JD actually has the balls to tell Rachel that she has her facts wrong. Let me say that again. This toolbox challenges RACHEL MADDOW about her facts. Has he never seen her show?
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Does anybody else find Hayworth to be an especially slimy politician?
By the end I think that Hayworth would have gladly gotten down on his knees and crawled out of the room if he thought he could pull it off without losing any hope of getting elected.
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ReplyDeleteI seriously felt in need of a very hot shower after watching him...slimy is too polite a word.
I'll wait to see the whole exchange after I download Maddow's podcast. I can only imagine that battle of wits, or should I say wit? Maddow is easily the smartest host of ANY TV show. She is a Rhode Scholar with a Ph.D. and she does her homework. Anybody who takes her on better have done their's. Only an arrogant fool would think that they could bluster their way through any exchange with Maddow. Hmm, sounds like something Palin might do...
ReplyDeleteHayworth stikes me as being about one or two points smarter than the average teabagger: he's none too bright. I'm glad Maddow gave him the big ol' dope slap he so richly deserves.
Her facial expressions were to die for!!
ReplyDeleteRachel was great.
ReplyDeleteNever have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.
I really want McCrabby beat but I don't know if this guy can deliver the goods. Maybe the teabagger will come through.
The horse comment, with someone called Hayworth, no less, is truly ironic.
ReplyDeleteIt amuses me how he tried speaking in circles while Rachel kept serving up the facts. Rachel was totally in control while he was squirming in his seat. I absolutely love Rachel.
He is so condescending. His slime-ball delivery wasn't at all believable.
ReplyDeleteIf you go up against Maddow you better have all your ducks in a row. He didn't. She makes her points so politely. It is great fun to watch.
ReplyDeleteHayworth was amazing. He ran his mouth, kept talking and didn't seem to say anything of substance. What a slick piece of business. He never did answer Rachel's charges that he took money from people associated with Jack Abramoff. She really does her homework! And, someone has to watch his entire interview to count how many time he said, "Rachel, Rachel, Rachel."
ReplyDeleteOle JD likes to pat the lil women on the head, dont he...
ReplyDeleteAZ in a hurt.
ewww...is it just me or does that guy look like a villain out of a Batman flick...? The Joker meets the Penguin.
ReplyDeleteNever thought I'd be rooting for McCain to win an election, even if it's just the primary.
Oh and Rachel totally owned his ass. Bet it still stings.
ReplyDeleteHe's just the kind of dude that would love to watch two girls get intimate....although he won't vote to allow them to marry.
ReplyDeleteSick bastard; bet he's got some "gates" in his past aside from Abramoff money and the whole "horse" love thing....
He has the same smile as the Joker from Batman, plus politician hair and a fake tan. He's just bad, bad bad in so many ways.
Does Hayworth have a lasting, stable relationship? Unbridled passions? Like to run with the herd?
ReplyDeleteI'm having a little trouble seeing where Rachel beat him up, frankly. He is slimy, yes, right-wing radio slimy, and his slime was showing, but he seemed to me to have success stonewalling against the facts - which is what right-wing radio is all about, and he has a lot of practice. It's hard to remember sometimes that Rachel has only been at this tv thing about 1.5 yrs - and most of her experience is not questioning people who are adversarial, but having conversations with people who are not. I think this was a good learning experience for her. She doesn't yet have the legal cross-exam style that Tim Russert used so effectively, but once she gets more experience and learns how to set stonewallers up with some preemptive questions before she plays her hand, she'll be unbeatable.
I have to generally agree with Hoken. Hayworth just kind of oozed through it with that creepy smile and condescending attitude. Rachel is unfailingly polite, and I love her for her intelligent, respectful approach, but a guy like that...yuck! It made me shudder just to watch him.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Gryphen, for this post. This guy has a pretty good chance to win the primary against McLame since the right wing nuts have been unhappy with McLame's librul ways for years.
