A leading psychiatry group has told its members they should not feel bound by a longstanding rule against commenting publicly on the mental state of public figures — even the president.
The statement, an email this month from the executive committee of the American Psychoanalytic Association to its 3,500 members, represents the first significant crack in the profession’s decades-old united front aimed at preventing experts from discussing the psychiatric aspects of politicians’ behavior. It will likely make many of its members feel more comfortable speaking openly about President Trump’s mental health.
The impetus for the email was “belief in the value of psychoanalytic knowledge in explaining human behavior,” said psychoanalytic association past president Dr. Prudence Gourguechon, a psychiatrist in Chicago. “We don’t want to prohibit our members from using their knowledge responsibly.”
That responsibility is especially great today, she told STAT, “since Trump’s behavior is so different from anything we’ve seen before” in a commander in chief.
An increasing number of psychologists and psychiatrists have denounced the restriction as a “gag rule” and flouted it, with some arguing they have a “duty to warn” the public about what they see as Trump’s narcissism, impulsivity, poor attention span, paranoia, and other traits that, they believe, impair his ability to lead.
As I have mentioned before I work in the mental health community, it is indeed frowned upon to just start calling people retard, crazy, or a psycho. Even IF those labels perfectly describe them.
However in all seriousness, Donald Trump is a crazy retarded psycho.
This is a guy who once pretended to be his own spokesperson.
He sits in trucks and does this.
THAT'S not normal.
He has the lowest approval ratings in the history of approval ratings, and he seriously seems to think that we should consider putting his giant head on Mt. Rushmore.
There are people currently in rubber rooms with less psychotic thinking than that.
So yes, we need the psychiatric community to weigh in and explain why Trump does what he does, thinks what the thinks, and is potentially capable of doing or thinking next.
Trump isn't the only person you've referred to yourself as "crazy", etc in the past. No fan of Trump or any Republican but you've broken that rule early and often.
ReplyDeleteOh I just said it was frowned upon.
DeleteI have no personal rule against calling a crazy person crazy.
And we have dealt with many of them here on IM.
Crazy is just a word. It doesn't really relay how serious or dangerous a sick mind can be. People say how crazy my sister is, how crazy my dog, James T. Hodgkinson is crazy or the president is crazy. It doesn't say much about any of them. It just means a person is flummoxed and can't express much more at that time.
Delete"A leading psychiatry group has told its members they should not feel bound by a longstanding rule against commenting publicly on the mental state of public figures — even the president." that is a good thing. It will promote deeper and meaningful discussion. IMO I think most Americans do see that Trump is a toothless incompetent trying to chew up his enemies, paranoia is a hellish state of being. Due to the electoral college system, a crazy paranoid is in a position of power. Most Americans can see and they realized he has a sick mind and he can and is doing great harm. Call it crazy or whatever you like, it needs to be discussed.
Hey there are many "crazy" professionals. They could be athletes, scientist, doctors, lawyers, developers, Generals, Ranch hands, handyman, etc. But!
DeleteWhen describing mr trump and his mean bully lying hateful dangerous mob clinically diagnosed mental issue it is a different kind of crazy. And in this case a matter of the Danger, Life, Death, destruction, obstruction of America.
People who surf 40 ft waves are crazy. People who scale sky scrapers are crazy, Rodeo clowns are crazy. America calls trump organization and loyalist behavior clinical mental illness. The hate and division, the fake news, the lying all directly causing harm to our infants, youth and adults of this country and around globe. And directly wasting our tax dollars and time, we have urgent infrastructure and security issues and this mental mess ass has meltdowns daily. America prays for relief. America prays for the Mueller Team investigation to put an end to this outrageously dangerous scam of lying, bad behavior and actions of trump and his enablers. America is better and deserves better. We teach our children honesty and respect to all. We are not and will not be the trumps victim nor allow this asshole to twist our constitution. Resist and Demand the Resignation today of mr trump and his appointments.
