Wednesday, June 15, 2016

The GOP's latest latest attempt to fear monger over the recent "Islamic terrorist attack" falls apart as evidence surfaces that the attacker was most likely a self loathing gay man.

Omar Mateen
Okay so as we know Donald Trump and the GOP have been having a field day with this recent mass shooting at that Florida nightclub, suggesting that it is indicate of President Obama's pathetic attempts to keep us safe from Islamic terrorists.
However recently the meme has started to crumble.

Courtesy of the Daily Mail:

Omar Mateen, the gunman who murdered 49 people in an Orlando gay club early Sunday morning, was a gay man himself according to multiple people who knew and had met the man. 

A gay man who attended the police academy in 2006 with Mateen said that the pair went out to gay bars and that at one point Mateen told the man he wanted to pursue a relationship. 

Meanwhile, multiple people are now coming forward to say that they had spoken with Mateen on gay hookup apps including Grindr and Jack'd. 

The attack, which many assumed was an act of Islamic extremism, now appears to possibly be tied to Mateen's own shame over his sexuality and investigators are now looking into this internal conflict as a possibly motive. 

The shooter's father, Seddique Mateen, made his beliefs on gay people very clear in a video he posted to Facebook on Monday saying 'homosexuals will be punished by God.' 

While early news reports seemed to focus on Mateen's ties to Islamic groups, that almost seems like an afterthought in light of new evidence which  suggests that Mateen was a regular at the Pulse nightclub.

What appears to be emerging is a picture of a man torn between his desire to be loved and the religion which condemned him, and those like him, to death.

Salon makes this rather important point as to why this attack may not serve the Republicans as well as they might hope:

After all, it’s not just fundamentalist Islam that is anti-gay. Fundamentalist Christianity is, too, and if anti-gay religious teachings can cause a Muslim to reach for his gun, they can surely do the same to a Christian. Indeed, hate crimes against LGBT people are common in this country, and most of them are not being committed by Muslims. 

All of which, in turn, is going to make it a lot harder for conservatives to demagogue against gay rights to rally the troops. If this is a homophobic crime, then it’s a testament to how anti-gay rhetoric can inspire horrific violence. Conservatives are still smarting over how the racist church shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, resulted in the nation turning against those who fly the Confederate flag. There can be little doubt that this crime will lead to a similar darkening of attitudes against those who persist in spewing prejudice against LGBT Americans. 

So quite a lot of evidence suggests that Omar Mateen did not go into that nightclub on behalf of ISIS, he went into that nightclub to punish those within for feeling free to embrace who they were without shame.

Something he was clearly incapable of doing. 

That is NOT Islamic terrorism, if anything it is something even more disturbing. 

59 comments:

  1. Randall2:05 PM

    Why don't we all face it and call it all what it really IS:
    RELIGIOUS terrorism

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    1. Anonymous2:39 PM

      Bravo Randall!

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    2. Anonymous2:46 PM

      TOTALLY!!!!!! You'll never see an Athiest kill because some book or belief told him so.

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    3. Anonymous3:00 PM

      It wasn't, 2:05 PM! His father was trying to cover up the fact his son was gay!

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    4. Precisely. Christianist, Islamist. Same thing. Punishment for the unbelievers in the name of their gods. Sick.

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    5. Anonymous3:42 PM

      +100000

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    6. Anonymous3:48 PM

      3:00 his father may be the reason>>>>>
      The guy was messed up....

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    7. Anonymous6:43 PM

      I'll go with religious child abuse, this man was raised to hate himself all in the name of his parents god.

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  2. Zhickel2:15 PM

    Comprehensive article by a well known Aussie journalist here, aggregating all that is known about Mateen at this time:

    "Given that investigators have yet to come up with answers, some might have leapt on the Mateen story earlier than they sensibly should have. In claiming responsibility for Sunday's attack, IS will be acutely embarrassed if the emerging story of Mateen's homosexuality becomes the dominant narrative."

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-political-extremist-or-repressed-homosexual-20160615-gpjooz.html

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  3. Anonymous2:28 PM

    Self loathing gay man, isn't that typical of many Republicans?

    One of Trump's self loathing bros...
    Anti-Gay Rhetoric, Hate-Blogger Jim Hoft Announces
    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46033_After_Many_Years_of_Ugly_Anti-Gay_Rhetoric_Hate-Blogger_Jim_Hoft_Announces_Hes_Gay

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    1. Same ole, same ole... when will they learn kindness, humility, forgiveness for the Other? Certainly not in their churches. Religion breeds so much, well, unhappiness. Wouldn't give it house room, much less brain room.

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  4. Anonymous2:41 PM

    Republicans never get a break

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  5. 66gardeners2:48 PM

    Today at his rally Trump said

    "This is too touch to do it alone, but I'm going to be forced to."


    "Be quiet, just please be quiet, don't talk, please be quiet, just be quiet, tell the leaders, because they have to get tougher". He further instructed republicans to either stick together (with him) or just let him do this by himself.

    Translation: "me, me, me, me, me" This is ALL about me!

