Monday, November 07, 2016

Two former Bernie Sanders supporting members of the Washington state Electoral College are threatening to vote against Hillary Clinton, potentially throwing their state to Donald Trump.

Courtesy of Think Progress:  

In the looming election, a solid majority of the American people could cast a ballot for Hillary Clinton. Yet, thanks to two guys from Washington state, Donald Trump could be sworn in as the next president of the United States. 

Two men who were selected as members of the Electoral College in the likely event that Clinton wins the state of Washington, are, at the very least, uncertain that they will honor the will of the people of their state. Robert Satiacum told the Seattle Times that he is “absolutely not” voting for Clinton and that “I hope it comes down to a swing vote and it’s me,” because then “she ain’t getting it. Maybe it’ll wake this country up.” 

The other likely elector, Bret Chiafalo, says that he has “not ruled out that possibility” of voting against Clinton.

The article goes on to point out that it is not impossible that this action could throw the state to Donald Trump.

So how does it happen that two simple minded dipshits like this got elected to the electoral college?

Simple.

The fact that two men who think they have the right to override the will of their states’ voters were chosen as Democratic electors appears to be the fault of an utterly reckless method the Washington Democratic Party uses to name those electors. Electors were chosen at the state party convention in June, an event where so-called Bernie-or-Busters were overrepresented. 

In other words, rather than, say, allowing the party’s nominee to name reliable electors, the party chose to select electors during an emotional primary season at an event that could be gamed by a minority faction that was willing to sabotage the party if Democrats did not chose that faction’s preferred nominee.

Well I think my opinion of the Bernie Bros is fairly well known, and this does nothing but reinforce my belief that I was right about them all along. 

The very idea that any progressive would throw the election to a thin skinned megalomaniac merely out of spite demonstrates that these morons are too immature and under educated to participate in the election process.

81 comments:

  1. Anonymous1:56 PM

    Clinton has 90 percent chance of winning: Reuters/Ipsos States of the Nation

    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/07/clinton-90-percent-chance-winning-reutersipsos-states-nation.html

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  2. Anonymous1:57 PM

    Cretins.

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  3. Anonymous2:05 PM

    Considering the completely unethical DNC and Team Hillary collaborated behind the scenes before and during the whole primary process to insure the baton was passed to Hillary, who can blame them? What is good for the goose...

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    1. Anonymous2:21 PM

      FUCK YOU, ASSWIPE.

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    2. Anonymous2:22 PM

      Star Model: I Spent 4 Years Working for Trump Without a Visa in the US

      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/trump-model-management-illegal-immigration-four-years-visa

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    3. Anonymous2:23 PM


      Donald Trump Breaks 40-Year Bipartisan Tradition By Not Releasing Tax Returns

      Shame.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-returns_us_5820c196e4b0d9ce6fbd9e3c?fv

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    4. Anonymous2:32 PM

      He's not an as swipe, he is correct. The Democratic establishment threw it's support behind a long time member of the Democratic party instead of an independent who after the campaign is still an independent. How dare they!

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    5. Anonymous3:25 PM

      The Democratic Party was quite generous to Bernie Sanders. I cannot imagine the GOP ever allowing someone who was not a party faithful to run in their primaries and have the access that Bernie Sanders had. He cooked his own goose when he decided to bite the hand that fed him.
      Beaglemom

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    6. Anonymous3:42 PM

      First of all, no one forced Bernie to switch parties. Secondly, the BernieBros should be happy that Hillary and the DNC didn't have them arrested for hacking. Thirdly, Bernie is voting for Hillary as are over 90% of Bernie voters.

      Fourthly, and most importantly, having a position in the electoral college is no place for your personal feelings, you are to do what you said you will do and support those that are trusting you to do so.

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    7. Anonymous3:44 PM

      That is true, Beaglemom. Bernie had some nerve trying to pull what he did. I never trusted him then and I do not trust him now.

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    8. Anonymous5:49 PM

      Next time have your candidate run on his own party's platform instead of carpetbagging, and learn the rules of the party you are carpetbagging.

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  4. Anonymous2:08 PM

    I live in WA and find this outrageous. This guy is not smart.

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    1. I, too, live in Washington and I find this outrageous also. If this changes the outcome of the election, I will be one angry person!

