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Monday, January 02, 2012
I am by NO means a Ron Paul supporter, but I think his political ad, "Imagine," should be seen far and wide.
If only this guy were not a rabid anti-women's rights, racist, homophobic Republican.
Honestly I have no desire to see any ad Ron Paul puts out for any reason. He is not just a republican he is a Libertarian which =Koch Brothers and NO message he has would interest me. Why listen to a lie to start with?
My son turned 18 last July, he was a Paul supporter as well as most of his friends, thank God he saw the light and will vote for President Obama. O/T Grifticia Alopecia was on Bolling today and she must have said something that has c4p despondent and turning on each other like the rabid dogs they are.
This is a must read for Obama supporters on the topic of Ron Paul: http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/
A section copied here that relates this post:
"the minute “Ron Paul” is mentioned. As soon as his candidacy is discussed, progressives will reflexively point to a slew of positions he holds that are anathema to liberalism and odious in their own right and then say: how can you support someone who holds this awful, destructive position? The premise here — the game that’s being played — is that if you can identify some heinous views that a certain candidate holds, then it means they are beyond the pale, that no Decent Person should even consider praising any part of their candidacy.
The fallacy in this reasoning is glaring. The candidate supported by progressives — President Obama — himself holds heinous views on a slew of critical issues and himself has done heinous things with the power he has been vested."
And then Greenwald goes on to list facts about Obama's actions, policies, and appointments.
Adama Brown revealed more of Ron Paul through more of his newsletters - and points out that the things Paul says is actually the way the right wing thinks. Paul's only sin in their minds is to have put it on paper and lose "plausible deniability." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/31/1050321/-Meet-the-real-Ron-Paul-
While I've suspected Paul was quite possibly one of the Theoc-licans since 2007-08, it was more from what he wouldn't say than from things he actually said. He's been more explicit on the "fallacy" of separation of church and state than I realized. It seems "Mr Constitution" has his own version of a lot of it.
As Ron Paul and other TeabaKKkers attempt to stick it to the Feds w/ a frothy mixture of anger and stupidity, especially in places like Montana where they gained a super-majority in 2010 and are now, like Ron Paul, full off into Nullification and other nutty right-wing notions, the Montana Supreme Court - which is not a bunch of nutty TeabaKKKers - has decided to stand up to the SCOTUS and have ruled that Citizens United does NOT apply in Montana. The majority opinion of the Court is quite compelling. This will be a good case to watch.
BTW, if corporations are people, what's the legal process for terminating one? And if I incorporate a new business and shut it down after eight months, is that an illegal abortion?
May I say that "firebaggers" who listen to Adam Greenwald, Salon, Jane Hampster will of course defend Paul because their goal is the same as the republican party...to make Obama a one term President! Not all progressives are Democrats so don't pretend they are Kimberish!
Those who marginalize Paul for any alleged anti-gay or racist stances are only buying into fabrications by the controlled media that HATE his anti-Israel stance, which is political suicide in this land and perfectly explains why they either don't report on him or put out deliberate misrepresentations like those mentioned above. If you think the US should conduct all its foreign policy, domestic "security" and wars to accommodate Israel and its rabid supporters, many on the religious right, he's not your man.
Obama greatly stepped up the war in Afganistan and is now posturing for war with Iraq. Is this what you want? Remember "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN." Really?
Ron Paul would be the perfect candidate in a stable environment.
That said:
THIS IS DISGUSTING. - A recent article by an investigative reporter has shown that the Communist party of America (the same one that endorsed Obama in 2012) has been targeting down and out vets to feed their propaganda and hate to in order to recruit them in. Preying on these heroes the heinous Communists fill their heads with lies in order to brainwash them much like Lenin and Stalin did, confusing these down and out people. How despicable and low are these "people". Targeting America's heroes with their lies to covert then to a system that enslaved them. It is DESPICABLE!
There is no one with more skeletons than leading Dems, and no one with a stronger, more thuggish army of backers. Ugh
So, not to betray anyone ,but what Sarah Palin has said all along just makes sense. Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better.
Ron Paul (and his wacko son) have some valuable constructive criticisms, and I think they should be listened to, and possibly even help change some policies in this country.
But NO WAY IN HELL will either Ron or Rand ever, ever, EVER lead my country. Not on my watch.
I would love to provide the link except I..don't..know how..oh the shame, my cheeks burn a bright red at having to reveal my shameful secret: I don't know nothing 'bout 'puters ma'am..sorry Lynne, now excuse me while I sign out IM, tail between legs and take my son's offer to tutor his techno-phobe mom.
She added that she personally couldn’t consider a third party run because “I believe, personally, that a third party candidacy will allow some greater assurance that Barack Obama would be reelected and that’s the last thing on Earth I want to see happened,”
I'm with 1:14PM. I just find Ron Paul so repulsive on every level that I won't give any ad of his a page view.
I can only imagine what kind of candidate Ron Paul would nominate to the Supreme Court if he ever got elected president and there was an opening... he would scour the country looking for another Clarence Thomas.
I really want 2012 to be the year babygate breaks. Trig hasn't even lived with Sarah in ages, it's time she is no longer allowed to hide behind the "self sacrificing mother of special needs child" meme.
