Monday, October 10, 2016

About those new hacked e-mails about Hillary Clinton's speeches released by Wikileaks. Ho and hum.

Courtesy of ABC News: 

The leaks were the result of another email hacking intended to influence the presidential election. 

Excerpts of the speeches given in the years before her 2016 presidential campaign included some blunt and unguarded remarks to her private audiences, which collectively had paid her at least $26.1 million in speaking fees. Clinton had refused to release transcripts of the speeches, despite repeated calls to do so by her primary opponent, Sen. Bernie Sanders. 

The excerpts were included in emails exchanged among her political staff, including Campaign Chairman John Podesta, whose email account was hacked. The WikiLeaks organization posted what it said were thousands of Podesta's emails. It wasn't immediately clear who had hacked Podesta's emails, though the breach appeared to cover years of messages, some sent as recently as last month.

Some of the e-mails it seems dealt with concerns about how portions of Hillary's speeches might be received by the public if they were made public.

Here are some of the portions that concerned the campaing:

One excerpt put Clinton squarely in the free-trade camp, a position she has retreated on significantly during the 2016 election. In a talk to a Brazilian bank in 2013, she said her "dream" is "a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders" and asked her audience to think of what doubling American trade with Latin America "would mean for everybody in this room."

I don't think that anybody would be too surprised by this.

After all though Hillary is now opposing TPP, she does NOT oppose trade deals in general.

Courtesy of Politico: 

Jeffrey Schott, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, agreed that nothing in the excerpts “seems inconsistent with her positions on trade today.” 

“As I understand her position, she is against TPP in its current form but is open to moving forward with TPP if it is restructured in some way,” Schott added. “The No. 1 issue that is cited as part of the fix for TPP is provisions that prohibit currency manipulation.” 

Like I said, nothing burger.

Moving on:

"Running for office in our country takes a lot of money, and candidates have to go out and raise it," Clinton said. "New York is probably the leading site for contributions for fundraising for candidates on both sides of the aisle, and it's also our economic center. And there are a lot of people here who should ask some tough questions before handing over campaign contributions to people who were really playing chicken with our whole economy." 

In the same speech, Clinton was also deferential to the New York finance industry, exhorting wealthy donors to use their political clout for patriotic rather than personal benefit. She also spoke of the need to include Wall Street perspectives in financial reform. 

"The people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry," Clinton said.

Now if this were coming from Bernie Sanders, who ran a fairly anti-Wall Street campaign, then I think people might be legitimately scandalized.

But Hillary Clinton was never anti-Wall Street, she was just in agreement that it needed serious reform, which thanks to President Obama and Elizabeth Warren is now being addressed aggressively.


In an April 2013 speech to the National Multifamily Housing Council, Clinton said politicians must balance "both a public and a private position" while making deals. Clinton gave an example from the movie "Lincoln," and the deal-making that went into passage of the 13th Amendment, a process she compared to sausage-making. 

"It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be," Clinton said. "But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position."

Okay if you are surprised, or upset by this admission then you REALLY don't understand how politics works in this country.

EVERY politician has a public persona they present when being interviewed by the press or interacting with their constituents.

In 2008 President Obama stated in interviews that he did not support same sex marriage, and yet has been one of the leading advocates for making it legal in America.

Was he really against is?

Probably not.

Could he have been elected if he had said he was for same sex marriage in 2008?

Absolutely not.

So yes we have to take things politicians say in public with a grain of salt.

No shit Sherlock.

In fact these revelations were so underwhelming that some folks decided to spice thing up a little with some creative editing.
Problem with that, as revealed by Snopes, is that nowhere on the actual documents does it say anything like that.

Which of course did not stop Fox News and other conservative outlets from running with it. 

In other words the hacked documents, which we believe came from Russia by the way, were so flaccid that disappointed Right Wing nutjobs decided to manufacture some real dirt in order to help their man Trump a little.

Nice try Wikileaks. What do you have for us next? Is Hillary secretly dying her hair? Or does she sometimes eat dessert before she has had her dinner?

Talk about a "bucket of losers."


