Sunday, September 10, 2017

The media is bitching about Hillary Clinton being whiny in her new book, but have you seen the book Bernie Sanders published right after the election?

So he is complaining because the Democratic party was quick to get behind the Democratic nominee who barely lost the primary the last time she ran?
So essentially Sanders is pissed that Hillary wrote a book giving him some of the blame for her loss, even though his book is ALL about blaming her and the Democratic party for his.

And that crap about him having a better chance up against Trump is pure bullshit.

Bernie was barely known in many places throughout the country, and this was an election where marquee names played a huge part in attracting votes.

That's like suggesting a poodle would have a better chance in a fight against Godzilla than King Kong.

And this book kerfuffle is not the only place where Sanders is running a cheese grater across Democratic nerves.

Courtesy of Politico:  

Prominent Democrats are increasingly riled by attacks from Bernie Sanders' supporters, whose demands for ideological purity are hurting the party ahead of the 2018 midterms and 2020 presidential election, they say. 

But it’s not just the outside agitators that Democratic lawmakers, operatives and activists are annoyed with: They’re tired of what they see as the Vermont senator’s hesitance to confront his own backers, either in public or through back channels. 

Tensions boiled over recently when a handful of Sanders loyalists bashed freshman Sen. Kamala Harris — a rising star in the party and potential 2020 hopeful — as an establishment tool. Democrats were also rankled that other prominent Sanders allies said support for single-payer health care should be a litmus test for candidates. 

In response, Democratic senators and outside groups have begun telling Sanders and friendly intermediaries that if he wants to be a leading figure for Democrats ahead of 2020’s presidential election, he needs to get his supporters in line — or at least publicly disavow their more incendiary statements. 

The confrontations, they insist, threaten party unity ahead of a critical midterm election cycle, when Democrats have a shot at winning the House and several governor’s offices. 

“The Democratic Party has treated Sen. Sanders exceptionally well. We collectively let him run in our primaries when he declared he wasn’t a Democrat — I count that as a great favor, and an opportunity almost no one else has ever received,” said former Democratic National Committee Chairman Don Fowler, who has called for the independent Sanders to formally join the party.

That last part is important to keep in mind.  The Democrats allowed Sanders to run, and while inside their house he got up to all kinds of mischief and even caused some long lasting damage.

Sanders and his supporters were key to the Russian's ability to damage Hillary's reputation as they provided legitimacy to some of the most outlandish allegations made against her by retweeting them and posting them on their Facebook pages.

If Sanders had run as an Independent, and his supporters had remained on the outside of both major parties, the impact of what they promoted on social media would have been essentially innocuous.

But once they were making those allegations from what appeared to be the inside of the Democratic party, the damage was much more severe.

And it STILL is. Not so much to Hillary, but to up and coming Democratic stars like Kamala Harris who are still finding their way and can be fatally damaged by negative attacks from those who demand the kind of purity which is ultimately political suicide in a general election.

We have to face facts that a number of those who supported Sanders in the 2016 primaries, are not really Democrats, and have no intention of ever becoming Democrats.

They wanted to change the status quo, start throwing the furniture out of the windows, and undermine the whole process which they essentially view as corrupt.

Trying to woo them is a total waste of time and energy.

What we need to do instead is to remember who we are as Democrats, find ourselves some good talented candidates, and then circle the wagons around them for the battle that looms ahead.

If we do a good job of defining who we are, and what we represent, those Sanders supporters may find that they have a whole lot more in common with those of us on the Democratic side of the aisle than Donald Trump or even a Jill Stein.

70 comments:

  1. Anonymous2:08 PM

    He wasn't and isn't a goddamn Democrat and he shouldn't have run as one, end of story.

    Now both these whiny bitches are going to be remembered for nothing more than being whiny bitches since neither took the high road in their memoirs.

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    1. Since when did qualifying as as a Democrat include personally excepting $100s of thousands in speaking fees from the very people that sunk our economy for 6 plus years? Costing me as a building contractor around $400k. An opinion private and an opinion public is deception any way you try to spin it. I voted for her, & kinda wish I hadn't .

