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"Revolution starts with young people, not with 65 year old people talking about literacy tests and people who cannot say the word vote in English". Ms. McCain I bow to your insightful and eloquent dissection of the teabagger movement.I could not have said it better myself.
Meghan McCain has a book coming out later this year - I hear its non-complementary towards Palin..can't wait..
ReplyDeleteMeghan McCain - the GOP's very own "hope-y, change-y thing". Right on Meghan!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI bet her daddy is pissed off! Thanks to Meghan for speaking the truth. I grew up with Republican parents and they would never have embraced the teabaggers and what they spew. In fact, they never would have embraced what the GOP is today. Sadly, they aren't here to give a voice. This young lady is spot on.
ReplyDeleteI think Senator McCain is proud of his daughter. She is intelligent and pretty. (Unlike Mrs. Palin and her follower daughter, Bristol.)
ReplyDeletePalin is too old to be called a young revolutionary. Figure that one out.
ReplyDeleteI've always liked her. Levi and Meghan could destroy sarah. Wish they would.
ReplyDeleteMegan McCain has more balls than her old man...a very gutsy young woman to speak the truth...lets hope more Republicans like her come out of hiding. Wonder if Sarah is going to attack her.
ReplyDeleteMMcC can be hit & miss. Sometimes she comes off great, other times she comes off ditsy.
ReplyDeleteI think with age, she will mature & be at least one voice of reason in the GOP.
(although some extreme right wingers accuse her of being too left to be a republican.)
Thanks again G!
Pssst, Meghan...
ReplyDeleteYou're pro-choice,
you're pro-marriage equality,
you're anti-teabagger...
YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT!
I know you say "Red 'til I'm dead" but let's be honest it's really "Red 'til my old, nasty, Palin-foisting father is dead", isn't it?
Here is Palin's problem.
ReplyDeleteIf Tancredo's idea ever took hold, that 'literacy' and 'civics' test would knock out most of her voters.
I'm just saying ......
Ms. McCain means revolutions are started by young, rich, well-connected and good-looking people (hint, hint) with a senator for a father.
ReplyDeleteIsn't Governor Quittypants - Queen of the Tea Baggers -- scheduled to go campaign for McCain? Wonder how Meghan is dealing with that.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Bristol, she looks like she had her nose done. I saw her at Safeway today and it looks thinner. Do you know anything about this Gryphen?
ReplyDeleteGryphen, I respectfully disagree.
ReplyDeleteThe shock of hearing her say this about the movement Palin was supporting considering that her Dad foisted Palin upon is what is remarkable.
Making broad statements about age is not quite appropriate either, though I concede, many of the Teabaggers look over 60. However, remember most boomers are that age or older and a large majority of them are not ignorant conformists.
She also got it wrong; the literacy tests have been in place since the late 1800's - not just the 1950's.
So, close but no cigar. I agree with Anonymous 6:49 who said Meagan is really hit and miss. Mind you, she has more potential than most young Republicans who seem to be subscribing en masse to the Carl Rove strategies.
Congratulations to Meagan for speaking out and standing against some of the worst aspects of that TP Convention. I hope this is just the beginning of a strong, rational voice. We need more moderates in both parties and fewer rigid extremists.
I have liked her since I started hearing her voice expressed regarding the R Party, of which she is a member. I thought she sounded silly while speaking in this clip but I appreciate her realism that our country has grown since it was founded and laws/rights should be changed because of the people. The problem with both parties, apparently, is to stay away from the middle until election time.
ReplyDeleteYes anonymous 7:18. I do.
ReplyDeleteGood for Meghan! Too bad her father doesn't have her courage.
ReplyDelete$arah's "motivational" speech in Houston today was rated a FAIL
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"I wasn't motivated" one man said to me in the elevator as I left the speech, "she sounded un-prepared and erratic and focused an awful lot on her script."
Yeah, Quitter, mock the teleprompter again.
"Revolution starts with young people..."
ReplyDeleteOh, for heaven's sake! You people need to write stuff on your palms or something. Or look more closely at Sarah's palms. Or at least look at the internet's palm if you don't know things:
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From WikiAnswers:
What was the average age of the founding fathers?