To that end, I am putting out any tidbit which might shed light on this issue. Personally, I believe Trig is the bio child of Bristol and Levi. BUT- I have heard multiple rumours about Lauden Bruce being more out of sight than normal during December 07 - January 08. Which also coincides with the time I think Trig was actually born. (sometime between dec 07 - feb 08)
http://www.westsoccer.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=34 December 2007. Lauden Bruce is the ONLY one not pictured. She apparently missed numerous games during this season as well.
I run into many Alaskans who favor Ron Paul. He's quite popular with the young voters, though young voters in AK are so adamantly anti-Obama I think theyd support anyone else.
Ron Paul holds too many positions that are anathema to me to vote for him. But I do appreciate his candor, and some of his POV resonates. What he is very good at, which benefits us all, is in his role as catalyst. This has historically been the role of the Libertarian Party, whether they like the moniker or not - their candidates are never electable, but they do play a very important outsider role in contributing to the health and progression of our electoral process, as agitators, stimulators,sharp sticks that make us think deeper as Americans. A lot of this, in my opinion, has to do with their candor, their unfettered political character, in stark contrast to the political pap we most often are served by the majority parties. I appreciate them, very very much, but within these confined parameters.
As if this silly old fart could possibly DO anything about any of what is brought up in the ad, even if he DID beat the billion to one odds against him, and win the presidency.
The Congress is going to decide any moves that will be made, and they are so bought and paid for by the military/industrial complex, that it'd take beating TRILLION to one odds, to see movement away from the imperialism that has become the American way.
Ron Paul can't seem to find a suit jacket that fits around his scrawny little neck--trusting him to perform political miracles is a freaking JOKE.
Don't want to hijack the thread, but in answer to some commenters above, they're banging their heads against the wall over at the SP Fan Club. Her Highness apparently denied a Presidential run (again), any real governmental involvement or the Pee-ers' treasured "third party run" when interviewed on Faux today. I haven't read it all, but I think she's advertising that she'll be useful yapping as the "pundint" poodle she is. There's a rumor that she's also going to cover IA tomorrow with Bret Baehr(sp?). Here's just SOME of the random delusion in the pool:
"I know this is a Long Shot, but imagine this. The Ads for the earthquake movement, the discontent of the field, The Prayers, The Prayers and then the shake up. Sarah out of no where shaking it up with out even being a contender gets a nice showing in Iowa, then the next one builds and again she shows better and so on, she gets drafted and takes the Presidency.. How would you feel about being part of the earthquake movement? So my friends we must Pray, Pray, Pray for divine intervention tomorrow.. For those of you not getting on board, I will pray for you as well... May God Bless America. We can't do this with out His help. DEO VOLENTE, SARAH 2012!!!"
"I pray every night that God will hear the cries of His people and raise up a Godly warrior who will lead us out of the mess we are in. I also hint to Him who I believe that is ;)"
And on it goes...they're also busy bashing Ron Paul and Bachmann, BTW. It's Queen Esther--no one else will do.
Yeah, a real powerful ad...how courageous of Ron Paul to release it years later after the Bush administration is gone. That's only when it MIGHT have done some actual good.
By the way, I thought Ron Paul was at least honest. Is he now trying to falsely infer that Barack Obama put the base there in the first place and didn't end the war that his predecessor started and didn't fucking finish?
Wow, Gryphen, for such an ardent supporter of Obama, you sure just got suckered by one of his opponent's ads!
"Obama greatly stepped up the war in Afganistan and is now posturing for war with Iraq. Is this what you want? Remember "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN." Really? 2:41
Hey is that you Sarah? You do know Iraq from Iran right? North Korea from South Korea? Up from Down? LMAO
Ron Paul is a RACIST! His mistake was letting folks see him in his white robe...now he's trying to act like it's not his robe even though said robe is in his closet at his house that he's lived in for 30 years. Nice try Paulbots'!
So, not to betray anyone ,but what Sarah Palin has said all along just makes sense. Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better.
3:01 PM
OUCH! You made my head hurt with "Sarah Palin" and the "makes sense" in the same sentence.
That word salad on steroids that she shitted out today on BowlingPin's show didn't make a lick of sense except to the paint chip, cousin humpers(H/T Gasman) brain washed fools at "Peeing4Palin" site. And of course...YOU.
Gov Dirty Wig™ has no idea what "cutting spending" is unless you are referring to her not paying for her children's college education...and as far as "corruption of old guys in DC" wasn't Uncle Ted Stevens her backer for Gov?
The whole Republican primary process is such an obviously orchestrated offense on Obama and positioning for Romney, I hope some of you can see this.
Ron Paul - dark horse to peel the youth and anti-war voters away from Obama, should the powers that be decide he should end up running third party in order to do so.
Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, etc. - all dark horses to peel votes away from each other and leave Mitt Corporate Robot Romney the only one standing.
Palin - the Faux News "pundit" who carefully praises all of the above except Romney (who she studiously ignores, including to criticize) just enough so that their supporters won't defect en masse to just one of them who would then pose a real threat to Mitt Corporate Robot Romney.
Remember, the fix is always in with the dark side.
Returning powers to the states that were specifically reserved for the Federal government will weaken our country to its breaking point; finishing off what our corrupt corporate politicians have started.
