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Cain was defiant and completely unapologetic, in his defense. Claiming that he did not know Bialek and that the accusations are the result of the "Democrat machine."At one point Cain spoke of himself in the third person and even offered to take a polygraph test, asdding to the circus like atmosphere of the press conference.
Not to give away the ending, but what happens next in the Herman Cain story is that there will now be proof provided that he DOES indeed know Bialek, and more women will come forward publicly to present a united front, and Cain will eventually have to drop out of the race in disgrace. I do not see this playing out any other way.
Essentially Cain could not have dug his political grave any faster if he had a shovel in both hands.
Interesting interview...
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Actually, he spoke of himself in the third person throughout his statement. I never trust someone who does that so often.
ReplyDeleteSome wag needs to start following Herbie around with a polygraph machine.
ReplyDeleteFor someone who lies as frequently as Cain does, he's really not very good at it.
I will enjoy watching this arrogant misogynist prick auger in.
I think what he got his hands on is faster than a shovel for digging a political grave.
ReplyDeleteI have a funny feeling there will be pictures released soon to show he does indeed know her. A reporter has already stated he saw them last month. It was reported on my local news that the women are working on a joint press conference. this is going to get very interesting.
ReplyDeleteOne of the first Cain accusers has been revealed:
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She is still not talking, but her family has released some information about her. Seems like a nice lady and VERY credible.
Watch his eye contact with the audience/camera. He can't look us in the eye when his sentences reach key words like 'inapropriate' or 'disrespectful'.
ReplyDeleteSure sign of lying. when the sentence is "I'm telling you the truth!" and he looks away just as he says the word 'truth' - that's pretty serious body language...
I've always said that his big, flapping, ignorant mouth would be his undoing. Now, in response to his lies, more women will be coming forward to speak out. I also don't see any end to this except for him to drop out of the campaign in disgrace. He is a black, male version of Sarah Palin, with the same penchant for self-sabotage. The GOP looks extremely foolish trying to defend this buffoon.
ReplyDeleteAssuming for the sake of the moment that he is not lying.
ReplyDeleteHe has handled this challenge terribly, no leadership quality, no calm in the face of a storm. He is disqualified on that basis alone.
Of course there are now at least two men who said they say him harassing women.
The thing is, the racist GOP had no intention of letting Cain run against Obama...it ruins their fear the blacks message. Just like they would never let Palin or Bachmann run either, because they hate women. So it would not surprise me in the least if this information came from the GOP itself. Once Cain started leading in polls, they finally began to research his shady past, and came up with the settlements. Now, were he already in office, they would sort of defend him, but since he is not, and will never be, they can throw him under the bus and blame the Democrats. Meanwhile, all the independents that the GOP was sure were in lockstep with them, are feeling very kindly toward OWS, looking again at the President, and coming back to the left. Bye Bye GOP...and none too soon.
ReplyDeleteIts' a plot AND YOU ARE A H8Tr!
ReplyDeleteOr maybe this herb guy is actually a guy with some issues.
Time will tell.
Gryphen -
ReplyDeleteI think in May, Mother Jones did something of an expose on Cain's financial history. I have been unable to find the info, though. Since he has started to attempt to paint Ms. Bialek (sp) as irresponsible concernign finances - it would be a good time to revisit a bit of his history.
I kept thinking of Sarah Palin.
ReplyDeleteGrandiose, if proven to be lying obviously he does it without blinking, all the self-victimization, not to mention his audacious attempts to shut down all questions from the press this past week. You can tell he had been told he'd better darn well answer some or they were going to truly go after him.
Did you hear the quote about this latest woman having been saved from the "monster" when someone offered her another job? Pretty strong words...
I am so sick of these stupid stupid people.
ReplyDeleteThis man is a terrible liar on top of everything else.
Gosh, Herman must have studied at the knee of Sarah. They are so much alike.
ReplyDeleteI bet Newt is going to buddy up in hopes that Cain's followers switch to him.
ReplyDeleteCain is guilty. There will probably be many more women coming out to tell their story. He changes his stories every time he speaks. What an idiot. Herman Cain and Sarah Palin prove how desperate the GOP is.
ReplyDeleteHe should just take his own advice and "blame himself" rather than blaming the victims whilst lying at every turn. The party of self realization and self responsibility is always quick to take no responsibility whatsoever for any of their actions which cause them problems. It is never their fault when things go bad, but when things go well, nobody else gets any credit.
ReplyDeleteAnd Mitt Romney is now "one of us" in the middle class, a man of the people, who has "worked" in the private sector his whole life (except when he was Governor), dismantling companies and selling them off for a profit. They are all liars and phokes (phonies and fakes).
