The new poll from the Dem firm Public Policy Polling finds that a majority of likely GOP primary voters falsely believe Obama wasn't born in the United States. But this breakdown of their attitudes towards Sarah Palin is of particular interest:
A 51% majority of national GOP primary voters erroneously think President Obama was not born in the U.S. 28% know that he was. With the latter, Palin's favorability rating is 41-52 -- other than Ron Paul, the only candidate these voters view negatively. But with birthers, she has a soaring 83-12, far higher than for any of the others.
Okay let me get this straight, the group of people in this country the MOST focused on legitimate birth certificates are supporting SARAH PALIN?
Is somebody putting me on? Is that Ashton Kutcher hiding over there?
Seriously, is this a joke?
Does the phrase "There are none so blind as those that will not see" come to mind?
ReplyDeleteKind of says it all about sarah palin AND her followers.
Wonder what they will do when she WILL not show the birth certificate?
Can we start saying it's a fake??
The afterbirthers are only interested in the birth certificates of nonwhite, non lunatic Xtian politicians. Mama Grifter could claim that she got Trig after the Great Pumpkin deposited him in the pumpkin patch, and the afterbirthers wouldn't care.
ReplyDeleteIsn't that a Rove tactic? Transfer your weaknesses onto your opponent. Say, just for instance, Palin will not produce Trig's birth certificate, so she makes a big deal about President Obama's even though he has proven his authenticity. Where do these ignorant people come from? How do they function in "real life"? Anyone who seriously thinks Palin is qualified for office neeeds a mental evaluation.
ReplyDeleteNo, Uncle Gryphen, it makes total sense. The ONLY people who can accept Sarah's /pregnancy/birth story once they hear it are those who are terminally stoopid. The same stoopids who want to believe Pres Obama is a pretender to the office.
ReplyDeleteBut yes, the irony is mind f'ing.
I not only want to see Trig's birth certificate, I want DNA testing. Let's see Sarah's college diploma while we are at it. And also too there, Piper's school attendance records.
ReplyDeleteI mean, it's only fair.
And an IQ test on all the Palin's from the Lake Lucille compound.
ReplyDeleteThese are the same folks who would absolutely believe Sarah's wild ride story, and believe Bristol is a sweet young abstinent thing who only has boys living with her because they "love Tripp" and help her with baby chores. They believe SaRAHPAC uses all the money they send them for electing candidates, and that Sarah's hiring of high school buddies is because their jobs aren't really that hard..no brains required.
ReplyDeleteTime to write: A Tale of Two Birth Certificates
ReplyDeleteCan't wait to see Sarah's born in Canada birth certificate.
ReplyDeleteThat picture speaks to how wacko Sarah really is, she looks totally insane here.
ReplyDeleteWhat does Sara's birth certificate indicate? Was she really born in Canada as most people think?
ReplyDeleteSarah and "birthers", yeah that's believable. All of them including Sarah should be in straight jackets on a deserted island.
ReplyDelete(totally off topic- i have been noticing that the automatic rotating google ads displayed on Grypen's blog, have been a lot "classier" the last few weeks -American Express, Dooney & Bourke, etc.. I like the American Express gift cards.)
ReplyDeleteWe know "birthers" are ignorant, so, of course they would support Sarah Palin. I guess the irony, is the fact, that President Obama was really born in the United States of America and has a birth certificate to prove it, but Sarah Palin doesn't have a birth certificate that proves she gave birth to Trig. As a side note: I think (conjecture) that she hasn't and won't release her medical records because she has been treated for a mental illness, she has had a white-out, and had her tubes tied before the appearance of Trig.
Oh no, no, no, it isn't racist or trashist at all to think perhaps, that Barack Hussein Obama wasn't born in this country via his white mother not abstaining with a black muslin Kenyan.
ReplyDeleteYou LSMer's need to remember that these are just good, curious, questioning patriotic Americans that doubt every leader that doesn't look like them.
