"I'm up to the point where I can't see my kid again. I'm done. I'm sure we'll end up in court. We're definitely going to court," Johnston, 19, said in an interview in Anchorage, Alaska's largest city.
Johnston said there had been times when he had been allowed to see Tripp about once a week, but there had also been periods when he had had virtually no access. He said: "They started letting me see him and everything was fine. But everything got bad again. So I said screw them."
Johnston said his relationship with the Palin family was entering another bad phase where his calls were not being returned, even though he said he was now paying child support.
He has not seen Tripp for several weeks, and he blamed Sarah Palin personally for that: "Bristol listens to her mom. Sarah says something, Bristol is going to follow."
An ugly court dispute is unlikely to be an attractive proposition for Palin, either as Bristol's mother or as a politician with a book launch pending and a possible run at the presidency in 2012. A large part of Palin's political appeal rests on her reputation for being a homely "hockey mum" that could be tarnished by a public custody fight.
Johnston said he recognised that taking the legal road would be hard. "It's going to be a tough battle. Basically, it's down to who has the better lawyer. I can just imagine all the cameras that are going to be there – it's going to be crazy," he said.
Oh Sarah Does NOT want to take this to court!
That would be the end for her, and she knows it!
Damn I suggested this five months ago, and was told they were not ready to go this route. Well I am glad to see Levi finding his backbone.
Sarah must be pulling her hair extensions out by the fistful right about now.
Well I know what I am going to be doing if this thing makes it into a courthouse. Front row baby!
P.S. Yes I know the custody dispute is essentially between Levi and Bristol. But let's be real, the true conflict is between Levi and Sarah, and we all know it. (Make sure to click the link and LISTEN to the audio of Levi's interview. Kind of interesting.)
Update: Here is the FULL Guardian article. (By the way I was able to track down a very reliable source that says Levi is dead serious about going to court to fight for custody of Tripp. It was NOT a slip of the tongue.)
This is rich and strange! Unless Sarah is claiming to be Tripp's as well as Trig's mother, then any sane judge should not even allow her in the courtroom during the hearing. As far as anyone knows, Bristol is Tripp's mother and Levi is Tripp's father. This could create a perfect scene to generate multiple tongue slips out of $arah-not-the-mama. Grammy
ReplyDeleteThere could be DNA tests eventually.
ReplyDeleteCustody, visitation are between parents.
Alienation of affection or what it is SP is being accused is another matter?
What will do next? Ignore this one?
Will Oprah ignore this?
The plot is thickening. I've known of instances where grandparents very close to their grandkids wind up not being able to see them after a divorce involving their child. There are no grandparents rights. This seems like a very foolish move on Paylin's part. I do believe things could get really nasty. Poor Bristol she's such a pod totally controlled by the evil witch. I believe her vengefulness will be her undoing. Hope so.
ReplyDeleteTime for Bristol to step up and be a mother.
ReplyDeleteActually, there are some (limited) grandparents' rights. But it's stupid to create hostility: there's no way it will benefit the child, and in this case, Sarah and Bristol will only come out of it looking bad.
ReplyDeleteI hope they get all they deserve.
The more Sarah beats up on and bad mouths Levi and keeps his baby from him the more redneck dads will jump off her band wagon.
ReplyDeleteLevi will be on The Insider on Monday with Kathy Griffin.
ReplyDeleteThe teaser comment today was Yes he is writing a book. Asked whether Sarah/Todd marriage is solid.
Tragic to think of Bristol and babies psychologically tortured in that tower thing that looks like a medieval prison with dungeon. The symbols are obvious. Bristol couldn't miss seeing unless she is clouded with meds.
ReplyDelete$arah Paylin belongs on Jerry Springer or Maury, not Oprah!
ReplyDeleteI just don't see this messy family dynamic running for national office anytime soon. Maybe in a reality show but nothing to do with POTUS.
ReplyDeleteYay!
Palin wants to win in the court of public opinion.
ReplyDeleteDavid Frum said she left the political arena and is now only celebrity. Once the GOP like McCain see how she has nothing for them to hang on to they can stop their lying bull about her. I'm not saying it will happen.
I wonder how McCain feels about the huge dark secret?
Can't believe you all missed this:
ReplyDelete"rests on her reputation for being a HOMLEY "hockey mum".
homely...yes, she is :)
Palin (actually, I like Paylin better!) no doubt is pulling her fake hair extensions out. She has painted herself into the preverbial corner, she is SOL and it couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. She is such a controll monster and I am glad that Levi has finally located his spine and basically said "enough bitch, you want to mess with me, then game on".
ReplyDeleteThere is no way that coward of a woman is going to appear in court. Levi, you hang tough and follow your heart and do the right thing for you and your son(s). Seems like there is new revelations every 12 hours now instead of every 24. Thanks for the update Gryphen, front row seat indeed baby!
For all of you who've been criticizing Levi's handlers...this is starting to look masterful. Drip by drip, the clock is ticking, and I bet scarah is tearing out her hair extensions one by one.
ReplyDeletePat in Texas
This whole thing is just wild. I am glad Levi is finally opening up. I am a bit confused about some things though. At Palingates, some are saying he never uses the word Tripp or Trig - so which one is he talking about? Gryphen, you used Tripp. I'd love to know if you think Levi is the father of Trig or Tripp or both!? I just hope the truth comes out - all this lying is insane. I feel sorry for these kids. Also it is sad to hear that Bristol listens to Sarah - I guess she is not too bright, and I was feeling sorry for her the past week........