There's crazy and then there's sociopathic malignant narcissist.
DeleteThere's a difference between the common crazy of every day life and the extreme mental deviation that could harm this country.
A must read...
ReplyDeleteWe've Lost to President Trump
http://potusstaff.com/why-we-lost-to-president-trump.html
This article is depressing but unfortunately I think true... it lays out why and how trump will stay in power (mostly likely 8 yrs) - and bottom line a lot of it is because too many of democrats are using the chaos of the White House as a fundraising excuse but only "talking" about the problem not taking action
Excerpt From Rogue POTUS Staff
" We hoped that the power of democracy would be able to influence the outcome of this administration one way or another. In many ways this administration has turned out worse than even our pessimistic fears could have imagined. And somehow, our efforts have become weighed down in a thick partisan fog against a mutually corrupt oppositional leadership. "
6:19. I don't think trump will live another 8 years, much less 4. He will have a heart attack any day now with his weight issues and diet and the fact he doesn't see a doctor on a regular basis except that yoked out hippy he paid to say he was the healthiest president ever "cough cough".
DeleteI disagree completely. Trump will not last out the year. It may get worst before better but he will not survive the outcome.
DeleteWell, DUH!
DeleteYou know what Perez, Schumer and the DCC have decided are their main platform for the next election?
Antitrust. Seriously, that's their big message. Like people care? Like the average person is going to understand the complexity of that? Oh, but they're going to "educate" them and make them care? Really? SERIOUSLY? Like that worked so well in 2016.
What *should* their next platform be?
HEALTHCARE!
How about this for a slogan "Democrats: the party that isn't trying to kill you."
or
"Democrats: We gave you health insurance and we can make it better."
Geez, just about anything but that crap they decided on.
And it isn't even JOBS specifically. Aside from the fact JOBS was all 2016.
Once again the Democrats are living in the 90s and failing to listen and failing to act. They have no guts and no backbone. They've having a tea party in the middle of a knife fight. They are clueless.
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/dccc-slogans-mocked-online/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449273/dcccs-tone-deaf-bumper-stickers-leave-democrats-facing-reelection-their-own
And they simply don't know what they're doing. They're relying on "trends" and "polls" instead of really doing the work.
I want fucking Howard Dean back. He knew how to win.
Power Hungry.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/your-mental-ineptitude-is-mind-blowing-internet-erupts-after-trump-promotes-ny-times-article-that-mocks-him/
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/27/trump-full-drama-queen-communication-director-call-cnn-mad.html
ReplyDeleteTRUMP VOWS PAYBACK
ReplyDeleteTrump Reportedly Seeking Revenge On Alaska Over Health Care Vote
The Alaska Dispatch News reported Wednesday night that Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke called Murkowski and fellow Alaskan Sen. Dan Sullivan (R) after Tuesday’s health care vote to let them know her position had put some of their state-specific projects in jeopardy ― particularly those pertaining to energy.
Sullivan told the outlet that Zinke’s phone call carried a “troubling message,” and the interior secretary made it clear to him that the call was in response to Murkowski voting no on the motion to proceed on Tuesday.
She was only one of two Republicans, along with Sen. Susan Collins (Maine), to break from party lines on the vote.
While Murkowski did not respond to Alaska Dispatch News’ requests for comment regarding the phone call, the senator seemed unfazed by the president’s attempts at publicly shaming her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-reportedly-seeking-revenge-on-alaska-over-health-care-vote_us_59798ffee4b02a8434b3e23b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
Question. Is Murkowski taking this stand to enhance her chances in being reelected by Alaskans? Seems likely to me. Sorry, I don't trust her - never have!
DeleteGee, Alaska has become the enemy and must be punished. (Trump Is Reportedly Seeking Revenge On Alaska - Murkowski)
DeleteLove and support pour in for cancer stricken elder Senator John McCain, from Hollywood to Washington, reactions flood into social media. In a half ass way his former team mate made an obligatory effort to stay relevant and she joined the crowd with her comment. (She is another representative of Alaskan politics).
