Courtesy of Raw Story:
“I think he hacked the elections,” Baer said of Russian President Vladimir Putin. “The FBI came out today and put out a report. This is forensic information. He manipulated our election and now he’s manipulating our politics. The fact they didn’t expel any American diplomats from Moscow and he turns around and says, ‘Trump is just the man we can deal with,’ this is just extraordinary.”
Baer went on to say that he’s never seen anything like this in his many years working in national security.
“And the fact that Trump has not reacted is incredible,” he continued. “This FBI information is forensic. It is the same sort of evidence they send people to jail on. It is computer DNA. It is indisputable at this point.”
CNN host Kate Bolduan remarked that it was interesting Baer laid out the argument that way because former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani questioned the evidence, claiming it might be political. Giuliani said that Trump will get his own team to look through the intelligence report given the politics or the possibility of the intelligence being wrong.
“It is going to be the same stuff,” Baer explained. “But what Giuliani misses, this isn’t intelligence. This isn’t assessments. This isn’t people trying to get into Putin’s mind. This is forensics. It is DNA. And this is what they are all missing and it is every single intelligence agency in the United States government that this is just a fact.”
There is a hell of a lot of pushback on the conclusion that Russia hacked the DNC and Clinton campaign to hurt Hillary and help Trump get elected, though from everything that I have witnessed so far it seems to leave very little doubt that that is EXACTLY what happened here.
Like this Baer guy pointed out, the FBI has certainly not seemed terribly sympathetic toward Hillary Clinton and yet they apparently are convinced that Putin hacked this election, and did so to favor Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.
And that falls in line with every other intelligence agency's conclusions as well.
So what is the fucking argument?
That there is not enough evidence presented in the reports to convince Trump supporters?
Yeah but those are the same folks that were convinced Donald Trump was going to actually build a wall to keep Mexicans out, and that Hillary Clinton was involved in a child sex ring based on a conspiracy theory flogged by Alex Jones.
So who gives two shits what those folks think?
Any sort of investigation launched on behalf of Trump and his henchmen will whitewash the entire scandal. I want to know how many people, in addition to Donald himself, have committed treason within the past year or so. I'm sure the number will include dozens of Trump's closest associates.
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"So what is the fucking argument?
ReplyDeleteThat there is not enough evidence presented in the reports to convince Trump supporters?"
As you know full well, there has been NO evidence presented in any report or leak or interview. All we've seen so far is "I think"s and "we thinks". And of course Baer has not been a position for a decade to have seen any evidence either. You're incredibly disingenuous or you're incredibly gullible.
Baer is highly respected and an authority who people go to. And he is not alone in his opinion. The best and brightest in that area all agree on what has happened. And of course there are things we will never see, but people who know intel, people with experience and connections, unlike you, know what the findings indicate. You sound like every Trump voter who refuses to believe anything and who insists that s/he has the right to see every ounce of any evidence. Get real.
DeleteAre you lost again?
Delete2:20pm
DeleteNo one seems to understand that the evidence that everyone wants to see is actually classified information so we WON'T ever see it. This should be required reading for anyone with an opinion on the hacking scandals.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/27/why-its-so-hard-to-prove-russia-was-behind-the-election-hacks/?utm_term=.b1269c9d710c
"Baer is highly respected and an authority who people go to."
DeleteHAHAHAHAHA. He is a paid talking head and author interested in book sales. Holy crap you people are so... not smart.
"All we've seen so far is "I think"s and "we thinks"."
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Well, no.
"No one seems to understand that the evidence that everyone wants to see is actually classified information so we WON'T ever see it. "
DeleteBullshit.
"Well no"
Bullshit. Name one piece of evidence. It's all "we think".
Bu
"Baer is highly respected and an authority who people go to. "
DeleteIt's sad that people can't distinguish between evidence and opinions.Baer hasn't seen anything more than we have and he hasn't been near classified information for more than a decade.
Gryphen gone are the days when c4p would send in a troll! Now you have your own Russian trolls! Paid to defend the Mother Russia like Anonymous 3:46 PM. Or can it be "Patriots" waiting in line to BLOW Putin after Trump does?
DeleteHard to say, but the stupid it still burns!
I just hope the USA has our own version of fake news its spreading in mudder russia.
Fuck Trump and yes I agree with the guy who says trump will be assassinated. Russia will probably do it when Trump is not a useful tool anymore or they can't compromise him anymore.
Everyone knows there is a sex tape and can't wait.