ReplyDelete- I wonder how McCain feels about the huge dark secret?
ReplyDeletePersonally, I just wonder how McCain sleeps at night after unleashing this monster on the Country he puts First. Whatever, grampy.
As for the "homely" thing in the UK paper, homely over there means "homey". Which Sarah, Queen of Taco Bell, hardly is. Oh, unless she's whippin up her famous halibut casserole (puke).
From all I've read about Palin, it seems she's ruined a lot of lives up there in AK.
ReplyDeleteAnd it looks like a BOY will take her down.
Go Levi!
GiGi
Bristol is an Ambassador. No one to fell sorry for. She has given up her power for whatever reasons. As sad as it sounds the sooner she gets knocked out of her fantasy the better. A liar like Sarah will produce children that lie and they will pass it on to the future generations until the train wrecks.
ReplyDeleteAre you sure that Levi is not in cahoots with Sarah Palin? He's threatening to say bad things about her, yes, but the net effect is to generate publicity for her. She won't go away until everyone gets bored with her.
ReplyDeleteGo to court.
ReplyDeleteGet DNA tests done.
Go Levi!
Move over Balloon Boy Family & make way for the wacky fun loving Paylin Family. Bristol the evil witch has designs for locking you up in that turret for the rest of your life. It's time to mutiny, mutiny now. It will only get worse. I'll just bet $arah will try to completely control Bristol's testimony.
ReplyDeletewes_ben......I noticed that!! I thought at first it was a typo and then I laughed because to me, Sarah really is homely homely homely! It isn't her looks, it is her "person" if that makes sense. She is the kind of person I dislike the most. A narcissistic hypocrite user...... She reminds me of my sister in law. Palin has serious emotional issues and I really feel for all those kids, especially little Piper for some reason.
ReplyDeleteWhat ever happened to the very best clue that we've seen here at IM? The one where someone posted that before Trig was Trig he was Tripp. Grphyen weighed in, saying that this was the closest that anyone came to the iceberg.
ReplyDeleteTime to revisit that phrase and what in means in light of Levi's recent interviews! Levi thinks that he is Tripp's father; he should insist on a DNA test supervised by the court. I wish that he would include Trig, too, also. Just saying.
Homely is used in Britain as we would use homey, or down-home. The implication being a regular, ordinary, un-flashy person.
ReplyDeletelisabeth - The reporter used Tripp's name. Levi did not. He spoke of 'my kid'.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, Any chance you could point this out in the post? I don't know what it means but not using a name can be significant.
I've speculated that if Levi is father to both, he may not be able to bear to say the name of one and exclude the other.
I listened to the GUARDIAN audio, and was most struck by the severe "depression" Sarah Palin suffered a year ago, as described by Levi. He and Bristol were running the household then--cleaning it, helping the younger kids with homework. Todd left. Sarah stayed isolated and refused to do things.
ReplyDeleteWe know what the Palins did to Wooten. Levi's hesitation to go the court route is understandable but a whole lot of folks will be watching this battle and will have Levi's back. Of course, he'll need to tell the whole story.
ReplyDeleteIf Levi's attorney is worth their salt they will also add in a request (which is always granted) that the custody agreement clearly state that Bristol and those living in the household cannot make disparaging comments against Levi in the presence of the child. The same of course holds true that Levi cannot speak ill of Bristol.
ReplyDeleteThe fun will be that no Judge in the world can tell Levi not to speak ill of Palin. But Palin cannot speak ill of Levi. That would include (or should) putting anything in print that the child may one day read.
Palin would also have to stop having Meg the mouthpiece badmouth him on her behalf.
Levi has MORE rights than scarah if indeed Tripp is his child. This would be comical if babies werent the subject. In that regard it is abhorrent. I wouldnt treat my pit bull puppy the way these kids are being used.
ReplyDeleteWe dropped the ball while it was right in front of us. We certainly could have intercepted. Oh good god, she's definitely taken us for a ride!
ReplyDeleteFrontiersman Editorial Criticized Cronyism and Political Maneuvering in City Hall. A Fontiersman editorial wrote, “Palin promised to change the status quo, but at every turn we find hints of cronyism and political maneuvering. We see a woman who has long-since surrendered her ideals to a political machine.” [Frontiersman editorial, 2/7/97]
Frontiersman Editorial: Palin Doesn’t Grasp the Truth. A Frontiersman editorial wrote, “Mayor Palin fails to have a firm grasp of something very simple: the truth.” [Frontiersman editorial, 2/7/97]
Headline: “Palin may face recall” [Frontiersman, 2/5/97]
Editorial Headline: “Mayor’s Lost Credibility” [Frontiersman, 2/7/97]
Frontiersman Editorial: Palin Assumed Her Election Was a Coronation. A Frontiersman editorial
wrote, “Palin seems to have assumed her election was instead a coronation. Welcome to Kingdom Palin,
the land of no accountability.” [Frontiersman editorial, 2/7/97]
This is all very interesting, Gryphen!
ReplyDeleteI believe Sarah is the problem, but in a custody case between Bristol and Levi, what input would she have in a court of law? Yeah, she may not like it, but where is her power in the courtroom other than providing her daughter with a good lawyer? Am I missing something?