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  5. Anonymous2:10 PM

    Barack Obama is now viewed more positively than Ronald Reagan was in 1988

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/barack-obama-is-now-viewed-more-positively-than-ronald-reagan-was-in-1988/

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  6. http://time.com/4560682/faithless-electors/

    What Happens If Faithless Electors Swing the Results?

    If any of them act on their promises, it would be rare. In the 240 year history of the U.S., there have been 157 faithless electors, according to the nonprofit FairVote. Nearly half changed their votes because the candidate to whom they were pledged died before the Electoral College met, three chose to abstain and the other 82 broke their pledge for reasons of personal preference or conscience. But none has ever successfully changed the outcome of an election.

    This year could be different. If the margin of victory for either Trump or Clinton in the 538-seat Electoral College comes down to one or two votes, as it did in 2000, it’s possible that a faithless elector could keep a candidate from passing the halfway mark, banking 270. …

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    1. Anonymous2:27 PM

      Maybe the two guys will have a change of heart when the electoral college vote takes place on Dec 19.

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    2. Anonymous2:29 AM

      Right now it's looking like she might have plenty of margin. She might even go past the 300 mark. In which case these guys will simply be schmucks who will be pilloried when they return home.

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  7. Anonymous2:11 PM

    Hubby overhead a young 20ish guy say he's voting for Jill. Pretty blue here so not too worried about it.

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  8. I wish someone would explain to me why we don't get rid of the Electoral College.

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    1. Scorpie 2:13 PM wrote: I wish someone would explain …

      So that each state (with the exception of Nebraska and Maine) counts entirely for a particular candidate, whether that candidate gets 51% of the popular vote within that state or 100%. Makes the states more important, somehow.

      Since each elector is required to vote according to "won the state" it does seem silly to permit "faithless electors". The penalty (in some states) of $1000 is a holdover from when $1000 actually meant somthing. If instead of human electors, each state simply reported, so many electoral votes for candidate so-and-so (slightly more complicated for Nebraska and Maine) without having people saddle up their horses and carry the votes in person, it would eliminate the possibility of defections.

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  9. Anonymous2:16 PM

    And this is why we need a overhaul in this fiasco and acquired voting shell game.

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  10. Anonymous2:20 PM


    A Donald Trump Presidency Presents A Grave Threat To The Press
    He’s vilified, attacked and threatened journalists — and may land the most powerful job in the world.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-press-threat_us_5820e469e4b0e80b02cbe800

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  11. Dropzone Bill2:21 PM

    Thats what we get for allowing the Electoral College to remain instead of a straight popular vote. It would suck but I think we would get rid of the College if it did happen.

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  12. Anonymous2:22 PM

    There are few signs for president in my area of R's......Its too bad that people don't feel safe placing a election sign in their yard..

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  13. Anonymous2:26 PM

    Bernie's campaign is responsible for started the bullshit about the "rigged" system and votes.

    Not to mention that Gryphen's own fool of a daughter was a big Bernie supporter. Sadly, there are a lot of liberals who are still dumbasses.

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    1. Anonymous2:44 PM

      BULLPUCKY! I was an ardent Bernie supporter, but I will now vote for Hillary. The alternative a complete nightmare - not just for the US, but for the whole world!

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    2. Anonymous3:23 PM

      Well, Anon at 2:22 pm, Gryphen's daughter is young and idealistic. I think she realized that she was wrong. She'll be fine.
      Beaglemom

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    3. Anonymous3:46 PM

      There is/was nothing wrong with Bernie supporters supporting their candidate as long as they are active. Most Bernie supporters are following Bernie's lead and request to vote for Hillary. The few remaining are the Rand Paul libertarians that I could never quite figure out why they were for Bernie in the first place.

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    4. Anonymous5:41 PM

      2:26 PM GO BACK TO SCHOOL, DUMMY!

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  14. Anonymous2:27 PM

    Hopefully Bernie will contact these dumbfucks and have a few words with them.Bernie was pissing me off during the primarys but he has come around and really supported HRC.I will give him credit for that.

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    1. Anonymous3:47 PM

      I was and still am a Hillary supporter, but Bernie did have the right to run his campaign as he saw fit until the primary was over. I do regret that he hasn't been as visible as he could have, but then part of that has been the nat'l press for not covering his events.