I get the feeling he's lying more to his wife than to us. He's got to know he never stood a chance to win the WH. Now, he's just trying to save his marriage.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Herb Cain's campaign is going up in smoke.
ReplyDeleteHe qualified taking a polygraph test with "if there is a good reason to take one."
ReplyDeleteArrogant liar with a huge ego and huge sense of entitlement. He's absolutely disgusting.
ReplyDeleteIf Rachel is right, and the Cain campaign is performance art, then Cain's actions make perfect sense. It doesn't matter to him whether he's really guilty or not. It's about how far can he push the envelope before the public (or a critical mass thereof) catches on so that his campaign is no longer treated seriously.
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You don't have to be white to be an entitled rich Republican male. With issues. Joking about hiring Gloria Allred- lame innuendo here. The joke is on Herb and all the fools who donated to him.
ReplyDeleteJ: Have you considered hiring Gloria Allred as your attorney?
H: Uh … you almost made me say something that my handlers say that you should not say … let me put it to you this way: I can’t think of anything I would hire her to do! (laughter) I can’t think of a thing.
His wife must be so proud.
foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/08/full-transcript-herman-cain-appears-on-jimm-kimmel-live-discusses-sexual-harassment-allegations-theres-not-an-ounce-of-truth-in-this/
I can't help but wonder if Palin and Cain have had the chance to "get to know" eachother...?
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ReplyDeleteSteven Taylor:
[Denying any memory of Bialek] strikes me as a dangerous way to play this, as if any evidence can be conjured that Cain did know Bialek, then that will undercut his overall denial. And in this era of cameras everywhere, this strikes me as a dangerous bet for Cain to take unless he is 100% certain of the claim.
Ace of Spades:
I want him to confirm or deny that hotel upgrade.
Jim Geraghty:
Herman Cain has completed his press conference… which could have used questions like, “Did you rent or upgrade a hotel suite during the time period in question? If you did, why did you rent a luxury suite in a hotel in a city where you lived at the time?”
Ta-Nehisi Coates:
I think I speak for the "Democrat machine" when I say they'd love nothing better than to run against Herman Cain.
Michael Crowley:
It’s possible that Cain is being unfairly targeted, but as the volume of the charges mount and the accusers step forward–and Cain flails so unconvincingly–that seems less and less plausible. Virtually every member of the Washington press corps thinks so. And with his talk of journalistic codes of conduct, and now this afternoon’s weak attempt at taking “hard questions,” Cain has only waved a red flag of hostility at the people he needs to help clear his name: journalists.
Dan Amira:
Cain is being accused of things he says never happened. If he passed a lie detector test — as unreliable as those can be — it would go a long way toward clearing his name in the court of public opinion. If that's not a good enough reason, we don't know what would qualify.
Allahpundit:
[T]he highlight of ... [the Cain press conference] was probably him saying he’d be willing to take a lie-detector test — but only if someone gives him a good reason to do it. I’m thinking the spectacle of multiple accusers in front of the cameras, using their own names, at a joint press conference would be withering enough to give him that reason.
Ana Marie Cox:
Cain is not handling this scandal like a typical politician would; he's handling it like a reality television star. But not the kind most people root for.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/cain-presser-reax.html
The Courage Of Karen Kraashauer
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/the-courage-of-karen-kraashauer.html
WOW...I can't wait to see what Kenan Thompson does with this press conference on SNL this weekend!! Comedy gold Hermain "Pimp Daddy" Cain! HeHe.
ReplyDeletepeople...listen..you must remember what we said about cain before..that he INTENTIONALLY is acting ridiculous and goes out of his way to be totally unbelievable because the tea bags are so stupid that the more he acts this way the more they liked him.
ReplyDeletehe never had any intention of running a real campaign and all he is telling us is how dumb a large section of the population is and how irrelevant and enabling the corporate media is that they refuse to expose these loons and give them all a voice as long as they are FAR RIGHT.
cain also demonstrates the depth of hate and the depth of racism that is the republican party.
yes he is black..DUH!.. but figure it out for yourselves why it is true.
then you will understand how fucked up this country has become.
Is this what you were referring to:
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I think in May, Mother Jones did something of an expose on Cain's financial history. I have been unable to find the info, though. Since he has started to attempt to paint Ms. Bialek (sp) as irresponsible concernign finances - it would be a good time to revisit a bit of his history.
3:08 PM
Herman Cain's Enron-esque Disaster
The story the GOP presidential candidate won't tell you about his years in corporate America.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012
Herman Cain's secret corporate past: a mini-Enron that screwed employees out of their retirement savings: http://bit.ly/kBVRpS
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"... Cain spoke of himself in the third person and even offered to take a polygraph test..."