The United States will always need a strong central government. The "founding fathers" figured that out after a few years of trying to hold the fledgling United States together under the failed Articles of Confederation (and Perpetual Union)of 1777.
In my opinion thinking that decentralized government is a viable option in these times is flawed thinking.
"...Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better."
That is a whole lot of trite nothingness. A bunch of words that don't mean a damn thing. Sarah Palin figured out that idiots like you, anonymous, will fall for empty statements without an ounce of anything to back them up. No plan, no substance, no nothing. They are as empty as Sarah Palin's head.
You have to love how people say they appreciate Ron Paul's candor and honesty, yet he has given different stories about the racist statements made in that fundraiser newsletter under his name.
What's the truth Ron Paul? Were you so incompetent that you really didn't know what was in the newsletter? Or did you know and approve and then back peddle later? Or maybe you didn't care what was in the newsletter as long as it resulted in getting you supporters and money. Those white supremacists really love you, Ron Paul.
Allowing states to decide who controls our bodies will result in millions of women cut off from making decisions based on what's best for them and their families.
Women will continue to have reasons to terminate unwanted pregnancies and they will continue to look for ways to abort. Certain states will decriminalize abortion and take control of the pregnancies within their borders. Doctors will be severely ham-stringed in relationships with their patients and we will see more and more women and children on public assistance in those states.
Meanwhile, wealthy women will always be able to secure abortions, no matter where they live.
Ron Paul would vote against abortion rights in his state based on his emotions, just as he would vote against same sex marriage in his state because he finds it icky.
Atlas Shrugged belongs on the bookshelves of college students who leave it behind when they grow up and realize that a world full of men out for only themselves would be a bleak one indeed.
Yet, here is a nearly 80-year-old Rand fanboy. It's pathetic.
"HIS IS DISGUSTING. - A recent article by an investigative reporter has shown that the Communist party of America (the same one that endorsed Obama in 2012) has been targeting down and out vets to feed their propaganda and hate to in order to recruit them in. Preying on these heroes the heinous Communists fill their heads with lies in order to brainwash them much like Lenin and Stalin did, confusing these down and out people."
Er yeah, "a recent article by an investigative reporter" you say? Sounds pretty legit to me...
Oh wait, no it doesn't, it sounds like a pile of bullshit.
Maybe the problem is that we have "down and out vets" at all. Fix that and your Communism will clear right up!
"o, not to betray anyone ,but what Sarah Palin has said all along just makes sense. Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better."
Yeah, way to credit Palin for stating THE OBVIOUS. The problem is, what are her plans to achieve any of these things? Oh right, she only invents the bumpersticker slogans, she doesn't actually figure out how to accomplish them.
So, *I* say the way to fix the economy is to get create more jobs!
"Yeah, a real powerful ad...how courageous of Ron Paul to release it years later after the Bush administration is gone. That's only when it MIGHT have done some actual good."
I'm just blown away that someone is saying it AT ALL. I at least give Paul credit for that. But I agree with the other posters who have pointed out that Paul wouldn't have a snocone's chance in hell of making good on any of that extremist Libertarian stuff.
THIS IS DISGUSTING. - A recent article by an investigative reporter has shown that the Communist party of America (the same one that endorsed Obama in 2012) has been targeting down and out vets to feed their propaganda and hate to in order to recruit them in. Preying on these heroes the heinous Communists fill their heads with lies in order to brainwash them much like Lenin and Stalin did, confusing these down and out people. How despicable and low are these "people". Targeting America's heroes with their lies to covert then to a system that enslaved them. It is DESPICABLE! 2:43 PM
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would remark positively on any part of Ron Paul's agenda. Just consider that this senile old hateing coot plans to completely destroy any and all of the government social programs that keep the poor and middle class above water and you would have to be ashamed of your lack of diligence on political issues. Shame!
@1:14 Mem...... Really? Really? "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell How can you be so certain about your own ideas if you are not OPEN to hear other thoughts?? I voted for Obama and will probably vote for him again, but if Paul were to get the nomination (and I hope that he does) I would strongly CONSIDER him. Jus sayin
This is why I was once a Ron Paul advocate. This, And he wants a new independent 9/11 investigation. He has some good points and it is wrong to summarily dismiss him, imo. Points that really are constitutionally based. He has said that the constitution was decimated under Bush, and he is right about that. The ad is slightly annoying and would be more effective if it used actual footage of us in Iraq. I wish there was a candidate with Ron Paul's basic platform without the racist past.
Is RP really the Libertarian he purports himself to be? Do his policy votes really reflect fiscal conservatism and social liberalism/personal freedoms? If he is as biased & prejudiced as he appears to be, can he prevent those views from affecting his decisions? Or will he, like 43, allow his archaic religious beliefs to color policy?
GTFO of the Middle East, Barack, and do it soon. We have no business being there.
The thing about Ron Paul is that he's a real person who says real things.
There are very few of those.
5:51 PM"
What a crock of shit. He'll say anything to get elected. Witness his trying to weasel out of taking responsibility for HIS racist, homophobic newsletters.
And it's oh so real to say that victims of sexual harassment in the workplace aren't the government's problem and they can just leave the job if they don't like it.
Ron Paul is seriously a monster. It's sad to see how many people he's snowing. 5:51 sounds like she really likes snow, though.