Compatriots on a 2008 ticket to the White House, Senator McCain lifted Sarah Palin and her family up to heights they could never live up to, the entire family did more to bring the McCains down and into disgrace than McCain himself did during his public careers. Yet all she can do at a critical time for the McCain family is an obligation? She reeks of I don't care if the old fool dies now. There is not a colder former running mate in the history of the USA. Bristol, who is a daughter, like Meghan, obviously has ice running through her veins and no thought about her former sister of another mother. She is too busy selling a diet tea on social media. Meghan was more than a bff, she was a true believer, and there for Bristol at a time her mother was displaying the then teen like a freak in a freak show.
As her body was telling one story while the propaganda and rhetoric told another. Meghan McCain was there for Bristol while the whole Palin family was making her father look like a senile and incompetent old loser.
Bristol at last did get what she needed, someone to be in a father role in some kind of marriage that could pass for legit, someone to deflect from all the bastards she would birth. That would have never happened if not for the McCains. The former Marine that was found for Bristol would have never cared to partner with a non-political group. He has political aspirations and a long list of promotional ideas. His shady past is ripe with fraud where much deflection is necessary. He needed political clout, it is a dream job to merge with the name recognition he admires.
He is now busy saving humanity by his fearless and tireless work #ownthedash https://www.facebook.com/SgtDakotaMeyer/posts/1374184265954744
'ISIS and human traffickers are cowards, plain and simple.' Dakota Meyer.
He is doing something about it since he has taken on two girls to raise with Bristol Palin, they are his motivation for a favorite project. It is a win win marriage for the two tasteless troupers, and all thanks to the McCains for giving Palins a kick start into the world of celebrity and infamy.
"Human traffickers are cowards. Period." Dakota Meyer
https://www.facebook.com/InternationalHarbor/posts/1279517818779647
Murkowski Responds To Trump Admin Threat: I’m ‘Strong And Independent’
DeleteMurkowski’s colleague, Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-AK), had earlier told the Alaska Dispatch News that Zinke called him and threatened to retaliate against the state over the senators’ vote on Obamacare repeal. He noted that Zinke also spoke with Murkowski.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/murkowski-response-report-
interior-threat
Democrats demand investigation of ‘political blackmail’ against Murkowski
The top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee said Thursday he will request a formal investigation into whether Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke threatened projects important to Alaska in retribution for Sen. Lisa Murkowski's vote against health care legislation.
Zinke called Murkowski and fellow Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan Wednesday afternoon — a day after Murkowski voted against taking up the bill to repeal Obamacare — to warn them that the administration's support for energy projects in the state are now at risk, Sullivan told the Alaska Dispatch News. The "message was pretty clear," Sullivan said.
Citing that report, Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said Zinke had crossed the line.
“Running a department of the federal government means you serve the American people as a protector of their rights and freedoms,” Grijalva said in a statement. “It doesn’t mean you serve the president as a bag man for his political vendettas. Threatening to punish your rivals as political blackmail is something we’d see from the Kremlin. Secretary Zinke’s willingness to deliver these threats speaks volumes about his ethical standards and demonstrates that Interior’s policy positions are up for political grabs, rather than based on science or the public interest.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/lisa-murkowski-health-care-vote-natural-resources-blackmail-241031
Alaska is a tiny state. Under a million people live there. It would be easy for Trump to destroy them and it shouldn't take long if he can be Trump and do what he wants.
DeleteThank heavens! Trump's top Middle East aide ousted
Derek Harvey, an Iran hawk hired by Michael Flynn, is pushed out by H.R. McMaster.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/derek-harvey-trump-middle-east-adviser-dismissed-241037
Sessions going to El Salvador to talk about MS-13 gang
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/344094-sessions-going-to-el-salvador-to-talk-about-ms-13-gang
Trump vs MS-13, the war is on...