ReplyDeleteIt's important to note that in Arizona Hayworth isn't fringe, he's part of the majority that runs Arizona. He's a birther (in a manner of speaking), a mediocre right wing talk show host and an anti-immigration nut. The tea baggers have endorsed him, as well as the border patrol.
His "Mad Men" chauvinism is particularly disturbing and, unfortunately the dominant male type in northern Arizona.
There are some lesser known Democratic possibles who will try to defeat him, but they're new and probably really unknown in the north.
Rethugs vote more often, even in Democratic Tucson. So, it's going to be touch and go up to election day.
It's amazing to watch these nuts as they are interviewed locally. The media consistently treats them all with soft ball questions and with the kind of respect you'd show a human being with integrity.
We are often rendered speechless while watching them.
I'm guessing this is what happens in Alaska. It's just so hard to believe that these people can negotiate their way into positions of power...and then stay there. Astonishing.
Hayworth is worse than McLame. Democrats must win. Our state is being dismantled in the cruelest of ways, mostly affecting children and the sick and poor.
Keep up the good work! Barf bags have been reinforced, loins have been girded.
"Quote-unquote" leaves no room for anything to be in the quotes. Drives me nuts.
ReplyDeleteShe's good. Man, she has her facts.
I'll have to agree with Hoken. As much as one would like to see RM beat him up, he easily made it through this interview and left her a bit flummoxed at the end.
ReplyDeleteI am an Arizonan who can say unequivocally that JD Hayworth is as bad or worse than McCain and despite his Abramoff connections he might just sail past Johnny. The lesser known candidates in the south (where I reside) are pretty weak.
This woman is brilliant and inspirational... would love to see Palin do an interview with her!
ReplyDeleteHe is sooo creepy and very, very slick. the voice is well tuned. Love what he said about the FEC not "helping him" out. Jeez, it's not their job to help politicians out. They just report the money and stay out. I think the "helping" thing should have come from the Justice Dept.
ReplyDeleteHe's a slime bag and needs to stay out of Washington.
Some one found the secret to Palin's brain:
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All this talk about McCain and Hayworth - who is running on the Dems side?
ReplyDeleteHoken and Lynne have a point. Hayworth would appeal to some. On the surface, he comes across as a more confident candidate than McCain. Thank goodness we have Rachel to ferret out the bad stuff.
Another reason Rachel Maddow should be the host of "Meet the Press." In time for 2012.
ReplyDeleteKudos on the new format, Gryphen. This old gal with fading eyesight finds it much easier to see and navigate. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteJDH is slimy and arrogant. I'm sure Rachel will do a follow-up on tonight's show and reiterate the facts as she stated them last night, despite his denials.
Many don't want McCain to hold his seat any longer, but they also don't want JDH in his place. We can only hope a good Democrat steps forward.
What a slimy condescending jerk acting as though he was schooling Rachel! And all he could come up with when she nailed him on his bogus claim that Massachusetts defines marriage as intimacy was that they had a difference of opinion. No you idiot, you are LYING and your teabaggers eat up your lies and talking points without questioning anything. One of my favorite comments in Alan Grayson's email about Palin was when he "thanked Palin for alleviating the growing shortage of platitudes in Central Florida"
ReplyDeleteGiven the prominent browridges, I'd have to wonder how evolved this man is compared to the general population.
ReplyDeleteBut that would be petty and mean of me to assess intelligence based on one's appearance.
Great interview. When I was younger, I wish there were more women like Rachel around to look up to. A little off topic: Who is the person on the Progressive AK blog? Such a disturbing picture, but no story. Just heart breaking poems.
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I reluctantly have to conclude that his supporters view this as his win over Rachel. It became his word versus hers and they know not to believe a "socialist/fascist liberal". I love Rachel's show but she is not Chris Matthews for confrontational interviews.
ReplyDeleteAgree with Anon. 3:11am.
ReplyDeleteMy congressman? Trent "African Americans are better off than when they were slaves" Franks. My Senators John "I was for reforms before I was against them" McCain and Jon "unemployed people don't want to get a job" Kyl. Any wonder why I beat my head against a wall daily? Vote John Thrasher for Dist 2 in Congress.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone think this man looks like the Grinch? when he grins?