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    2. Anonymous9:53 PM

      What??? @6:27? Why can't Democrats earn speaking fees based on their singular accomplishments? Free market, right? I'm very thankful Pres. Obama and First Lady Mrs.Obama have that revenue stream available, along with book deals. Secretary Clinton earned that right, too.

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  2. Crystal Sage2:25 PM

    I noticed that Sanders was quick to make the talk show rounds after pages from Hillary's book leaked. What an annoying showboat he has turned out to be.

    I think that Hillary has every right to express her feelings about the election in her book. Others may disagree, but she was robbed by a combination of many factors, one of which was the Bernie Cult. He promised a lot but has yet to deliver anything but sound bytes. Hillary accomplished more in her time in the Senate than Bernie has done in decades of elected office.

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    1. Anonymous2:50 PM

      Bernie and his awful wife do not have the professionalism to have been potus and first lady! Bernie never 'fit' and would never have won 'any' election had a actually been brave enough to run.

      I'd take Hillary Clinton over him any and all days and am proud that I voted for her.

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    2. Anonymous2:56 PM

      She won the popular vote, what more do you want considering that she didn't campaign hard enough in the swing states to take the electoral votes, which are slim to none for Dems as it is due to 3 decades of gerrymandering while progressives were asleep at the wheel in local and state elections.

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    3. Anonymous4:18 PM

      uhhhh... how exactly does your claim of 'gerrymandering' make any difference in a presidential election lol?

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    4. Anonymous5:22 PM

      4:18pm

      While gerrymandering does not directly affect the Electoral College results it certainly does lead to a preponderance of Republicans being represented in the College due to majority GOP state governments gerrymandering districts to favor GOP results.

      From having a greater volume of voting opportunities in predominately red districts to attempting to, and sometimes succeeding, in creating roadblocks to voting opportunities in blue districts, gerrymandering does indeed affect the Electoral outcome even if not via a direct straightline route.

      Anytime you allow one party to dominate the majority of small voting blocks (voting districts) you give them an overall advantage.

      This page has some good maps discussing just this advantage.

      http://www.businessinsider.com/2016-election-results-maps-population-adjusted-cartogram-2016-11/#but-many-of-those-blue-counties-contain-dense-cities-resizing-counties-by-population-it-becomes-a-little-clearer-why-clinton-is-likely-to-narrowly-win-the-popular-vote-but-lose-in-the-electoral-college-5

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    5. Anonymous7:27 PM

      4:18pm says:

      "While gerrymandering does not directly affect the Electoral College results"

      yes thank you, that is about it, the rest of your pushed bullshit is just that. 'Gerrymandering' real or not, does not have any affect on a presidential election. thank you and take a seat.

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  3. Anonymous2:26 PM

    It seemed pretty obvious from the beginning that Bernie Sanders was a bullshit candidate, not really much better than Trump himself. He should just retire from politics and spend his time yelling at kids to get off his lawn. If he runs again he won't get my vote in the primary and I can't see him winning the Democratic nomination.

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    1. Anonymous12:38 AM

      Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat even when he was allowed to run on the Democratic ticket. Bernie loves being an Independent as he says constantly. Bernie was bs'ed by the Bernie Bros and is still flattered by their rhetoric. Who paid the Bernie Bros to do that?

      At first I thought it was the Rand Paulians, maybe not. Bannon had a hand in that negative influence. But who provided the Bernie Bros with such steadfast and divisive braying against Hillary? Follow the money...Mercer, Koch (astro-turf 'grassroots'), Adelson money? Russian oligarchs? There are too many hidden hands selling America for evil fun, profit, and power over we the people.

      dowl

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  4. Anonymous2:36 PM

    I always found it strange that Bernie, who had identified as an Independent, was upset by the DNC and other Dems for supporting Democrat Hillary Clinton. He changed his party affiliation to D, but only to run in the primaries; I'm not sure why he felt entitled to money and other forms of support from the Democrats.

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  5. Anonymous2:41 PM

    Since the election I've received emails from an assortment of "progressive" organizations. i have ignored them largely, although I do not ignore emails from Democratic Party organizations or candidates, but last week when I was asked to sign a birthday "card" for Bernie Sanders I unsubscribed and will continue to do so until I hear from no more of them. My reason given to these groups is that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.
    Beaglemom

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    1. Anonymous9:54 PM

      Thank you, Beaglemom!