'I still think it would be nice to just force an all out total war between the MS13 and the neo-nazis and their KKK allies and then after they rip on each other use the military and SWAT to do mop-up on whatever is still standing if anything at all. I say that because during an all out war like that we would find out who their supporters are and FAST, they would all crawl out of the woodworks to keep the home fires burning while the other side throws buckets of water on it.
By far though the most under-reported today is the Mafia even though as others have said: they litterly OWN Russia. I would say the Russian mafia makes the MS13 look like a bunch of newborn babies crying for their mommies.'
Interesting writing 7:59 am. Bristol does not care about anyone except herself and proving something to Tripp's father. Bristol doesn't care if any one or none of her kids has a father. Sarah sold her on the smelly doofus MOH as a way to grift riches and keep her pampered lifestyle.
DeleteTo hell with MS-13 War. Total War on Reince Priebus
Deletehttp://www.thedailybeast.com/with-trumps-green-light-scaramucci-declares-total-war-on-reince-priebus
ReplyDeleteKellyanne Conway: Being Ethical Discourages Serving In Government
“We’ve all complied with those rules, but it has disincentivized good men and women,” she said, defending Anthony Scaramucci.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kellyanne-conway-anthony-scaramucci-leaks_us_5979dfa0e4b02a4ebb734573?ngk&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
wtf?
RESIST AND IMPEACH HIS SORRY FAT BUTT!
ReplyDeleteHe has ruined the Republican party and those that still support him in Congress are going to have a difficult time being reelected.
The fact nothing is being done to get this jerk out of office is mind boggling! He is ruining our country and making Americans angry, hateful and ugly!
Donald Trump is hardly the first mental case to make it in the American political and election system. It is about time psychologists and psychiatrists are free to speak up.
ReplyDeleteAgree. About time. There are so many before that needed psychologists and psychiatrists speaking up. While they can have different opinions, let them all have their say.
DeleteWhat comes to mind from the past is John McCain, he is still an influential opinion and doer in the senate. He initiated a way for a Trump to make it to power.
Had his mental condition been out lined with professional mental health doctors and workers, he may have saved us from enduring all the cover up of that nightmare experience.
McCain did lose but he went on to cover up the lies of what he did. He vetted Sarah Palin? If he did he was in on the fraud with her from the beginning. His lies about all that continue to keep doing harm. They are part of what is now destroying us. As well as shaming and making the USA a horrific threat in the world.
It would be a great boon if we could have deeper discussions and potentially get to a place where we could expose the sickness of the lies that keep us bound to the injustice and wrongs of McCain.
He is a fixer and he will fix his reputation and legacy. He is not about to reveal any misdoing or crimes he partners with. He is acting like he can return to work and he will overcome his aggressive cancer. He may or may not believe that. I think he wants to end the Palin legacy and go out as the warrior senator legacy.
That is a shame. No one should allow the truth to be obstructed and for the lies to win.
"a relentless innovator who somehow manages to keep coming up with shocking new ways to compel our attention, even when you think the whole shtick can’t get any crazier. Which, by the way, is pretty much the definition of an entertainer."
ReplyDelete"Both Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani, former prosecutors who can be counted as staunch Trump supporters, have said that Sessions had no choice but to recuse himself from the Russia investigation."Inside voice, Mr. President. Inside voice.
Then there’s this issue of loyalty, which Trump seems to value so highly in everyone else."Sessions took the “Make America Great Again” slogan that Trump slapped on a hat and gave it meaning in parts of the country where Trump could easily have seen the nomination slip away."uncompromisingly vouching for the candidate’s inner MORALity."Trump has now publicly charged that his own attorney general — the seventh public servant in the line of succession to the presidency — is weak, delinquent in his duties and damaging to the institution of the presidency. If that’s even partly true, the American legal system is in grave peril."He complains. He tweets. He talks smack and waits for someone else to act, like a high school kid too scared to break up with his girlfriend."
"man up and find the stones to fire him.
