    Never happen.
    Hilldawg needs to worry about not going to fucking prison, after reading the deposition they released, she is in BIG trouble.
    Setting up a private, unsecured server with the possible intent of circumventing the FOIA?
    The person who set up the server had no clearance. None. Zip.
    Why in the world would you ever want someone this deceitful in charge of the country?
    Shady, shady shit.

    1. Anonymous2:55 PM

      No one cares about the e-mails. Hey, why have they kept Jane off the airwaves since Burlington shuttered? Hmmmm. She was everywhere until that happened. And the GOP demanded she be investigated for fraud...Must be in process now!

    2. Anonymous3:17 PM

      The only investigation going on is the one by the FBI, on Hillary. If you think no one cares about the emails, you're deluded. Why would she have a private server set up in her basement? One good, solid reason why.
      She's not spinning out of this one.

    3. Anonymous3:31 PM

      The authorities are investigating Jane Sanders for fraud right now. Hope she likes orange, 3:17!

    4. Anonymous3:37 PM

      Is Jane running for president 3:31?

    5. Anonymous3:49 PM

      Again....why? Why would she have a private email server in her basement?
      One good reason.
      If Jane has done something illegal then she should go to jail. Just like Hillary.

    6. Anonymous4:07 PM

      "No one cares about the e-mails."
      Speak for yourself...
      "Must be in process now!"
      Maybe,and if there is a crime,Jane needs to pay.
      We DO know the FBI is "in process" now on Hillary.She thought when she deleted the emails,that they were gone.
      Not true!
      "The Senate Homeland panel, which is investigating the server and Platte River’s work with it, revealed that Platte River hired Connecticut-company Datto Inc. to back up Clinton's emails in case the server crashed."
      Read more:
      Why do you think the FBI is taking so long? They gotta read all the emails between the State Dept. and Clinton Foundation.

    7. Anonymous4:19 PM

      Jane has done something illegal -

    8. Anonymous5:17 PM


      Be thankful it is only for a campaign season.

    9. Anonymous6:09 PM

      Not to mention that aside from their gender they have nothing in common. Warren holds a lot of Bernie's views about money in politics and financial reform. That would NOT sit well with Hillary.

      They would be an awful match.

    10. Anonymous6:35 PM

      She was convicted? Convicted like Hillary Clinton?

    11. Anonymous8:21 PM

      Yes, Jane has been convicted the same as Hillary, as in NOT AT ALL.

  6. Anonymous2:42 PM

    No one is buying her bullshit anymore, not even Andrea Mitchell. Egregious.

    1. Anonymous2:50 PM

      HRC lies for 13 minutes.

    2. Anonymous2:56 PM

      Andrea Mitchell is a right winger married to Alan Greenspan!

    3. Anonymous2:57 PM

      Andrea Mitchell:" A completely non-credible argument" from Clinton and her staff.

      Chuck Todd:"Never give a straight answer...straight out of the Clinton playback."

      She's lost two of her most loyal sycophants.

    4. Anonymous3:02 PM

      So many rightwing talking points, so little time.

    5. Anonymous3:03 PM

      2:57 - are you serious? Mitchell & Todd are both right wingers! Your smears are hilarious!

    6. Anonymous3:21 PM

      Andrea Mitchel...right wing?!
      Are you smoking crack?

    7. Anonymous3:30 PM

      3:21- have you ever watched her show? She is so right wing. Do you even know who her husband is? You must only watch Fox or sonething.

    8. Anonymous3:42 PM

      Alan Greenspan CREATED MOST OF THIS MESS.
      Andrea Mitchel is a GOP corporate media whore, NOT a journalist in the slightest.

    9. Anonymous3:50 PM

      I love how you people are attacking WHO is reporting and not WHAT they are reporting.
      This email stuff is looking really bad for her.

    10. Anonymous3:52 PM

      Chuck Toad is for the GOP. His 'news' show on Sundays is "Meet the GOP" every week. He doesn't like Clinton, or Sanders , or democrats.
      I see no journalistic values in Mitchell either. She will say whatever everyone else is saying, and since MSNBC became Fox Lite, that is trashing the left.