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  15. Anonymous2:28 PM

    http://dr35ey0x3otoq.cloudfront.net/uploads/default/original/3X/8/f/8f51ed81b18b7384134e3a737c1f25af09d41430.jpg

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  16. Maybe Bernie needs to have a conversation with these two.

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  17. Anonymous2:28 PM

    Obama Gets Nostalgic For His Past Campaigns While Stumping For Clinton (VIDEO)

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-campaign-rally-new-hampshire-nostalgia

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  18. I agree. Maybe Bernie needs to introduce them to reality.

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  19. Anonymous2:30 PM

    Gingrich, Giuliani, Priebus Eyed for Top Jobs in Trump White House: Sources

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/gingrich-giuliani-priebus-eyed-top-jobs-trump-white-house-sources-n678881

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    1. Anonymous2:33 AM

      They paid and Trump is going to let them play.

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  20. Anonymous2:35 PM

    Imagine the victory party at the Mar a Lago: Trump, grabbing all the pussy he can find; Scott Baio hitting on Palin; the Duck Dynasty boys proposing marriage to all the underage Dominican prostitutes Donald ships in for his fellow Floridian, El Rushbo; Eric Trump marshalling the Trumpenjugend for a book-burning; and Victoria Jackson drunk-texting fellow conservative Dennis Miller and confessing her undying love for him while begging Trump to grab *her* pussy.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1130479bd7229145a1763fe6b47b7a3a0dcadc687fd4a4e1fffb2f321a55d8d8.jpg

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  21. Anonymous2:37 PM

    OT, but I just checked Trump's schedule and had to smirk at the "Donald J. Trump Victory Party" item on the schedule for tomorrow night. So formal and having to use the whole name...groan. On Hillary's schedule she just has "Election Night Event." But what really struck me is that Trump's event isn't even going to be held at one of his own properties but at a Hilton, and if you read the link below you'll find some details interesting (like that it has dirty carpet--guess his supporters aren't worth better). First thing that came to my mind was that Trump doesn't really think he'll win. He can't have failure associated with his prized properties. If he did think he'd win, wouldn't he want to show off T Tower or the new DC hotel? And since it'd make the most sense to be in NY, wouldn't he want to end things right where they began--if he really thought he'd win, wouldn't he want that symbolism? It'd be his last chance, too, to charge a ton of money for using his facilities. All year he's chosen to use Trump properties/vendors and charge two-three times, sometimes even more, what he could for services provided by other hotels and vendors. I guess he decided that this last time it'd not be a good idea to do that, and he certainly wouldn't want to lose any money with a loss and there's no way he'd pony up the cash. And I guess he isn't even willing to have to clean up the litter from his own property if he's not going to actually make a good amount of money off its use.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/05/donald-trump-s-victory-party-at-the-hilton-and-his-creepy-ogling-of-paris-hilton.html

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    1. Anonymous2:49 PM

      The Hilton better have all the money up front, PLUS extra security/damage deposit for cleaning up all the damage to their property after all is said and done!
      Because FOR SURE his supporters will throw one big hissy-fit and destroy anything in their way! (That is actually the reason I believe he is going somewhere else and not to any of his properties.)

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    2. Anonymous2:36 AM

      I doubt he booked it, doubt he's paying for it, and doubt he'll show up.

      The "losers" will be at the Hilton and Trump will be in his tower, clutching his phone and tweeting up a storm. Or maybe at his desk, writing out his revenge list by hand.

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  22. Anonymous2:38 PM

    We will never have a democracy until every vote in this country is equal. Screw delegates

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  23. Anonymous2:39 PM

    I hope that Bernie has been giving these two dipsh*ts a good talking-to!

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  24. Anonymous2:49 PM

    Aw Gryphen, go fuck yourself sweetie. Just because a few Bernie supporters are going rouge, doesn't mean you have to disparage those of us who are the vast majority of Bernie supporters who voted for Hillary. Like Sanders, many of us worked to help get out the vote:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/philadelphia-suburbs-voting_us_5820f0f1e4b0aac624866fb6

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    1. Well if you are a Bernie supporter who is now voting for Hillary clearly I was not referring to you now was I?

      My definition of a "Bernie Bros" is one of those idiots who thought that Sanders was Santa Claus and could deliver on his irresponsible promises despite obstructionism from the conservatives, and now are still too butt hurt to vote for Hillary.