When a Washington insider looks like them, they are free to grow the budget, looking to the tax payer to bail them out - but we just get ill, ill across this great country when a person who pals around with washed up terrorists that accidentally kill a security guard in an empty off-hours building over the attempted assassination of a Congresswoman and the casualty of a 9 year old girl who did more for progressin our freedoms over my potential coronation any day.
So you owe these good people with a healthy distrust of anyone who doesn't look like the America the way you and I see it an apology. So thanks a lot there LSM, being so lame as I call it from the comfort of my Ivory Tower so as not to be accountable to Haters that some say makes up most of this treasonous country.
Also now, I believe my words here constitute a speech so where's my hundred thousand dollars?
After looking at Scarah's picture, well I needed some relief.
ReplyDeleteI hopped on over to Malia's blog here and read the jokes she has put up, they are hilarious - just what the Doctor ordered. Don't forget to read them, so funny.
The truth is the truth. The Birthers can't handle the truth, because it means that (gasp!) a BLACK MAN is the POTUS! The fact is that Obama was indeed born in HAWAII. The fact remains that Sarah Palin has yet to show a bc for Trig.
ReplyDeleteFor the birthers who cling to an outright falshood: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html:
Does that mean you have actually seen Obama's long form birth certificate?
ReplyDeleteEven though these birther people are chasing a non-issue, to make it even more of a non-issue is that President Obama's mother was a US citizen which means it doesn't matter where he was born (or Sarah, for that matter). Am I right in remembering that John McCain was born in Panama?
ReplyDeleteAnon at 4:54,
ReplyDeleteGive it up, already. I can't produce a "long form" birth certificate either, but I was born in California in 1964 with the accompanying birth announcements, photos, etc. My "short form" BC has served as ID just fine and so should Obama's.
It has been acknowledged by the powers that be (including Republicans) that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. The fact that the conservative-leaning Supreme Court won't take this up should tell you something.
This is stupid. There are justifiable reasons some people still question Obama's birth. The two hospitals on the record for having been the birthplace is a big one. Massive scrubbing was done in the past to hide other various facts. His book and what he chose to leave out is a big clue. People need to get over themselves and stop believing his intentions are pure. The past several years he has been riding the wave of anti republican. He knows exactly what he can get away with because the media doesnt report the meaty stuff. His lies, his exaggerations, his mythology is ignored because...I have no clue. He's the people's savior, yet he's doing nothing to help the majority of legal Americans. I sincerely hope AZ's lawsuit pans out and slaps this admin with a huge dose of karma. They deserve every bit of the bad tidings coming their way.
ReplyDelete@4:54 - no, I haven't seen it . But the FBI has, & that's why he was sworn in as a US Senator from Illinois in 2006. Do you birthers actually think that during the Bush-Cheney years they didn't do complete security checks on incoming junior US Senators????
ReplyDelete"Does that mean you have actually seen Obama's long form birth certificate?"
ReplyDeletelong....shmong
He has the same form as you and me. How many birth certificates do YOU have?
Well, it's easy Gryphen; they are prone to believe a set of highly questionable "facts", ie, the provably false story that Sarah told about the birth of "her" son, Trig.
ReplyDeleteWater broke in Texas yet got no exam in the hospital in TX mere blocks(?) from the hotel to see if dilation had started and labor was imminent, instead stayed to give a speech, then "hurried" back to Alaska with the original--not modified- flight plans, and "rushed" to the community hospital that does not care for high-risk pregnancies or special care infants, passing the Big Hospital in Anchorage with the NICU....sure, that's believable to these people.
Having a fifth pregnancy at age 43, and not showing at all even at 7 months along--completely believable.
See? The weirder the "facts", the more likely they are to be true, according to these folks.
Us? We call bullsh*t when we see it.
Another irony is that the birthers keep going on about Obama's birth certificate, yet none of them seem concerned that GWBush went AWOL in the National Guard. Several current and former state officials in Hawaii (including the current and previous governors) have both said they have seen the document. The current governor knew Obama's parents around the time of his birth.
