A petition urging the Electoral College to make Hillary Clinton the president of the United States is now the largest in Charge.org history. The petition, started by social worker Daniel Brezenoff last month, has received more than 4.6 million signatures.
Millions of people have added their names to the online petition calling to block President-elect Donald Trump from taking the White House. The petition called on 149 electors to ignore their states' votes and instead cast ballots for Clinton on Dec. 19.
"Donald Trump is a danger to the Constitution," Brezenoff said, in a release, "and the electors have the power to stop him." The petition argues that Clinton should be president because she won the popular vote.
Damn 4.6 million is nothing to sneeze at!
It kind of makes me wonder how many of them were third party voters or former Bernie Bros who decided to sit this one out and are now desperate to somehow repair the damage done by their ignorance about the political system.
Not that it makes much difference, the chance of this actually changing the outcome of this election is incredibly unlikely.
Which is something that the Clinton campaign understands all to well:
"Believe me if there was anything I could do to make Hillary Clinton the next president of the United States I would," said former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a longtime Clinton supporter. "But this is a big waste of time."
If this whole election debacle makes any positive change whatsoever, I would hope it would be to finally convince Americans that voting third party or sitting out elections opens the door for the very worst candidates to win an election that they have no business winning.
Please add the link so we all can all sign up.
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DeleteActually, it's 4,713,xxx now.
Everybody here should forward the link to relatives and friends.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I went through my email three times, looking for people to send it to.
DeleteHaha. I'm sure they will all love you for that lol.
DeleteThere are a lot of good, qualified people who want to run for office but don't want innocent people attacked by psychotic liberals. Right now, despite how out of touch democrats are, one has to run Democrat to ensure innocent, private friends aren't harassed and attacked. Because, you know democrats have no standards and no one cares if 15 yr old girls named Sasha go to parties and act normal for her age. If republicans aren't boringly pristine, even if they've never claimed perfection, democrats freak out in complete hypcrisy.
ReplyDeleteGoofball^
DeleteHey, 8:57-whatever keeps the Palins out of the picture works for me. You slobber over the virtuous Bristol on her Instagram or try to make friends at c4p-even they ignore and block you.
DeleteThis makes absolutely no sense.
DeleteHoly cow -- you are delusional. No one attacks others like the GOP. Look at what they did for about 30 years to the Clintons. They are the reason so many don't trust them -- phony attacks that never stopped even when all of OUR money they spent on investigations came up empty. Between the Republicans and FOX News no democrat will ever have a chance. They are all despicable. And, I was raised in strict Republican home. Can't stand any of them/you, now.
Delete8:57
Deletedeflect and project much numbnutz ?
Some one is off their meds.
DeleteAre Linda and James Mangelsdorf psychotic liberals for supporting your dependent ass through middle age? They should have kicked your sorry, unemployed ass out many years ago. You are a burden to them.
Delete@9:49 despi-cable>news=DEPLORABLE
DeleteA$ for > "complete hypocrisy"<LOLOLOLOL
What you read is a trump operative paid to say anything and everything reverse of truth. It is the trump and hacker gig. In case you did not notice for the last year and half. The words and facts against trump and kind are reversed to twist and spin. Everything said is turned around and used against the truth and facts. It is a hacking communist scheme.
DeleteThe problem is that people have short memories. By the time the next election happens, they will have forgotten the things you're talking about now. I remember George McGovern, and Ralph Nader. But the young people don't. Short memories, and no knowledge of history, is what causes this problem.
ReplyDeleteI was in 6th grade when I painted a huge political sign for McGovern. We had a giant Santa sign that covered the entire garage door. My parents asked me to use the other side of it to make a McGovern sign. That was the beginning of my interest in politics. It never stopped. People need to stay engaged after a loss. They can't turn cynical or lazy. And they need to learn their political history, and I'm not even talking of way back, but knowing what has happened since JFK or even, heck, since Bush v. Gore. To get excited about a 2016 Bernie and have no context for his candidacy will just burn out a lot of flames that we need to stay lit.