ReplyDeleteCuriouser, Levi is talking about Tripp, not Trig. However the date of Tripp's birth is significant.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 5:25, you are correct that the custody battle should be taking place between Bristol and Levi, but essentially Bristol is behaving as Sarah's surrogate so the REAL battle is between Levi and Sarah.
Bristol is a young woman who would probably love to have at least one of these children taken off of hands once in a while. Sarah is using Tripp to punish Levi, which is his allegation if you listen carefully.
Didn't S'arah & Todd overact when her sister was divorcing Wooten? I seem to recall something somewhere where a Judge basically said "You folks gotta stop this harassment and craziness" because they were going crazy. Does anyone else remember this?
ReplyDeleteThe Palins don't have enough common sense between the two of them to realize that they are NOT going to come out of this lookin' good at all. But that won't stop Palin and her mouthpice from ranting and raving about Levi.
Taking Bristol to court is a good way of shutting her mother up. The Palins already have form, having been told by the judge in the Wooten custody case to stop trash-talking the father or they would pay for it.
ReplyDeleteAfter listening to the tape I'm not sure Levi meant to say all that about taking the Palins to court. He was kind of rambling & I thought the interviewer was good at getting information out of him. I'm just not sure he meant to blurt that out. He's usually pretty guarded. I think he's really pissed off about not being able to see his kid & or kids.
ReplyDeleteIvyfree, actually grandparent rights are not recognized in most states, I don't know about Alaska. If Bristol has prevented Levi from visiting her son it will not sit well with ANY family court judge. Because if this is what Bristol is doing she may be at risk for losing ALL physical custody of the baby. Go Levi!! Fight for your rights and your sons rights! Anyone who is blocking a parent from seeing their child is dipicable! Sounds like Bristol is a mini-me of Sarah, no heart, no caring for whats best for her son. No wonder Bristol was at the state fair with two babies and no friends.
ReplyDeleteAnyone know what color are Bristol's eyes? It's hard to tell from pix. Levi's are brown, and I thought hers are brown. Tripp's are blue.
ReplyDeleteJust to follow-up on my earlier post, here's the article from Newsweek - http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140 - which states that the Judge told the Palins "Disparaging will not be tolerated — it is a form of child abuse," the judge told a settlement hearing in October 2005, according to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: "Relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives."
ReplyDeleteCrabby Patty..
ReplyDeleteYou are correct. Palin and her family were ordered to stop disparaging Wooten, and it did not happen one time either. It happened often enough that the judge threatened to change the custody arrangements.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140
Judge Suddock wrote in the Wooten custody case:
ReplyDelete"It is the mother's responsibility to set boundaries for her relatives and insure [sic] they respect them, and the disparagement by either parent, or their surrogates is emotional child abuse. If the court finds it is necessary due to disparagement in the Mat-Su Valley, for the children's best interests, it will not hesitate to order custody to the father and a move into Anchorage."
So, what about this? If Bristol and Levi had the first baby in Jan or Feb of 2008 as suspected and named him Tripp and then Sarah demanded she adopt that baby becuase the two teenagers would find it difficult to raise him, Sarah may have changed the name to TRIG. Then when Bristol got PG again, her and Levi named the second baby what they had wanted for their first baby. I always wondered why the names were almost identical. So many are thinking that Trigg was actually born in mid to late January 2009. That would make the babies about a year apart in age...totally possible. How close am I? S. H.
ReplyDeleteGryphen, thank you for answering my question. So, Tripp is Levi's son, then Levi is not Trig's father? I am sorry, I have followed this and just when I think I am following in a straight line, you guys start throwing curves... Tripp's birthday is a big ??; Sarah wasn't pregnant - so where did Trig come from? Are these the big "two" questions that need proof for answers?
ReplyDeleteGryphen, is the use of your words "essentially Bristol is behaving as Sarah's surrogate" in your 5:33pm post just a slip of the keyboard with the word "surrogate" or is it meant to imply that Bristol acted as a surrogate and birthed Trig for her Mom?
ReplyDeleteThis whole thing is just beyond me at this point and I don't have time to ponder it anymore, however, I do become intrigued again when one of the parties begin to speak and then things come out that are either intentional or unintentional uses of words and phrases.
I know some screwed up families here in the Valley but really, it is beginning to seem that the Palins could win the award for "The Valley's Most Dysfunctional Family". I always sort of knew that in my heart but, boy, they are earning that title more and more each day.
Oooh, Gryphen - a riddle. Perhaps someone can break it. Fortunately for me, I've learned patience from your site and it won't drive me nuts like it would have done a few months ago.
ReplyDeleteI do wonder what happened shortly before Dec 31, 2008 that royally pissed Sarah off and if this has any part in the mystery. On Dec. 31, she went on her "the kids aren't dropouts" rant, outed Levi's apprenticeship and, ultimately, cost Levi his slope job. The next day, in a Canadian radio interview, she had a long list of great experiences of 2008 but failed to mention the new grandson born 5 days before. All-in-all, very strange behavior for a new grandma.
Once Sarah is pissed at someone, it seems to be a forever thing.
Re Gryphen's cryptic remarks @5:33-
ReplyDeleteSince we have not seen any birth certificates, we do not know either of the boys legal names nor do we know their true birth dates. The only thing that I am clear about is that SP did not give birth to a child on 4/18/08.
Since Bristol seems to be the primary care giver to both T1 and T2, I shall assume that she is the biological mother of at least one of them.
