Tuesday, November 08, 2016

The writers at Cracked wonder if an actual civil war in America is even possible. Do a little research and find that yes it is. Yes it most certainly is.

Courtesy of Cracked: 

Over the last few weeks a growing number of people have started wondering, "Is it possible the United States is heading for a new civil war?" Granted, most of those people are writers for sites like Russia Today or the Huffington Post, and thus slightly less credible than a handful of Bazooka Joe gum wrapper comics. But Donald Trump has made a few tinpot dictator-ish statements recently.

And we did just see an anti-government militia get off scot-free for occupying a federal building and pooping just, everywhere.

The reporter, Robert Evans, then post a number of chilling headlines and interviews a number of  experts on militia groups, former government employees, and educators.

One expert on insurgencies had this to say:

Colonel David Couvillon, a Marine Reserve officer who governed the Wasit province of Iraq after the start of the occupation, pointed out that insurgents can win without convincing anyone that they're "right." It'd be enough to push most Americans into the "both sides are evil" camp, which ... isn't an unfamiliar place for most of us to be.

"If you undermine the moral authority that the government or the military or the police forces have, you win. Then they become the enemy to everybody ... it may not goad you into armed insurgency, but it will goad you into a certain acceptance. And once the guerrillas reach acceptance, they have a path to win."

Good luck sleeping tonight with those thoughts running through your mind.

One of the experts on militias that Cracked interviewed for this story is a guy very familiar to IM readers.

Bill Fulton, an expert on the American militia movement and informant for the FBI, has far more than 170 groups on his list of "armed, violent organizations that might take a shot at the Federal Government". That's out of an estimated 1,360 "radical militias and anti-government groups" in the United States in 2012 (note that there were just 149 four years before) 

"You have a lot of different people who believe the world should be different ways and once the gloves come up like they did in Iraq then all of those rise to the surface...I think depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go, we could end up with three or four hundred solid, different groups under probably twenty or so ideological banners."

Trust me the rest of the article is just as troubling, and by the end of it you will probably be crawling through your house closing all of the blinds. 

One of the things in the article that I found noteworthy is that none of the people interviewed seemed to think that Donald Trump would be terribly involved in an insurgency.

Oh he would be perfectly willing to incite the violence, but he has no stomach for the actual fighting.


So is this a serious threat?'

Boy I would certainly like to say that it wasn't, but after reading this article I am not so damn sure anymore.

All I know is that our first step in preventing something like this is to keep Cheeto Jesus out of the White House. So let's do that first shall we?


  1. Anonymous6:45 AM

    Here is an excellent essay by Andrew Sullivan

  2. Anonymous6:52 AM

    President Obama said, Trump just puts his name on things somebody else did or said, but to demonstrate that the Republican establishment has been just as hate-driven as Trump because it is what their constituency is: hateful racists, religious freaks, and xenophobes. "
    "America is still going to be inhabited by a relatively large segment of the population that are angrier and more hateful than ever and are not the least bit ashamed of their inhumanity towards other Americans."what should be America’s greatest $HAME, but many conservatives wear their inhumanity as a badge of honor and it is the reason they support Trump."that racism fairly pales in comparison to the blatant expression of hatred for all things not white, not Christian, and not conservative that’s developed and been exposed over the past year. It has been a shameful experience to observe and comment on because although one knew there were inhumane Americans in the population, it was a horrid realization that close to half the population are inherently barbaric bordering on $AVAGE."


    1. Anonymous7:03 AM

      Why isn't Mrs. Clinton calling out how much $$ DAPL and affiliates have contributed to Donnie's campaign? This is low fruit people. Why is this not being shouted out by her campaign? It's suspicious.

  3. Anonymous6:56 AM

    Jon Stewart Returned To CRUSH Trump With Colbert, And It Was SPECTACULAR (VIDEO)


  4. Anonymous6:57 AM

    It would be short lived. A couple of Hellfire missiles from a drone would put an end to it.

    Fun fact: Clinton has received more than double the amount of campaign contributions from active duty military than Trump. $700,000 vs. $200,000.

    1. Dropzone Bill12:02 PM

      One would hope .....but looking at the past 10+ years in the middle east there are a lot of vets that would disagree with you

    2. Anonymous12:04 PM

      Nope. Not in American and not against citizens, even if they are traitors attacking their own government.