DeleteThis should be a wake up call to Democratic legislatures to FIX the voting process, and also re work the boundaries from gerrymandering. Make sure voting is accessible to EVERYONE.
ReplyDeleteThey can't fix it as long as they are in the minority.
DeleteThey can't do squat until they take the Senate AND the House. And they will have to do it before a second Supreme Court justice dies or retires. If Trump gets to put TWO judges on the court, game over.
Can Pelosi and Schumer do it? Not a fucking chance in hell.
I agree that it is almost impossible for this petition to work. But it is NOT a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteIt's a way to let the future administration know that we are unhappy. The fact that 4.6 million signed this should be concerning to Trump. And if it doesn't, we'll need to start objecting a little louder until we are heard.
The government should be afraid of the citizens, not the other way around. Even when things are going well, our leaders need to be nervous enough to work to keep it that way. And when they're bad? They should be downright terrified.
I completely agree. The first days after the election people made their displeasure heard. No matter how smug Trump and the GOP acted, they both didn't like the optics and they were scared. There will be protests in mid-Jan. But we need to make our displeasure heard and seen whenever we can, starting now and not stopping over these next four years. These people work for us. They need to be reminded of that.
DeleteI also posted about how ticked I am that the Dems aren't showing fight when it comes to the Louisiana Senate runoff that is taking place after this weekend. So what if the Dem candidate is way behind in the polls. I'm sick of the Dems not acting because the polls say it isn't worth the time and effort and money and fight. It is. It makes a difference. If the Dems keep making excuses not to show the kind of fight they once did, no one will want to fight with them. Things used to be so different. Every time the Dems don't fight the valiant fight and sit things out, they suggest that they really are "elites." I hate that word and how it's always thrown around and I do not see us as elitist, but we need to start acting now to show everyone that we are not, in fact, elitist.
Six million before Dec. 19th?
DeleteI hope they make their goal.
I hope they exceed their goal.
Let there be 10 MILLION signatures by December 19th.
Will it make any difference?
Hell no.
Petitions are useless.
But it will be documented how many MORE people than Hillary's lead in the popular vote are alarmed by Donald Trump, that the Electoral College could have stopped it but didn't.
It will be our own version of Brexit Regrexit.
Regrump.
Regretrump?
Whatever.
One can only imagine what the liberal response would be if Trump supporters would do the same thing if Clinton had won.
ReplyDeleteThe Clinton camp wants to ignore the Constitution just because they lost. Crybaby isn't good enough, anti-American and anti-Constitution is what they are. Take some self inventory Democrats.
But NO! Instead you put Polosi back in leadership. You just don't get it!
So Clinton goes down in history as the biggest political loser ever!
The Democratic response to that is to denounce the Constitution. Good move, NOT!!
Re the Constitution, sorry, but you're way off base.
DeleteAnd as far as Pelosi goes, the Dems need someone with all the knowledge and connections she has. To simply throw out all the experience and start anew would mean taking a decade or more to ever regain what we've lost. What she now needs to do is to make sure that some younger Dems are also in positions that get them plenty of experience and recognition, and I believe this is what will happen.
Everyone was prepared for Trump to scream, shout and name call if he lost. Of course he is doing it after he won. You act as if people are doing something illegal in the recount. As there are laws that allow this---what is your problem?
DeleteWhat are you afraid of? Her 2.5 million popular vote lead that means nothing-- except more voters wanted her to be president but got the orange shitgibbon?
Why is the Trump camp and people like you so freaked out about something that is checking voting integrity. I don't remember Hilary Clinton screaming when she lost.
Actually, Trump is now going down as the biggest political loser who won--self dealing, screwing up foreign policy, not putting his businesses in a blind trust, tweeting like a psychopath things about jailing people who do things that are constitutionally protected. (Talk about denouncing the Constitution).
So your hysterical response is a bit humorous.
Actually,it's your blowhard pussy grabber who has denounced the Constitution,in multiple statements.too bad he and you have no idea what it says.