In 1776, the average age of the Founding Fathers was 43.8
Adams, John - 41
Adams, Sam - 54
Bartlett - 47
Braxton - 40
Carroll - 39
Chase - 35
Clark - 51
Clymer - 37
Ellery - 49
Floyd - 42
Franklin - 70
Gerry - 32
Gwinnett - 41
Hall - 52
Hamilton - 21
Hancock - 39
Harrison - 50
Hart - 64
Hewes - 46
Heyward - 30
Hooper - 35
Hopkins - 69
Hopkinson - 39
Huntington - 45
Jay - 32
Jefferson - 33
Lee, Francis - 42
Lee, Richard - 44
Lewis - 63
Livingston - 60
Lynch - 27
Madison - 26
McKean - 42
Middleton - 34
Morris, Lewis - 50
Morris, Robert - 42
Morton - 51
Nelson - 38
Paca - 36
Paine - 45
Penn - 35
Read - 43
Rodney - 49
Ross - 46
Rush - 31
Rutledge - 27
Sherman - 55
Smith - 57
Stockton - 46
Stone - 33
Taylor - 60
Thomson - 47
Thornton - 62
Walton - 27
Washington - 44
Whipple - 46
Williams - 45
Wilson - 35
Witherspoon - 53
Wolcott - 50
Wythe - 50
I seem to remember that Megan stayed away from the media when her dad was running in the Republican primary against Bush in 2000. She might have still been in college then.
ReplyDeleteWhen the last campaign was just getting started, I saw an interview where she said she had been a Democrat and had much different views than her father but she switched parties for her Dad (forever I guess).
I give her credit for maintaining her liberal views on social issues even though she changed parties to support her father.
What does it say about the GOP when the most cogent voice of reason is Meghan McCain? That is not meant as a slight to Ms. McCain. She has consistently been rational, realistic, and honest. She has been all the things the teabaggers have not. She may not exactly be an intellectual, but she sure as hell has been smarter than any other public figure in the GOP as of late.
ReplyDeleteI'm with britsy bluebell. Meghan sounds like a combination of Alvin the Chipmunk and a Valley Girl. In this case, she had something worth while to say. I am glad that she spoke out against literacy tests and racism, even if she is not a good student of history.
ReplyDeleteMeghan appeared on Bill Maher's show some time ago, and some one made a political reference and then turned to Meghan for comment. Meghan showed her shallow amount of study by saying that she wouldn't know because she wasn't born then (let's say when Ike was President). The guy looked at her and replied that he wasn't born during the French Revolution, but that didn't prevent him from studying about it.
I put Meghan McCain and Liz Cheney in the same category, famous because they are the daughters of politicians. They have little to say, and they express it poorly. What is surprising is that Meghan actually spoke out against racism. Good for her. Now, Meghan, get a voice coach.
Anon @ 7:32,
ReplyDelete"she also got it wrong; the literacy tests have been in place since the late 1800's - not just the 1950's."
I think you meant to say "HAD been in place" as the tests were abandoned in the wake of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was subsequently upheld by multiple Supreme Court rulings. The ban on literacy tests was also extended to non-English speaking citizens by the Supremes.
As to the bit about the teabaggers being over 60, that does not, ipso facto, mean that OTHERS also over 60 are likewise morons. To be a member of that idiot tribe you have to stand next to the sign that says, "To be a teabagger you have to be THIS stupid."
Unless you are ignorant, paranoid, racist, bigoted, fearful, and EXTREMELY gullible, the teabagger talking points will seem ludicrous and imbecilic. You simply must be a moron to be a teabagger. It is a requirement.
It is a sad fact that as some people age, they become more gullible and more fearful. How do you think all of those televangelists thrive? These fearful elderly are the folks that find teabaggery appealing in a hysterically paranoid kind of way.
Some one posted that there is a new site up abt Palin....This is how you get to it (pardon my language, but this is the name of it)...SarahPalinisafuckingretard.com.... Shows her high school IQ test score...83 ROFLMAO..83..not even 90......83
ReplyDeleteThank you Anonymous 8:04. That is one list Meagan should see!
ReplyDeleteTo Gasman: thanks for catching the wrong choice of words. I am Anonymous 7:32 and I did mean "had."
In addition, I agree with you about the ageism statement. That's what I was trying to convey, except that I would allow some exceptions as you did for those who are mentally or emotionally too weak to turn away from this dribble. Morons they may be; tragic pawns is the more likely scenario.
I think you're right, advanced age can enhance fear and diminish mental acuity - but that's not a given. That's why I was trying to rail against Meagan's pronouncement about generations, and why I was glad to see the list of revolutionaries with their ages listed by
Unless dementia is a factor, I suspect seniors who buy into the Tea Party do so because they identify the kind of emotional patriotism that was prevalent and perhaps even necessary during World War II. It might also explain why so many of these folks are so blindly loyal to Reagan and McCain.