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  6. Anonymous2:54 PM

    If the Dems are serious about this Kamala Harris person now is the time for them to start pushing her so that there is wider recognition of who she is, outside of the party faithful.

    As it stands not, the progressive ticket is a blank slate, and worse, no one is stepping up during this perfect opportunity of historic storms and flooding to be the voice of the party, no one, except for Obama, and unfortunately he can't run again.

    Hate to capitalize on disasters but a savvy advisor would have had possible 2020 Dem candidates out there either suggesting remedies or questioning the GOP handling of the situation, but no, crickets it is.

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    1. Anonymous9:55 PM

      Why don't you give them 48 hours to evaluate?-- plus tomorrow is the 9/11 anniversary.

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  7. Anonymous3:01 PM

    How do we publicly keep "outing" Sanders as an Independent who needs to run as an Independent, getting his money and his platform from Independents? Enough is enough! Help - someone - anyone - suggestions beyond Gryphen's good plan?

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  8. Anonymous3:03 PM

    Steve Bannon looks hideous in his 60 Minutes interview. His eyes are puffy and red. His skin tone is not quite so splotchy but I feel sorry for the poor makeup artist tasked with making him camera ready. Ugh!

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    1. Anonymous3:34 PM

      Pu$$y.
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/george-clooney-uncensored-steve-bannon-is-a-pussy

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  9. Anonymous3:10 PM

    People always complain about a famous persons firsthand account of their life.

    People like to imagine and think their opinion of another person is truth because people are generally evil.

    No outsider opinion of a persons life is true no matter who it is. Truth can only come from one person. The person who walks in the shoes of that life path. No ones in anyone else's head.

    I feel like if more people understood this, all the evil and sociopathic gossip sites wouldn't exist.

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    1. Anonymous3:51 PM

      Right on cue.

      Must be evening recess at the asylum.

      Move along sweetie, Nurse Ratched is standing behind you with your Thorazine, that's it, swallow it down, I promise the voices in your head will quiet . . .

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  10. Anonymous3:14 PM

    In my opinion, Bernie supporters are every bit as bad as Trump supporters. Both want to blow up the status quo. They do not care if chaos reigns.

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    1. Anonymous4:31 PM

      I agree with you, Trump - Bernie, Bernie - Trump, same, same, no difference.. Way back when thought would take good look at Bernie, didn't take long to see he was all about himself, just like Trump. Neither care about us or the country. both lie to try and get what they want.

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    2. Anonymous5:49 PM

      4:31pm

      Yep, Trump and Bernie sure are "same, no difference" as you say.

      Oh wait, I think there might be a few differences. Healthcare perhaps? Trump wants to privatize it Bernie wants government subsidized healthcare for EVERYONE. I know, I know, that's just one little difference, but let's see if I can' find another....Oh, immigration, in a nutshell Bernie wants to help immigrants in any way we can, Trump, not so much.

      Hyperbole such as this is exactly the reason that the far left isn't taken seriously.

      Bernie=Trump is one of the most disingenuous and untrue statements to come down the pike, yet the butthurt Hillary fan boys who comprise the far left like to throw it out there as the gospel truth.

      You are no better than the far right, and sadly ,your idiocy smears the rational left with the same fecal matter, even though we know better.

      Hang it up, unless of course you'd like another term of Trump, and in that case, please proceed.

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    3. Anonymous9:57 PM

      Bernie has overstayed his welcome for Democrats. He can go start his own party if Democrats are so impure.

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  11. Anonymous3:20 PM

    Keep on crying all you want little man, because I know you're the type that just has to be right, all of the time, even when you're wrong, but Bernie's still the most popular politician in the country by a pretty large margin.

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    1. Anonymous3:47 PM

      I didn't believe you but sure as shit, Bernie is the most popular sitting Senator. Perhaps the Dems should run him in 2020.

      http://www.newsweek.com/senate-approval-ratings-bernie-sanders-mitch-mcconnell-634882

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    2. Anonymous4:14 PM

      Prove it, smart ass.

