Thursday, June 09, 2016

Even Wikipedia gets it why can't Bernie Sanders?

Bottom right hand corner for those just waking up.


  1. Anonymous2:55 AM

    I agree with this liberal.

  2. Math 101:

    If you get less than half (45%) of one thing, and add to it less than half of another thing (7%), you cannot exceed half of the new, bigger thing.

    If you get less than half of one thing (45%), then manage to somehow also get 45% of a second thing, you cannot exceed half of the new, bigger thing.

    If you get less than half of one thing (45%), and someone splits a second thing with you 50/50 because ... whatever, you still cannot exceed half of the new, bigger thing.

    Sanders: 2383-1804=579 needed to win
    Clinton: 2383-2184=199 needed to win

    Bernie asks for A Bridge Too Far - in addition to his 48 supers plus assuming ALL 96 undeclared go for him, Sanders would need 435 of Clinton's 571 supers (76.18%) to just suddenly decide to vote for the guy who could not even get 46% of the vote.

    Oh, it's a steep climb alright, like 89 degrees.

    It is in a realm of probability that is so remote, it borders on impossibility.

    And therefore, characterizing this as Sanders having "No path to nomination" is effectively accurate.

    (NOTE: The math above does not include 20 delegate allocations from DC, and also 43 delegates from other races that haven't gotten 'on the books' as it were, but likely will be allocated at the same proportions as above, so the likelihood of that changing anything either way by more than 0.5% is pretty much zero).

    1. Anonymous4:10 AM

      In the Lester Holt interview, Sanders admitted that he is defying the will of the voters (Gryph had a post about it) but "defying history is what this campaign has been about." In my book, that reads "asshole."

    2. Anonymous4:41 AM

      Plus I think at least one of Bernie's super delegates has already stated he was backing Clinton.

    3. Anonymous6:47 AM

      Yes. Merkley of OR has already flipped back to HRC

  3. Anonymous4:05 AM

    The same article makes clear that Hillary does not currently have enough pledged delegates to take the nomination outright, and the supers do not vote until the convention.

    That's why her box still says "presumptive nominee."

    The DNC made the rules, so that's the way it is. Deal with it.

    Bernie can run his campaign any way he chooses. If you don't like it, and to quote Hillary as she dismissively responded to a Black protester,"Why don't YOU run for something?"

    1. Anonymous5:09 AM

      Even Joe Biden said, "let him decide on his own" whether or not to bow out.

    2. Anonymous4:55 PM

      In both parties, 'presumptive nominee' is the correct description of the leading individual until each party's convention is held. Official nominee for POTUS happens then at the convention votes/names/nominates.


  4. Anonymous4:06 AM

    Sadly Bernie really isn't a Democrat as Trump isn't really a Republican. Bernie and Trump are both ego driven and the end result of both of these mens campaigns is the ugly unsatisfied undirected masses which shall remain.

  5. Anonymous4:13 AM

    As a supporter of (most of) Sanders' agenda, I readily admit I have no idea WTF he thinks he's accomplishing. I replaced my Sanders sticker with a Hilary sticker a month and a half ago - it's overdue for Sanders to do the same. His current conduct is embarrassing and counterproductive. People are not considering the merits of his agenda while they're shouting, "Go home, you crazy old coot."

  6. Anonymous4:56 AM

    Sen. Sanders attended college back in the early sixties, when "New Math" was in vogue. He seems to have failed to correct this deficit in his education.

    1. I'd hate to try to calculate this out using Common Core math ...

  7. Anonymous6:14 AM

    Can someone tell Susan Sarandon she can stop sucking Bernie's old shriveled up dick. He's not going to be president and make her Secretary of State.

    1. Anonymous6:49 AM

      She's 70, has $50 million, & is always the kiss of death for any campaign.

  8. Connie6:22 AM

    This is the USA where old white guys have done what they want for over 200 years. Bernie will do what he wants, screw the rest of the country. It is based on historical precedent.

    Revolution? Bring on the women. Let's show the USA how work gets done.

  9. Anonymous7:05 AM

    It’s not about Sanders winning the nomination, this is a about a long-term goal and vision for fundamental and needed change in the country away from corporate and corrupt crony capitalism that controls both parties in Washington and does NOT serve the interests of voters.

    Sanders and his 10 million (mostly young) voters are trying to reform the current establishment, corrupt Democratic party and move it away from the moneyed interests, represented by the Clinton wing and people like Debbie W Shultz and Conn. Governor Malloy, back to its progressive roots when it was the party of working people.

    Sanders is now about shaping the Democratic platform for the benefit of working Americans –away from the hands of DWS, Malloy and the other corporate-owned Democrats.