      And just how united *is* that government, now that we know what the FBI did to undermine the election?

      Trump is the symptom. The Republican Party who chose him and supported him is the problem. They knew everything and still stood behind him, whether enthusiastically or reluctantly. It's their fault and they better own up to it, apologize to the nation and then clean their own house. If they don't you are going to see this happen again. They'll put Mike Pence on the ticket in 2020. Probably with Ted Cruz as VP. They'll spend four years tying Hillary's hands, no supreme court judges seated, not one piece of legislation passed. Then they'll claim she can't get anything done so vote for Pence/Cruz.

  5. Anonymous6:58 AM

    The reporters and journalists in the media have done their part in this. tRump was featured daily, sometimes hourly on TV and every blog. If they had ignored him maybe this could have been avoided. They gave access to the worst this country has to offer. He got over a billion dollars worth of FREE advertising, all the while demonizing Hillary. Imagine how much damage he could have done if he was 1/2 as smart as he THINKS he is? tRump is not an intelligent man. Ego driven fame whoring failure of a businessman. I hope Putin will get his revenge when this is all over. tRump looks unhealthy right now, so would anyone be shocked if he had a heart attack? Putin does not tolerate fools, or anyone who does not do his bidding. He wanted the "useful idiot" in the WH, but tRump could not accomplish that, either. Let's hope the government agency in charge of keeping track of these militia is really on our side.

    1. Anonymous8:17 AM


    2. Anonymous12:06 PM

      Nope. The media is certainly culpable but it's the Republicans that own Trump. They gave him credibility. They could have undermined him and could have prevented him being the nominee. Instead, they swallowed their pride, their honor, their patriotism and they let a fascist run in their name. They even supported and endorsed him. Those that didn't still voted for him. The media may have helped them but it is all on the Republicans.

  6. Anonymous6:58 AM


    against Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren in 2018.

  7. Anonymous7:01 AM

    Members of the military giving three times as much to Clinton as to Trump


  8. Anonymous7:03 AM

    Donald Trump is a demagogue. Period. The right’s failure to see it is a disgrace.

    Someday, maybe, when I’m old and a child asks me what I remember about the awful election of 2016, I’ll say: It was the Big Reveal.

    Revealed: That the guiding spirit of the modern conservative movement is neither Burke nor Lincoln. It’s Marx.


  9. Anonymous7:06 AM

    Final polling update, and what a good one it is for Hillary Clinton


  10. Anonymous7:08 AM

    We're coming for you piece of shit patriarch. EVERY problem in this world is because men are pieces of shit.

    While Hillary may be a piece of shit, she ain't a man.

    1. Leland7:59 AM

      Sorry, but that sounds a lot like what Humpty Trumpty says about groups he wants to target. He paints ALL of them with the same brush as if they are ALL alike.

      AND, flat statements are usually easily contradicted. I mean, come on, EVERY problem? Give me a break.

  11. Anonymous7:08 AM

    No little girl when I was a little girl ever thought that she could be President.

    Except, perhaps, one.

    Hillary Rodham Clinton has spent her entire life proving that women could do anything.

    I am so proud to vote TODAY for Hillary Rodham Clinton for President of the United States!


    1. Anonymous12:11 PM

      LOL. In the 90s I told my sixth grade students that any of them could become president. They laughed and say no, only old white men. (inner city school) I told them that in their lifetimes they would see a Black man become president. They laughed. I told them they'll even see a woman become president. They were incredulous. No way. A woman would never be president.

      I hope those students remember what I said. It's only been about 20 years. They are in their 30s now. They probably voted for Obama and they're probably voting for Hillary.

      I hope they remember what I said.

  12. Anonymous7:10 AM

    I'm not convinced. Can we see a ramp up in right-wing terrorism? sure. Will we see the odd Bundy-like insurrection? Of course. But civil war? I don't think so, largely because I don't believe these wingnuts have a coherent set of grievances or solutions. What are they fight for? A vague idea of "making America Great Again"--what does that actually mean in quantifiable terms? If they were to ever get any traction it would immediately break down into internal squabbling.