Trump is screwed either way, be impeached or WORSE when he is found to be a SPY or done in by Mr KGV himself.
Happy new year!
I doubt that all the tRump bluster is caused just by a sex tape. He would welcome a chance to expose a sex tape. In his mind, it would prove what an attractive guy he is, a woman having sex with HIM. It is all about $$$$. tRump owes millions to Russian banks. He will be expected to deliver the goods for Vlad, piece by piece with help from the guys surrounding him who have worked in Russia. The CORONATION should be put on hold until he is investigated. He never released his tax returns, and he will not relinquish his businesses either. He makes his own rules, and the gop lets him!! Putin pulled a dirty trick on the USA, and he is getting away with it.
DeleteSo what is President Obama doing about this if he has real proof?
ReplyDeleteOh yah, a little slap on the wrist.
This is all either bullshit, or he's a pretty weak leader.
They were to do something covert, and we when that happened none of us would ever know.
Delete2 fux Obama does not broadcast via twitter what his actions will be. Take your trolling, Trump ass-kissing stupidity to Alex Jones or Fox.
DeleteYes, if the President has not advised twodux of all his plans and actions, then they don't exist.
Delete2ducks is a weak troll.
Deletetwodux2:21 PM
DeleteSo what is President Obama doing about this if he has real proof?
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Well 2 sux,
saw a spy being banished from the SF Soviet Embassy crying in his vodka he will miss the biggest holiday in Russia NYE b/c he has to go back with no warning! Boofucking hoo!
I felt so much worse for the people of Aleppo that these self serving Russian fucks! Spys, that what they were called and are and should of been ARRESTED on the spot but our "Weak potus" let them go home.
So go fuck yourself 2 sux! The spies are crying, isn't that enough?
So which is it? Hillary didn't put any government secrets at risk by bypassing government servers? Or the Russians were all over her so they could rig our election? (But of course they skipped looking at anything classified because that wouldn't be right.)
DeleteIt would be a lot better debate if some of you had a point or an angle to argue. Your petty name calling is really weak.
Unlike tRump President Obama is INTELLIGENT. Why would he broadcast his plans? Too smart for that, but it will come in time. Those Russian spies were living the good life in those mansions. Cushy job, until they got caught. Wanna bet they have been watched for years, gathering evidence against them? They cried because the gig is up, back to Russia and living in poverty.
Deletetwodux ~ Hillary was the ONLY one who wasn't hacked.
DeleteНет рублей за вас от Путина на этой неделе; ты плохой американский тролль.
The FBI is a joke. What Comey did to Hillary is not forgivable. In the future we don't want to hear any sad stories from these folks how they didn't know Trump was in cahoots with Putin. Nor do we want to hear that people thought Trump was sane. We have been saying that he's missing a few screws since long before he came down that elevator. Everyone knows he's Hitler's twin. We are saying that he will wreck havoc with our government. He thinks it's his new toy. He has been spoon fed since day one, and that has not been good for his psychosis. Now the asshats that helped him win the presidency get to be a part of the awful part of our human history. No reason to say Happy New Year.
ReplyDeleteIn fact there's no more evidence available that the russians hacked our election than there's evidence Clinton's involved in a child sex ring, but you believe it happened so don't be such a snob. You're believing without seeing any evidence, too.
ReplyDeleteYou cannot be serious here.
DeleteThe trolls are out today, 2:29.
DeleteYou seriously believe without seeing any evidence the same FBI that you've been pillorying about the Clinton investigation?
Delete5:06...... Somebody who gets it.
DeleteThere is computer code that is the equivalent of DNA.
DeleteIf it was a murder trial in court, Russia would be convicted.
There is no reasonable doubt.
Geez Louise if this old lady can put two and two together and come up with something more than fishy here, why can't any of those in congress or the senate??
ReplyDeleteAnyone else wonder why trump takes off and gives the slip to the media? Wonder why every other person in his circle and his noms have close ties to russia? Come on, think, you can figure it out.
I think the gop may be in cahoots with tRump and Vlad. No democratic President-elect would be able to treat the press the way the large orange blowhard has treated them. He also has his own security, so he must not trust the Secret Service to protect his bloated hide. Uday, Qusay and the soon to be first "lady" (Ivanka) should not travel outside the USA. They could be kidnapped. If tRump does not do Vlad's bidding, his entire family is in danget.
DeleteAnyone here trust the FBI after all this shit? If they showed up at my door, I'd laugh in their face!
ReplyDeleteOkay then don't trust the FBI. But that still leaves another sixteen or so other national security agencies coming to the same conclusions.