ReplyDeleteYet nobody has ever stepped forwards and say they saw GWB show up for duty in Alabama nor has anyone said they have seen documents proving that he did so.
Aren't these people who claim to be concerned about the sanctity of the Constitution a bit bothered by having someone who went AWOL be the Commander in Chief of the military?
And I do not know if there is anything to be gained at this point by Obama releasing his BC. The birthers have already fallen for multiple fakes that supposedly proved he was born in Kenya. One of them was signed by "Dudley Doright".
@ 5:28 - "Trig" was her 7th pregnancy, according to Going Rogue....
ReplyDelete4:54 A.M,
ReplyDeleteBirthers don't give a damn about Barack Obama's long form birth certificate, or any other birth certifcate. They would just say it was a fake. Birthers are nothing but racist trash, who can't accept a black president.
Sarah Palin is looking mighty old. Time to go visit Bristol's chin doctor.
ReplyDeleteDoes Sarah Palin have connections to the Canadian companies making money from Alaska taxpayers?
ReplyDeleteOh, ROFL!
ReplyDeleteThey don't believe the birth certificate, but believe the empathy belly.
That's RICH.
"Anyone who can convince you of absurdities can convince you to commit atrocities."
ReplyDelete--Voltaire
I am certain she feels oh-so-at-home among this group.
ReplyDeleteCue the rant of inflammatory criticism at the POTUS in 3,2,1...
@ anonymous 2:43 am-
ReplyDeleteThey are enraged by their hatred.
they are so filled with self hate that it is externalized by projecting it onto others.
They, and she are alike. Major therapy needed.
I find it funny the way people get so outraged at suggestions that the mother of Trig Palin is guilty of doing despicable things, but no one seems to take issue with nasty things being said about the mother of Obama.
ReplyDeleteAnd to all those Obamabirthers STILL going on about fantasy irregularities and scrubbing: Don't you idiots realize that IT DOESN"T MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN. His mother is a US citizen, ergo he is a natural born US citizen. So stop making yourselves look like the idiots you are.
I had a child born overseas to a nonAmerican father. I know what I had to go through to get his American passport. His foreign birthplace is on his passport. I had to get a document called "birth of an American citizen abroad." It wasn't easy. I know a US diplomat married to a Greek who had to declare his daughter illegitimate in order to get her an American passport because she was born overseas (to take advantage of looser laws enacted for the illegitimate children of Vietnam soldiers brought to this country.) To suggest that Mrs. Obama could have run an end game around all that bureaucracy is laughable. It's like continuing to believe the moon is made of cheese.
5:18 AM,
ReplyDeleteNo, you're stupid. There are justifiable reasons most people still question the birthers. It's interesting how 95% of birthers are old, white, and conservative. That tells me all I need to know about this "movement." To the majority of the country, the birthers are bunch of kooks.
Are Barack Obama's intentions not "pure" because he's a black guy with a funny sounding name? What the fuck has $arah Palin, or the republican party ever done to help "legal" people (other than rich people) in this country? NOTHING! For a party who hates foreigners, they sure like shipping OUR jobs over seas to them. They put the country trillions of dollars in debt, and destroyed the economy. Sounds like the G.O.P. has "pure" intentions for this country. NOT. Gee, I wonder why there was an anti-republican wave?
WTF did Barack Obama leave out of his book? The crap about the two hospitals has already been easily de-bunked, too. There is no proof that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S. It's all a racist conspiracy theory. Give it up. You birthers need to get over yourselves, if you expect us to believe that birthers are not racists. Your constant bitching about "illegals" also says a lot about you people.
I have a question for you asshole birthers. John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. He was born in Panama. Why did you vote John McCain? Why the double-standard? We both know the anwer to that.
Most people can't provide their long-form birth certificate, so I guess that means most Americans are not legal citizens. And, Arizona can't do shit. The bad karma is coming your way, you piece of trash.
Sarah Palin won't release Trig's birth certificate because it says he was born a black, Muslim baby.