"@1:14 Mem...... Really? Really? "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell How can you be so certain about your own ideas if you are not OPEN to hear other thoughts?? I voted for Obama and will probably vote for him again, but if Paul were to get the nomination (and I hope that he does) I would strongly CONSIDER him. Jus sayin
1:24 AM"
You are the one who isn't doing his or her homework if you would even consider voting for a hatemongering one percent ass-kissing fool like Ron Paul over Obama. And I say this as someone who isn't enthralled with Obama. But would you really prefer to have Ron Paul make the next Supreme Court nomination? He is already on record as being anti-gay, anti-minorities, anti-poor people, anti-women, and anti-truth. Or haven't you watched him pretend he didn't know anything about those newsletters that went out under his name?
If a origressuve rules out Paul because of some of his heinous policies, then one must look at Obama as well:
"The fallacy in this reasoning is glaring. The candidate supported by progressives — President Obama — himself holds heinous views on a slew of critical issues and himself has done heinous things with the power he has been vested. He has slaughtered civilians — Muslim children by the dozens — not once or twice, but continuously in numerous nations with drones, cluster bombs and other forms of attack. He has sought to overturn a global ban on cluster bombs. He has institutionalized the power of Presidents — in secret and with no checks — to target American citizens for assassination-by-CIA, far from any battlefield. He has waged an unprecedented war against whistleblowers, the protection of which was once a liberal shibboleth. He rendered permanently irrelevant the War Powers Resolution, a crown jewel in the list of post-Vietnam liberal accomplishments, and thus enshrined the power of Presidents to wage war even in the face of a Congressional vote against it. His obsession with secrecy is so extreme that it has become darkly laughable in its manifestations, and he even worked to amend the Freedom of Information Act (another crown jewel of liberal legislative successes) when compliance became inconvenient.
He has entrenched for a generation the once-reviled, once-radical Bush/Cheney Terrorism powers of indefinite detention, military commissions, and the state secret privilege as a weapon to immunize political leaders from the rule of law. He has shielded Bush era criminals from every last form of accountability. He has vigorously prosecuted the cruel and supremely racist War on Drugs, including those parts he vowed during the campaign to relinquish — a war which devastates minority communities and encages and converts into felons huge numbers of minority youth for no good reason. He has empowered thieving bankers through the Wall Street bailout, Fed secrecy, efforts to shield mortgage defrauders from prosecution, and the appointment of an endless roster of former Goldman, Sachs executives and lobbyists. He’s brought the nation to a full-on Cold War and a covert hot war with Iran, on the brink of far greater hostilities. He has made the U.S. as subservient as ever to the destructive agenda of the right-wing Israeli government. His support for some of the Arab world’s most repressive regimes is as strong as ever." www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton
I like the denial of the heinous things Obama has done, and the concentration on the scare-mongering Supreme Court, ignoring the fact that Obama has most likely moved the court to the right of where it was with Kagan replacing Stevens. So maybe Reps would have appointed a worse justice, maybe, but you also have to take into account the cost of voting Dems no matter what - Dems here you loud and clear when you do that and keep moving further and further to the right, following the Reps right along. No one has a problem with the heinous things Obama has done? Just read the article.
wow. where do you get your information? where do you find that paul is anti-women and racist? somebody is reading and believing everything he reads, which is not a good thing. i really dont get it gryph, you seem pretty smart, but always buy everything the mainstream media sells. MSNBC is just as bad as FOX. wake the fuck up dude. what do you think about the NDAA passing? did you know that obama promised to veto it, then signed it into law? do you ever do any research beyond mainstream propaganda sources? THINK!
Honestly I have no desire to see any ad Ron Paul puts out for any reason. He is not just a republican he is a Libertarian which =Koch Brothers and NO message he has would interest me. Why listen to a lie to start with?
ReplyDeleteMy son turned 18 last July, he was a Paul supporter as well as most of his friends, thank God he saw the light and will vote for President Obama. O/T Grifticia Alopecia was on Bolling today and she must have said something that has c4p despondent and turning on each other like the rabid dogs they are.
ReplyDelete"If only this guy were not a rabid anti-women's rights, racist, homophobic Republican."
ReplyDeleteW.T.F you talking about dude..
Ron Pauls friend Jewish professor Walter Block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q37qyfHZ1c
The compassion of Dr Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4
This is a must read for Obama supporters on the topic of Ron Paul: http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/
ReplyDeleteA section copied here that relates this post:
"the minute “Ron Paul” is mentioned. As soon as his candidacy is discussed, progressives will reflexively point to a slew of positions he holds that are anathema to liberalism and odious in their own right and then say: how can you support someone who holds this awful, destructive position? The premise here — the game that’s being played — is that if you can identify some heinous views that a certain candidate holds, then it means they are beyond the pale, that no Decent Person should even consider praising any part of their candidacy.
The fallacy in this reasoning is glaring. The candidate supported by progressives — President Obama — himself holds heinous views on a slew of critical issues and himself has done heinous things with the power he has been vested."
And then Greenwald goes on to list facts about Obama's actions, policies, and appointments.
Adama Brown revealed more of Ron Paul through more of his newsletters - and points out that the things Paul says is actually the way the right wing thinks. Paul's only sin in their minds is to have put it on paper and lose "plausible deniability."