    11. Anonymous4:19 PM

      3:50 - you're the one who brought Andrea Mitchell as your great source. Too bad you use right wing sourcing! LOL at you!

  7. Anonymous2:43 PM

    I just can't find any evidence that losing Warren in the Senate would be a good thing. The VP slot is too 'mostly ceremonial' for her, in my mind.

    Oh, my fake god, what if she could be on the Supreme Court, soon? That would be worth losing her in the Senate, to me.

    1. Anonymous3:18 PM

      How dare you have a differing opinion from the all knowing Grift!

    2. Anonymous3:44 PM

      And Gov.Charlie Baker(R) gets to appoint a Republican to the US Senate if she leaves for any reason.

    3. Anonymous3:44 PM

      Okay, 3:18... snark or shade on Uncle Gryphen?

      Cuz if it's snark, heehee haha; if it's shade, then i'll have to kick your ass.

      Don't be cuttin' dem eyes at the man who pours his heart into giving us a forum for discussion (politics, religion) and entertainment (paylins).

    4. Anonymous3:53 PM

      What is your problem, 3:18? We get that you hate Hillary, hate Liz Warren, and probably hate your own mother. So vote for the rich white guys who want the rest of your money.

    5. Anonymous4:05 PM

      Wasn't the "all knowing Grift" in San Diego today with the orange orangutan?

      Why yes, yes she was.

    6. Anonymous8:22 PM

      "All knowing Grift" was in San Diego today.

      Now what? They continue to have the veterans and that money to deal with. Also Sarah's eldest son. He is a combat veteran with PTSD and got in a little difficulty, nothing his fault.

      Didn't she get Obama told off in San Diego earlier?

      Now it is time to get the veteran's money. More fundraising.

      A great opportunity has landed in the Trump-Palin lap.

      #ChickenTrump tag: ‘Make America Cluck Again!’

      Just don't ridicule.

  8. Anonymous2:44 PM

    "Sometimes referred to as Pocahontas" -- the only person referring to her like that is Donald J. Trump! So he makes up false and misleading nicknames that he hopes will diminish his opponent, then pretends he's quoting someone else when he uses the slur. What a guy!

    It's like saying that other people are talking about the Clintons being involved in Vince Foster's suicide -- although Trump himself is just quoting others and he knows nothing about it.
    The depths of sleaze. The man doesn't know how to be honest, because he's been a lying brat since he was in second grade and gave his music teacher a black eye. That military school he went to? That was his parents sending him away for some tough love because he was such an uncontrollable monster. He's the same now as he was then.

    1. Anonymous3:04 PM

      I suspect the other people tRump has heard talk about this are named John Miller and John Barron.
      A Clinton/Warren ticket would be unbeatable.

    2. Anonymous3:30 PM

      I can't help but wonder which parent The Donald is most like? He didn't fall far from one of their trees that is for sure!

      He is truly nothing more than an obese pompous ass!

    3. Anonymous3:55 PM

      I think Daddy, who hung out with the Nazis. And Trump is NOT a Wharton grad. He went to Penn, but only as an undergrad, in some program aimed Wharton. He never attended the famous business school. He is a fraud down to his toes.

    4. Anonymous4:22 PM

      3:55 His 'tiny' toes.

    5. Anonymous4:24 PM

      NO one was 'talking' about Vince Foster other than Don the Con. It's his go-to trick for his lies and slander.

    6. Anonymous5:21 PM

      It is better than Orange Teeny Hands co-grifting pal's 'Sambo beats the bitch" or was that Track?

    7. Anonymous6:14 PM

      It's how he works. Plausible deniability.

      He uses it all the time to lie and insult but distance himself.

      He's using the same trick with the Vince Foster murder accusations. He's heard. Some people say. All the same distancing tricks to hammer your point but remain blameless if accused.

      Calling Kaiser Drumpf an asshole is an insult to a functioning necessary body part.

    8. Anonymous7:03 PM

      I'm working on getting some good nicknames for Donald Trump for the Clinton Campaign to use. I like the "Don the Con" from 4:24 and "Dishonest Don" from 2:44.

    9. Anonymous11:18 PM

      Looking forward to seeing your list, 7:03. Although, I imagine the Clinton campaign won't go low in public with nasty nicknames.