ReplyDeleteSo, THE most batshit crazy cousin humpin' racist morons - with more toes than teeth - in the whole country register the highest approval numbers for Sarah Palin.
ReplyDeleteI tell you, I am simply SHOCKED!
Just for comparison, I wonder what the numbers are for Palin among people with doctorates?
I'm guessing we'd need a whole bunch of zeros to the right of the decimal.
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ReplyDeleteI think this is true. One reason I think so is on the old Palin Deceptions website, a male commenter named "Craig" was an ardent defender of Palin's. He wasn't functionally illiterate as so many of her defenders are. His comments were allowed through moderation with great frequency, so there was a lot of his writing style to study. His interest seemed fevered, related to a defending Palin's reputation in late 2008 and 2009. He used British/Canadian /Australian/New Zealand, etc., spelling. His defense of her seemed business-related.
It was like a Canadian oil marketing guy trying to defend her with "logic." Then, he stopped. I guess whatever his biz interest was went into effect.
When people accuse Obama of wanting to help non-citizens more than citizens, how come folks don't remember that the problems with illegal immegration existed long before Obama got elected. In fact, there are less people crossing the borders since our economy is in the tank. Obama has been more aggressive in pursuing, prosecuting, and sending them back to where they came from than the last administration. I don't know how they can forget that there was an immigration bill, supported by Bush, voted down by republicans during the last administration. They were holding out for a law that will arrest them all and ship them back. This will NEVER happen because American businesses rely on cheap labor. There are jobs Americans simply will not do. Go ahead and blame it on Obama, but we will pass a law that provides a path to citizenship to a majority of the people who are in this country illegally. We need them as much as they need to be here.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 6:23am--
ReplyDeleteI totally love you.
5:18 comment
ReplyDeleteBekky, you are an asshat.
the birthers and those who call obama a socialist or a communist have shown repeatedly that they really have no idea how the country works.
ReplyDeleteif obama was not a us citizen, or a socialist, or a communist, he never would have even won the primary. the people who really run this country (ie those with billions in cash and assets) already investigated obama, and if anything was amiss he would have never made it this far - guaranteed. those people are not going to trust their life fortunes (spanning generations) and power to someone who threatens their wealth by being a socialist, communist, or imposter.
obama was approved, just as mccain was approved, and that's who we got to choose from.
these people need to wake the fuck up to how things really work here. ahh but they won't.
Anon at 4:54 am: have you seen your own "long form" birth certificate? No? You say you don't have one??
ReplyDeletePsst...there's no such thing as a "long form" birth certificate.
The arrogance of the ignorant. It never occurs to them that if Barack Obama really wasn't born here, a much smarter opponent of his than THEY are would have long ago proved it. The man has been in politics for years, well before he even became a Senator.
ReplyDeleteBut that is the smug stupidity of the Tea Party crazies for you.
About a week ago, one of my friends (and she still is my friend in spite of my initial reaction) sent me a forwarded e-mail entitled "Here it is folks! The document we have been waiting for!" and "Here is the magic document almost everyone was hoping to get." It then attaches a Certified Copy of Registration of Birth which in retrospect makes me laugh. (Shouldn't we have the original?) It also claims that Snopes says it's true, which of course is not true, that Obama has spent almost two million dollar (so far) to hide the truth. It goes on and on with other stuff...lots of capitalization and exclamation points.
ReplyDeleteNeedless to say I was furious at my friend for sending me this garbage. I calmed down eventually and apologized for going off on her, but I am still enraged at this thing going around.
In retrospect, I was also kind of pissed off when I remembered that she is Dutch, has lived and enjoyed the benefits of the United States (and Alaska) for more than the thirty years I have known her, but hasn't bothered to become a citizen, has no interest in doing so, therefore doesn't involve herself in such things as voting or taking a constructive part in our politics in any way.
Nevertheless, she is someone I like (but I guarantee she will never send me another anti-Obama e-mail), so I let it go, and we are still friends.