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    1. Anonymous3:47 PM

      I really do think Trump is one sick individual! Mentally off! Wonder if he is on medication for it? Sure would love to hear his doctors talk about him! Bet he wouldn't like hearing what they say behind his back!

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    2. Anonymous4:26 PM

      Yeah, I just posted on this below--sorry, I hadn't scrolled up (when will I learn!). Instead of doing anything to unify the party in a way that works, he just thinks all the GOP should bow to him--he calls them doing everything he wants unifying. Today he did his martyr thing. It was pretty wild seeing this. Wow, he is more of a narcissist that ever!

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  6. Anonymous2:49 PM

    Remember waylast week when this was all about the Trump University lawsuit and things were going smoothly for his campaign? Seems like a lifetime ago.

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    1. Anonymous4:31 PM

      Although, funny enough, he's dealing with a law suit against the chef--Jose Andres--who, after Trump insulted all Hispanics, refused to cook in his new hotel in DC. Trump was all for suing the guy and taking him to court but now says he's too busy b/c of the campaign. This started just a few months ago. The campaign was well under way and Trump just couldn't resist punishing the chef. Now he has to deal w/ an untimely bunch of court appearances.

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  7. Anonymous2:52 PM

    <This Talking points Memo<<<<< Sounds like SPee & dRump

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  8. Anonymous2:57 PM

    My thoughts were the same when it became clear he was gay. So sad to have a father who was so adamantly anti-gay too. It astounds me to think how long LGBT people have been marginalized and their civil rights abused in our supposedly “free” and “fair” society.

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    1. So to make his father proud of him, he kills and maims over 100 people. Sound familiar? Only for Bush II, it was 100,000 and the destabilization of an entire region.

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    2. Anonymous4:16 PM

      Darn straight, Barbara!
      9/11 also on his watch.
      Rat bastard!

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  9. Anonymous2:58 PM

    I watched the 'press conference' the young man's father had and it was pathetic.

    It was so apparent he didn't want his son to be known as the killer who was 'gay'! He kept trying to push the ISIS connection to his son!

    His father was 'over the top' as far as I was concerned and I knew right off the bat he was lying and trying to connect his son to ISIS! Amazing a father would publicize himself in that manner!

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    1. Anonymous3:03 PM

      Somebody should ask him if his feeling were so strong, why he went ahead and a son who turned out to be gay.

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    2. Anonymous3:09 PM

      I saw him. I can believe he is a CIA asset. Not that unusual for someone like him.

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    3. Anonymous3:17 PM

      The father never mentions his grandson. You would think he would be proud and want to point out that Omar could not be gay. He was married and had a child.

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    4. Anonymous4:13 PM

      It is said that the wife is now living at his house. I'd like to know, when she KNEW it wrong, why she didn't alert authorities.

      As far as I'm concerned, she's an accomplice. There are such things as anonymous tips.

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    5. Balzafiar6:13 PM

      @3:17PM "...want to point out that Omar could not be gay. He was married and had a child."

      Could not be gay because he was married? Are you serious? Do you really believe that? If so I sure hate to burst your belief bubble by telling you that many, many married men in all walks of life enjoy a sexual encounter with another man on a fairly frequent basis.

      Really, you say? Yes, really; it's just a part of being human.

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  10. Anonymous3:00 PM

    Here's a 'just discovered' clip featuring Omar Mateen while hired as a security guard during the B.P. oil spill.
    https://youtu.be/ExIhb5GEqWA

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    1. Anonymous6:23 PM

      He was able to work. He had a job, that is better than some other domestic terrorists from the USA.

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    2. Anonymous3:05 AM

      domestic terrorists like any and all Palins

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  11. Anonymous3:01 PM

    So ISIS is going to claim responsibility for a man known world wide with homosexual conflict? Same man says he has allegiance to ISIS?
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b9/5d/f4/b95df4ab6139a24291c2451186a68d48.jpg

    Over on patheos they will clear all this up.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b9/5d/f4/b95df4ab6139a24291c2451186a68d48.jpg

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  12. Anonymous3:27 PM

    Trump hates everyone -

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/donald_trump_not_just_a_bigot_toward_muslims.html

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  13. Anonymous3:40 PM

    Perhaps he was doing cya and using Isis as a cover. Perhaps his family will too.

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  14. Anonymous3:46 PM

    Mateen did this>
    http://perezhilton.com/2016-06-15-orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-donated-blood-before-attack#.V2HoP1eMvWU

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  15. Anonymous3:47 PM

    Hey IM'ers, we represented in Atlanta today. About 400 protesters, mostly peaceful awesome group. Politely closed the road for a bit. Favorite part was gay Muslim holding speaker for black woman leading us in song. That's my America!

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    1. Anonymous3:06 AM

      all true American patriots. Thank you.

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  16. Anonymous3:48 PM

    I think this massacre at the night club is forcing many Christians to re-evaluate their own prejudices toward the LGBT community. It's got to be very uncomfortable for some Christians to find out they have the same out dated ideas about Homosexuality that radical Muslims have. I hope they feel sick!

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    1. Anonymous4:11 PM

      Not from what I've seen on RWNJ sites; c4p and TRS especially.