      I have no problem firing out derisive missives!

      How about...

      Ding Don


      Humpty Trumpty

      sociopathic shithead

  9. Anonymous2:50 PM

    I've been on this blog for a few weeks now pushing the Clinton/Warren ticket! Don't think the Republicans could compete against their ticket - due to their combined knowledge, experience things you pointed out, Gryphen.

    I so hope Hillary picks her! It would be a win/win!

  10. Anonymous2:52 PM

    Why would Warren even consider it? She has much more influence in the Senate.

    1. No she does not have more influence in the Senate, you are thinking of the old definition for a Vice President, Dick Cheney and Joe Biden broke that mold.

      Besides surely Warren would have some demands before agreeing to take the position, and undoubtedly one of those would be that Hillary focus on Wall Street reform, an issue that Warren could push with far more influence in the VP slot.

      I am actually beginning to think that those suggesting that Warren is more useful in the Senate are trolls who are terrified of her as Hillary's VP.

    2. Anonymous3:01 PM

      Because she'd be the first female VP elected in US history? Just a guess.

    3. Anonymous3:16 PM

      Make up your mind, Grift. Either we are going to come running because she's VP or we're terrified of it.

      Or are you just covering all the bases so you can continue to spout that arrogant horse shit about you being right all the time?

      I think the Palin fam has rubbed off on you. You've turned in to a know it all asshat.


    4. Anonymous3:24 PM

      "Besides surely Warren would have some demands before agreeing to take the position, and undoubtedly one of those would be that Hillary focus on Wall Street reform, an issue that Warren could push with far more influence in the VP slot."
      That's laughable.
      Do you think for a second that the people on the following list are gonna go for Warren?
      I totally dig Warren and on principle alone she won't run with Hillary.

    5. Anonymous3:27 PM

      I actually think she would go for it. Keys to the kingdom and power do weird things to people.

    6. Anonymous3:28 PM

      Warren praised HRC for President in 2014 & praised Hillary's Wall Street plans in Dec. 2015. Google it! Warren is in for Clinton!

    7. Anonymous3:50 PM

      Uncle Gryphen, i am not a troll. It does hurt my feefees that it angers you when i talk about Warren accomplishing more as Senator than Joe Biden did as VP.

      My IP might suggest i bounce around the country, but i always start my day with IM regardless of where in the world i am that morning.

    8. Anonymous4:10 PM

      3:16 PM - since when has Gryph said he's right all the time? He's not; it's his blog, he states his opinions and allows us ours.

      As for "grift," you've got the wrong Alaskan and gender, although I must say $arah's looking more like Caitlyn Jenner every day.

    9. Anonymous5:24 PM

      4:10, try reading the post.

    10. Anonymous6:17 PM

      Wall St reform, financial reform, campaign finance reform, etc. would all be dealbreakers. Hillary would never agree to it and Warren wouldn't give up her current position unless there was a guarantee in place. Hillary and Warren are political opposites and would not work well together.

      THAT is why Warren will not be VP.

      And she doesn't have to be VP to attack Trump.

  11. Anonymous3:16 PM

    Trump hides behind name calling and insults. He is an incredibly insecure and childish person.

    1. Anonymous3:25 PM

      Hahaa. Look in the mirror?

    2. Anonymous4:03 PM

      You first, 3:25 PM.

    3. Anonymous6:29 PM

      3:25 PM's mirror broke.

    4. Anonymous7:10 PM

      3:25, who pissed in your Cheerios this morning or are you just generally an everyday all day long asshole?

  12. Anonymous3:41 PM

    I disagree.Warren is a force in the Senate.She has clearly gotten to tRump.What can she do as VP that she isn't doing now? She will have more influence where she is.She can still go out and campaign for Hillary. She can still rattle tRump.It is imperative the Democrats regain the Senate.With her gone it is one more seat in question.

    1. Anonymous4:16 PM

      Warren is doing just fine where she's at. Is she ever under Trump's skin.

      That's the thing about tRump; he IS immature, and why honestly debate issues when one can attach a derogatory slur in front of a name to put it in the minds of people? A cowardly bully is he.

      The pee pond was swooning all over his energy speech yesterday. "It sounded just like $arah wrote it." Gee, ya think?