    1. Leland8:02 AM

      "...If they were to ever get any traction it would immediately break down into internal squabbling."

      And since when has that ever stopped a civil war? History is full of examples of that happening.

    2. Anonymous12:13 PM

      Now that that Bundy's have gotten off that will embolden the crazies. You're going to see more of the militants actively rebelling.

  13. Anonymous7:11 AM

    I truly think that someone will eventually shoot Trump! Would not surprise me one bit! He's one evil man that has spread every form of hate, racism and fear there is!

    1. Anonymous8:22 AM

      ... and the shooter actually will come from his supporters! Simply because Don the Con did not fulfill what he promised - to make America fully white and overlorded by old, fat, white guys with subservient weak women who are willing to stay home and be pregnant and barefoot all the time behind a wood-fueled stove.

  14. Anonymous7:16 AM


  15. Anonymous7:17 AM

    If you want to talk savage, try starting with the Pilgrims. What they did to the natives was, indeed, savage.
    If you want to talk militias,in our time, first start with the likes of "poopy pants" because that is what is going to happen to the insurrectionists the moment they think they should rise up for a change in their direction.
    Just because you own half the guns in this country doesn't translate into having the fortitude to use them to any effect.
    Fucking cowards.

    1. Anonymous8:18 AM

      Ammo won't last......

    2. Leland9:13 AM

      8:18, that may be a lot farther down the road than you might expect. While the people who have been stockpiling guns my be - at least in many cases - whack jobs who THINK they could win, that doesn't mean their brains are COMPLETELY shut down.

      I would love to see the statistics showing the amount of bullets purchased, the number of brass casings purchased and the poundage of powder purchased for reloading.

      I can tell you from personal experience that making one's own ammunition is FAR cheaper - not to mention far more consistently accurate - than that which is bought OTC.

  16. Anonymous7:20 AM

    Of course Donnie is not going to get involved, he is a draft dodging coward. He is like Sarah, more than willing to throw verbal bombs, sit back and let others do the fighting.

    For all his yakking about taking ISIS out and 2nd Amendment, he runs scared, surrounded by Secret Service when someone shows up with an anti-Trump sign.

    1. Anonymous8:25 AM

      That Secret Service protection will run out tomorrow morning at the latest.
      THEN see tRump run! There is no place on earth where he can hide and/or get his accustomed service.

  17. Anonymous7:24 AM


    1. Anonymous7:35 AM

      Long Lines at Polling Places a Result of Republican Voter Suppression Efforts

      "Only In States Controlled By Republican Legislatures Has Early Voting Been Reduced"


  18. Anonymous7:29 AM

    Hillary Will Win 347 EVs


  19. Anonymous7:33 AM

    America’s First Major Party Female Nominee And Only Black President Rally Voters At Nation’s Birthplace


  20. Anonymous7:40 AM

    You Will Not Believe Who Endorsed Hillary


    1. Anonymous10:00 AM


    2. Anonymous12:18 PM

      Yes! I just watched that in Jimmy Kimmel and it was hilarious!

      Donald Trump endorses Hillary Clinton!

  21. Anonymous7:41 AM

    HRC better keep gaining in the yahoo poll asking people who they voted for.

    1. Anonymous9:09 AM

      Yahoo? Please, you've read the comments over there, right? I doubt that the majority of yahoo readers can even manage to find their polling place, much less figure out how to cast a ballot.

  22. Anonymous7:41 AM

    Bruce Springsteen performs his classics at Hillary Clinton rally


  23. Anonymous7:42 AM

    Let Hillary Be Hillary | Full Frontal with Samantha


  24. SallyinMI7:43 AM

    Beware-I just got this robocall in Michigan. The callerID reads "HIllaryMurder" and if you answer, you get a female and male voice doing a nasty knock knock joke and ending with vicious laughter. The GOP is not playing around folks-they are serious about wanting a fascist puppet in the WH. VOTE!

    1. Anonymous8:26 AM

      Seems, Oregon has robocallers, too.

    2. Anonymous9:29 AM

      I live in Oakland county Mi, usually I get tons of calls, none this year, not even a knock on the door and not one Trump sign to be seen.

      There were Romney signs last election, so I know there are republicans in the neighborhood.

