Monday, December 04, 2017

New tactic for Trump lawyers is to make the case that collusion is not a crime.

Ty Cobb
This from The New Yorker: 

For now, Sekulow and Cobb are sticking to their original strategy. They have advertised their willingness to coöperate with Mueller as a sign that Trump has nothing to hide, and their reaction to Flynn’s guilty plea reflects this view. “Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn,” Cobb said. With regard to Mueller’s broader investigation, the White House lawyers’ position continues to be that President Trump didn’t commit a crime because no one did—or could—because there is no federal crime called “collusion,” and Rosenstein’s order did not refer to any criminal statutes that may have been violated. In several conversations with me, Sekulow emphasized that collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, even if it did take place, wouldn’t be illegal. “For something to be a crime, there has to be a statute that you claim is being violated,” Sekulow told me. “There is not a statute that refers to criminal collusion. There is no crime of collusion.”

Well now that is certainly a different approach.

Just the other day Trump was claiming to reporters that there was no evidence of collusion after the story broke about Michael Flynn's plea deal. 
What the lawyers are saying now kind of sounds like the sovereign citizen argument to me.

"No officer I will not give you my driver's license because I do not recognize your authority to ask for it, and besides speed limits are a deep state conspiracy to control my God given right to drive recklessly."

45 comments:

  1. Anonymous6:33 AM

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/12/04/watch-trump-lose-mind-retreat-hillary-happy-place-asked-mike-flynn.html

    UnBeLIEable

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    1. Anonymous8:02 AM

      Use of "What Aboutism" rampant now, not only with Trump, but the GOP.

      Watch John Oliver's last episode. Last Week Tonight.

      Along with Denigrate journalism and Trolling (which is Trump's forte -- essentially, being a dick) he is influencing, for the worse, political discourse, responsibility, morals, manners and law-breakers' unaccountability.

      Catch me if you can -- ism.

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    2. Anonymous9:15 AM

      @8:02 got that RIGHT
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_Me_If_You_Can

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    3. Anonymous9:45 AM

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    4. Anonymous10:18 AM

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  2. Anonymous6:40 AM

    Hey look the Oatmeal guy. SNL.

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  3. Leland6:49 AM

    First, apparently the fools are failing to take into account the Constitution says "...for high crimes and misdemeanors..." so it doesn't have to BE a charge of criminal activity. Misdemeanors can cover a HUGE swath of things.

    Second, there IS a statute that says getting election assistance from anyone or thing from outside the US is a crime. (Which makes me wonder why a charge has't been made - yet - for his requesting financial assistance from people in the UK. (I think he emailed members of Parliament asking for donations? Or is my memory off?)

    And finally, the fools seem to forget it is the indictment or formal charge which stipulates the crime. It doesn't necessarily have to include the word "collusion".

    The biggest problem I see from them pushing this crap is his die hard believers. They can start screaming really loudly. It wouldn't affect Mueller, but it might get Congress making moves.

    Humpty Trumpty has long had a shady side and this only increases the depth to which he would delve.

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    1. Anonymous7:29 AM

      You are on target, the trump base will swallow this crap! Duh,yeah, whatzzz a collusion!

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    2. Anonymous7:33 AM

      dance, donnie, dance

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    3. Anonymous4:00 PM

      You think they bothered to read the constitution, remember trump only reads stuff with his name in it.

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    4. He's violated the oath of office. He swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. He's attacking and undermining the Constitution. The First Amendment most often.

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    5. Leland2:25 AM

      I was talking about the LAWYERS. The last I heard, it isn't possible to get through law school without learning it.

      As for Humpty Trumpty? He reads nothing that isn't on his twitter screen. The rest of the crap he "reads" comes from Faux News.

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  4. Anonymous6:58 AM

    What do you have when you have 10,000 lawyers buried to their necks at the beach?

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    1. Anonymous7:10 AM

      What do you have?

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    2. abbafan7:32 AM

      A fuckin' good start!!

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    3. Anonymous7:39 AM

      not enough sand

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    4. No need for a bucket of golf balls.

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  5. Anonymous7:24 AM

    Gee, but mr trumps charges have not been filed yet. Water cooler talk says things like treason espionage rigging elections and about 100 others. Lawyers for dumps like trump are paid to do exactly what old ty cobb did. Real lawyers are working and working to end this crime against America all over the world today. trumps stumps are just unethical empty suits.