Since Bristol was MIA for the period of time in which T1 would have been developing in some woman's body, I will hypothesize that T1 was BP's biological child. I will also hypothesize (based on all the work of PD & PG) that T1 was born in Jan or Feb '08. BEYOND that ??
Who is T1's dad? Who is T2's biological mom and dad ?? This is all quite unclear to me.
It is likely that SP essentially hijacked T1, against the wishes and desires of BP (and the dad?) by announcing that she (SP) was preggers, after the child was actually already born.
Then -- perhaps BP got pregnant again for spite, grief etc. Another possibility is that SP promised BP that she'd get her another child after the election via a secret adoption. I am truly not sure about where T2 came from as there was a lot of "funny stuff" going on around the time that he was supposedly born -- (fires, birth announcements by distant great aunts...)
Also, there were some questionable "shape shifting" photos of BP's pregnancy (although not as obvious as SP big faux gestation)..
Care to comment Gryphen ??
No AKPetMom, my use of the word "surrogate" was just to indicate that Sarah his attacking Levi by using Bristol and Tripp. Not that Bristol had actually had a baby for her.
ReplyDeleteSP's facebook fans are upset because they think Levi has agreed to an exclusive with Geraldo Rivera...is this true?
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing this with us, Gryphen! I just hope, for the sake of the kids, (Bristol and Tripp) Sarah can put aside her petty vindictiveness and do the right thing.
ReplyDeleteLevy can hold his own, but it seems Bristol is the sockpuppet's sockpuppet- Tripp deserves to have his father in his life.
What happened to "Family Values"?
When Sarah wrote, I mean dictated her book to Lynn Vincent, I believe the National Enquirer reported that she said some pretty mean things about Levi.
ReplyDeleteThose books are in print, getting packed into cartons and getting ready to be shipped out soon. No changing them now. Now, Levi can use those nasty words to show the judge the confrontational situtation he is in, and that this is not in the best interest of his kid, excuse me, his son, Tripp.
In order to make his case, all Levi's lawyer has to do is save (cache) all of those mean spirited comments made by Meg on behalf of Sarah. Many of us may have difficult people in our families, and we have a hard time getting along with them. But very few of us have a well paid spokesperson who advertises our family problems in the national media. This is worse than the Wooten busines where only the kids heard the comments. Meg and Sarah have treated a world wide audience to their petty vindictive rhetoric. I hope it bites them in their collective butts.
Also, think of the threats that Palin fans have written about Levi all over the 'Net, including on her Facebook page.
ReplyDeleteBefore anyone rushes into court, there are other steps that are normally taken. The first is negotiations that take place between Levi's attorney and Bristol's attorney. There could be quite a bit of back and forth until an agreement is ironed out as to frequency, location, duration, etc. of the visits, including holidays; plus alimony and/or child support.
ReplyDeleteOnce an agreement between the two parties is reached (providing they do finally agree) then the document is filed with the court system. It becomes part of legal public record in some states.
If there is no equitable agreement arrived at, then the next option could be going to court. Most cases of this nature are held in the Family Court and are normally restricted to the people immediately involved.
If there is an agreement reached and that document recorded with the Court, there would be no need for an actual hearing in front of any judge...........unless, or until, one or the other broke the agreement. For example, if Bristol chose to disallow Levi to take the child on assigned date(s), or if Levi failed to make the agreed upon payments, or if Levi failed to take the child when it was his visitation time, or if Levi or Bristol felt the child was in some sort of emotional or physical danger with the other parent. The list goes on and on of possible scenarios under which they could eventually end up in court, but I don't see them going to court anytime soon without going through the normal preliminary steps of negotiating an agreement.
OT:
ReplyDeleteSorry if this is old news.
Sarah's made a new post at Facebook. She's asking her 'bots to be sure and listen to the GOP's weekly national address tomorrow. The subject is the GOP's plans for health care reform.
anon @ 7:40 - I agree - an agreement will be drawn and likely no one will have to go to court.
ReplyDeleteI cannot envision ANY Palin being put under oath and facing questions.
http://lotsasplainin.blogspot.com/2009/10/everyones-existence-needs-bane.htm
ReplyDeleteyou might like this article
Oh, great. The GOP launches as Healthcare plan on Halloween. Good one!
ReplyDeleteOK, Sarah's book is 400 pages - how many pages does this book have? Forget the chapters - just state the facts and it would sell more books than Sarah's and it would not have to be discounted...
ReplyDeleteNot enough popcorn in the world.
ReplyDeleteSarah, the gift that keeps on giving.
I would imagine it is the same old republican rhetoric get rid of S.S and medicare and if you get sick hurry up and die..palins pie in the sky seems like a scam to make money off the insurance companies by providing care for the elderly and disabled if that is what it really is for.I think she thinks she can make more money off the insurance companies than from a public option insurance program,and people wonder why she is against health insurance reform.She didn't take care to the needs of the elderly or disabled in her state under her administration and she wants people to believe she care about anyone else now LOL
ReplyDeletei agree with a earlier post. i think Levi's handlers are doing a fantastic job. they are playing defence. letting sarah make the first move, and then realease just a little more info... great great game plan. i bet sarah is terrified because this is all out of her control. i respect levi here, i think hes playing a mans game, and hes playing it very very well. except for playgirl. but thats a matter of taste.... not law. so whatever... and YES im TOTALLY gonna be checking that out!!!
ReplyDeleteThe thing that sometimes burns my butt is that Levi had a job on the slope as an apprentice electrician and Sarah took that away from him with her leak regarding his lack of high school degree.