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    2. Anonymous6:27 PM

      GOPer Apologizes To LGBT Community At Orlando Vigil: 'My Heart Has Changed' (VIDEO)

      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/spencer-cox-lgbt-orlando-vigil

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    3. Anonymous6:58 PM

      It must be very difficult for them to decide who they hate the most - Muslims or people who are LGBT.

      Such a dilemma!

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    4. Anonymous8:03 PM

      Christians are terrible too, but Muslims may be worse. Any of them and all of them need to be brought into the 21st century and stop the brain bleed that religion causes, the fairy tales must stop until our society can be sane and whole.

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    5. Anonymous8:58 PM

      Fuck you.

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  17. Anonymous3:58 PM

    "I suffered from persecution and although I would never commit violence I have met many gay Afghans in America as well as inside Afghanistan who said they would take their own life if it was known that they were gay." -- Writer Nemat Sadat.

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  18. More disturbing alright.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/father-of-orlando-shooter-is-long-time-cia-asset/5531068

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    1. Anonymous4:50 PM

      He fits the profile of others like him. The Boston bombers had an Uncle and many connections. Who know what it is about. Sure is nuts.

      It may just mean they are bad parents.

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RNqeDd5dNOQ/Vp-TOXcijCI/AAAAAAAAQEE/rT_6AlUUK8E/s1600/donald-trump-sarah-palin.jpg

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    2. Anonymous5:06 PM

      OC Congressmen Downplay Meeting With Gunman’s Dad
      http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/oc-congressmen-downplay-past-meetings-with-gunmans-dad/

      Maybe the guy is Zelig.
      http://www.madcowprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/13435295_1013635058691305_3013524431507864993_n.jpg

      He is an activist.
      http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/10849975_734268386650696_7722390856586466906_n.jpg

      Seddique Mateen has his own television show.

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    3. Anonymous7:05 PM

      I agree there is something "fishy" with the father, a reporter that interviewed him said he had his own agenda and didn't want to answer the questions.

      However remember during the Soviet–Afghan War December 24, 1979 – February 15, 1989, the Taliban were our "friends", we were sending them arms against the evil empire, maybe that is where the connection with the CIA comes in, if it is true.

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    4. Anonymous7:09 PM

      I agree there is something "fishy" with the father, a reporter that interviewed him said he had his own agenda and didn't want to answer the questions.

      However remember during the Soviet–Afghan War December 24, 1979 – February 15, 1989, the Taliban was our "friend", we were sending them arms against the evil empire, maybe that is where the connection with the CIA comes in, if it is true.

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  19. Anonymous4:55 PM

    Noticed that sometimes the amount of gratuitous anti gay rhetoric espoused = self loathing gay, particularly with men of a certain age.

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  20. Anita Winecooler5:25 PM

    I'm so glad this post was written, yesterday on cnn one of the reporters made it sound like all gay people are self loathing. Turns out he's a domestic terrorist, born in Queens NY, just like Trump.

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  21. Anonymous7:18 PM

    I listened to some of the press conference on CNN this afternoon. From what I heard, it seems to me that he was a gay man who hated himself because of his religious background and his father's loathing for the LGBT community.

    Apparently, he, at various times, claimed support, not just for ISIL, but for four different rival Islamic organizations.

    Rather than being a genuine radical Islamic terrorist act, it seemed to be more the actions of a deeply disturbed and angry man desperate to prove his worthiness to his religion and to his father.

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  22. Anonymous7:18 PM

    OT: Clean up>
    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/sexual-misconduct-probe-forces-oakland-to-go-through-three-police-chiefs-in-a-week/

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  23. Anonymous7:25 PM

    This is another example of why the president and Hillary chose their words wisely and did not jump on the "radical Islam" bandwagon. I am sure they had more facts than the media.

    Trump on the other hand acted like a hysterical crazy person, someone we do not need in a crisis. He makes decisions before the facts are gathered or decides to ignore the fact to pursue his agenda, which is to destroy America.

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    1. 66gardeners3:16 AM

      Trump does not have the power to destroy America. He clearly does have the power to destroy the GOP. A very worthy endeavor, if you ask me. Pass the popcorn.

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    2. Anonymous8:28 AM

      dRump wants to make ANY crisis about HIMself. So he can get "others" to fix it. He Knows.

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  24. Anonymous7:59 PM

    Even if the terrorist was a self-hating gay man, the fact remains, religion played a large part in his not being able to accept his sexuality, and religion, above all other causes, has killed more people and harmed more in this world than any other.

    Religion is dangerous and our eyes need to be focused on religious people and the terrible things they do.

    Unfortunately we can't round them up and label them but you can know who in your town or city attend a church, any church, and keep an eye on these people and never let your guard down because they would happily cause harm to those who don't share their fairy tale of choice.

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  25. Anonymous8:55 PM

    EXACTLY, religion.

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  26. Anonymous4:25 AM

    Sadly, the uneducated majority of Murikans will only hear his foreign name and the original propaganda of IS supporter........

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  27. Anonymous8:24 AM

    This was a "Bias motivated crime" = HATE Crime.
    170 MASS Murders so far this year 2016

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