(She was quite surprised at my attitude.)
@ 3:55 - London Bridges
ReplyDeletePlease, folks, I beg of you. Stop trying to pawn this despicable person off as being delivered on Canadian soil. My gag reflex goes into action whenever I hear this mentioned. To even consider the possibility of her first breath being taken in Canada makes me ill.
Guess I didn't mention the obvious. It was a "Kenyan" birth certificate.
ReplyDeleteIdiocracy. The movie Idiocracy. That future for our country gets closer and closer to reality.
ReplyDeleteScares me that some people believe this 'birther' nonsense about our President.
A quote from the movie:
Narrator: As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.
@Anonymous 8:04 AM
ReplyDelete@ 3:55 - London Bridges
Please, folks, I beg of you. Stop trying to pawn this despicable person off as being delivered on Canadian soil. My gag reflex goes into action whenever I hear this mentioned. To even consider the possibility of her first breath being taken in Canada makes me ill.
Okay. We'll take her. But you guys still have to deal with Justin Beiber. He recently said in an interview with Rolling Stone that he never wants to have American citizenship. Says America evil. :-P
(well, he does have a point...he was talking about the American health care system vs the Canadian system...)
For those of you who don't already know, the "Kenyan" BC is a forgery on the face of it. The next time one of the "birthers" show that BC, hang on to it while they look up the date of Kenyan independence from Great Britain. (Hint: Barack was 2 1/2 at the time). When Mr. Obama was born, The Republic of Kenya didn't exist; Kenya was a British Colony. Mr. Obama would have been a British citizen with a British BC.
ReplyDeleteIrony is right!!
ReplyDeleteSP never produced her own birth certificate, never mind little Trigger's.
In September 2008, SP's own grandparents stated she was born in Canada.
A lot of people tend to use Wikipedia to prove she was born in Idaho. However, Wiki is not an acceptable form of journalism. It can be edited by anyone and it often is. SP's info has been altered many, many times as well as her children's info re: birth dates etc. Bristol's birth year was changed from 1991 to 1990 to make her appear older. All of the kid's birthdays have been altered except Track's.
IMO - SP probably was born in Canada. It's not like she was vetted by anyone before she was put in the national spotlight.
There are far too many stupid people in this country. Basic DNA and Brain functioning is incomplete; hence, morons, idiots, illiterate, non-thinking, completely incomplete education and nary a one functioning brain cell. Give them an island, or Texas, that is run by other morans. Palin can be their Head Moron president. Let them rant and rave all they want, but they cannot cross the defined border which would be under 24/7 surveillance and threat of bodily harm. Soon they will self-extinguish...because they are so very, unbelievably and incredibly just plain stoooopid.
ReplyDeleteLynne, tell your friend that Kenya wan't even Kenya when the POTUS was born. So, it could NOT have been a Kenyan BC.
ReplyDeleteBirthers represent votes the Dems are never going to get anyway, so if they think that this is a useful way to spend their energy instead of on issues that are real, they are only hurting themselves.... an example of the blind leading the blind.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 5:18.
ReplyDeleteItalian playwright Ugo Betti said, "When you want to believe in something, you also have to believe in everything that’s necessary for believing in it.”
You said, "There are justifiable reasons some people still question Obama's birth."
The hell there are.
In order for you to believe that conspiratorial batshit crazy nonsense, you'd have to believe that Obama's parents were capable of orchestrating the greatest Machiavellian plot in the history of mankind - a black African Muslim and a soon to be single mom - possibly the LEAST powerful people in America in 1961. They would have had to have engineered a nearly 50 year plot which ended in their son - a biracial kid with a funny name - becoming POTUS. They would have had to fake two birth announcements in the local Hawaiian papers and bought the silence of ALL medical staff who could have contradicted their story. And that would just be the BEGINNING of this conspiracy theory that lasted nearly FIVE DECADES, the majority of which was orchestrated by a single mom with a biracial bastard son. Tell me when this tale begins to sound even remotely possible.