  1. Anonymous6:28 AM

    If you say so. I'd say if she's serious, she's the worst

    1. Anonymous6:50 AM

      Shame nobody's interested in anything you say.

    2. Anonymous7:13 AM

      6:28 - if you only had a brain.

  2. Anonymous6:53 AM

    Nobody would trust the Russians.

    Julian Assange is having some sort of mental breakdown and it's no secret he blames Hillary Clinton for his predicament- not his dick. Who would trust him?

    Every word of every email is suspect to me.

  3. Anonymous6:54 AM

    OT - just because we can all use a laugh -- the link below is to an article with a video of Trump's creepiest moment lurking and leering behind Hilary --
    to me it was like a whole new level of the creepy clown incidents popping up all over - trump is the creepiest clown of them all!

    1. Anonymous7:25 AM

      The fact that Hillary remained calm and collected the whole time Trump was trying so desperately to intimidate and humiliate her throughout the debate, just shows how great she will be under pressure.

    2. Anonymous9:17 AM

      All drumpf's bitches......

  4. Anonymous7:13 AM

    It sounds SO made-up to couldn't come up with something better than that to make-up about Hillary?

    1. Anonymous8:58 AM

      No one said the Russians were smart, sneaky yes, smart nyet,

  5. Anonymous7:22 AM

    I am more concerned about the other candidate, little Donnie, that dismisses legitimate issues that concern women as though they are not worthy of his time because he wants to discuss ISIS.

    I am not a statistician, but common sense tells me there are more women assaulted and raped each year than harmed or killed by ISIS in the USA.

    And yet for all his insistence that the topic of ISIS is so important, he still hasn’t informed us his huuuge plan.

    The fact that the republicans have to send out lies about these documents already tells me there must be nothing.

    The GOP are strangers to the truth.

  6. Anonymous7:26 AM

    Politicians are all skanks. If Hillary said these things then so be it. Every one of the playas say shit and sell their soul any way they can. They are like prostitutes without the heart. I am sure there isn't a noble person serving the people out there and we are just thirsting for one, that is why people tend to be blind to Donald's and Hillarys, and Bernie's flaws. We look for that Jesus in them. Not to be. I would prefer a hard working person who just wants to override all this partisan bullshit, and get this country on track. Yeah, like Obama. He came, he tried, they shut him down when they could, but he managed to get one now and then, no thanks to "them". Yes, our so called leaders are flawed as hell. If they are flawed, then we must be too.

  7. Anonymous8:04 AM

    OT - where's the outrage from the bible thumpers?!!!!
    Melania Trump can have her "nips" protruding during a presidential debate while wearing a sheer bra and a "pussy bow" blouse (this is NOT a joke!) - this is OK for the christian alt right ??? but Michele Obama wearing a sleeveless dress was a huge sin and a total embarrassment to the office of the president and our country???
    ***their hypocrisy knows no bounds!***

    1. Anonymous8:25 AM

      Even though Jackie Kennedy wore sleeveless blouses in the 60's, they acted like Michelle was walking around nude. And now the potential first lady has done, not only nude photo shoots, but soft porn lesbian photo shoots, been accused of being a hooker....and that's all okay.

    2. Anonymous8:30 AM

      Not to mention Melania's nude pics, including her girl on girl nudies.

      First Lady Michelle has class, Melania is vulgar. It is SO inappropriate for Melania to be at that event with her nipples showing trough her blouse. Classless.

    3. Anonymous4:49 PM

      She's udderly mad. Generally speaking, when the butterball thing pop's up, the turkey's done. Well her turkey's done, the GOP are abandoning ship, after taking an oath to support the nominee. Trump mowed down the best they had (sarcasm) and they just woke up with a "trump problem".

  8. Anonymous9:12 AM

    THIS!> "He is promising to ABUSE the power of the office"
    Remember this FACT: 22,000,000.
    "deletion of 22 MILLION emails which would have explained why America was misled into the Iraq War" <COVERUP!

    1. Anonymous4:52 PM

      Hillary was right, Trump knows nothing about the law, and he never will. What he's proposing is against the law.

  9. Anonymous9:16 AM

    Wait...I don't get it. I thought the Podesta email were fake? And if they're fake, don't you think they could come up with something more damning?