ReplyDeleteNow he is bringing in the cash doing whatever he can to make a buck and he certainly should.
He'll probably go back to a trade one day once the fame ride is over but he should get what he can now and pad his nest the best he can and he will always be ahead and he and his family will want for nothing if he has good people behind him assisting him in investing this windfall and making money from money.
I have said on many blogs and will say again that even though he seems somewhat uncomfortable in interviews I feel that he is grown as a person thanks to the travels and interviews and public scrutiny.
He has grown from our average Wasilla redneck (sledneck!) to a man with a perspective on the world that a life relegated to Wasilla and the Slope could have never afforded him.
It makes me smile that he has "progressed" his attitude and his "world view" much further than any of the repressed Palins have.
The Palins are Wasilla Slednecks forever...Levi, he seems to have grasped the golden ring and moved beyond their shortsighted views.
I hope one day he will be able to impart some of that growth to his son as the Palins would be just as happy to keep the child ignorant.
I've never heard Levi utter a bad word about Bristol or even Sarah. He's made excuses for them. All he's ever done is state his observations of the family dynamics, not ever name calling. All points in his favor when it comes to court. Her nasty and inappropriate comments about him are out there for all to see. Go Levi!!
ReplyDeleteHold on, Nipper Sinkers! There is more to this than just "get Sarah on the stand."
ReplyDeleteIn private child custody cases, the court will first appoint a Guaridan ad litem (GAL) to act as an advocate for the child. The GAL will conduct preliminary investigations on each parent to ascertain their situation. This is to provide the court with information on their ability to properly raise and nurture said child.
Now, think about this: Does Levi have a steady job? No. Does he have a proper home where the child would be safe and well provided for? I don't know the answer to that. His history: I don't believe he has a high school diploma, does he? All of his prior actions will be put before the court, including his (in some minds) inappropriate appearance in Playgirl.
Bristol, on the other hand, has (on the surface, at least) a structured and secure home life with a "loving" support system consisting of the child's aunts and uncle, and two "doting" grandparents.
Levi has no father (that I've ever heard about) and his mother is serving time in jail. Don't know his sister's status at this time, but I wouldn't count on her as a "support system."
In court, each lawyer is able to call anybody they want to support their client or refute the opposing council's witnesses. It gets very hairy, and sometimes turns into a he said/she said situation.
Therefore, I doubt it will ever get to court. I think the Palins will quickly agree to granting Levi visitation rights just to keep it OUT of court.
Should be interesting to watch, but I doubt it's going to provide any eye-opening information.
Just keep letting the rope out Levi!!! Once her lies are in print that can be used in your custody case. I don't think she has a clue that she is backing herself into a corner.
ReplyDelete"Sledneck" Good one, AKPetMom. So, can someone re-visit this 'Trig was Tripp before he was Trig' theory? I remember being confused by this at Palindeception blog, but made some sense.
ReplyDeleteSo is Levi the man of the house with mom in jail and he financially supports sister? One more appealing and gallant aspect for him, he always comes off as sweet, genuine and keeping head on his shoulders despite the head tripp this Palin clan has put him through. That tower of psychological pain being built in Wasilla is a sickening image.
So, does Playgirl have decent interviews like PlayBoy had or is it only about revealing photos instead of "crackin" Babygate facts?
Does anyone have a link to that interview with Levi in his driveway while sitting in his truck just after convention? He seems to still be that fresh faced, shyish but direct talkin' kid. Said nice comments about Obama too around that time if I recall right, not surprising how he gets along with Tank and Rex.
I have to say that Levi getting a job on the slope ahead of others who were qualified for the position was wrong. If Sarah is the one who leaked it, then that shows her pettiness against those who aren't in her inner circle (the ones she has no problem bending the rules for). But he should NOT have had that job regardless.
ReplyDeleteIf Levi is paying child support, he has a damned good case.
ReplyDeleteScarah did not have (or adopt Trig) for any purpose other than to bolster her pro-life, anti-abortion, right wing wacko credentials.
ReplyDeleteMcCain was TOLD to choose a pro-lifer or risk losing all support from the religious nutters in the GOP. He could have chosen Romney, Crist, Pawlenty, or any one of a number of pro-life people. HE couldn't stand any of them so he chose Palin, thinking in his 'women are second class' way that he could control her.
Her having (or adopting) a Downs Syndrom baby instead of aborting it was serious gold to folks like Dobson et al.
Levi is no mental giant, but neither is any member of the Palin clan. I spent a lifetime where I had to listen to people and determine whether they were honest and I feel Levi is telling the truth. As for Sarah...if you turn the volume off and watch Sarah's eyes sometimes she is telling the truth or she is doing an excellent job of acting. Turn the volume on and you face the real dilemma. Is Sarah lying, doesn't know the answer to the question, or just engages her mouth before putting her brain in gear?
ReplyDeleteMy feeling is the truth eludes Sarah Palin. She feels a religious entitlement to public office and public fame.
Gryphen ~
ReplyDeleteLet me guess -
The supposed date of Tripp's birth- Dec 27, 2008- is really Trig's birthday in 2007 - Dec 27. At that point, Trig was really named Tripp. That sure would make it easy to doctor baby #2's birth certificate... just change the 7 to an 8 - same name, same parents (?) ...