  13. Anonymous3:56 PM

    Hillary would decimate Trump in a debate. His middle school antics may impress the witless he has pulled out of the woodwork, but thinking folks see right through his charade.

    1. Anonymous6:28 PM

      Sarah Palin is already defecating Trump and it is not yet a veterans federal holiday.

  14. Anonymous4:01 PM

    Gryphen, I know you'll soon be posting Palin's egregious comments at a Trump rally in San Diego.

    I just want to say that, looking at Palin, 52, and Warren, who will be 67 in a few weeks, we can see that the Senator's intelligence, good humor, and good genes make her look younger than Palin, and better looking at any age.

    btw -- I live in Massachusetts where we have a dreadful Republican governor right now, Charlie Baker. If you thought Scott Brown was terrible when he took Teddy Kennedy's seat, I'm sure the Mass. GOP will come up with someone just as lame if Warren leaves her Senate seat. What kind of victory would it be if Warren is VP but the Republicans hold onto the Senate majority by one vote?

    1. Anonymous4:20 PM

      Also, it's difficult enough to gather the votes to elect the first female POTUS. Imagine asking the electorate to elect two women. Wonderful Senator Warren is sorely needed in Congress.

    2. Anonymous6:36 PM

      Yeah, we've never had a president and VP of the same gender before /snark

  15. Anonymous4:12 PM

    Shoulda, woulda, coulda... it will be up to Hillary.

    1. Anonymous4:33 PM

      Yes, it will. Hers to lose.

    2. Anonymous4:58 PM

      Can you say Madam President? Millions of us can!

  16. Anonymous4:20 PM

    See the light... this is who must be Trump's veep

    ... today in San Diego! Todd, Piper, Trig & I are in awe of the amazing, honorable vets here supporting Trump.

    Trump looks so short next to the little guy. Little guy has such yuuuge hands next to Trump's weenie thumb and teeny hand.

    1. Anonymous4:57 PM

      Is Sarah Goosing dRumpf in that 1st pic? She must have left one Boob in the Hair box.

    2. Anonymous5:37 PM

      Uh. Someone please explain the khaki suit rules to the Toddster: AFTER Memorial Day, not before ; - )

    3. Anonymous6:25 PM

      I am glad Todd wore that ill fitting cheap suit. It makes him look short and dumpy.

      He is standing by Donald. How tall is Donald. I think Todd is 5'5.

  17. Anita Winecooler4:42 PM

    I hope Hillary DOES consider Warren as her VP pick. Liz is quick, smart and knows how to play cat and mouse with a man whose heard her referred to as Pocahontas (a symptom of mental illness, is putting something out there then citing it as something he heard).
    I just think Hillary and Liz complement each other in a good way.

    1. Anonymous4:59 PM

      Ha. Go for it, it will go down as an even worse political gamble than Palin was.

    2. Anonymous5:21 PM

      4:59 - at least the Democrats run women who actually have college degrees and high IQ's, unlike the Palin fiasco.

    3. Anonymous5:41 PM

      I would rather see a E. Warren bikini calendar before a S. Palin any day. GOP judge women by beauty contest standards, not education or smarts.

      Just saying E. wins in every way. Not that she goes there with GOP calendar standards.

    4. Anonymous8:09 PM

      She looks like a 10+ in a bikini.

      What a woman, also, too, holding her man when he takes a dump. A Trump Dump.

  18. Anonymous5:17 PM

    Uh, Gryph? Out came Palin.....sorry it's from the blowhard Sheppard. Trig the prop is out again. She's serious.

  19. Anonymous5:48 PM

    Trump has a boner for Elizabeth Warren. She must be the intelligent type that use to reject his ass back in the day. He seems to have a bone to pick with smart women. He wants them to stand behind them with botoxed lips and designer clothes and keep their damn mouths shut. Have fun with that Trumpy.

    1. Anonymous6:26 PM

      Yea, Orange Trumpy would have a difficult time with the smart Elizabeth Warren.

  20. Anonymous6:24 PM

    That's from Josh Marshall? Wow! That's just wow!

  21. Anonymous8:34 PM

    Love Liz Warren, but I want Sherrod Brown as VP pick.


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