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/31/1050321/-Meet-the-real-Ron-Paul-
While I've suspected Paul was quite possibly one of the Theoc-licans since 2007-08, it was more from what he wouldn't say than from things he actually said. He's been more explicit on the "fallacy" of separation of church and state than I realized. It seems "Mr Constitution" has his own version of a lot of it.
http://jonathanturley.org/2012/01/01/ron-paul-and-the-separation-of-church-and-state/#more-43323
All progressives should read this -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/
It was very powerful!
ReplyDeleteAs Ron Paul and other TeabaKKkers attempt to stick it to the Feds w/ a frothy mixture of anger and stupidity, especially in places like Montana where they gained a super-majority in 2010 and are now, like Ron Paul, full off into Nullification and other nutty right-wing notions, the Montana Supreme Court - which is not a bunch of nutty TeabaKKKers - has decided to stand up to the SCOTUS and have ruled that Citizens United does NOT apply in Montana. The majority opinion of the Court is quite compelling. This will be a good case to watch.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.alternet.org/story/153623/montana_high_court_says_citizens_united_does_not_apply_in_big_sky_state
BTW, if corporations are people, what's the legal process for terminating one? And if I incorporate a new business and shut it down after eight months, is that an illegal abortion?
May I say that "firebaggers" who listen to Adam Greenwald, Salon, Jane Hampster will of course defend Paul because their goal is the same as the republican party...to make Obama a one term President! Not all progressives are Democrats so don't pretend they are Kimberish!
ReplyDeleteI'll keep my comment simple...WTF!
ReplyDeleteRocky Anderson of the Justice Party will likely get my vote unless he is caught in bed with a Palin-Heath klan member.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.justicepartyusa.net/
London Bridges
Wow, that was fucking awesome! Too bad Paul is such an Ayn Rand worshiping flake.
ReplyDeleteLibertarians always fail to get the irony that their "state's rights" approach would've made us into Europe instead of the world power that we are.
One issue. One that I can maybe agree on. It is a complicated situation, and though powerful, this ad oversimplifies it.
ReplyDeleteHis hateful newsletters bearing his name that he knew nothing about notwithstanding, his other positions are ludicrous.
Those who marginalize Paul for any alleged anti-gay or racist stances are only buying into fabrications by the controlled media that HATE his anti-Israel stance, which is political suicide in this land and perfectly explains why they either don't report on him or put out deliberate misrepresentations like those mentioned above. If you think the US should conduct all its foreign policy, domestic "security" and wars to accommodate Israel and its rabid supporters, many on the religious right, he's not your man.
ReplyDeleteObama greatly stepped up the war in Afganistan and is now posturing for war with Iraq. Is this what you want? Remember "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN." Really?
If you want to check out a different take:
http://www.jayweidner.com/RonPaulWillWin.html
http://www.thenation.com/article/165373/marginalizing-ron-paul
Ron Paul would be the perfect candidate in a stable environment.
ReplyDeleteThat said:
THIS IS DISGUSTING. - A recent article by an investigative reporter has shown that the Communist party of America (the same one that endorsed Obama in 2012) has been targeting down and out vets to feed their propaganda and hate to in order to recruit them in. Preying on these heroes the heinous Communists fill their heads with lies in order to brainwash them much like Lenin and Stalin did, confusing these down and out people. How despicable and low are these "people". Targeting America's heroes with their lies to covert then to a system that enslaved them. It is DESPICABLE!
There is no one with more skeletons than leading Dems, and no one with a stronger, more thuggish army of backers. Ugh
Anna, could you provide a link on that C4P thing? I'd like to check it out, but I can't face wading through the "pee".
ReplyDeleteSo, not to betray anyone ,but what Sarah Palin has said all along just makes sense. Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better.
ReplyDeleteWell, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
ReplyDeleteRon Paul (and his wacko son) have some valuable constructive criticisms, and I think they should be listened to, and possibly even help change some policies in this country.
But NO WAY IN HELL will either Ron or Rand ever, ever, EVER lead my country. Not on my watch.
Lynne:
ReplyDeleteI would love to provide the link except I..don't..know how..oh the shame, my cheeks burn a bright red at having to reveal my shameful secret: I don't know nothing 'bout 'puters ma'am..sorry Lynne, now excuse me while I sign out IM, tail between legs and take my son's offer to tutor his techno-phobe mom.
Palin on Fox today: no third party candidacy for me. Also too leave Trump alone! Trump has a lot to offer! Shut up about it!
ReplyDeletewww.mediaite.com/tv/sarah-palin-to-donald-trump-critics-on-fox-shut-up-about-it/
She added that she personally couldn’t consider a third party run because “I believe, personally, that a third party candidacy will allow some greater assurance that Barack Obama would be reelected and that’s the last thing on Earth I want to see happened,”
I'm with 1:14PM. I just find Ron Paul so repulsive on every level that I won't give any ad of his a page view.
ReplyDeleteI can only imagine what kind of candidate Ron Paul would nominate to the Supreme Court if he ever got elected president and there was an opening... he would scour the country looking for another Clarence Thomas.
I really want 2012 to be the year babygate breaks. Trig hasn't even lived with Sarah in ages, it's time she is no longer allowed to hide behind the "self sacrificing mother of special needs child" meme.