DeleteAnon. 10:13
DeleteThe libs are saying Trump is an illegitimate winner because Clinton won the popular vote - that's ignoring the Constitution.
Angela,
Got to love liars who put words in my mouth. Please show me where I said any of this is illegal? You are the laughing stock! Hillary goes down as the biggest loser in political history! She couldn't even beat a racist bigot!
Thanks for ASSuming I'm a Trump person, it proves you are full of it and that goes for Anon. 12:46.
They're doing it now even though they WON!
Delete"It kind of makes me wonder how many of them were third party voters or former Bernie Bros who decided to sit this one out and are now desperate to somehow repair the damage done by their ignorance about the political system."
ReplyDeleteAnd THIS is why most of your threads have 20 comments or less. Keep pissing on a segment of IMers.
9:26 AM - Are you a Tramp supporter that can't stand the truth? For lies and idiocy you will need to go someplace besides this blog. You can't even count accurately so....
DeletePlease. The Bernie people are always trashing everyone who isn't for Bernie and they're obnoxious as hell to the rest of us. When we try speaking so as to exchange ideas with respect, there is only immaturity on the Bernie fans' part.
DeleteI am not going to speak with respect to someone who speaks with such a rude sense of superiority (the rest of us have all been young and full of fire, so we get it, but there's no reason to be obnoxious).
And that continued attitude toward fellow posters here tells me that indeed the Bernie voters think their shit doesn't stink and they never did get out there on Nov. 8 to vote. They want things all their way. Well, now they have Trump to deal with.
And when it's time to get out there and vote four years from now, if the Bernie fans don't have Bernie out there again or a new Bernie replica, they'll again sit on their whiny asses and not vote, and Trump will be in office another four years.
Even if you and other Bernie people have an issue with G, you talk to all the other posters with such venom and as a result no one wants to have a real exchange with you. It's not just about G. You Bernie people come on here with your slash and burn ways and you get nowhere. You just destroy any chance at a useful exchange of ideas. That is unhelpful immaturity. And it will never win liberals back the WH.
DeleteThe truth hurts? You took your toys and went home without voting because you were mad at an internet blogger? Now you have to live through 4 years of a conman pussy grabber blowhard as president because you and others like you were that juvenile?
DeleteEnough with the Bernie Bros.
DeleteTHEY DIDN'T LOSE THE ELECTION!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-hillary-clinton-lost-podcast_us_58420694e4b017f37fe4c532?2zhcdjat0gtxei2j4i
"In an era of extreme economic inequality, the votes are where the money isn’t ― the working class. Writing off the white working class is a pretty bad way to start, especially if the party can’t run up the score with the black and brown working class. And the Clinton campaign didn’t run up the score. Trump ― who opened his campaign by deriding Mexicans as “rapists” ― outperformed Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign among black and Latino voters.
Being pro white working class doesn’t mean being anti-brown working class. True, Bill Clinton campaigned on white working-class grievances against the black and brown working class, and he governed with tragic results (welfare reform, the crime bill). But Obama aggressively courted working-class voters of all colors with a populist economic assault straight out of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s campaigns. Obama’s entire 2012 message was devoted to trashing Romney as a corporate raider who said “corporations are people.” Obama ran ads blasting Romney’s tax-dodging Cayman Islands investment funds. The Obama campaign relentlessly touted the Detroit auto bailout as a win for working people. At the time, nobody in the Democratic Party’s chattering class saw a conflict between the first black president courting black voters and white working-class voters at the same time. Today, we are told that “identity politics” and “economic justice” are incompatible.
This is ridiculous. But it’s not fair to blame it all on the Clinton campaign. Democratic elites cleared the nomination field for a candidate who was being criminally investigated by the FBI, a woman with a nine-figure net worth who was still pursuing six-figure Wall Street speeches when she announced her presidential bid. Her “identity politics” record with the black and brown working class was awful. She had supported her husband’s racist welfare reform and crime legislation, and warned against the threat of black “super-predators.” The problems weren’t all ancient ’90s history. In 2014, Clinton said that child refugees seeking asylum in the United states “should be sent back.” And, you know, the Iraq war thing.