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    2. Anonymous5:13 PM

      It's like you think the internet can be erased. You've been grouping all Bernie supporters together since the beginning and the only reason you're writing this BS now is because you wanted to insert the drama again.

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    3. Anonymous5:34 PM

      @5:13, If you don't like what you read here,.....LEAVE!

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    4. Anonymous5:36 PM

      @2:49 PM When did Gryphen start using rouge?

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    5. Anonymous2:38 AM

      Why should he change now?

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  25. Anonymous3:02 PM

    I just caught the tail end of Trump's last PA speech. In several grouped sentences he basically was praising himself and saying he was the only solution and the savior. He kept saying that this will be "the greatest vote you ever cast" and that this is the "last chance" to "make every dream you've ever had come true" and that the chance "will never happen again." I'm using quotation marks but a word or two may be different from what he said.

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  26. Anonymous3:21 PM

    The two geezers from Washington State are simply looking for headlines. For their moment in the sun. May they get sunburned.
    Beaglemom

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  27. Anonymous3:25 PM

    She's going to kick his ass at least 345 - 193, probably more. 2 votes aren't going to swing anything.

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    1. Anonymous2:42 AM

      More like 302-235.

      But those two votes still won't matter as far as the vote.


      What will matter is that it further degrades the process, our democracy and the smooth and peaceful transition of the election. Trump has damaged our election process forever.

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  28. Anonymous3:29 PM

    Yes, we will stand to say then, no more delegates. My vote counts and i want it counted, i will not have a delegate change my vote!!!!!

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  29. Anonymous3:30 PM

    Omg. He probably says this to his wife and she is thinking gross but i got money.

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  30. Anonymous3:30 PM

    He got fat in the last couple of days!

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  31. Anonymous3:36 PM

    Common sense pls. WASH has 12 electoral votes. This one guy says he may not cast ONE of them for Clinton. So She would get 11 instead of 12. This one person cannot "flip the state" to Trump.

    It ain't happening anyway tho. He'll fall in line.

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    1. Anonymous5:04 PM

      Exactly. If one or even both of these idiots want their votes to not count for Hillary, and therefore help Trump, what has that got to do with the rest of the votes from WA?

      If the Electoral College is tied, those two votes not counting for Hillary would tip the whole thing to Trump, but I don't see how WA is going to be tipped to him.

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    2. Anonymous5:10 PM

      Common sense never stopped him before.

      If I used his logic then ALL Alaskans are borderline retarded, money grubbing fakes.

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  32. Anonymous3:51 PM

    Tomorrow will be unstoppable for Hillary, too many republicans either not voting for president and just the rest of the ballot, those not voting, and those who will vote for Hillary but haven't told their spouses.
    Tomorrow night will be historic. The highest glass ceiling in the USA will have been shattered!

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  33. Anonymous4:41 PM

    How sad. Don't these two know that a Donald presidency will be horrendous. Does anyone have a clue that this guy is certifiable? Come on, even if you are a Bernie person you have to know this election is based on the honor system. Donald will be one mean old sunsabiatch when he gets to the White House. Gays, minorities, handicaps, transgender, all will be thrown under the bus. And Donald will uphold his stinking legacy of talking a big talk but not doing the walk. Has America really gotten that dumb? If so, then fuck us.

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  34. Just because some states have voted democratic in the past, doesn't mean they will for this election. Even some red states could turn blue. Everybody loved Pres. Obama but I don't sense that same excitement for their current candidate.

    We'll find out tomorrow night and one state to watch is...Minnesota.

    Let's all stand behind whomever is elected, unite and make our country strong.

    Cheers...

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    1. Anonymous5:58 PM

      Hillary is ahead of where Obama was in the polls for both of his elections. Why do people keep saying there is no enthusiasm. Especially women - can't just fuckin give another woman credit.

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    2. Anonymous6:20 PM

      Ginger
      Then you know NOTHING about the state of Minnesota nor the people living there. Minnesota will be bright blue tomorrow. Try not to talk out of your ass so much and one day people may take you seriously.

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    3. Anonymous2:45 AM

      Ginger? You wouldn't happen to be a housewife from Nebraska, now, would you?