ReplyDeleteTo that end, I am putting out any tidbit which might shed light on this issue. Personally, I believe Trig is the bio child of Bristol and Levi. BUT- I have heard multiple rumours about Lauden Bruce being more out of sight than normal during December 07 - January 08. Which also coincides with the time I think Trig was actually born. (sometime between dec 07 - feb 08)
http://www.westsoccer.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=34
December 2007. Lauden Bruce is the ONLY one not pictured. She apparently missed numerous games during this season as well.
So is there a "there" there?
Just putting it out there.
Im aware of the source, but this in interesting:
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I run into many Alaskans who favor Ron Paul. He's quite popular with the young voters, though young voters in AK are so adamantly anti-Obama I think theyd support anyone else.
ReplyDeleteRon Paul holds too many positions that are anathema to me to vote for him. But I do appreciate his candor, and some of his POV resonates. What he is very good at, which benefits us all, is in his role as catalyst. This has historically been the role of the Libertarian Party, whether they like the moniker or not - their candidates are never electable, but they do play a very important outsider role in contributing to the health and progression of our electoral process, as agitators, stimulators,sharp sticks that make us think deeper as Americans. A lot of this, in my opinion, has to do with their candor, their unfettered political character, in stark contrast to the political pap we most often are served by the majority parties. I appreciate them, very very much, but within these confined parameters.
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As if this silly old fart could possibly DO anything about any of what is brought up in the ad, even if he DID beat the billion to one odds against him, and win the presidency.
ReplyDeleteThe Congress is going to decide any moves that will be made, and they are so bought and paid for by the military/industrial complex, that it'd take beating TRILLION to one odds, to see movement away from the imperialism that has become the American way.
Ron Paul can't seem to find a suit jacket that fits around his scrawny little neck--trusting him to perform political miracles is a freaking JOKE.
Don't want to hijack the thread, but in answer to some commenters above, they're banging their heads against the wall over at the SP Fan Club. Her Highness apparently denied a Presidential run (again), any real governmental involvement or the Pee-ers' treasured "third party run" when interviewed on Faux today. I haven't read it all, but I think she's advertising that she'll be useful yapping as the "pundint" poodle she is. There's a rumor that she's also going to cover IA tomorrow with Bret Baehr(sp?). Here's just SOME of the random delusion in the pool:
ReplyDelete"I know this is a Long Shot, but imagine this. The Ads for the earthquake movement, the discontent of the field, The Prayers, The Prayers and then the shake up. Sarah out of no where shaking it up with out even being a contender gets a nice showing in Iowa, then the next one builds and again she shows better and so on, she gets drafted and takes the Presidency.. How would you feel about being part of the earthquake movement? So my friends we must Pray, Pray, Pray for divine intervention tomorrow.. For those of you not getting on board, I will pray for you as well... May God Bless America. We can't do this with out His help.
DEO VOLENTE, SARAH 2012!!!"
"I pray every night that God will hear the cries of His people and raise up a Godly warrior who will lead us out of the mess we are in. I also hint to Him who I believe that is ;)"
And on it goes...they're also busy bashing Ron Paul and Bachmann, BTW. It's Queen Esther--no one else will do.
Yeah, a real powerful ad...how courageous of Ron Paul to release it years later after the Bush administration is gone. That's only when it MIGHT have done some actual good.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I thought Ron Paul was at least honest. Is he now trying to falsely infer that Barack Obama put the base there in the first place and didn't end the war that his predecessor started and didn't fucking finish?
Wow, Gryphen, for such an ardent supporter of Obama, you sure just got suckered by one of his opponent's ads!
"Obama greatly stepped up the war in Afganistan and is now posturing for war with Iraq. Is this what you want? Remember "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN." Really?
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Hey is that you Sarah? You do know Iraq from Iran right? North Korea from South Korea? Up from Down? LMAO
Ron Paul is a RACIST! His mistake was letting folks see him in his white robe...now he's trying to act like it's not his robe even though said robe is in his closet at his house that he's lived in for 30 years. Nice try Paulbots'!
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ReplyDeleteSo, not to betray anyone ,but what Sarah Palin has said all along just makes sense. Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better.
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OUCH! You made my head hurt with "Sarah Palin" and the "makes sense" in the same sentence.
That word salad on steroids that she shitted out today on BowlingPin's show didn't make a lick of sense except to the paint chip, cousin humpers(H/T Gasman) brain washed fools at "Peeing4Palin" site. And of course...YOU.
Gov Dirty Wig™ has no idea what "cutting spending" is unless you are referring to her not paying for her children's college education...and as far as "corruption of old guys in DC" wasn't Uncle Ted Stevens her backer for Gov?
The whole Republican primary process is such an obviously orchestrated offense on Obama and positioning for Romney, I hope some of you can see this.
ReplyDeleteRon Paul - dark horse to peel the youth and anti-war voters away from Obama, should the powers that be decide he should end up running third party in order to do so.
Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, etc. - all dark horses to peel votes away from each other and leave Mitt Corporate Robot Romney the only one standing.
Palin - the Faux News "pundit" who carefully praises all of the above except Romney (who she studiously ignores, including to criticize) just enough so that their supporters won't defect en masse to just one of them who would then pose a real threat to Mitt Corporate Robot Romney.