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    3. Anonymous5:18 PM

      Obama is the most popular politician right now

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    4. Anonymous9:58 PM

      Being the most "popular Senator" is not the same as the "most popular politician." Eyeroll.

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  12. Anonymous3:43 PM

    I have seen the interview on sunday morning. Hillary did not whine even though she had every right too. This election IS MOOT and a fake fraudulent scam. Americans DEMAND that Hillary take her rightful position. She won fair and square. To allow trump and criminals to spend one F##king day in that office is a crime.

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  13. Anonymous3:44 PM

    Clinton 2016-2020

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  14. Anonymous3:44 PM

    3:20: Buh-bye Bernie Bro.

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  15. Anonymous3:47 PM

    Just because trump has not been removed in handcuffs does not mean that he won the election. It means he has illegally and criminally occupied the peoples house, he has committed treason and is a traitor to the usa and liar to everyone....

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  16. Anonymous4:01 PM

    In my opinion Bernie let down the millions who supported him as a Independent, Socialist and the 99% movement. He and that communist lovin jill helped putin. Berns campaign propaganda was made in china.

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    1. Anonymous10:00 PM

      Look to Tad Devine's connection to Paul Manafort. You can get Mueller is.

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    2. Bernie supporters are the new deplorable, It's true we don't care for candidates of opposing opinions one for Wall Street and one for you. But hey we all have different tastes yours happens to be republican lite.

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    3. Anonymous8:58 AM

      Yours happens to be Russia heavy, 4:32.

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  17. Anonymous4:05 PM

    And according to the insider tweets Bernie accepted $10M from Russia arranged via Manafort and DeVine (his campaign manager_. Claude Taylor, Louise Mensch, Puesto Loco, Countercheckist all say Bernie will go down with the GOP and Jill Stein as dirty on the Russia stuff. These tweeters have been proven amazingly accurate over the months and do seem to have inside information.

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    1. Anonymous4:47 PM

      Right ;-)

      When I see Taylor, Mench and Puesto Loco I just know the info is accurate, NOT!

      Seriously when has this gossip trio posing as "journalists" ever gotten anything right?

      Bet you gave Jill Stein a bunch of money to uncover election fraud as well.

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    2. Anonymous10:01 PM

      It is factually true that Manafort and Devine both worked together: Ukraine. Mueller and co. are looking into it. @4:47

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  18. Anonymous4:15 PM

    Gryph how can you possibly be so obtusely clueless?

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    1. Anonymous10:01 PM

      And yet, here you are daily, @4:16...

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  19. Anonymous4:19 PM

    I intend to buy Hillary's book, as does my sister even though we could share one book. We want her book sales to go sky high. She should be our president. Trump and his Russian friends, Bernie, Jill Stein all lying corrupt players. BERNIE... WHERE ARE YOUR TAXES? Afraid we will see how many Wall Street friends you have, you know, the ones you ranted about...you are a phony, I would not be surprised you have taken money from Russia just like a lot of republicans. Bernie go away, or go join the republican party, that is where you belong.

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    1. Anonymous4:45 PM

      Wow, speculate much?

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    2. Anonymous10:02 PM

      I bought it, too! Can't wait!

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  20. Anonymous4:26 PM

    "Bernie was barely known in many places throughout the country, and this was an election where marquee names played a huge part in attracting votes."

    So he was barely known.... yet he cost her the election.... even though he wasn't on the presidential ballot lol. And the swing states that SHE did not put any time into during the campaign swung the other way (against the advice of her hubby who warned her campaign of this)...... This is all Bernies fault. OKAAAAAAAAAY Mr. Far Fetched!

    Admit it people. You are just die hard Hillary lovers and simply cannot comprehend that other people, democrats included, simply DON'T LIKE her, NEVER have, and NEVER will. She was flawed unlike any other candidate I've ever seen. And the DNC still ramrodded her down the throats of the Democratic nomination- in full light- and people reacted accordingly. Sour fucking grapes bitches.

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    1. Anonymous5:11 PM

      I love Hillary and am damn proud of it. Who you like doesn't matter.