ReplyDeleteBtw, JD took Abramoff $$ to pay his wife.
ReplyDeleteJD from wiki:
Between 1999 and 2005, Hayworth received $69,000 from lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his clients, primarily from Indian tribes. $62,000 of the money went to TEAM PAC.[13][broken citation] After Abramoff was convicted of defrauding the tribes, Hayworth decided to keep the donations.
Between 2001 and 2005 inclusive, Hayworth's wife Mary was paid $20,400 per year by TEAM PAC...
Through the end of 2004, the fund had paid $107,000 for her salary and payroll taxes, or roughly 26 percent of its $411,000 in revenue. The PAC also paid $70,000 to an outside political consultant and a California bookkeeper, bringing fundraising and administrative expenses 43 percent of the total revenue.[8]
I think Hayworth is scum but I would still like to see him unseat McCain. McCain has acted like a jerk ever since he lost the election and after all, he brought us Sarah Palin.
ReplyDeleteJD and his smarmy grin.
ReplyDeleteHe is another of the Ken/Barbie types the rw is pushing into elections.
They are preferring the barbie types
based on selling-by-appearance-only.
He DID get smacked around pretty hard... "..especially slimy politician is a GREAT description of JD BUT, the dim-witted electorate in Arizona seem to want to wash their hands of Johnny boy and his "liberal' ways so they'll probably elect Jack's boy...
ReplyDeleteArizona will be a COMPLETE dust bowl in under a year after they elect him..
I have to agree with those who thought Hayworth held his own with Rachel. She was effective, yes, but with his smarmy manner, he was able to come out on the same level.
ReplyDeleteHe is pretty bad. I'd like to see him beat McCain only if to punish McCain for having foisted off Sarah Palin on the nation.
I wonder if Janet Napaletano would have stood a chance as the Dem candidate for Senate? I really don't think it was good for the Obama Administration to take her out of Arizona.
About the third time Hayworth told RM she had her facts wrong, I was beginning to salivate, knowing she'll really rip him a new one on her program tonight. Politely and civilly, of course!
ReplyDeleteHave any of those few bigots who had the arrogance to think they were going to show that uppity dyke how they handle such women escaped being eviscerated by her on the next night's program. Not a one! Hayworth will be visiting his proctologist very soon.
As for the Russerts, how on earth can anyone with a functioning brain ever believe either one (or their corporate media peers) ever asked a probing question with a real followup, or insisted on an answer. Hah, nothing but softballs. If they want to keep their corporate media jobs, that is.
After the Phil Donohue debacle a few years back, NBC seems to have learned its lesson and we are privileged to experience the likes of RM and KO. See, corporations are ALL bad. Just mostly.
My condolences to the readers who still live in Arizona and are represented by this gang. I had the misfortune to be represented by JD. He mostly stayed away from our area, because we would have nailed him, but he had a huge district including two Indian Reservations (Hopi, Navajo). He had just enough good ol boys backing him to keep being re-elected. I agree with the Arizona's: he is worse than McCain. I wish the Arizona Democratic party could get a good candidate.
ReplyDeleteArizona is such a political cess-pool. I wish I had gotten out of here before all my real estate values swirled the bowl. Now I'm stuck.
ReplyDeleteMuch as I'd love to see the moron that inleashed the Palin nightmare on the entire country handed his ass, JD Hayseed is so much worse on so many levels that it leaves one breathless. I really wish there was a viable Dem candidate to take on the bloodied winner of that primary. NOW would be a great time to bring AZ into the 21st century. I wish the national party were addressing this.
JD would be far worse than McCain and McCain will likely have his hat handed to him on this go-round. Repubs and Dems alike despise him and the only reason he's hung around for so long is the same reason anyone in congress stays beyond their buy date...money and voter apathy...AZ isnt the only state with turkeys! Frankly I would love to see term limits of one 6 year term for Pres and one 4 year term for congress.