  25. Anonymous7:48 AM

    Donald Trump’s Behavior Leaves Americans Overseas ‘Embarrassed’


  26. Anonymous7:50 AM

    Listen to Donald Trump Get Booed as He Arrives at His Polling Place


  27. Anonymous7:53 AM

    It has yet to be decided who will wield the hatchet—the president, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, or someone else—and exactly when Comey will be forced to go. So far, the only firm decision is that Comey will not be fired until after the election.


    1. Anonymous8:27 AM

      Well, the election is today. So, by tomorrow, he might already be history. YAAAAYYYY!

    2. Anonymous12:29 PM

      I suspect he'll resign quickly after the election. He isn't going to give anyone time to go through the motions of getting him fired. It's the only way he can save face and possibly his career.

  28. Anonymous8:06 AM

    #ImWithHer… but Don’t Tell Anyone: Inside the Heart and Mind of the Secret Hillary Clinton Voter

    Donald Trump talks about the silent majority—but are those quiet voters really with her?


    1. Anonymous12:32 PM

      You have to question the support of a voter who is too embarrassed to admit they are going to vote for a candidate.

      Yeah, they are more likely going to vote for the opponent.

      That's why I'm thinking Hillary is going to get more votes than predicted.

      But not from Melania and Eric Trump's wife. Their husbands are making sure they cast their ballots from Trump. (And Twitter is having a field day.)


  29. Anonymous8:10 AM


    You talk of this supposed 'civil war' from the right.

    How many liberal run cities and towns have been subject to uncontrolled violent riots, looting, buildings set on fire, cops shot and shot at the last several years causing billions in damage?

    All the work of left. All of it.

    1. Anonymous8:31 AM

      And MOST of those killed cops were killed by WHITE thugs - white thugs who lived to see their mugshot taken and see the inside of a prison cell (even if only for a very short time) - contrary to so many UNARMED black people RUNNING AWAY FROM cops, who simply got shot down by cops as if they were diseased, rabid dogs...

    2. Anonymous9:07 AM

      A quick google of "liberal riots" brings up a multitude of alt-right racist websites that blame all violence surrounding the protesting of blacks being unjustly killed by police on liberals.

      We can always count on you to provide us with our racist comment of the day, thanks retard.

    3. Anonymous11:29 AM

      You are the only ones bringing up race 8:31 and 9:07. You f-ing racist liberals. As always, liberals are the true racists.

    4. Anonymous11:31 AM

      Which political affiliation have the violent anarchist rioting groups belonged to 8:31 and 9:07? Oh yeah, the Democratic party.

    5. Anonymous11:38 AM

      What was the color of the man who ambushed and killed 5 Dallas police again during a BLM demonstration 8:31..... hmmmmmmm.

      And the three cops ambushed and killed in Baton Rouge? hmmmm.

    6. Dropzone Bill12:05 PM

      I dont think you are reading the same article although we talk a lot about the right wing threat we also state that there is a left wing threat we as a group just believe that the right has the biggest chance of lighting it off

    7. Anonymous12:33 PM

      We all know how many "liberals" rioted after Bush stole his election.

    8. Anonymous12:51 PM

      Twice as many whites killed by police every years vs blacks. Never hear BLM bringing up that fact. Kind of shoots their whole victim argument in the foot, and exposes their true purpose is anarchy.

    9. Anonymous1:50 PM

      Yummy, I can't wait to see all of you hateful alt-right fucktards eat your words tonight when the results are finalized.

      Yummy, yummy, yummy; at least all the Cletus Militia type folks will have too many Budweisers in their guts to start the civil war tonight...but maybe when they sober up and then nurse their hangovers for a few days we should be aware of fat guys with guns looking to start a war?

      Gonna be a hard 8 years for the bubbas with big mouths, am I right?

    10. Anonymous12:49 AM

      Who is eating what now, 1:50?

  30. Anonymous8:12 AM

    Susan B. Anthony's grave is covered in "I Voted" stickers in honor of Hillary Clinton


  31. Anonymous8:16 AM

    BREAKING: Hillary Wins Guam (Which Has Been Correct Since 1980)


    Trump is very much against anything that doesn’t show him leading because it pierces his ego. He doesn’t like that. He takes it as a personal offense, and when he feels offended, he lashes out. We’ve seen it time and again with him. A poll showing him losing directly conflicts with his “I’m a winner! I’m the best!” world view. Reality has no place in his ego.