All of this was obvious to the Democratic Party, which plowed ahead anyway, insisting that anyone who wasn’t on board with the first woman president was a vile sexist.
“Stronger together,” in retrospect, was a pretty good campaign theme. It’s too bad the Clinton camp didn’t think it applied to people living below the median household income."
Dan Rather and the 'typeset'>{th}.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/theDanRather/posts/10157810937485716
NDT"dark matter/energy is the abyss of ignorance and
Delete95-96% of EVERYTHING is just that,driving the universe"
Matter is the primary stuff that creates the physical universe.
Energy = Information= Computations
(bits)
E=mc2
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19-4a78160a-023c-4ff0-9069-53cee2a095a8/share?after_sign_exp=default&just_signed=true
ReplyDeleteThey should have called it "Anyone but Trump"
DeleteThe electors aren't going to vote for Hillary.
We need to use the popular vote. It would change politics in this country. California, Texas and New York would sure have a whole lot of traffic during campaign season. But you couldn't just count certain states out.
ReplyDeleteEvery vote would count. Every last one of them.
How depressing it must be to be a democrat in Oklahoma or a republican in New York and know your presidential vote will never get you anything.
Even if Electors don't change their votes, this is NOT a waste of time. How much time does it take, anyway?
ReplyDeleteI have come to think that many of those who voted Trump did it as simply a giant third finger to gov't in general, not realizing that he could win, and certainly not realizing that their interests would be trashed by Trump, as we have seen since the election.
So I do think many people might have changed their mind. Maybe not enough, but MANY.
Secondly, the recounting of the vote: credible experts say it has no chance of changing the outcome, but I say let's see what it yields. I donated, and I do not consider it a waste of my money to verify that the election was fair. Fair re Russian intervention, fair re the count, fair in any other way.
Nothing wrong with confirming something as important as an election. Eep with donated money.
Right on. And love your second paragraph.
DeleteI donated too. But the main thing is, I voted. I want to know that vote was treated properly. Not fucked with, not stored in a box as backup, not disregarded in any way.
DeleteI voted too, and I agree. And from the hints and bits that appeared at first, I think there might be some surprises in store for us all.
DeleteAnd those who did not vote would be interested also, one would think. It might encourage them to vote next time. But either way, they are citizens too, and they deserve to know.
Right now, I think what's needed is for the Dems not to think of something as a waste of time but to have the Dem voice out there. Out there.
ReplyDeleteWe keep hearing that the Dems didn't get into the small towns enough and make it heard that they care about the little guy and economy. I think a lot of us assumed--and I think we had good reason to--that other Dems all over would naturally remember what the party stands for and that it is the party of the little guy. But I think we need to show some fight.
Really. I was ticked when the big Dems didn't support Murphy enough in FLA and then word got out that the Dems were pulling money from FLA--of course that sent a bad message to the voters there, but then at least someone (I don't recall who) stepped in and donated money at the last minute to help Murphy. And now there is a runoff for Senate in Louisiana. The Repub is ahead in the polls, but so what. We should be there supporting the Dem. Mike Pence is going there. The Dems are acting like they are dead. They need to show that they have fight in them and that they will fight even when the chips are down. We used to always do that! Geez!
We need to show signs that we are already looking ahead, too. Every chance we get, we should be making it clear that we are the party of the people. But the moves like the ones I've just described make us look like we haven't the heart. We are now in the position of needing to be the little engine that could. We need to win people's hearts and minds with that perseverance.
I don't know why Howard Dean really pulled out as running for DNC chair. Maybe it was because since Pelosi won as minority House leader they decided to go with young fresh blood as the DNC chair. Maybe there was a compromise made. Old blood and new blood, which I personally encourage. I like Howard though and he had said that he really wants to go back to the grassroots 50-state kind of Dems we were before. I think that needs to start right now. But by not showing any fight, we are just letting the GOP continue to craft their lie that they are for the little guy. The next election, the 2018 one, is starting now. I find it so disappointing that the Dems are just writing off going to LA.