Any merit here? JJ
about a year ago, I, like many others, was looking for evidence of Trig's birth on hospital web-sites. Of course, he was not listed at the hospital where he was supposedly born. I looked at hospitals around Anchorage, and found an announcement for a baby boy, born in March, to a Levi and _____. I can't remember the name of the mom, but I was struck by the name Levi (not a very common name). Did anyone else see this? Could they have listed the birth with Bristol's middle name as a cover? Of course, those birth records are no longer available, at least to someone as ignorant of computers as I am.
ReplyDeletethe name was amber
ReplyDeleteanon @4.46
ReplyDeleteYou obviously read Patrick's post at palingates!
Wow. I bet Sarah is rethinking her abstinence only sex education position now....she probably wishes she put Bristol on the pill, huh?
ReplyDeleteGrammy's going down in a blaze of glory, and it just gets better by the day. I sure hope Oprah is watching!
It's a small thing, I guess, but it would be nice to hear Levi refer to his son as Tripp, not "my kid". Levi's young, I get that, but his child is a person, who has a name, not just Levi's co-owned possession, and language reflects our attitudes.
ReplyDeleteI remember in an interview with Pay she said she considered an abortion when "pregnant" with Trig. I thought it was an odd confession at the time given her big prolife anti abortion stand. McCain over estimated what the right wing nuts could do for him. He tried to steal Hilary's supporters away from the Democrats. That was partly the reason he selected Pay. Also Franklin Graham who is playing a big behind the scenes role insisted McCain choose Pay. McCain is a cynical, pragramatic old fart & I can't wait for he & Lieberman & Lindsay Graham to me taken down. They played the wingnuts for what they could & when they realized they are losing Independants & sane Repubs they are distancing themselves from them. They have left this country with racists who feel an entitlement to their disgusting views. They gave them a platform, validity & a voice.
ReplyDeleteIs anyone besides me a little nervous that $arah is going to pull a "Mack Phillips" and tearfully admit to everything on Oprah? Just to put her in a different light as opposed to the criminal she really is. If Oprah starts advertising an "explosive" interview with $arah, I say all the bloggers and whoever knows anything lay their cards on the table. Someone has to beat her to the punch.
ReplyDeleteGrandparents right depend on the state. I live in IL where grandparents have NO rights. The only way a court would listen to a grandparent about anything is if the child was going to be removed from the home. Anyone know grandparent rights in AK?
ReplyDeleteI think that Track has more to do with babygate than we are being led to believe.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that S'arah wasn't pregnant. Done deal. We know Trig is not "hers" biologically and I hope that it's proven at some point in court. I think also that Levi says "kid" to refer to Trig. I think Tripp is not his child and that the photo op was a set up by S'arah to "prove" Tripp was his. Bristol's been a busy girl and there are a lot of secrets. Perhaps Tahd will grow a pair and spill after his divorce.
I will never feel sorry for Bristol, either. She has chosen to stay with her mother and will suffer the consequences of this decision for the rest of her life. She's a big girl now, and a mother to boot.
Go Team Levi. I hope the beanpot spills soon. I'm getting tired of the speculation. And if the Alaska blog followers have proven one thing iver the past year, it's that they are always ahead of the informatio curve. We know the truth. It's time that the world knows, too.
6:02 anon
ReplyDeletethat would be pragmatic....sorry fat fingers & small keyboard & not enough coffee
Let's cut the crap like "Bristol, on the other hand, has (on the surface, at least) a structured and secure home life---"
ReplyDeleteIt wouldn't be the surface that interests the legal process. Psychological evaluations are not out of the question.
The Palin family is notorious in family court matters. They have been admonished by a Judge for child abuse. They were warned and they are repeating the abuse.
I don't know if Levi is thinking of suing Sarah Palin for alienation of affection or some other violation of his rights. It is something he may consider.
Levi needs emergency attention to get into a stable pattern for Tripp's visitation with his father. The custody and visitation matters will be in family court with Bristol.
Private. Interfering Sarah is something else.
I don't know what huge secret Levi is talking about. If he can show Palin is a criminal and liar, Bristol is weak and can't stand up to the lies and that is the environment where his son is forced to live that would be interesting.
The huge secret that can "take Palin down" or get her in trouble will come out.
Dream on...this will have NOTHING..REPEAT NOTHING TO DO WITH SARAH. Both Levi and Bristol are adults and the parents. Visitation is between them and them alone. Poor Levi is believing the crap his attorney is feeding him
ReplyDeleteand anyone that knows anything about child custody knows Sarah would not be involved. If, it ever gets in a court room it will not be made public. In fact, the Judge could rule that Levi cannot make anymore public statements regarding the Palin family. This is when his body guard and attorney throw him under the bus. He will no longer be any use to them. How many programs has he been on in the last week?? WHAT DID YOU ALL FIND OUT....N O T H I N G!!!!
You all are like a herd of sheep just waiting for news. There is No THERE THERE...if there was it would have been out by now. Poor Levi is being taken down a bad road with the help of his handlers. In a poll almost 80% of the people think he is a jerk and should go home, get his education and a real job
How many of you would like your son to be doing this to your grandchild and daughter??? Any decent person thinks this kid is a jerk doing this to his son. And, did you read his twitter account yesterday. "WOULDN'T YOU SHOW YOUR xxxx IN PLAYGIRL FOR $35,000?" The judge would love that one.