    But if they're real...

    ...this is what I wanna know about:


  10. Anonymous9:19 AM

    "In 2008 President Obama stated in interviews that he did not support same sex marriage, and yet has been one of the leading advocates for making it legal in America."

    Well, no that's not an example of an elected official having a private position and public position. That's an example of having a Personal opinion that differs from public policy yet won't let his personal opinion get in the way of following the law. Kim Davis in KY did the opposite.

    A correct example of an elected official having a private position and a public position is one given yesterday: If Kennedy had told the public, "We're going to the moon", but told NASA it'd be OK if Glenn made a few orbits around earth.

    An example of one of Clinton's private positions that differs from her public position that we learned from Pdoesta's emails is she believes Wall St is best equipped to regulate itself, while of course her public position - straight off her website - is to give regulators more controls over Wall St. The TPP example is an example of having a public that conflicts with a private position. She says she's against the TPP, period. If her private position is she'd be for it with a few tweaks, then she's being dishonest with voters. By the way, that position is exactly what her critics have said is her real position and her spinmeisters keep denying it. Really? You're OK with that?

    It's bullshit to claim this is how politics works, that it's OK for politicians to tell the public they're for or against while telling insiders not so much. But if you think it's all normal and OK for politicians to lie to voters about what they're real positions are, then you've bought into exactly what's wrong with our government.

    Interesting how yesterday the Dem know it alls, even Podesta himself, were insisting those emails were fake. Yet after Clinton confirmed last night they're real, the usual mouthpieces have moved the goalposts to spinning that even thought they're real, they don't say what they say. It's "are you going to believe me or your lying eyes." What horseshit.

    1. Anonymous9:53 AM

      It is all OK and excusable as long as one lives in Hillary-lala-land.

    2. Anonymous11:36 AM

      In fact, Clinton mis-represented "the sausage-making" of getting the 13th amendment passed as an example of Lincoln having a private and public position.

      Lincoln had only one position on the 13th amendment: Pass it as written and abolish slavery before the end of war was negotiated whence his war-time Emancipation Proclamation would lose its legal effect.

      What was happening in private wasn't that he held a different position. What Lincoln's staff and lobbyists were doing in private was arm-twisting and buying-off some Democrats to get their votes without changes to the amendment so Lincoln wouldn't have to wait for the next Congress which was a majority Republican and would have passed it with no trouble. He wanted to end the war and he needed the 13th amendment to make sure the emancipated slaves were protected when it did.

      Clinton was bullshitting the Wall Streeters and she was bullshitting the audience last night, hoping y'all forgot your American History and didn't notice she was full of it.

  11. Anonymous10:26 AM

    Paul Ryan has all but abandoned Trump and conceded the White House to Hillary, officially instructing his House members to focus on doing what's best for their own races.

    Trump, master of multitasking that he is, has now focused all of his rage on Ryan and stopped paying attention to his own presidential campaign. One more example of how he's got the maturity of a toddler and must strike back at anyone he feels has insulted him.

    Trump supporters have promised to vote against anyone who doesn't campaign for their candidate, leaving Ryan caught in the middle of two warring factions in his party.

    "The civil war between the Republican Party and a far right conservative insurgency that is determined to take over the party has finally made it to the big time. Republicans aren’t in a contest for control of the White House with Democrats, they a fighting among themselves for control of their party."

  12. Anonymous10:33 AM

    What's with Drumpf's sniffling? Does anyone else think it was worse last night than at the first debate? Need to know - Adderall or cocaine? Something serious is amiss. Or he is he just an old worn out piece of blather that has to get some air in before he lies? Some commenters think it occurs when he is gearing up for a lie and is a "tell" indicator that the next diatribe will be made up of lies. Disturbing and distracting.

    1. Anonymous4:59 PM

      Cocaine and dry martini's combined with excessive thumb sucking and temper tantrums. Loved the color of his face when his theatrics on stage didn't work. "Oh, she got an extra two seconds to respond, whaaaa whaaaa whaaaa" Funny, no blaming the mic this time? I guess he had bigger things on his mind, like the tape that sunk his battleship BADLY.


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