Ronald Reagan was part and parcel of the Hollywood machine that cranked out propaganda-based films intended to consolidate the nation against our declared enemies. I believe that that has played a large part in Senator McCain's popularity. If people research his military record and what some of his men said of their time in the prison camp with him, you begin to see cracks in the facade that has been built up around him, no disrespect for his service intended - merely some reasonable reservations against his perceived untarnished hero status.
Gasman, being a moron certainly seems an easy threshold to be teabaghood, but I think it applies more to some than to others.
As you pointed out, some might simply be frightened, easily manipulated people who are susceptible to charismatic speakers. This is particularly true, I think, for those who are congregants of churches with those kind of leaders or are children of overbearing parents.
It doesn't excuse their affiliation with a hate-based agenda, but it might explain it.
Thanks again, Gasman for catching my error regarding word choice. Your comments are always worth reading.
Thanks again to Anonymous 8:04. I do so hope people pick up on that and re-post it on other blogs.
I for one am all for having a voting literacy test required of ALL voters. In fact, we can use a test we already have - the Citizenship and Naturalization Test (not sure if that's the actual name, but you know which one I mean.)
ReplyDeleteThis test would mean that all our new citizens are automatically IN, and most of the Teabaggers would be . . . OUT. Including Sarah "George Washington" Palin.
7:01 pm, to finish your statement, the rule would also prevent palin from voting. also, too.
ReplyDeleteI don't really trust Meghan, or Levi for that matter. Even if they have tales to tell outta school. They are too close to the headmaster, too many sticks in the fire, individual reasons for cover-up and say they have a book to sell later. Thanks for the public crumb anyway, Meghan.
ReplyDeleteNow, spill the beans on this threat to our nation called Sarah Palin. We know you musta loaned Bristol that dark gray dress she padded so horribly on the RNC convention stage. We know you saw an eyeful with the Palin girls when you were pallin' around with infant Trig on the McCain campaign bus.
Can't be a tea-totaller type among teabaggin' relatives yourself, sorta drank the koolaid by muzzling the truth about their hero.
IMO, one should not get into knots over MMcC dissing the teabaggers and Scarah. Also some of the comments are so lavish, one may mistake MMcC to be the next Messiah!
ReplyDeleteGuys, wake up! She is just one privileged kid, with the right pedigree and thankfully some brains, in spite of being Cindy and John Sidney McCain's daughter. She never had to prove herself, or do anything of any worth to get the pedestal she is on today. Tomorrow is another day, and there will be another good bad or ugly statement from her.
Because you guys are reacting to her so viscerally, you would probably be drawn into reacting to that part too, which makes you guys a bunch of yo-yos bouncing from one extreme to another. Take a deep breath, relax and respond, rather than react! That too, if necessary! I don't see a pressing need on this matter at least.
That said, I luuv the lass' chutzpah, and Want her book in August to be a zinger as well!
Whoa, wait a minute! I'm almost at that 65-year-old limit, and I resent the implication that I can't start (or be involved in) a revolution. Are we not engaging in a revolt against Palin, her teabaggers, and their "ideals" for America? Yes, we are.
ReplyDeleteO/T, but I received bad news yesterday when Amazon sent me a note saying that Geoffrey Dunn's book on Palin will not be published until July 22. At first I was pissed, and then I began to wonder if he's taking time to add some more "lies" to the tome. Does anybody have information on that situation?
Looking at the average age to death was less than 39 years of age in the 1840. It didn't get to over 40 as an average until 1850's, so average age of 43+ in 1775-6 were old by the average of that time in history.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we should have a test for pols. running for office. The first part would be questions on the Constitution, and the Declaration of independence.
ReplyDeleteThe second part would be a lie detector test.
Meghan McCain is no Margaret Chase Smith, but at least she is taking a stand against Sarah Palin's adoring teabaggers.
ReplyDeleteBut real revolutions don't get started by rich Republicans, either, even if they're young and might have a few "progressive" ideas. Meghan may be full of herself and have a forum right now--but you have to remember that she has access as a wealthy daughter of a senator. She's not going to completely burn her bridges or cut herself off from her privilege.
ReplyDeleteI remember the 60s very well. Yes, young people were all over the place, protesting the Vietnam War, civil rights, etc. But there was NO revolution then, simply a swelling of progressive and left ideals, and the leaders weren't necessarily young. When I remember "young", I think more of the hippies, the Yippies, etc., not the real players.