I really don't think sarah is going to admit everything on oprah. she just doesn't have it in her to be truthful and admit she lied. she has an image (illusion) to maintain, and she's going to do whatever she needs to to keep it up.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 6:24 I don't know about Alaska, but do know that TX and Minnesota do not consider any grandparent rights except when placing children that have been removed from a home, then if the gp's are legit they are the first choice before foster care for placement.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 11:54 No GAL are not usually named in most custody cases.
the first step in usually DNA test
income is considered when setting child support...but not custody or visitation..they are two seperate issues.
second step is usually an agreed arrangement or else a judge will set it for the parents.
Levi's photo shoot will not hurt him at all, in fact the income earned will help.
Bristol will be hurt greatly in Family court if she has been interferring with Levi and Tripp's bonding time, the mother has NO rights to force Levi to spend time in her home for visitation.
My comments are my own opinions based on 25 yrs of medically fragile foster care and having been a CASA for 20 yrs.
Anon 6:01 pm Two brown eyed people can have a blue eyed child, as long as each parent has a recessive blue eyed gene. Then each child has a 25% chance of being blue eyed. This is basic Mendelian genetics. (Now two blue eyed parents can not have a brown eyed child - as blue eyed parents have two recessive genes and can only give their child blue eyed recessive genes.)
ReplyDeleteThe game would be over if sarah and todd both had blue eyes and Trig had brown...game over same for Bristol and Levi if they had blue eyes and Tripp had brown. Our work here would be mostly over lol!!!
LMAO @ juju:
ReplyDelete"you are all just like a herd of sheep just waiting for the news"
project much, juju? too funny.
anon @4:46
ReplyDeleteyou obviously read Patrick's post at palingates
No, I haed not checked that site yet. I was retelling what my crazy ultra right wing religious aunt spewed last year. She knows Dobson and his ilk well and was in on all the shit concerning the VP candidate for the GOP.
I rarely even listen to her but Patrick is spot on when he says what he did.
juju @ 6:55
ReplyDeleteYou are obviously upset--and definitely confused.
As if the Palin family wasn't goofy enough already...
"How many of you would like your son to be doing this to your grandchild and daughter?"
Say what?
Are you suggesting that Track is somehow involved in this fiasco? Or, did I miss something and you are now telling us that Levi is actually "Sarah's son," too-- which would make him him Bristol's...oh, surely not. So, based upon your mangled question, Sarah now has three sons: Track, T1 and Levi. lol
Anyway, judges are required to (and do) look at the "big picture environment" of a child in custody cases.
It has been, and still is, apparent that Levi expresses only kindness toward Bristol (the mother of his child). And, it is more than obvious that (from his perspective, anyway) his former would-be inlaws have done all they can to drive a wedge between these two young people-- this is inadvertently causing some really nasty fallout on the child. As long as Bristol's parents and extended family have an overwhelming influence on her, they are relevant and it is reasonable to believe that they would be factored into any custody and visitation decisions that a judge might make.
P.S. If you really have a problem with pics of Levi being published in "Playgirl," I can think of only one solution--and it really is a simple one--don't look at them! If others choose to--let them. And, by the same token, you have the option of not looking at websites and posted comments, if they bother you. Others also have the right to read, think and decide for themselves.
A good relationship counsellor might reasonably suggest to Bristol and Levi that they both, for a while at least, step as far away from their relatives as possible and determine exactly how they, together, would like to handle the next eighteen years of their lives--because that's how long their dual and direct responsibility for their son is going to last. And they both need to clearly realize that someday, Tripp will be able to read and judge the behavior of his parents, grandparents and other relatives for himself.
So, perhaps, a less mangled and more pertinent question to ask, juju, is not what would I, or we, or anyone think--but instead, what will Tripp conclude about the whole matter when he is grown.
Anyone who was tricked into thinking that was actually Levi's twitter account would buy a bridge from nowhere from Queen Estados Confundidos .
ReplyDeleteWith all the fame and money that Levi is getting, I can imagine there are a couple of Wasilla hunks ready and willing to impregnate another Palin daughter. By 2012, another young lad or two will be hanging around Bristol or her younger daughter and subject to an inside view of the Palin household.
ReplyDelete9:36....You are so right. It is what Tripp will think of his father. I used the example hoping some might step back and think about "what would you think if your son was LIKE Levi and going on TV and talking about his son's mother and grandmother like Levi has...would you be proud?? Why did he do it?? you all have to admit Levi has said nothing of any importance and it is obvious he is being used). Would you be proud of your son doing a spread in Playgirl??? Maybe some would and that is OK...but I would bet 75% wouldn't be proud and most father's would say "Get your ass home son and man up...quit referring to your son as "kid"...finish your education, get a job
ReplyDeleteand fire those handlers...they are using you and making you look like a jerk?
juju ... Pay attention. People get it that Levi/Bristol visitation/custody is between them in family court.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget to read this again. http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140
Only you know what Levi means when he talks about big trouble? There could be other situations or a crazy grandma situation that lands them in court. Check your crystal ball again or your trusted sheeple herd.
My knowledge of similar matters is aligned with 8:09 AM. It will not favor Bristol to mess with her son's bonding with father, Levi. If "big picture environment" has a big ogre that shows undue influence that could set things off against a meddling grandmother. Especially one that also demeans a DS family member or the father of her grandchild. Both of those behaviors are abuse. The latter is on public record. Demeaning the DS child sounds like it was common place and Sarah taught others to accept it as "normal." Why wouldn't they carry on the abuse they learn at home? The family would have to testify if that comes up.