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  35. Anonymous5:44 PM

    Stop complaining about President Trump's taxes. He's being audited.

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    1. Anonymous10:47 PM

      President who?

      LMAO!

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  36. Anonymous5:47 PM

    Is that even legal, if the people vote for Hillary, aren’t they required to vote for her. I sure hope someone informs Bernie and he gets his bros back in line.

    Disgusting.

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  37. Anonymous5:56 PM

    As Trump's parents are looking up from Hell they are telling him to stop crying like a big orange baby.

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  38. Anonymous6:03 PM

    CNBC:
    Donald Trump’s neighbor: I would be ‘scared to death’ of having him as our president
    Dominique Fortes
    4 Hours Ago

    Donald Trump’s neighbor: I would be 'scared to death' with Trump as president: Jeff Greene
    Billionaire real estate mogul Jeff Greene told CNBC on Monday he has grave concerns about a Donald Trump presidency.
    Greene told CNBC's Closing Bell, "I live two doors away from Donald Trump in Palm Beach. I know enough about Donald Trump to know that I would be scared to death to see him as our president."
    His comments come on the tail end of the campaign trail after many wealthy Americans have already made public their own presidential endorsements, some even speaking at rallies and convention

    Read more at
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/07/donald-trumps-neighbor-i-would-be-scared-to-death-of-having-him-as-our-president.html

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    1. Anonymous3:25 AM

      Anyone who has a dime invested in ANYTHING other than their mattress should be scared to death of a Trump presidency.

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  39. Anonymous6:19 PM

    I got into it with a bunch of young not-so-fringe BLMers (one was Eric Garner's daughter) who were insisting they were not going to vote (to 'teach the Democrats a lesson'). None of my arguments had any impact until I pointed out that not voting could ensure that they'd never vote again (like it wasn't getting hard enough except for those in NY of course). They went quiet after that, I'm assuming because they finally saw that they did in fact have something to gain from voting.

    They were also militant Sanders supporters so I guess you've solved that little mystery for me.

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  40. Anonymous6:25 PM

    I live in WA, and would guess these two asshole are from Eastern WA, like right next to Idaho. And we KNOW what Idaho produced.

    I hope they are fined severely if they indeed do dishonor our vote.

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  41. Anonymous7:11 PM

    One of them is Robert satiucum. Big native am spokesperson. He'll come around. if it matters. which it won't.

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  42. Anonymous7:29 PM

    Why not? Hillary knifed him in the back after he had been a perfect ge4ntleman during the primaries. Live byit, die by it.

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  43. Anonymous8:49 PM

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-obama-made-me-better-man

    Beck" told the New Yorker that Trump once called him into a guest room at his Mar-A-Lago resort and then telephoned him.

    “We had this weird, almost Howard Hughes-like conversation,” Beck told the New Yorker.

    He said the conversation left him thinking Trump is CRAZY.

    “This guy is dangerously unhinged,”

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  44. Anonymous11:09 PM

    Get that ass off the stage. Trump sucks.

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  45. Anonymous11:11 PM

    Finally. He is gone.

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  46. Anonymous2:27 AM

    A lot can happen in six weeks. They may say that now but that doesn't mean it's what will happen.

    And the one guy didn't say he was necessarily going to vote for Trump. He's Native American and he said he didn't think Clinton had done enough for Native Americans or some such. Not sure what the other guy's beef is.

    If push comes to shove, I'm sure Bernie will go out there and meet with both of them, explain things and get them on board. After all, in a Hillary administration, if the Democrats take back the Senate, Bernie moves up to quite an influential position. That should please all of the Bernie supporters. Bernie will have a lot more influence over Hillary than over Trump. It will also allow Bernie leverage to make sure as many of the issues he managed to get included in the Democratic platform as possible don't fall by the wayside. He can keep the pressure on.

    (Although I do think Hillary could have said something about Standing Rock. Even gone out there.)

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  47. Anonymous7:02 AM

    Hillary Clinton has not been president before. And what has Bernie Sanders done for Native Americans. We know that President Obama has done a lot for Native Americans; his vigorous support for Hillary Clinton should be enough for for this elector from Washington State.
    Beaglemom

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  48. Anonymous12:20 PM

    Palin and crew invited to the Trump
    Victory Party at the Hilton. Better lock
    up the silver, here they come!

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