That’s what TV Donald Trump would have done. But this Trump we have now — the one with a real job in the real world — seems paralyzed by insecurity. "
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sessions-youre-kind-fired-maybe-090036173.html
Trump is a looney tune and an imbecile! U.S. Congress - majority Republicans - impeach him!
ReplyDeleteThis is what happens when the mentally ill become leaders. Leaders that have supporters like their party, Congress and Senate.
DeleteIt’s not only the military. Trump’s administration just took another big anti-LGBTQ step.
At a federal appeals court, the Justice Department just mounted a major assault on gay rights.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/7/27/16049306/trump-sessions-justice-department-lgbtq
He is too sick to maintain too long, I don't care how he goes, but replacing him with someone that will keep what he's done and is doing is not better.
God, but our nation is fucked, 7:35 AM! Time to get the Hell out of Dodge!
DeleteSome of us are elders and not able to dodge Trump's hell, 7:35.
DeleteWell then you should be relieved the answer to this clusterfuck takes care of the Elders for a living. Smirk.
DeleteIf Trump is crazy sick, what about this guy?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/07/25/colbert-meyers-noah-fallon-scaramucci-late-night-orig-vstan-cws.cnn/video/playlists/stories-worth-watching/
His mental state is on display and clearly needs to be dissected and discussed in detail by all, including experts.
‘car crash’ CNN interview
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/white-house-advisers-are-already-dumping-all-over-scaramuccis-latest-car-crash-cnn-interview/
Which one is more deranged? The guy that is the leader to be copied. Or the copy cat?
DeleteMonths ago I was screaming at the top of my lungs that he's a malignant narcissist (palin pales by comparison) and paranoid schizophrenic - just to begin with. I have the training to make those pronouncements.
ReplyDeleteKim Jong Un is sane by comparison.
No, Kim is just a high functioning maniac with anger fueling it. It doesn't help he was crucified as a kid. Makes a mark for some. Not for others. Depends on how one delegated authority, and how one seeks justice for what fuels his anger.Shrug.
DeleteI'm okay with calling him crazy also provided it's not used to write an excuse for the fact that he's fucking evil.
ReplyDeletePence: Millions losing health insurance is “the very essence of living in a free society”
ReplyDeletehttp://shareblue.com/pence-millions-losing-health-insurance-is-the-very-essence-of-living-in-a-free-society/
Trump’s plan backfires: Even Republicans blast him for bigoted military ban
http://shareblue.com/trumps-plan-backfires-even-republicans-blast-him-for-bigoted-military-ban/
Trump and Pence are a horrid team. Both are liars and one is a supposedly a strong Christian. How come he doesn't act like it?
DeleteTrump Goes Full Drama Queen And Makes His Communication Director Call CNN After He Gets Mad
ReplyDeleteInstead of running the country, Donald Trump is watching CNN and making the White House Communications Director call in when they say something that he doesn’t like.
Video clip of Scaramucci on CNN:
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/27/trump-full-drama-queen-communication-director-call-cnn-mad.html
http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Trump-cnn-debate-chin.jpg
ReplyDeleteThe best sign of good mental health is a good sense of humor.
ReplyDeleteYukkin’ It Up With John McCain: A Look Back
But how did McCain end up with his reputation as a straight-shooter to begin with? To find out, we took a look back at some of McCain’s funniest, savviest appearances on The Daily Show, where a generation of Americans somehow fell in love with him.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/07/26/yukkin_it_up_with_john_mccain_a_look_back.html
Trump’s transgender policy announcement caught many in both the military and in Congress by surprise. A report from Politico claimed that the president made a snap decision to announce a ban on trans service members after social conservatives in Congress threatened to withhold funds from his proposed border wall unless he barred them from military service.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/joint-chiefs-of-staff-tells-military-no-change-in-trans-policy-one-day-after-trump-abruptly-announces-ban/
And Scott Peters has a bill to cut appropriations if he does bar them.
DeleteTrump can't win.
And the Pentagon doesn't make policy based on tweets.