    Robert Reich, a former Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton, wrote a note of thanks to Sanders on Wednesday that sums up the situation:

    'We Will Never Give Up': A Note of Thanks to Bernie Sanders

    'Your courage in taking on the political establishment has emboldened millions of us to stand up and demand our voices be heard.'
    Robert Reich

    “Dear Bernie,

    I don’t know what you’re going to do from here on, and I’m not going to advise you. You've earned the right to figure out the next steps for your campaign and the movement you have launched.

    But let me tell you this: You’ve already succeeded.

    At the start they labeled you a “fringe” candidate – a 74-year-old, political Independent, Jewish, self-described democratic socialist, who stood zero chance against the Democratic political establishment, the mainstream media, and the moneyed interests.

    Then you won 22 states.

    And in almost every state – even in those you lost -- you won vast majorities of voters under 30, including a majority of young women and Latinos. And most voters under 45.

    You have helped shape the next generation.

    You’ve done it without SuperPACs or big money from corporations, Wall Street, and billionaires. You did it with small contributions from millions of us. You've shown it can be done without selling your soul or compromising your conviction.

    You’ve also inspired millions of us to get involved in politics -- and to fight the most important and basic of all fights on which all else depends: to reclaim our economy and democracy from the moneyed interests.

    Your message – about the necessity of single-payer healthcare, free tuition at public universities, a $15 minimum wage, busting up the biggest Wall Street banks, taxing the financial speculation, expanding Social Security, imposing a tax on carbon, and getting big money out of politics – will shape the progressive agenda from here on.

    Your courage in taking on the political establishment has emboldened millions of us to stand up and demand our voices be heard.

    Regardless of what you decide to do now, you have ignited a movement that will fight onward. We will fight to put more progressives into the House and Senate. We will fight at the state level. We will organize for the 2020 presidential election.

    We will not succumb to cynicism. We are in it for the long haul. We will never give up.

    Thank you, Bernie.


    1. "It’s not about Sanders winning the nomination": That's as may be and the rest you wrote may well be true, but until he concedes the nomination, he is ACTING like it's about the nomination, which is as has been demonstrated is to all intents and purposes impossible for him to do at this point.

      There is zero reason to waste the time between now and the convention pretending Bernie has a chance. There is a case to be made that anyone donating to his campaign instead of the presumptive nominee's is wasting their money.

      Bernie can go do all those things to help the cause without a single $ more from your wallet and without having to wait for it to be officially officially official that he is not the Dem. party nominee.

      Yes, thank you Bernie, and I mean it, not snark, for what issues you have brought to the forefront. But I hope you see how the optics of this look - a guy by the name of Don Quixote springs to mind and while I like people who believe in causes, I'm positive I don't want a president who will ignore reality just to continue to chase that cause - "no matter how hopeless, no matter how far" is not a good basis for either foreign or domestic policy, despite how "heavenly" the cause might be.

      (Guess I'd better mention quotes are from the song "The Impossible Dream" from "The Man of La Mancha". True though, listening to Robert Goulet sing it does often send goosebumps down ones' spine).

    2. Anonymous10:38 AM

      Brian Stokes Mitchell has always been my personal fave. Regardless, a classic show with classic songs.

  10. I am hoping that he - and Warren - will bring in more progressives and Democrats into Congress on the national and even state levels. If things are going to improve we need to dislodge the teabaggers and Koch conservatives.

  11. Anita Winecooler4:46 PM

    I've been for Hillary all along, others in my family, not so much and they were scratching their heads over what he was thinking.
    I think he wanted a bit of recognition for what he did achieve, because when you really look at both candidates, there isn't much daylight on the what they want to do, just the how.
    I think he was extremely magnanimous after visiting the White House and speaking to the President. He said he looked forward to helping beat Trump. I admired Hillary when she saw the writing on the wall, it was more than graceful of her to ask her followers to join President Obama. The faster she got that out of the way, the faster he could move forward and hit the ground running. She cared for the people AND for the party itself. I don't see the point of taking the campaign to the DNC floor, we'd be in worse shape than the GOP.

    1. Anonymous5:42 PM

      @4:46 pm
      My feelings too, thank you for your comment.


  12. As I recall, when Barack Obama came on the national scene and rumors of a presidential run were whispered, Republicans pushed Colin Powell as the overly qualified black candidate to vote for die to his years of government experience,but more particularly because he'd been Secretary of State. "If Americans want a black president, it should be Colin Powell."

    Think of it. Colin Powell, who in spite of his own knowledge of facts went to Congress and the American people with a bald faced lie about WMA so that the military industrial machine could go critical mass in the USA. Colin Powell, SoS on 9/11/01.

    How does that compare with deleting junk mail? Such hypocrisy.


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