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    2. Anonymous7:12 PM

      And it also doesn't matter that you love Hillary 5:11, and are 'damn proud of it' lol. The masses are what matters. And the masses DIDN'T like Hillary. You are a nobody.

      ps. lot pf individuals love Sarah Palin too and are proud of it lol.

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    3. Anonymous10:03 PM

      4:26 - she won more votes than any politician in American history except Barack Obama! What are you smokin'?

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    4. Anonymous4:32 AM

      7:12 -- Oh, the "lol" poster is back. Well, honey, it IS always nice to see people like you who are capable of laughing at themselves....

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    5. Anonymous8:16 AM

      All California 10:03, why don't you take a look at a red and blue map across the US of the election.

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    6. Anonymous9:00 AM

      8:16 - put down the bong and learn the difference between empty land and places where people actually live.

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    7. Anonymous9:37 AM

      You mean the democratic party controlled crime ridden failed big cities and education systems 9:00?

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    8. Anonymous12:04 PM

      9:37 - stick to your subject, right? LOL and Betsy DeVos has ended rural public schools for you. Thank her.

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    9. Anonymous12:36 PM

      How are Baltimore and Chicago and Detroit fairing 12:04? Should I go on? The list is much longer!

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  21. Anonymous5:14 PM

    My focus is on getting Trump and his minions out of government. I'm not interested in the Clinton Sanders stuff. How do we move from this dismal state? I'm in a solid blue state so I will be looking outside for progressive/Dem candidates to support (to the extent I can) in key congressional races anywhere in the country. I also pay attention to what is going on re: gerrymandering and voter suppression. I have to start somewhere. It can be overwhelming but it's best to try.

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  22. Anonymous5:38 PM

    Hillary Clinton is more than qualified to be President of the United States. Unfortunately her first strike being woman, second being married to a man whom has a weakness for women that set him up hired by republicans and third Russian/trump hired paid operatives. She won. The election was illegally, criminally and falsely held knowing it was compromised, rigged and hacked. We cannot move on until this is corrected. Cheaters, liars or riggers do not win, teach the children the truth and what happens to cheaters, liars and criminals.

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    1. Anonymous6:08 PM

      There is no way to hack the Electoral College, period. Hillary did not win the states necessary to give her the majority of Electoral College votes, period.

      She was expected to take 5 of these 6 "purple" states: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and North Carolina and Florida. She didn't win a single one, she neglected to campaign anywhere that was predicted heavily in her favor, which cost her the Electoral College votes she needed to win.

      If there was a vigorous Russian-funded pro-Trump social media campaign then all the more reason Hillary should have been stumping the shit out of those necessary but tenuously-held states, but she didn't.

      The rest is history, but not a conspiracy.

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    2. Anonymous10:05 PM

      It was a conspiracy and will be proven. Russia is still at it.

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    3. Anonymous2:23 AM

      608 you may be right. But I lean with those that say it was rigged. And the electoral can be rigged, bribed, threatened, harassed, etc., the election was rigged plain and simple and anyone who has paid half ass attention in the last 10yrs at least would know it.

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  23. Anonymous6:28 PM

    I am sick of ALL politicians and their constant whining. This is one of the biggest problems with the current state of politics. Boo-hoo, Bernie. Boo-hoo, Hillary. And Trump, shit, he is the biggest whiner of them all!

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    1. Anonymous7:11 PM

      Ironic that we, as citizens, are to accept and move on with decisions "they" make for us, while they can't seem to. Boo HOO is right!

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    2. Anonymous9:09 PM

      No one here could handle the abusive US liberal media.

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  24. Anonymous9:19 PM

    I am so over Bernie. He should have run as the Indepent he is. Or isn't. It's hard to tell with him. Whichever way the wind blows.

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  25. Anonymous10:58 PM

    Bashing a Palin or bashing on Bernie always gets you the most comments. Have you finally realized that's all this blog will ever be?

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    1. Anonymous5:20 AM

      Where would you hang out if these posts were eliminated? You live to defend your idol. You should thank Gryphen for the crumbs he tosses you.

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  26. Just keep playing into Putin's hands.

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