Martin Luther King, for example, was no kid, he was a seasoned, middle aged fighter who took the high road. Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem and other women's rights leaders were getting long in the tooth. Harvey Milk and other gay leaders were mature politicians.
The "kids" made a lot of noise, but they looked to the mature leaders, also. I was there as well, in my late 20s and already w/2 kids. There were mothers, fathers, grandparents also marching in those days for peace and social justice, right alongside much younger people.
Grandma68
Young people who are not entranced either by television or their "leaders" have to be concerned with the drive/plummet toward anarchy espoused by say ruh and her "ilk". There is no structure for a young person to invest in an education and build a meaningful career in the gibberish of the teabaggers. They've had their 15 minutes. Ms. McCain's comments are to be expected. I didn't admire her restraint earlier though I believed her "silence" was motivated by civility and propensity to decency and "horrors" kindness. There is a place on this planet for unvarnished truth.
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ReplyDeleteGeoffrey Dunn was on Shannyn Moore's show yesterday (hour 1-link below) and he discussed his book all things Palin. He mentioned that he's still following up leads and hopes to have the book done in a few weeks and then it's off to his editor/publisher.
http://cache.mypodcast.com/cached/shannynmooreshow_20100209_1610-597790-284981-3.mp3
YES! 12:56 AM
ReplyDeleteMy thought is that MMcC was referencing the upheaval in the '60s because it was her mother's generation, not her father's, who were the most visible. Like it or not, the "hippies" are the ones who get the *credit*, i.e. the Beatles "You Say You Want A Revolution."
ReplyDeleteI get the distinct feeling that she's gotten a lot closer to her mom lately, especially after the eye-opening campaign. Her mom would have vented to someone about Sarah. Yes, she's been privileged, but she seems to be a pretty sharp little cookie for all the Valley talk.
Her generation's true leaders have not yet emerged. Remember, this group communicates in many more ways than earlier gens. They have access to many more people across the globe who share their views, even if we don't always hear about them (see Twitter Revolution in Iran--MSM? Anyone? Anyone?).
Give her time. She's out there with her mother's blessing. I'm predicting that once Johnny Mac has gone to his true reward, Cyndi may have a few things to say as well.
Okay... Here is a neat US History quiz.
ReplyDeleteVery simple, and not long.
Be HONEST, no CHEATING
http://games.toast.net/independence/
My score was 24
Gles, I got a 28, missed the impeachment and assassination questions. Ugh. : )
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Thank you, Anon @ 5:45 AM. I will certainly check this out!
ReplyDeleteGrandma68 good deal! Stupid me I got the birth question on TX wrong..I thought it was Nixon and also the one on official language of the US...duh!
ReplyDeleteThanks Michelle for the link to $arah's "motivational" speech. So she fell flat once again. She can only play to a crowd like the Loggers who cheer at everything that comes out of her mouth. I don't care how much Murdoch spends on her or how crazy the teabaggers are about her. In order to be a real political player, at some point she is going to have to be interviewed by someone other than Fox. She is going to have to answer questions that she can't possibly have all the answers and cues written on her palm. She wouldn't last two minutes with KO or Rachel or Diane Sawyer. I think it was Gasman that said the other day it is not just that she is uneducated, it is that is is uneducatable.
ReplyDeleteI think it is admirable that Megan has called the teabaggers racist, agree that it is sad that she is the voice of reason for the GOP. Unfortunately, even more pitiful, is they seem to be totally unashamed that a twentysomething who is not holding political office is their voice of reason.
Regarding mental diminishment and old age, those with low educational levels are more likely to be cognitively impaired in elderhood.
ReplyDeleteSoCal, the photos of SP after the campaign, without the constant supervision of the campaign stylists, told me she is unteachable. She is a vain woman. She had the full attention of the country's best stylists for two months. And yet, it is clear from her post-campaign appearance that she learned little or nothing from the experience.
Some people of average, less than average, or above average intelligence quotients are really marginally "trainable" which is a category below teachable. Narcissists cannot learn much because new information regarding their relative position among others would demote them in their own minds and they cannot allow this. Teaching (or valid new information) actually is experienced as a life threatening attack on their super-egos. Their first job in life is to overwhelm their family authorities and then they "progress" from there - to the world. Why not. Also, too, why learn communication protocols when one's own idioms are so superior. Any correction from others is experienced as a threat upon his/her life. And the narcissist uses all resources available to recompense and correct those who will not submit and obey the narcissist. Why do we expect such people to "learn"? Or value education? :) Why do we vote them in to office? I don't think we do.
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