Remember, the fix is always in with the dark side.
Here's my issue with ultra Libertarian views -
ReplyDeleteReturning powers to the states that were specifically reserved for the Federal government will weaken our country to its breaking point; finishing off what our corrupt corporate politicians have started.
The United States will always need a strong central government. The "founding fathers" figured that out after a few years of trying to hold the fledgling United States together under the failed Articles of Confederation (and Perpetual Union)of 1777.
In my opinion thinking that decentralized government is a viable option in these times is flawed thinking.
"If only this guy were not a rabid anti-women's rights, racist, homophobic Republican."
ReplyDeleteIs there any other type of Republican?
"...Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better."
ReplyDeleteThat is a whole lot of trite nothingness. A bunch of words that don't mean a damn thing. Sarah Palin figured out that idiots like you, anonymous, will fall for empty statements without an ounce of anything to back them up. No plan, no substance, no nothing. They are as empty as Sarah Palin's head.
You have to love how people say they appreciate Ron Paul's candor and honesty, yet he has given different stories about the racist statements made in that fundraiser newsletter under his name.
ReplyDeleteWhat's the truth Ron Paul? Were you so incompetent that you really didn't know what was in the newsletter? Or did you know and approve and then back peddle later? Or maybe you didn't care what was in the newsletter as long as it resulted in getting you supporters and money. Those white supremacists really love you, Ron Paul.
Reproductive rights ARE women's rights.
ReplyDeleteAllowing states to decide who controls our bodies will result in millions of women cut off from making decisions based on what's best for them and their families.
Women will continue to have reasons to terminate unwanted pregnancies and they will continue to look for ways to abort. Certain states will decriminalize abortion and take control of the pregnancies within their borders. Doctors will be severely ham-stringed in relationships with their patients and we will see more and more women and children on public assistance in those states.
Meanwhile, wealthy women will always be able to secure abortions, no matter where they live.
Ron Paul would vote against abortion rights in his state based on his emotions, just as he would vote against same sex marriage in his state because he finds it icky.
Atlas Shrugged belongs on the bookshelves of college students who leave it behind when they grow up and realize that a world full of men out for only themselves would be a bleak one indeed.
Yet, here is a nearly 80-year-old Rand fanboy. It's pathetic.
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The thing about Ron Paul is that he's a real person who says real things.
ReplyDeleteThere are very few of those.
4:36 - Nope.
ReplyDeleteThe more I find out about Ron Paul... the more absofuckinglutely loathsome the wizened little proud pencil-necked bigot grows.
"HIS IS DISGUSTING. - A recent article by an investigative reporter has shown that the Communist party of America (the same one that endorsed Obama in 2012) has been targeting down and out vets to feed their propaganda and hate to in order to recruit them in. Preying on these heroes the heinous Communists fill their heads with lies in order to brainwash them much like Lenin and Stalin did, confusing these down and out people."
ReplyDeleteEr yeah, "a recent article by an investigative reporter" you say? Sounds pretty legit to me...
Oh wait, no it doesn't, it sounds like a pile of bullshit.
Maybe the problem is that we have "down and out vets" at all. Fix that and your Communism will clear right up!
"o, not to betray anyone ,but what Sarah Palin has said all along just makes sense. Reigning in Govt, cutting spending, throwing out the corruption old guys in DC and their nasty backers is the only way to change things for the better."
ReplyDeleteYeah, way to credit Palin for stating THE OBVIOUS. The problem is, what are her plans to achieve any of these things? Oh right, she only invents the bumpersticker slogans, she doesn't actually figure out how to accomplish them.
So, *I* say the way to fix the economy is to get create more jobs!
There, all fixed, I'm a fucking genius.
You're welcome.
"Yeah, a real powerful ad...how courageous of Ron Paul to release it years later after the Bush administration is gone. That's only when it MIGHT have done some actual good."
ReplyDeleteI'm just blown away that someone is saying it AT ALL. I at least give Paul credit for that. But I agree with the other posters who have pointed out that Paul wouldn't have a snocone's chance in hell of making good on any of that extremist Libertarian stuff.
THIS IS DISGUSTING. - A recent article by an investigative reporter has shown that the Communist party of America (the same one that endorsed Obama in 2012) has been targeting down and out vets to feed their propaganda and hate to in order to recruit them in. Preying on these heroes the heinous Communists fill their heads with lies in order to brainwash them much like Lenin and Stalin did, confusing these down and out people. How despicable and low are these "people". Targeting America's heroes with their lies to covert then to a system that enslaved them. It is DESPICABLE!
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Please supply who said this and where.
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would remark positively on any part of Ron Paul's agenda. Just consider that this senile old hateing coot plans to completely destroy any and all of the government social programs that keep the poor and middle class above water and you would have to be ashamed of your lack of diligence on political issues. Shame!
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
How can you be so certain about your own ideas if you are not OPEN to hear other thoughts??
I voted for Obama and will probably vote for him again, but if Paul were to get the nomination (and I hope that he does) I would strongly CONSIDER him. Jus sayin
This is why I was once a Ron Paul advocate. This, And he wants a new independent 9/11 investigation.
ReplyDeleteHe has some good points and it is wrong to summarily dismiss him, imo. Points that really are constitutionally based. He has said that the constitution was decimated under Bush, and he is right about that.