How fucking stupid - or racist - do you have to be to endorse such a ridiculously harebrained notion as the one I've described?
So, which is it? Are you a racist or a moron? It is entirely possible that you could rightfully claim both distinctions.
Does anyone think that the McCain campaign didn't try to find out, through Bush and the entire US spy aparatus, if he was born in Kenya? They knew after the speech in 04 that we was a rising star. If there was any truth to this, the Bush/Cheney cabal would have found evidence.
ReplyDeletegood grief
Well, if that US President thingy doesn't work out for Sarah, she could become Grand Wizard to her ignorant masses. She'd be loved by 'em, that's fer sure. Only problem might be is that she'd have to give up her signature red dress for a hooded white one.
ReplyDeleteI don't exactly agree with this writer but find his views interesting and insightful.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.countercurrents.org/vickrey150211.htm
Anyone have a link to Sarah's grandparents saying she was born in Canada?
ReplyDeleteI bet they're also climate change deniers, creationists and think the world is flat.
ReplyDeleteAll them good Amerikuns backing the woman whose husband is a sessionist.
ReplyDeleteBoil some water, Ethel, we got usuns another one!
Does Sarah P have a SUGAR DADDY?
ReplyDeleteIS SHE BOINKIN SOMEONE ELSE?
Everyone knows she is too cheap to rent that big mansion in AZ, not if she can get someone else to spend the $$$. I said a couple months ago that if SP could find some wealthy old geezer she would dump Tod in a flash. Could be she knew about Ms Tripp all along but just saved the info for the right time to spring it and still come off as the victim. Pretty hard tho to play victim in the midst of all that luxury, pool and all.
Wonder if old Sarah looked Tod in the eye and screamed YOU'RE FIRED!" Like the Donald would do? HEHEHEHE
And, oh yeah.
ReplyDeleteWhere are winky's medical records she was supposed to produce after Saigon Songbird McGrumpy unleashed her on the world during "her" campaign?
OK folks let me clear up this "natural born citizen" issue. I am a lawyer, having practiced in Anchorage and Washington DC. A while back I extensively researched the "natural born citizen" issue on behalf of a client, and am probably as much an expert on it as anyone.
ReplyDeleteA "natural born citizen" is any person with some exceptions) born on US soil or outlying possessions of the US, a child of an ambassador of the US born abroad, or a person born on a US-flagged vessel at sea. That's it. The Supreme Court decided this conclusively in the Wong Kim Ark case in 1898, when considering whether a child born in the US to Chinese immigrants was a natural born citizen (yes). The Arizona whackos who say that US-born children of immigrants are not US citizens are simply wrong.
A person born to a US parent(s) abroad is a "naturalized" citizen. "Naturalization" results from statute enacted by Congress, and Congress sets the terms. The very first Congress enacted a naturalization statute, which has been amended over the years. Today it provides that a child born abroad is a naturalized US citizen if BOTH of his/her parents are US citizens AND one of the parents had a residence in the US.
Naturalized citizens have the same rights and privileges as natural born citizens EXCEPT eligibility to serve as president.
Johh McCain was born in Panama to US parents at a US military installation leased from Panama (the Panama Canal Zone). The courts have never addressed whether a child born on a US military base, or on foreign soil leased to the US is "natural born" vs "naturalized". It would depend upon whether the base was considered a "territory" or "outlying possession" of the US. It is an open question whether McCain would have been eligible to sit as president.
Got all that?
Anon at 243am said, "Isn't that a Rove tactic? Transfer your weaknesses onto your opponent. Say, just for instance, Palin will not produce Trig's birth certificate, so she makes a big deal about President Obama's even though he has proven his authenticity."
ReplyDeleteThat's called narcissistic reflection. From wikibooks, Living With a Narcissist:
"He (or she) will often project, criticizing you for the very things that he himself is guilty of....Listen carefully to what he accuses you of because it might well tell you what he is doing, thinking or planning."
Thanks, Kimosabe. It seems McCain was really the citizen in question.
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