Speaking of the DNC, this makes Ellison the front runner for that chair. I like him but think it is a mistake. We need someone new but with a wider appeal. And on TV they're already running an old 2010 clip of him sounding anti-Israel. Whatever my own feelings are regarding Israel/the Palestinians, the last thing we need is the Dems being easily exploited and the GOP making us look like we're for Muslin extremism (the GOP's favorite topic) and against Israel.
Yes. We will soon need to move past the inauguration and there isn't a moment to waste. Where is the Liberal Redneck from? He totally needs to run for office
DeleteDems populate the cities and drive the economy and technology and creativity. Do we also have to be responsible for the little guy in the small town? I'm beginning to wonder, as the little guy has quite a nasty bite.
Delete@11:44 He is going to FOX
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http://deadline.com/2016/12/fox-buys-comedy-liberal-redneck-comedian-trae-crowder-1201863081/
"Dems populate the cities and drive the economy and technology and creativity."
DeleteThat is probably the most stupidity I've ever read crammed in one sentence, ever! Hahahaa! What a stupid little liberal fart smeller. So stupid and foolish you don't even know it. What a complete dumbass.
Hey 1:09, this Trumps for YOU!!
Very weird ballots showing up with every DEM voted for except Hilary... VERY weird.
ReplyDeleteYes.
DeleteBeen telling you IMers for the last year that A LOT of democrats absolutely despise Hillary, but deaf ears here in the echo chamber lol.
DeleteNot really.
DeleteJust as some Republicans voted for Republicans down ballot but couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump and left it blank, some Democrats did the same thing and left president blank rather than vote for Hillary.
Why is it so many can't accept the fact that there were plenty of voters that didn't like Hillary and some didn't vote for her even though they voted Democratic down ticket?
Does anyone know if a petition is out there asking Obama to release the intel info that some Dems in Congress said, in their request letter this week, that they want released to the public re the Russian hacking? If there's a petition or letter that we the citizens can sign asking that those Congress people's wish be granted, I'd like to sign.
ReplyDeleteThe news acts like Trump knows about diplomatic relations. Every fuck up he makes the Republicans tries to make it into he did it on purpose.
ReplyDeleteYeah, as if he is so sly and getting ready to kick ass. Too, HuffPo just reminded me when there that his SIL's paper is going to be publishing so much pro-Trump garbage. Between it, the Enquirer, Breitbart,and anything Fox, and with the MSM probably continuing to act cowardly, we are doomed!
DeleteThe combination of this Elector petition, the recount, the Russian influence, the Clinton popular vote, Trump's actions since the election -- all will influence our future.
ReplyDeleteFor example, if the Electors end up DOING THE RIGHT THING, it might reaffirm that the founding fathers got it right, and that the Electors helped the country and the world, big time.
Or maybe the Electors are too spineless, and I suppose that would add to the wish to get rid of the Electoral College.
I believe that potentially the Electors are paid off under the table. If not, and they actually vote for the good of the people, they will get bullied by tRump supporters afterwards. So much so, that they potentially will lose their jobs and maybe also their friends and/or even their lives.
DeleteThe Secret Service renting a floor or two of Trump Tower for as much as $3 million a year? Not happening, the agency says...
ReplyDeleteMelania Trump’s decision to stay with 10-year-old Barron at the family’s triplex penthouse means the skyscraper will need permanent new fortifications, and plans to protect Trump’s four adult children will force an already short-staffed agency ramp up its ranks.
“Operating in Manhattan is expensive, and the fact that the Secret Service has to pay, by law, for office space on protectees’ residences, plane tickets on protectees’ planes, there’s a dollar figure that I don’t think you can really estimate right now,” said Donald Mihalek, head of the Secret Service division of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association.