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  6. Anonymous7:41 AM

    Facebook Is Banning Women for Calling Men ‘Scum’

    Women had accounts banned from Facebook for responding to male trolls with sentences like ‘men are trash,’ in part because the company classifies white men as a protected group.

    When comic Marcia Belsky sarcastically replied “men are scum” to a friend’s Facebook post back in October, she never anticipated being banned from the platform for 30 days.

    That was exactly what happened.

    Belsky was shocked at the severity of the punishment considering her relatively innocuous comment, and immediately spoke to her fellow female friends about the ordeal. They could relate.

    In the wake of the #MeToo movement, countless women have taken to Facebook to express their frustration and disappointment with men and have been promptly shut down or silenced, banned from the platform for periods ranging from one to seven days.

    Women have posted things as bland as “men ain’t shit,” “all men are ugly,” and even “all men are allegedly ugly” and had their posts removed. They’ve been locked out of their accounts for suggesting that, since “all men are ugly,” country music star Blake Shelton “winning the sexiest man isn’t a triumph.”

    “I personally posted men are scum in November and I received a seven day ban. It’s still ongoing. Two days and 23 hours left,” said comedian Alison Klemp.

    Kayla Avery, a comedian in Boston said she’s been banned close to 10 times by Facebook and is currently serving out the end of her third 30-day ban.

    One of the first times she got banned was when her page was flooded with male trolls calling her derogatory and sexist terms. Avery posted “men continue to be the worst” she said, because she said she “felt helpless to stop their hate.”

    “There was one guy who was threatening to find my house and beat me up,” she said. “I got banned before I could even successfully report it.”

    In late November, after the issue was raised in a private Facebook group of nearly 500 female comedians, women pledged to post some variation of “men are scum” to Facebook on Nov. 24 in order to stage a protest. Nearly every women who carried out the pledge was banned.

    “It wasn’t the best protest because it clearly didn’t work,” said Klemp. Avery said she is still suffering the consequences after posting “men are trash” on that day.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/women-are-getting-banned-from-facebook-for-calling-men-scum

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    2. Anonymous7:46 AM

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      For a dedicated group of commenters over at a website called Crazy Days and Nights, run by an anonymous entertainment lawyer who goes by the name “Enty Lawyer,” the speculation is particularly rampant. Why? Because he has been calling out many of Hollywood’s now-ostracized sexually misbehaving elite, sometimes years in advance of the mainstream media.

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      https://www.thedailybeast.com/whos-next-the-mysterious-blind-item-king-who-exposed-weinstein-spacey-and-lauer-before-the-media

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    3. Anonymous7:54 AM

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    4. Anonymous7:56 AM

      "Avery said she is still suffering the consequences" oooooh suffering the consequences of being locked out of her facebook account. Cry me a river. Why doesn't she just 'grow a pair' and delete her facebook account. This world would be better off if everyone did just that.

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    5. Anonymous8:54 AM

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    6. Anonymous9:41 AM

      MILO

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    7. I think women should start a letter writing campaign to Zuckerberg's WIFE.

      Then they should delete their Facebook accounts.

      Facebook would shit kittens if women started leaving in droves.

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  7. Anonymous7:42 AM

    Another graduate of trump law school?
    If there is no law,then why is trump popping in his pants?

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    1. Anonymous9:25 AM

      Is there corn "popping" in his pants?

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    2. Anonymous4:04 PM

      No,it is stupid auto correct on the phone:)

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  8. Anonymous8:14 AM

    Lewandowski's New Trump Book Tries To Scrub Out Michael Flynn Entirely

    ...Bossie said, "We mentioned Mike Flynn. (Twice in almost three hundred pages) This book went to bed months ago, so, you know the book industry. This books been to bed. We didn't think about that even in the slightest."

    Really Bossie? You liar. You mean you didn't want to put Mike Flynn's name in the book most likely knowing full well his future was not going to be a happy one.

    On June 19th of 2017, Politico reported, "Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie together are closing in on a high six-figure book deal with Hachette Book Group’s conservative imprint Center Street, a source close to the negotiations said."

    They didn't start writing their book until after Flynn had been fired as Trump's NSA for supposedly lying to Mike Pence and after Robert Mueller's special counsel was empaneled on May 17, 2017.