ReplyDeleteCain, Alaska Governor Sean Parnell, Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson of Wasilla, Track, Bristol, Willow, Tawd and Sarah Palin all need to take lie detector tests!
Why stop there? Give Creepy Chuckie and Sally Heath one too!
So Cain also has memory loss. Just another reason not to vote for the idiot.
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ReplyDeletelook no further than the 4 cases that were filed in federal court in 2004. It became a class action lawsuit against Aquila. Cain was on the board.
Cain and other board members were encouraging employees to invest in the company knowing they were losing as much as $200M annually. Employees were offered a 15% discount on company stock and then when they were in trouble, they issued a lockdown on stock sales. Employees were left with nothing while CEO's got $30M in bonuses.
Thanks to Aquila's Enron-esque financial undertakings, thousands of employees saw their retirement funds wiped out while hundreds of millions of dollars went into the pockets of Cain and friends.
I may have been dreaming, but I'm sure I heard a very brief interview with a long-time lobbyist who claimed that "Herbie's" indiscretions were whispered about on the Hill for years, and thems in the know (my words, not his) were completely aware of at least one of the women possibly coming forward back in August. Of course, these statements got absolutely NO play in the MSM. If this is all true, I can't even imagine how the Big Money will attempt to spin this away, thought they'll try like fiery hell to fight it. They need the Godfather's Rodeo Clown to distract from the other GOPers issues, like Romney's past Ponzi scheme.
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ReplyDeleteCain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila's ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company's retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board's compensation committee, which, according to the lawsuit, had direct oversight of the push to get employees to invest more and more in Aquila stock. As chair of the compensation committee, Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company's stock plummeting. A month after the Kansas City Star reported on the hefty bonuses in July 2002, the company laid off 500 employees, and the losses to employees holding company stock had reached hundreds of millions of dollars.
As a board member, Cain would've had direct knowledge of Aquila's activities, says Fred Taylor Isquith, a New York attorney who litigated the employee class action. Asked if it was fair to place blame on Cain for the debacle at Aquila, Isquith replied, "Yes, I believe it is."
Herman Cain's denial reminds me of my brother's, when confronted with being a molester:
ReplyDelete"I did not! and anyway it's All Your Fault!"
On Cain's political fall:
ReplyDeleteGives new meaning to the term, Goin' Down.
When the presser began, I was trying to figure out why his lawyer, Innis, spoke before Cain, until I heard Cain parroting the same things Innis had said. Since I've lived in GA my entire life, I guess I should have known that there would be no new revelations coming from the faux conservative lawyer and faux conservative politician from GA.
ReplyDeleteThis is very off topic...but just wanted to wish all of our fellow IMers up in Alaska good luck with that awful storm that is hitting you all about now. I read the words "Epic storm". Batten down the hatches and stay safe!
ReplyDeleteI think Cain was toast from the word go. He had some pretty serious cancer not too long ago, IIRC. That should raise some serious alarm bells, especially since the VP is not nominated independently.
ReplyDeleteWitness: Sharon Bialek hugged Herman Cain during Tea Party meeting a month ago
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One of the things keeping me from being able to feel any sort of empathy for the believers of the rightwing "faith," is that I have yet to hear one of them come out against ANYONE who has claimed to be a Republican.
ReplyDeleteBy that I mean, that if several women come forward and have proof of actual RAPE by this clown, you will still see nothing more than a sagging of poll numbers--nothing like what SHOULD be said.
The "Family Values" types should be screaming at the top of their lungs about this.
But, NOPE, each and every Fox News-watching "conservative" I know or hear about, just LOVES THEM some Donald Trump (despite it now being obvious he punked them about running, and just took their money and the extra fame it brought him).
They still won't say a bad word about Sarah Palin, no matter how much dirt about what a horrible person she is, comes to light.
Rick Perry could be outed as a closet homosexual, yet even the most homophobic Republican will continue to wave the Texas flag and cry that we "need" his leadership.
Even the ones none of them will tell pollsters they'd vote for, ever get any guff from them...Santorum, Gingrich, etc., may not get their vote, but they also won't get any criticism, no matter HOW batshit crazy any of their ideas are.
So, any rightwingers who may wander in here, wonder why no one takes you seriously, other than those just like you? Its because you obviously are NOT thinking for yourself, in the least, but simply swallowing whole the daily bullshit sprayed on you by the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and the others--and coming to a blog like this to do nothing more than repeat such inane malarkey, as if you came up with it on your own.
Be ashamed of yourself.
