I keep hearing this from the other side of the fence. I have always sort of assumed it was correct. Now I have reason to wonder. Here is what I have uncovered so far.
In the article, Pelletiere said the only thing known for certain was that "Kurds were bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds."
The former CIA official revealed that immediately after the battle the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report that said it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds.
The source of this info is here.
Now there is some disagreement with those assertations here. However in this article there is another interesting little nugget.
In 1989 President George Herbert Walker Bush took power and ordered a review of United States policy toward Iraq. According to Power:
The study ... deemed Iraq a potentially helpful ally in containing Iran and nudging the Middle East peace process ahead. The "Guidelines for U.S.-Iraq Policy" swiped at proponents of sanctions on Capital Hill and a few human rights advocates who had begun lobbying within the State Department. The guidelines noted that despite support from the Agriculture, Commerce, Defense, and State Departments for a profitable, stable U.S.-Iraq relationship, "parts of Congress and the Department would scuttle even the most benign and beneficial areas of the relationship, such as agricultural exports." The Bush administration would not shift to a policy of dual containment of both Iraq and Iran. Vocal American businesses were adamant that Iraq was a source of opportunity, not enmity. The White House did all it could to create an opening for these companies"Had we attempted to isolate Iraq," Secretary of State James Baker wrote later, "we would have also isolated American businesses, particularly agricultural interests, from significant commercial opportunities."
I would pay big money to be a fly on the wall at the Bush holiday get togethers. (I am sorry. I , of course mean Christmas.) You must be able to cut the tension with chainsaw.
Now even if this is bullshit I do not believe for an instant that Saddam is not a terrible human being deserving of punishment. I most certainly do. I just don't know if he is the Boogedy-boogedy man that the administration so enjoys painting him as.
To be honest I usually discount just about everything that the administration tells me, they tend to lie you know.
I know this is a radical concept, but you could try asking an Iraqi or two. Of course, if they disagree with your comfortable preconceived notions, no doubt you can dismiss them as CIA plants or merely some of those foolish brown people leftists deem incapable of handling democracy. The alternative is your facing the fact that Chimpy McBushitler may actually have done something good, and we all know that's not going to happen.
ReplyDeleteYes....the gassing of the iraqi's is true- but the return question is Anyone want to talk about the chemicals and WHO he purchased them from??? hmmm.....Donny R. over at Monsanto might be able to supply some answers...but I am sure you would be told that is just a Lefty piece of gossip.....just another pesticide deal...kind of like the Taliban getting 38 million Jan 2001 for herbicide- to "remove the opium crop"...ironically Afganistan has had Bumper crops the entire Bush regime...ahem...another coincidence....
ReplyDeleteachillea! You wound me! I would absolutely trust the opinion of an Iraqi. It is the Bushies I don't believe.
ReplyDeleteGood point Enigma!
Now see how much we can learn from each other?
Chimpy McBushitler? Good stuff, I might use that.
".. Anyone want to talk about the chemicals and WHO he purchased them from??? "
ReplyDeleteAhem... :
Trader guilty in gassing of Kurds
Richard Beeston, The Hague
December 26, 2005
A DUTCH businessman has been found guilty of war crimes and sentenced to 15 years in prison for helping Saddam Hussein to acquire the chemical weapons he used to kill thousands of Kurdish civilians in the Iran-Iraq war.
[...]
Prosecutors accused van Anraat of delivering more than 1000 tonnes of thiodiglycol. It can be used to make mustard gas, which causes horrific burns to the lungs and eyes and is often fatal.
He was also accused of importing chemicals to make nerve agents. The prosecution said the lethal cargo was shipped from the US via Belgium and Jordan to Iraq. He also imported other shipments from Japan via Italy.
Van Anraat was first arrested in 1989 in Italy on a US warrant. He then fled to Baghdad, where he lived for 14 years under an assumed name. After the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, he made his way back to The Netherlands, where he was arrested a year ago.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17661207%255E2703,00.html
Ahhh, purchased from the US...hmmm ouch...oh, Donny look what happened to those "gardening supllies "....
ReplyDeleteokay now that we have talked Gas...where does that leave us- Bad food or Oil Wars ?
Thanks to Anony...good job...( I didn't want to go look the UN stuff up...) ANd how come he isn't being tried for War Crimes or Crimes Against Humanity- at the Hague..would prevent a whole lot of In-fighting in Iraq....
Note to self, buy fertilizer for next bomb from Enigma4Ever, through a third party. That way, E4E will be to blame.
ReplyDeleteBrilliance!
Such a pity for the 'US supplied Saddam' camp that practically of the ordnance being unearthed (literally) there has been of non-American manufacture. Russia and France, especially, have been prominently represented.
Do I think the US never sold Saddam war materiel, directly or indirectely, deliberately or otherwise? Not at all. I have no doubt we did, especially during the Iran-Iraq war, and that that was a Bad Thing. Not doing so might have been a Worse Thing under the circumstances, but I'm perfectly willing to concede that it happened. It's a very weak reed (one might even characterize it as a straw) for propping up a "US sells nerve gas to tyrant" argument, though.
Gryphen, there's a 260+ comment thread over at Tim Blair's for moonbatty permutations of Bush's name if you want more (I'm especially fond of Jesus W. Haliburton, myself). We have considerable fun mocking the moonbats with stuff like that, and they just keep it coming.
I take it "moonbats" is me?
ReplyDeleteI have received so many new titles lately.
Moonbats is the right's equivalent insult to the left's "wingnuts" - both make the users thereof feel better but neither accomplishes anything except to make the 'other side' stop listening.
ReplyDeleteAchiila- I don't sell 'Fertilizer" or dispense in any manner. I assume the Brilliance comment was mine as well...Now that being said...
ReplyDeleteBefore One pretends to KNOW anything about Donny Rumsfeld and his long illustrious history with MONSANTO and some other "pharmaceutical " companies...I would tread lightly... The WH administration- the Starter Line-Up were NINE of them from Monsanto...So it isn't like they didn't understand about Chemical issues..
( and about thanks- yeah , I think some thanks are due to me- for things that you don't even know...but that is your problem.... I do Environmental Forensics- you are way out of your league.)
Now about reading about Iraq on the Inside- Bagdad Burning is a wonderful blog by a woman that lives there-
give it a read....Reality.
Keep up the good work gryphen..