    This kind of lie what we can always expect from Trump surrogates.

    If they could they would delete every appearance that Flynn had with Trump and in every article ever written on the internet and make believe he was never a trusted and valued member of Trump's team.

    https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/lewandowskis-new-trump-book-tries-scrub

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    1. Anonymous4:06 PM

      Even scaramucci is writing a book,what did he learn in 10 days?

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  9. Anonymous8:16 AM

    Who Wrote That Flynn Tweet, Trump or Dowd? It Hardly Matters—Both Answers Are Horrible for Trump

    And now Dowd is saying that by definition, a president can’t obstruct justice. Pretty sure there are some people out there who’d beg to differ.

    ...Is it just me, or would Trump be better off if John Dowd quit talking? Honestly, I’m not sure which constitutes the greater potential liability, John Dowd’s comments to the media or Trump’s Twitter feed.

    It is, perhaps, worth restating the obvious: This potentially damning information wouldn’t even be known had Donald Trump not voluntarily injected it into the public sphere. This is a pattern.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/who-wrote-that-flynn-tweet-trump-or-dowd-it-hardly-mattersboth-answers-are-horrible-for-trump

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  10. Anonymous8:27 AM

    OT?
    Madeleine Albright: How to Protect the World From North Korea
    Dec 4, 2017 Madeleine Albright

    http://comment-news.com/source/www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/opinion/madeleine-albright-north-korea.html/

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    1. Anonymous10:37 AM

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    2. Anonymous10:53 AM

      "Pentagon should start evacuating the families of the roughly 28,500 U.S. troops in South Korea as America gets "close to military conflict" with North Korea, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said Sunday."

      https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/senator-military-families-should-leave-south-korea/

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    3. Anonymous10:58 AM

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    4. Anonymous11:09 AM

      https://www.vox.com/world/2017/12/4/16733518/north-korea-graham-mcmaster-missile-stealth

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      A North Korean official sent out a harsh warning about the drill: “The projected war rehearsal is just a grave military provocation which will push the already acute situation on the Korean peninsula to the brink of nuclear WAR”"

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    5. Anonymous12:49 PM

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  11. Anonymous9:11 AM

    Trump’s legal team is clearly setting the stage to say the president cannot be charged with any of the core crimes discussed in the Russia probe: collusion and obstruction. Presumably, you wouldn’t preemptively make these arguments unless you felt there was a chance charges are coming.

    A lawyer wouldn’t be offering a defense before anything has been filed unless they are trying to get out in front of charges that are coming.

    The White House has gone from saying that there is nothing to the Russia scandal to claiming that the President can’t be charged with a crime. They’ve gone from screaming witchhunt to arguing that even if he broke the law, Trump can’t be charged.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/12/04/trump-lawyers-preparing-criminal-charges-filed-president.html

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  12. Anonymous9:19 AM

    An old tweet returns to haunt Sarah Huckabee Sanders

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/an-old-tweet-returns-to-haunt-sarah-sanders/

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  13. Anonymous10:52 AM

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-says-hillary-clinton-repeatedly-lied-to-the-fbi-the-fbi-disagrees-3ab6767d1a74/

    "“Hillary Clinton lied many times to the FBI”, Trump told reporters ahead of boarding Marine One for a trip to Utah. “Nothing happened to her. Flynn lied, and they destroyed his life. I think it’s a shame. Hillary Clinton, on the 4th of July weekend, went to the FBI, not under oath. It was the most incredible thing anyone’s ever seen. She lied many times. Nothing happened to her. Flynn lied, and it’s like they ruined his life. It’s unfair.” On Saturday Trump had also tweeted about the indictment, complaining that Flynn pleading guilty showed how the system was “rigged”."

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  14. Anonymous11:53 AM

    Ok you lawyers, come on help people to open off shore investments and setup shell companies. Sick of wealthy keep taking more than their share.

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    1. Anonymous1:49 PM

      What and spread the wealth?
      Haha. Good luck with that.

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  15. So, first there was no collusion.

    Now, there's nothing wrong with collusion.

    First it was locker room talk.

    Now, the tape is fake.

    First it was there was no obstruction.

    What's it going to be next?

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  16. Anonymous1:52 PM

    It really doesn't matter what us non-lawyers call it, Muller will know what to charge them with.
    These "lawyers" sound like a bunch of bozos to me.

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