Delete@2:44, all the way to jail?
DeleteSo now we're trusting the FBI?
DeleteBaer is a paid analyst who is also an author with interest in upping his book sales. He is more than willing to say whatever you want to hear to keep getting on TV. This is getting goofier by the day what you are willing to hang your hat on. And still... No evidence.
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing that the Russians managed to mind control the working class in the Midwest and the rust belt, the economically suffering working class the Clinton campaign ignored at their own peril, and yet the Russians did not mind control California, where there was no shortage of star studded George Clooney et al $50,000 dinners with Hillary there.
We Californians are not stupid enough to follow the Trumpette train to nowhere, like you, troll.
DeleteWhat is tRump hiding, keeping his tax returns hidden? How about his medical report? Where did he find that Bruce Vilanch looking "doctor" who resembles a mad sientist? tRump needs to be outed for the fraud that he is. He is being controlled by others, he is not a smart man. He is kept away from the press in case he accidentally blurts some truth. We have been royally screwed by Russia and the American citizens who have dealings there and are now tRump's advisers.
Delete"That there is not enough evidence presented in the reports to convince Trump supporters?"
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There will never be enough to convince trump supporters just as nothing that President Obama presented would ever be accepted as a legitimate birth certificate.
They simply cannot afford to accept anything that would show that trump's election was facilitated by a hostile foreign power.
tRump is as fake as the election was. He is NOT a smart man, in fact he is borderline STUPID. He can not speak in full, intelligent sentences. His fortune is all smoke and mirrorJust because he claims that he is smart, or his kids are smart that does not make it so. The foreign banks OWN his orange ass. Decent people do not want anything to do with him. No real "star" wants to perform at his innauguration, what does that tell you? Fake, fraud, laughing stock. Not presidential material. President Obama has more brains in his little toe that tRump has in his entire bloated orange body. Repulsive man in every way.
DeleteR'amen, 2:04 ~ R'amen.
DeleteWow, Gryphen! Your comment section has been over run with trolls. That used to only happen on a Sarah Palin post. Who are these people and why are they taking up roosting here? Trying to sow seeds of disinformation?
ReplyDeleteYes, this is really interesting. You have hit a nerve and someone obviously thinks you have a following to be concerned about. Enough so that the hell hounds are all over this today. Usually it is the idiot who sniffs about the Palin stories.
DeleteHit a nerve? More like disgusted by how gullible people are to believe claims and assertions are evidence that something's true. It's pathetic.
Delete5:12 PM In Trump's world nothing is true.
Delete6:16 That is unless he or his family says it!! Is the future first lady still in Hawaii?
DeleteI think part of the reason Trump is acting so dim-witted is that he is listening to
ReplyDeleteRudy Giuliani. Rudy he talks like he is auditioning for a Homeland Security job or some high level post. He is probably the one feeding Trump all the BS. about not enough evidence. Trump is acting like he got with his hand caught in the cookie jar. What is he so defensive about??? Any of these trolls here invited to his big New Years Bash tonight????
He's not "acting" dim-witted. As for feeding Fat Donald BS, the one to worry about is Flynn. He is a genuine nut case.
DeletetRump does not have to act, he really IS dim witted. He has proven it time after time. Too bad we do not have REAL journalists in this country, who have the guts to call him out on is B.S. tRump is borderline mentally challenged, I am convinced of it. Either that, or dementia has already taken hold. He acts like a spoiled brat. Certainly not the high caliber of a presidential candidate. I thought this country had hit rock bottom with W, who would have thought trump would get this far? I mean, apart from Vlad and the US traitors who work for him and have infected the tRump "advisors"
DeleteTrumpettes are calling it "fake news", which would be rich coming from them seeing as to how they invented fake news, if only the other third of Americans who don't even bother with news didn't listen to the loudest most obnoxious voices in the room as Gospel.
ReplyDeleteOur election has been hijacked. To accept the result is to abandon democracy.
ReplyDeleteThe only fair repercussion is: in the interest of national security declassify the evidence and have another election.
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This could get real interesting:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bluedotdaily.com/house-speaker-paul-ryan-just-linked-directly-to-russian-election-hacking/
Yes yes, place all your faith in a leftist website feeding your suspicions and fears. They would never steer you wrong.
DeleteLine from my ex (Trump supporter) is that Russia only hacked because of what Hillary did. So, in his mind, again, it's Hillary's fault that Russia hacked American computers. Jaw dropping.
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