ReplyDeleteSo are there any worthy challengers to the seat that arent republican...unfortunately not although at this point anyone would be better than either Johnny or JD.
I've lived in AZ since 1974 and I can tell you its been a political cesspool. Janet was a fair Governor and should have stayed but, unfortunately, she has acquired the same disease that most politicians end up with...seeking higher office. Her move was a poor one for the nation and the state of AZ (when Janet quit we were left with Jan Brewer...what a disaster!)
On a positive note our Governors race should be a good one with Terry Goddard seeking the top spot.
Is it possible that Arizona has a bigger horse's arse than John McCain? JD Hayworth sure is working hard at taking that title... and RM sure smacked him good about his fabricated definition of marriage.
ReplyDeleteI just finished reviewing that opinion from a few years ago. RM is correct. What Hayworth uses as a quote simply does not exist in that document. He made it up. And then he ran like the intolerant fat-butted coward that he is.
Rachel M won the debate point, but Hayworth got to look like a gay-hater, which is exactly what he wanted all along. In Arizona (where my paretns & sister live so I know a little about it) is ripe (or rotten?) with people who share Hayworth's view of the world. It doesn't matter that he made up the quote. Because he said it his backers will believe it, true and accurate or not.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Hoken (above) and others how didn't think Maddow approached it right. His comment about "intimacy" was not what to attack. Lying doesn't bother people like Hayworth, nor does correcting the facts. Looking stupid does bother people like Hayworth. Rachel should have attacked that statement. For example:
RM: So Mr. Hayworth, are you really suggesting that a person can marry a horse?
JDH: According to what the Massachusetts Supreme Court says, all it takes is intimacy.
RM: Well, I don't think it say that and I've checked, so you're just wrong about that, but you're still contending that a person can marry a horse if we follow Massachusetts?
JDH: That's what they said about intimacy, so they would say that.
RM: Doesn't marriage require consent of both parties?
JDH:
RM: So you're saying a horse can consent to marry a person?
JDH: In Massachusetts they think so.
RM: Marriage still requires consent in Massachusetts, Mr. Hayworth. Are you insisting that a horse can give consent to marry a person because you just want to make the gay marriage look wrong even if it makes you look ridiculous?
JDH:
That's how Rachel M. should have taken him down a peg. Make him own his stupid comments and make the headline: "Hayworth Says a Horse Can Marry a Person"
Rachel was very professional and had her ducks in a row as usual, but I wouldn't say that she handed him his ass. He is too arrogant to to understand how slimey he appears.
ReplyDeleteI ABHOR McCain because he had the audacity to put Scarah Paylin on the national stage knowing full well that he really didn't know anything about her [and now the rest of our country is stuck with her idiocy], but the thought of this J.D. Hayseed being elected as senator of AZ is just impossible to comprehend. He's very much like McCain in that he's full of himself and I think our country has had more than enough of that type personality. Why is there no one else, either another Pug or a Dem who could feasibly take this 'narcissistic creature' out of the running. My understanding is that he has been affiliated with the Teabaggers, and I just hate like hell to have another McGramps [in a different body] win this election.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, Gryphen, Racheal is ALWAYS on top of her profession and ALWAYS has the 411 about every subject and every personality - Top Notch.
OMG, I hate him from the first word. Sliiiimy! And condescending -- I've kneecapped men for less. Staff thrown under the bus.. what a sweetheart to work for he must be. Is he claiming that the earmarks he accepted (just a spoonful of sugar) were unavoidable, due to the lack of line-item veto?
ReplyDeleteWell... okay. Not a knock-down-drag-out, and she held her own and a bit. If she'd had 10 more minutes -- even five -- I think Rachel would have taken him to the shed. But as it was? No. He didn't get away clean, but he did get away.
So... Geithner is up tonight. Soon. I'm hoping she does better, because she can.
The constant smirk on his face really got to me. I wanted to reach in there and give him a hard slap in the face that would have wiped it off!
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