The whole "big picture environment" is important as to where Trigg can live and people that he can be exposed to. If it came up that a grandparent had taught lies to cover up a criminal activity that is not going to be ignored.
Bristol has the money from her Candies work. She could move to a place where her son is not exposed to abusive grandparents. She is making a choice to expose Trigg to the "retard" abuse and there is more.
I don't see Palin allowing this to go to court. I think that would be expensive and hard for Levi, but he would benefit to have court ordered mandates and clarity on DNA.
If the Palins are running any type of criminal operation from the compound and exposing Levi's son to their criminal ways, deception and abuse, that needs to be scrutinized for the benefit of the child. Bristol is coming off as if she is a kidnap victim and not able to care for herself. She throws herself into caring for the vulnerable, but that is not healthy emotions if she is avoiding dealing with her own issues. Lives are destroyed for less.
You are mixed up about the twitter account and the amount he is paid for legal work. That is not going to be a problem in court. It's part of the attacks on Levi and it is a lie.
Most people would be proud of a son who fights for his son. Levi has always shown respect towards Bristol, she did not show the same grace. He is not doing anything to her. He is standing up for his rights and for his son.
My mother has green eyes. My dad has brown eyes. Their first two kids have blue eyes. Their third has green eyes.
ReplyDeletejuju ... Will you please leave a link to where Levi is talking about his son's mother?
ReplyDeleteYou said... "Levi and going on TV and talking about his son's mother and grandmother like Levi has..."
I have not seen where he has done anything to disparage Bristiol. Please verify if he did.
Grandmother's are a whole different matter. He has a right to his opinions and to tell his side of this. We would all like to see a grand jury or everyone under oath to hash out all the differences. That may happen yet.
What did you mean "Why did he do it??" The Playgirl job is work. No big deal in the court of public opinion. There will always be those who make a big thing out of things like that. I can remember Jimmy Swaggart was against hookers, then he got caught with a hooker. Stories like that are endless. Usually the people who act pious over naked images are the ones who are the biggest hypocrites.
If you feel Levi's handlers are a problem for him you must have some compassion for Levi? If you were his father, you might get what he is going through. You might see a young man doing his best to stand up for what he feels is right for his son.
You would feel proud if you saw he lost his child and he is doing what he can to care for his child and to be in his life.
Remember Levi is stating that he has been paying support. It is the liars that call him a dead beat Dad and say he doesn't make child support. They also say he has a twitter account and says he was paid $35,000. Can you verify or is all that a lie?
Other reports say he is earning six figures. I don't know all his options to earn money. If he wants to retain a family attorney, support his son and family, and all else he made a good call. He can begin to bond with his son sooner. I think that is what matters to him.
Bottom line is no one should interfere with the parenting of a young man like Levi. If they do, whether it is Bristol or the grandmother, he has a right to call them out on their mistakes.
The baby names confused me!
ReplyDeleteI meant Tripp, not Trigg.
juju, Sarah (Ms. Struts in Swimming Suit) supports Carrie Prejean and she has topless photos circulating. Hypocrisy much?
ReplyDeleteJuju: Pot calling kettle!!! Didn't xGINO just sell herself on ebay in a "shill" auction for aprox 68K????
ReplyDeleteHey...papa Heath complained that Levi needs to support his son, y'all at sea of urine called him a deadbeat dad, now he's a porn star????
Palin wants 100K to speak in Iowa!
Hypocrites y'all are!!!!
Hold the phone, juju:
ReplyDelete"What would you think if your son was LIKE Levi--and going on TV and talking about his son's mother and grandmother?..."
First of all, I have not heard him speak in any mean-spirited way about Bristol. In fact, in anything I have seen or read, which can be attributed to him, has been at least mildly (and more often fully) in support of her.
Now, that being said--what would I think? I would think that a much more relevant and important question you should be asking is:
"What would I think if my daughter was LIKE Sarah and went on TV and the national stage, lied through her teeth--exploited her minor children at every turn, put her unwed, pregnant daughter on display for the world to scrutinize and ridicule, involved an unwilling non-family member in her little charade, and through her ignorance and self-inflation was, by default, willing to consider herself worthy to possibly sit in the seat once occupied by George Washington? That is what I think the important question is--and, trust me, you don't want to hear my tyrade, if I were to proceed with an answer.
Now, obviously, you and I will never agree. That is fine. But, while you criticize Levi, you might want to check out a few photos which relate to Candies--Candies is Bristol's bailiwick.
When I point out that Tripp will someday be able to comprehend the storm that swept around him in his infancy, he will do so based on first-hand experience of all of them--and the roles each played in his life--i.e. the kindness, or lack thereof, shown him and the uncle/brother who is growing up with him.
You see, I have a feeling that any on-line pics of his father, etc. will, eighteen years from now, be long gone and he (Tripp) won't give a rat's mustache about them or your (and others') hyper-ventilating over the prospect of his daddy's body being exposed to a few cameras.
Apparently you and a few other holier than thous are already imagining what those pictures will look like--speculating and trying to visualize which of his body parts will be exposed and exactly how--otherwise you would be reserving any judgment until that same judgment can be based upon facts.
You see, juju, I think the more rational approach is to hold back judgment of him and the whole project at least until the friggin' film is developed!
I think the way Sarah is getting to Levi through Tripp is by the way she is calling Levi's baby Trigg, "a retard". They are my thoughts anyway.
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