The biggest variable, Secret Service veterans say, is how much time Trump himself will actually spend in New York....
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/secret-service-faces-massive-bill-for-protecting-trump-232153
Let's say Sears Roebuck corporate headquarters is in Chicago but the person who is applying for the CEO job refuses to leave Hawaii. What the fuck is he even doing even applying for the job?
ReplyDeleteTrump doesn't want to leave his golden palace and move to Washington DC then fuck off.
One would think the symbolism (and reality) of not moving into the White House might be one of many things the Electors would notice and think about, before casting their vote on Dec 19.
DeleteI used to think that signing the petition and the recount were a waste of time and fueled the "sore loser" narrative. Now I've changed my mind. Any time something Anti-Donald gets a lot of attention, signatures, or donations his fragile ego gets bruised. Then he, yet again, makes an ass of himself. Each time this happens hopefully a few more people have their eyes opened as to how unstable he really is. While I don't think that any results will end up changed, I do think that these are worthwhile endeavors.
ReplyDeleteVery very worthwhile IMO.
Delete+++
DeleteHey, we had terrible choices. Both republican and democrat candidates had massive baggage. And Bernie sold hats made in china, green and independent party non exciting. Need young generations to get involved. And boomers must help them succeed and not forget history.
ReplyDeleteIn this post-fact world, we might want to reconsider whether Hill was as corrupt as Trump and his Trumpeters say she was. I say she was not. And she looks like a golden choice to me now (I voted for her, although pre-Trump I was not enchanted with her, like I am with, say, Eliz Warren).
Delete12:05, I completely agree. And anyone in the MSM who is truly reputable has said the same and has expressed such dismay that what Hillary did was weighed as the same as what Trump did and even as more.
DeleteIt was ridiculous how the MSN just kept going on and on about the emails as if it was the worst possible crime. Yesterday I lost it with Chris Matthews, too. He said something on his show about how what she did was way overblown, but he was always saying before the election "Hillary needs to" come out and explain things and he wouldn't let up, and every time she did explain things he'd still say she needed to explain. Then he said yesterday that she never should have acted as if she owed an explanation and should have taken a different attitude when people kept piling on her. I was watching Matthews and thinking WTF???
Way I see it, we didn't have terrible;e choices. If I just look at experience, intelligence, and capability, I see nothing wrong with Hillary. I see everything wrong with Trump. And negatives Hillary had should have been seen as at a minor, not major, level, whereas Trump's negatives should have been seen as major ones. That distinction needed to be pushed and pushed. So many people out there made them the same and harped and harped on Hillary's minor issues and made them into major ones.
Delete12:05.
DeleteIt doesn't matter if her baggage wasn't as bad as Trump's.
Both had highly unfavorables and the Democrats knew it before they foisted her off as the candidate.
They should have chosen someone without the baggage, with better favorables and who as more in tune with the people and less a friend of Wall Street.
The Democratic leadership fucked up royally.
Until they admit it and overhaul their leadership nothing is going to change.
I'm watching what they'll do before voting for a new chair and it doesn't look good. Schumer and Pelosi are busy destroying Keith Ellison and Howard Dean has dropped out. The old guard are solidifying their positions and nothing is going to change.
I may be re-registering Peace and Freedom come April.
I so wanted Sherrod Brown as Hillary's veep choice but understood not choosing him because of Kasich appointing another GOP senator. Still, if Hillary had chosen him she'd be in the WH in January and Sherrod Brown would be a great VP (not that Kaine wouldn't--I also love Kaine) and could run for pres next (by then, anyone questioning Brown's rough exterior wouldn't anymore).