In a previous life I was employed in big law firms in HR. Handled this stuff inhouse and in regard to big clients all the time. Yes, sometimes there are false accusations, for various reasons. But I can tell you this, for most innocent and guilty "perps" it takes only ONE accusation (whether followed by settlement or not) to radically change someone's behavior. Both the innocent and the guilty are dis-masted and for ever forward creep about on little cat feet.
ReplyDeleteIt is almost unheard of for "suspecteds" or "actuals" to continue on in their own "misunderstood" or "egregious" ways and garner even more charges of sexual harassment.
For most human beings, it is a humiliating experience, one they will do almost nothing to repeat. One that the firm or business also will go to great lengths to not have them repeat.
Apparently not so for Our Mr. Cain.
I usually try to keep an open mind about these things, having seen it from both sides of the fence.
But in Cain's case, I find no margin for doubt.
MicMac
Bialek today released pictures that were taken with Cain about a year ago of her and her boyfriend with Cain.
ReplyDeleteThe woman who's identify was revealed by a publication (I think NYT, but not positive), she spoke to media about an hour before Cain's presser. She has also spoken to Gloria Borger of CNN and advised her that she has copies of all her documents she filed at NRA. As the NRA has released her from the conditions of the settlement, anticipate those documents being released. There is not the need to wait for the NRA to drag their feet 'digging' them up!!
Looks like Illinois has it's own Joey Miller:
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Figures -- On CNN, Mary Matilin sucked up and defended Cain's presser saying he was strong, did a good job.
ReplyDeleteMatilin sounds like she would voluntarily have 'done the deed' that Cain was 'forcing' upon Bialek.
The only thing missing in Cain's presser -- was his Pimp Hat.
ReplyDeleteAnyone ever listen to the Doug Urbanski show?? OMG you think Rush is bad..this guy is a big Cain supporter and he was absolutely tearing down Bialek saying she was coming on to Cain and he's the one who stopped it, making her sound like a slut. He says the Dems and the media are afraid of Cain just like they were afraid of Palin and went after her and her family until she quit. This guy Urbanski is absolutely disgusting!!!!as bad or worse than Rush.
ReplyDeleteKind of off the topic, but Herman Cain reminds me of Joe Miller in many ways. Each day the resemblance is more obvious. Fellow masters of the press and so on.
ReplyDeleteI must ask- has anyone gotten a post card from Germany? How's that visit going? Who's paying for it? Must cost a lot to take the wife and kids. I don't remember any fundraising to pay for this vacation (but I remember something about collecting money so that Joe and his wife could go on the wingnut cruise).
Has he figured out a way to get someone else to pay for this trip? Paid for by his PAC as a video shoot "Joe Miller Explores the Great Wall of Berlin, Explains How We Need It Here"?
Maybe he's writing a book; "Our Leader: Great Moments in Totalitarian Governments. The Borders Are Secured and All The Reporters Have Been Arrested".
Maybe it's a meetup with Captain Zero to market seafood and wingnut ideas overseas? Are the party planner or the singer also along?
Enquiring minds wonder.
Back to the regularly scheduled Republican dysfunction.
Cain is simply using standard Republican tactics when it comes to a scandal. Blame the media, then blame the Democrats, but never, ever, take responsibility for anything.
ReplyDeleteAll of these people are just racist including you Gryphen.
ReplyDeleteYep.
ReplyDeleteWon't be long before he'll be shown to be the big fat liar he is.
8:07 Huh?
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I have a feeling, by the time this is done, we'll have enough women to start a baseball team. In three days it went from one to three and now a fourth.
I'm so glad Sharon had the courage to come forward. The non-disclosure clause was negated by his multiple failed attempts at covering it up, not remembering, blaming the media, the democrat machine, etc etc etc...
Keep Digging, Herman! Can't wait for the next debate. The claws will surely be out.
What's disgusting me the most is his arrogance. The man paid money to the victims, who lost their livelihoods because of his behavior.
He stands in front of flags while bald face lieing, what a patriot!
His body language and lack of anger is extremely telling, if these allegations were truly false, wouldn't he be seetheing with anger?
OT Ohio and Mississippi have voted down the union busting and personhood issues!!!!!
This is a big fucking deal!
Cain is the Republican foil who's only function is to stereotype the negro race. The overspill will taint any candidate of color in future elections. Smart play toward unseating Obama.
ReplyDeleteWhat's really disgusting is that I know several Republicans who have been supporting Herman Cain for one reason alone: they wanted to put up a black conservative against Obama and really make the 2012 election all about race. Couldn't care less about his minimal qualifications and bumbling nature - just wanted to turn the whole process into a race war.
ReplyDeleteWhy do Republicans hate America?