    This is the best indicator yet that Trump is losing and knows it. His 'the polls suck' meme only comes when they show him behind. Cue up "I lost because the system is rigged and all those phony polls suppressed my support."


    Roger Stone: Trump Has Run One of the “Worst Campaigns in Modern Political History”


  32. Anonymous8:17 AM

    Alaska where does Sarah, Todd, Track, Bristol, Duh, the Heath family and the Alaskan Independence Party stand as far as an uprising when Hillary Clinton wins? Will Alaskans be safe? Will Todd lead a revolt and resurrect Alaska becoming its own country under Empress Retard?

  33. Anonymous8:19 AM

    If you vote Trump, you own his obvious and despicable pandering to the darkest elements of American society. You own every neo-Nazi robocall he refused to condemn. You own every rabidly anti-Semitic account he re-tweeted with a wink and a nod. You own every white-hooded fool who got chills up his spine when Trump refused to denounce David Duke. You own every jack-booted thug who moved to the edge of his seat with excitement when Trump used a Star of David while attacking Hillary Clinton.

    If there is any thinking person who still holds the delusion that Trump isn't openly appealing to racists, I recommend that they read Politico's piece "How White Nationalists Learned To Love Donald Trump." Warning: you'll need a shower after.

  34. abbafan9:07 AM

    The real threat to U.S. domestic security is not from international sources, but these so-called "homegrown" kooks. The Donald provided the perfect soap-box from where these nutcases can spew their vile filth!

    DHS, and related Federal agencies, must focus on these fringe elements; they are the real threat! However, as shown with the FBI, anyone associated with these agencies, who may be sympathetic to these "militias" or any anti-government group, must be weeded out!!

  35. abbafan9:11 AM

    The GIF of The Donald flapping his gums with "tough talk"; then looking like he just shit himself, is priceless! Just like fuckin' no-brains palin!

  36. Anonymous9:25 AM

    The election is rigged, Donnie had to check to make sure Melanomia didn’t vote for Hillary, it is illegal for someone else to check your ballot!!!!

    Also poor Melanomia walked in with sunglasses and her coat on her shoulders like she is some kind of movie star, well maybe she is, porn movies.

    Check out the twitter comments on link:

    Photo catches Trump double-checking Melania’s ballot — and the Internet erupts with laughter

    Donald Trump went to vote Tuesday morning in New York City — and he was greeted with a round of boos by his fellow New Yorkers as he arrived at his local polling place.

    The fun continued when Trump went inside to vote and was spotted sneaking a peek at his wife Melania’s ballot as she made her choices. While we don’t know for certain what was going through his head, the photo made it look as though Trump was double-checking to see whether she would really vote to make him president.

    As you can imagine, Twitter had a field day with the photo and mocked Trump for his apparent insecurities about his own wife’s ballot — check out some choice reactions below.


    1. Anonymous12:36 PM


      Scroll down.

      Eric Trump is checking *his* wife's ballot too.

  37. Anonymous9:26 AM

    It also looks like he has a blond Hitler mustache, the light shining on his sweat.

  38. Anonymous10:26 AM

    Is this a ploy to overload the system?

    Also Donnie Jr. had a rally at a Ukrainian cultural center while in MI, are these the Ukrainians that Manafort was helping, that want to join Russia?

    Russian media is literally telling its audience to report ‘voter fraud’ to the Trump campaign

    ....... The Moscow Times reported that Russian media is paying very close attention to the U.S. elections and is helping Russians — who currently live in Russia — to report suspicious voting activity directly to the Trump campaign......


  39. Anonymous10:38 AM

    The freaken creepy dicktater. He keeps his family in a bubble so that he can control the entire sharade. How f ing sick.

  40. Anonymous11:05 AM

    Cheaters gotta cheat and riggers gotta rig.

    Traitor Trump doesn’t understand the American voting system so he is going to sue, guess no one in his campaign told him the polls stay open to everyone that was in line.

    Donald Trump Is Suing All The Mexicans



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