ReplyDeleteBecause the Dems so wanted to keep Brown in as OH senator, it pisses me off even more that they didn't fight for Murphy enough in FLA. They wanted to try winning the senate and yet didn't think Murphy was worth it. Well, now it appears, with Trump in there and all the white working class believing he's their man, it will be up to someone like Brown to run for pres, so he'd lose that senate seat anyway. Kasich has to leave because of term limits in Ohio in 2018 and I think that Ohio should work on finding someone to run for that spot. Brown’s seat will also be up for reelection. Maybe he’ll run for pres and OH will end up with another GOP senator and also Gov. (there used to be so many Dems in Ohio but right now all I see as possibly winning is Marcy Kaptur), but I really think that at some point Brown needs to run for pres or be someone’s veep pick.
I can’t see Brown and Eliz Warren both running on a ticket. They’re too similar. Maybe Mark Warner and Brown or Warner and Warren as a ticket could work. Or Warner and Corey Booker. Or Brown and Booker.
My husband voted for Trump. We had many heated discussions before and since the election. He now has voter's remorse big time. He voted for him, as someone said, to give a big middle finger to Washington. Now he thinks Trump is dangerous. I told him I am just going to sit back and watch the destruction and then say,I TOLD YOU SO!! I'm NOT that type of person in general but this time.....
ReplyDeleteGood for you!
DeleteBut you should be doing it now. Every time Trump sticks his foot in it.
Like Taiwan phone call. TOLD YOU SO!
DeVos religion in schools. TOLD YOU SO!
Every time until he cries uncle.
I'll bet he isn't the only voter who has remorse over voting for Trump. But we warned them. It's Brexit all over. They had remorse right after their vote. Now we've got the same thing going on here.
As far as I'm concerned, they voted for him, they bought him. It's open season on ridicule and humiliation of the stupid.
Sorry, your husband is an idiot, but you know that.
Delete" convince Americans that voting third party or sitting out elections opens the door for the very worst candidates to win an election that they have no business winning"
ReplyDeleteWhat a load. Look, if you need to blame someone other than Clinton and the DNC, who should be shouldering a heaping helping of them blame for this, why aren't you blaming people who voted for Trump? Blame the white women who voted for Trump; Blame the college-educated people who voted for Trump; Blame the people who didn't vote: They far outnumber the people who voted 3rd party.
By the way, where the fuck is Hillary Clinton? Bernie Sanders is out there swinging for us and Hillary Clinton is - where? Still hiding under the covers?
Oh you are so silly, Bernie is still a senator and it is his job to be out there.
DeleteHillary is a private citizen, what in the hell do you expect her to be doing?
Analysts have said over and over it wasn't the third party voters that lost the election for Hillary. But they don't want to listen because then they would have to admit that Hillary was a flawed choice and the campaign was run poorly.
Deletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-hillary-clinton-lost-podcast_us_58420694e4b017f37fe4c532?2zhcdjat0gtxei2j4i
"In an era of extreme economic inequality, the votes are where the money isn’t ― the working class. Writing off the white working class is a pretty bad way to start, especially if the party can’t run up the score with the black and brown working class. And the Clinton campaign didn’t run up the score. Trump ― who opened his campaign by deriding Mexicans as “rapists” ― outperformed Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign among black and Latino voters.
Being pro white working class doesn’t mean being anti-brown working class. True, Bill Clinton campaigned on white working-class grievances against the black and brown working class, and he governed with tragic results (welfare reform, the crime bill). But Obama aggressively courted working-class voters of all colors with a populist economic assault straight out of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s campaigns. Obama’s entire 2012 message was devoted to trashing Romney as a corporate raider who said “corporations are people.” Obama ran ads blasting Romney’s tax-dodging Cayman Islands investment funds. The Obama campaign relentlessly touted the Detroit auto bailout as a win for working people. At the time, nobody in the Democratic Party’s chattering class saw a conflict between the first black president courting black voters and white working-class voters at the same time. Today, we are told that “identity politics” and “economic justice” are incompatible.