We've Lost to President Trump
ReplyDeletehttp://potusstaff.com/why-we-lost-to-president-trump.html
Jon Stewart Is Finally Returning To Your TV
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-stand-up-specials_us_5979dd1de4b0da64e876f1ac?t6h&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
Yay. And I have HBO.
DeleteMore than ever before military men in North America need Viagra. If nothing else it is a moral booster for good mental health.
ReplyDeleteThe military spends five times as much on Viagra as it would on transgender troops’ medical care
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/
Huge drop in men’s sperm levels confirmed by new study – here are the facts
Sperm count in men from North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand declined by 50-60% between 1973 and 2011, according to a new study from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Surprisingly, the study, which analysed data on the sperm counts of 42,935 men, found no decline in sperm counts in men from Asia, Africa and South America, although there was limited data from these areas.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/huge-drop-in-mens-sperm-levels-confirmed-by-new-study-here-are-the-facts/
Boxers versus briefs?
DeleteOr insecticides and GMOs?
BPA?
There are plenty of developers, business men and women that could successfully lead our nation. In the case of trump the developer, businessman, tv game show host, he has a documented lifetime of bad history. Bad bad, bad business, bad behavior, bad relationships, bad credit and bad bad bad bad liar. He does not fit. He does represent America. He is bad for business and bad for society.
ReplyDeleteTrump’s political decision to ban transgender military members is already backfiring
ReplyDeleteReportedly over border wall funding and electoral politics, the move confirms Trump’s stance on the issue — which could cost him.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-politics-trans-military-pawns-2ba49edbbbf9
After Feud, Fox Buys Full Page ‘Fox And Friends’ Ad In New York Times
ReplyDeletehttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/after-feud-fox-buys-full-page-color-fox-friends-advertisement-nyt
Maybe I'm just slow but what was the fucking point? They bought a full page ad to tout how important they are and showed it on air. "Look guys! See what I bought?! It says I'm awesome!"
Wak!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/27/move-reeks-mental-illness-trump-priebus-fire.html
It's not just Trump-"White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci is definitely communicating. He called up the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza to vent.
ReplyDeleteIn the process, he told Lizza that “Reince is a fucking paranoid schizophrenic, a paranoiac,” going on to say that he would be "fired very shortly."
Going off the rails completely, he continued:
“The swamp will not defeat him,” he said, breaking into the third person. “They’re trying to resist me, but it’s not going to work. I’ve done nothing wrong on my financial disclosures, so they’re going to have to go fuck themselves.”
Scaramucci also told me that, unlike other senior officials, he had no interest in media attention. “I’m not Steve Bannon, I’m not trying to suck my own cock,” he said, speaking of Trump’s chief strategist. “I’m not trying to build my own brand off the fucking strength of the President. I’m here to serve the country.” (Bannon declined to comment.)
He reiterated that Priebus would resign soon, and he noted that he told Trump that he expected Priebus to launch a campaign against him. “He didn’t get the hint that I was reporting directly to the President,” he said. “And I said to the President here are the four or five things that he will do to me.” His list of allegations included leaking the Hannity dinner and the details from his financial-disclosure form."
http://crooksandliars.com/2017/07/scaramucci-reince-fcking-paranoid
The Mooch is going to be out very soon.
DeleteI'd say he shares the Trump trait in that he is what he accuses others of.
He's the paranoid schizophrenic.
He's referring to himself in the third person.
I'd look into his financials asap.
He is *ALL* about media attention. He is absolutely selling his "brand." How much has he been all over the media. And he is the one that called this guy, not the other way around.
Priebus isn't resigning. Moochi is trying to undermine him and get him fired. I'm sure he's making stuff up and back stabbing Priebus in Trump's ear. After he gets rid of Priebus he'll go after Bannon. He's not content with being communications director. He wants their jobs.
We all know who the loose lip is in the White House. Scaramucci did it right on TV.
BTW Scaramuccia = Skirmish.