The ad is slightly annoying and would be more effective if it used actual footage of us in Iraq.
I wish there was a candidate with Ron Paul's basic platform without the racist past.
Libertarians always fail to get the irony that their "state's rights" approach would've made us into Europe instead of the world power that we are.
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Actually sounds pretty damn good to me.
I simply don't understand the appeal Ron Paul has for anyone that lives in American society. If you lived in Australia's Outback, maybe.
ReplyDeleteIs RP really the Libertarian he purports himself to be? Do his policy votes really reflect fiscal conservatism and social liberalism/personal freedoms? If he is as biased & prejudiced as he appears to be, can he prevent those views from affecting his decisions? Or will he, like 43, allow his archaic religious beliefs to color policy?
ReplyDeleteGTFO of the Middle East, Barack, and do it soon. We have no business being there.
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ReplyDeleteThe thing about Ron Paul is that he's a real person who says real things.
There are very few of those.
5:51 PM"
What a crock of shit. He'll say anything to get elected. Witness his trying to weasel out of taking responsibility for HIS racist, homophobic newsletters.
And it's oh so real to say that victims of sexual harassment in the workplace aren't the government's problem and they can just leave the job if they don't like it.
Ron Paul is seriously a monster. It's sad to see how many people he's snowing. 5:51 sounds like she really likes snow, though.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
How can you be so certain about your own ideas if you are not OPEN to hear other thoughts??
I voted for Obama and will probably vote for him again, but if Paul were to get the nomination (and I hope that he does) I would strongly CONSIDER him. Jus sayin
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You are the one who isn't doing his or her homework if you would even consider voting for a hatemongering one percent ass-kissing fool like Ron Paul over Obama. And I say this as someone who isn't enthralled with Obama. But would you really prefer to have Ron Paul make the next Supreme Court nomination? He is already on record as being anti-gay, anti-minorities, anti-poor people, anti-women, and anti-truth. Or haven't you watched him pretend he didn't know anything about those newsletters that went out under his name?
If a origressuve rules out Paul because of some of his heinous policies, then one must look at Obama as well:
ReplyDelete"The fallacy in this reasoning is glaring. The candidate supported by progressives — President Obama — himself holds heinous views on a slew of critical issues and himself has done heinous things with the power he has been vested. He has slaughtered civilians — Muslim children by the dozens — not once or twice, but continuously in numerous nations with drones, cluster bombs and other forms of attack. He has sought to overturn a global ban on cluster bombs. He has institutionalized the power of Presidents — in secret and with no checks — to target American citizens for assassination-by-CIA, far from any battlefield. He has waged an unprecedented war against whistleblowers, the protection of which was once a liberal shibboleth. He rendered permanently irrelevant the War Powers Resolution, a crown jewel in the list of post-Vietnam liberal accomplishments, and thus enshrined the power of Presidents to wage war even in the face of a Congressional vote against it. His obsession with secrecy is so extreme that it has become darkly laughable in its manifestations, and he even worked to amend the Freedom of Information Act (another crown jewel of liberal legislative successes) when compliance became inconvenient.
He has entrenched for a generation the once-reviled, once-radical Bush/Cheney Terrorism powers of indefinite detention, military commissions, and the state secret privilege as a weapon to immunize political leaders from the rule of law. He has shielded Bush era criminals from every last form of accountability. He has vigorously prosecuted the cruel and supremely racist War on Drugs, including those parts he vowed during the campaign to relinquish — a war which devastates minority communities and encages and converts into felons huge numbers of minority youth for no good reason. He has empowered thieving bankers through the Wall Street bailout, Fed secrecy, efforts to shield mortgage defrauders from prosecution, and the appointment of an endless roster of former Goldman, Sachs executives and lobbyists. He’s brought the nation to a full-on Cold War and a covert hot war with Iran, on the brink of far greater hostilities. He has made the U.S. as subservient as ever to the destructive agenda of the right-wing Israeli government. His support for some of the Arab world’s most repressive regimes is as strong as ever." www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton
Kimberish, get back to us when President Ron Paul makes his first nomination to the Supreme Court.
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I like the denial of the heinous things Obama has done, and the concentration on the scare-mongering Supreme Court, ignoring the fact that Obama has most likely moved the court to the right of where it was with Kagan replacing Stevens. So maybe Reps would have appointed a worse justice, maybe, but you also have to take into account the cost of voting Dems no matter what - Dems here you loud and clear when you do that and keep moving further and further to the right, following the Reps right along. No one has a problem with the heinous things Obama has done? Just read the article.
ReplyDeletePoor Kimberish, speaking into a wind tunnel.
ReplyDeleteI love that when there is no real statement of fact or defense, there is insult. That shows the strength of your argument and your wind tunnel.
ReplyDeletewow. where do you get your information? where do you find that paul is anti-women and racist? somebody is reading and believing everything he reads, which is not a good thing. i really dont get it gryph, you seem pretty smart, but always buy everything the mainstream media sells. MSNBC is just as bad as FOX. wake the fuck up dude. what do you think about the NDAA passing? did you know that obama promised to veto it, then signed it into law? do you ever do any research beyond mainstream propaganda sources? THINK!
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