This is ridiculous. But it’s not fair to blame it all on the Clinton campaign. Democratic elites cleared the nomination field for a candidate who was being criminally investigated by the FBI, a woman with a nine-figure net worth who was still pursuing six-figure Wall Street speeches when she announced her presidential bid. Her “identity politics” record with the black and brown working class was awful. She had supported her husband’s racist welfare reform and crime legislation, and warned against the threat of black “super-predators.” The problems weren’t all ancient ’90s history. In 2014, Clinton said that child refugees seeking asylum in the United states “should be sent back.” And, you know, the Iraq war thing.
All of this was obvious to the Democratic Party, which plowed ahead anyway, insisting that anyone who wasn’t on board with the first woman president was a vile sexist.
“Stronger together,” in retrospect, was a pretty good campaign theme. It’s too bad the Clinton camp didn’t think it applied to people living below the median household income."
And you know what? Democratic losses will repeat in 2018 and 2020 because the Democratic leadership will NOT acknowledge their part in the loss and will not change to avoid it in the future. They're just going to double down on what they've already been doing.
Just look at Pelosi and Schumer out to destroy Keith Ellison as chair of the Democratic Party.
Trump is the winner, get over it and more on with your lives. Your petition will change nothing, only 157 electors in history have changed their votes to go against the party that won. So yeah, good luck with that DEMs. http://www.fairvote.org/faithless_electors - give that a read
ReplyDeleteTRUMP WON, all you keyboard warriors need to simmer down now. HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT AND WILL NOT EVER BE IN THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT. You can polish your turd candidate all you want, she's still a piece of shit. :)
ReplyDeleteAre you trying to convince yourself?
DeleteTrump still has not won the Electoral College, maybe he is in for a bigly December surprise.
He may want to lose, after all it appears he is in way over his head.
Art of the Con isn't going to save him.
You can polish your turd candidate all you want, she's still a piece of shit. :)
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As the saying goes, it takes one to know one.
No there will be no surprise, your petition calls for 149 faithless electors.. Good luck with all that, may as well batten down the hatches b/c Clinton doesn't have a chance in hell.
Delete4:06 - Are you referring to yourself?
DeletePresident Trump! Your President!
DeleteNever my president Trmp. Never. He is a mysogynist, racist, sexual predator. Not my president.
DeleteThis Blog is quite biased haha
ReplyDeleteIt's a BLOG, not a news network.
DeleteIt can be as biased as it wants.
You know, like Breitbart which actually tries to pass itself off as news.
Somehow I have the feeling trump is going to keep on running his businesses and use the excuse that it would cost him too much in taxes to do otherwise.
ReplyDeleteTo bad his ego is bigger than his brain, he should have thought this out before dragging us into the gutter/swamp.
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Trump's tax nightmare
President-elect Donald Trump’s unwillingness to give up his far-flung real estate empire by selling it off or giving it outright to his children may be driven by a factor he has yet to mention publicly: a potentially staggering tax bill triggered by such a transaction.
“It could be billions,” said David Herzig, a tax law professor at Valparaiso University. “People are saying, ‘Oh well, don’t worry,’ but you could be looking at the potential of billions of dollars in tax liability.”
Trump -- who with his army of lawyers is examining his options ahead of a mid-December promised rollout of a plan to clarify the blurred lines between his business and political interests -- could put off paying part of those taxes by taking advantage of a law permitting a tax-free trade to comply with federal conflict-of-interest rules, but there are legal questions about whether Trump is eligible for it.
To take advantage of the provision, he might have to sign an executive order qualifying himself—an action that would surely generate a barrage of criticism that he was giving himself a big tax break......
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-tax-nightmare-232158
I have to wonder if Trump is told by all of the lawyers that he has to divest and by doing so it will cost him billions in taxes...if he'll decide that the business advantages of being president do NOT outway the negatives of selling or passing on his businesses to his children.
DeleteTHAT might be the one factor that gets him to resign or in some way decline before the inauguration.
If there is one thing Trump loves as much as himself, it's money.
If he has to choose between his money/businesses and the presidency, he'll choose the money.
But don't put it past him to try to have both. Remember, he has both the House and Senate. They're not going to impeach him and won't investigate any conflicts of interest. They've already said as much.