You know what, I like most people, am indifferent to many, and dislike a few. It is not in my nature to hate. But as time goes by, I am finding that I really do hate this arrogant son of a bitch, this sexist pig, who thinks he is above all law and common decency. Who the fuck does he think he is? I am an old lady now, in my early 60s, but as I was coming up in the workforce starting in about 1970, I had to deal with this sort of crap over and over. And I KNOW, like most working women know, that speaking out or making a fuss was never going to end in your favor. And now, to have to be dragged through the mud once again because you finally came forward is just one more instance of the inherent sexism of the Republican party and the good ol' boys for which it stands. They all make me sick.
ReplyDeleteI find that I get a little bit rabid about what's going on now, but I won't apologize for that. I was working in television during the Clarence Thomas hearings, and as we in engineering watched the "lynching" of Anita Hill, I had a lot of arguments with the men, who didn't have a clue how it really was for women. High-tech lynching indeed. It was Anita and women in general who were being lynched, and it is going on right this very minute with "Herb" Cain's offensive blathering. I hope he rots in hell, along with the rest of his ilk who are attacking his victims and setting equal rights back about... oh, maybe 800 years?
All of those who are assuming the accusations against Cain are groundless are thus going with the story that under his tenure the Restaurant Association was so badly run that it paid out substantial settlements to multiple women over groundless claims. I have trouble understanding how that interpretation looks all that much better for him, when you're looking for a capable CEO type.
ReplyDeleteIt was high time I targeted Herman Cain in one of my spoofs... I've cast him as "Gropey" and the pic shows him getting friendly with "Snow Whiter-Than-White" (Michele Bachmann): http://twitpic.com/7ccew7
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAssuming for the sake of the moment that he is not lying.
He has handled this challenge terribly, no leadership quality, no calm in the face of a storm. He is disqualified on that basis alone.
Of course there are now at least two men who said they say him harassing women.
.................Are men more believable than women? It just amazes me that people attack the victims (when settlements have been paid out twice to two women - something I doubt any business would have done without concern about a lawsuit -- who would have hurt more financially with a drawn out lawsuit? Why do corporations always like to draw out lawsuits - to dry up the well of their opposition)
Your comment made me feel sad - as if when a man or two speaks up, suddenly the women are more credible. If there is truth to your statement, that is a sad indictment on our society.
If Herman Cain believes filing bankruptcy is a character flaw - then what does he think about Trump?
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ReplyDeleteWitness: Sharon Bialek hugged Herman Cain during Tea Party meeting a month ago
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/8592168-452/witness-sharon-bialek-hugged-herman-cain-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html
5:46 PM
.............Well Hermie has called that witness a liar, because he says he has never met Bialek before -
Anonymous @ 5:46 brings up the pics of Cain w/Bialek and her boyfriend at a Tea Party gathering about a month ago. However, Limbaugh and Hannity have been using it to deny Bialek's statement saying she wouldn't have been so friendly towards him and Cain so friendly towards her if there had been any sexual harassment by Cain.
ReplyDeleteNow how will they try to spin their speaking of Cain & Bialek obviously knowing each other fairly well after he said today that he never set eyes on her before. Is he at the beginning stages of dementia, with his remembering followed by lack of remembering on a repeated basis? Or is he just a damn LIAR?
deebee said...
ReplyDeleteCain is the Republican foil who's only function is to stereotype the negro race. The overspill will taint any candidate of color in future elections. Smart play toward unseating Obama.
9:39 PM
"negro race".....REALLY??? Your white sheet is showing.
Anon@9:39
ReplyDeleteSorry, I am white but without the sheet. Not used to discussing populations with divisions such as race, and perhaps used the wrong terminology. I believe we are all one and equal. So give me the correct term if you will and refute the point of my statement.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWitness: Sharon Bialek hugged Herman Cain during Tea Party meeting a month ago
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/8592168-452/witness-sharon-bialek-hugged-herman-cain-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html
5:46 PM
.............Well Hermie has called that witness a liar, because he says he has never met Bialek before -
3:45 AM
I think she may have done all this, including the Anonymous said...
Witness: Sharon Bialek hugged Herman Cain during Tea Party meeting a month ago
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/8592168-452/witness-sharon-bialek-hugged-herman-cain-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html
5:46 PM
.............Well Hermie has called that witness a liar, because he says he has never met Bialek before -
3:45
She may have done all this, including attending the TeaParty convention, in order to counteract the denials she knew would come. She has visual and witness proof that he did in fact lay eyes on her before AND knew who she was.
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ReplyDeleteSTFU....SARAH! At first I thought you were playing stupid...but then I re-read the comment and realized that...you weren't playing!