Saturday, January 28, 2012

If you believe that Atheists need a temple to worship in, then you simply do not understand atheism.

This is the graphic that accompanied the Huffington Post article. Because apparently an "Atheist temple" must look like a giant dildo. Which is the ONLY part of the article I agree with.
So the other day I read this in the Huffington Post:

Atheists have long criticised devout followers of faith. But now it seems Atheism is stealing from that very religious tradition by erecting a temple of worship. 

Author Alain de Botton announced plans to build an Atheist temple in the U.K., reports DeZeen magazine. 

A collaboration with Tom Greenall Architects, the structure will be built in the City of London. 

Dedicated to the idea of perspective, the black tower will scale 46 meters (150 ft), with each centimeter honoring earth's age of 4.6 billion years, notes Wired. 

But a place of worship isn't the only attribute from organized religion that Atheists can benefit from, says de Botton. In his newly released book "Religion For Atheists," the author points to design, art and community to inspire and attract a following.

Realizing I could not possibly deal with this information while completely sober, I poured myself a glass of wine and read it again. Nope, brain still hurts.

Did this guy actually write a book called "Religion for Atheists?" WTF?

I suddenly realized that I needed to find a reliable atheist, whose opinion I respect, to weigh in on this subject.

Enter Richard Dawkins.

"Atheists don't need temples," said Dawkins. "There are better things to spend this kind of money on. 

You could improve secular education and build non-religious schools which teach rational, sceptical critical thinking."

Thank you Richard, my head feels so much better now.

The whole idea about being an Atheist is NOT that we simply do not like to worship in the way that Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, etc., worship.  It is that we find no fears which need to be soothed, concerns that need to be quieted, nor emptiness inside of ourselves which needs to be filled, through worship.

Personally I do not feel left out because I do not have any place I can go to for fellowship and solace on Sunday mornings, I feel liberated.

If I am looking for a place where I can find peace and feel at one with the universe, I simply step outside and allow the universe to find me. After all I DO live in Alaska.

I don't think that most atheists want to have a place to remind the world that they exist, nor to force their opinions on others. They just don't want other people's faith to dictate how they live their lives, educate their children, or choose their political representatives.

And if you still don't understand the difference between atheism and religion, perhaps this image will help to explain it better.


50 comments:

  1. Olivia7:15 AM

    It has always seemed very odd to me that people who worship something think that everyone must worship something .
    I guess the concept of not worshipping anything is too much for those tiny closed minds to grasp.

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  2. fromthediagonal7:17 AM

    Religion for Atheists?
    Yeah, just another would-be profiteer looking for a so far untapped source of money!
    Greed never ends, does it?
    We should have seen this coming.

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  3. I went through the same thought process when I saw the article. The best thing about atheism, apart from intrinsic motivation to live a good life, is no church-going! A friend once (jokingly) said he wasn't an atheist because there weren't enough holidays. To which I replied: every day is a holiday!

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  4. You wrote:
    "Personally I do not feel left out because I do not have any place I can go to for fellowship and solace on Sunday mornings, I feel liberated"

    If it's not sacreligous (ha!) to us atheists, I say:

    Amen.

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  5. Anonymous7:27 AM

    Amazing how atheism takes up so much time in people's lives solely to prove themselves right.

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  6. 7:27...kind of like religion. Human nature, I guess.

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  7. angela7:42 AM

    I read about this and thought it was a joke.
    Has Botton gone mad? What is he thinking?
    A temple of Atheism?

    No amount of alcohol will make me understand this crap. Botton has become confused. Not a go to guy anymore.

    http://freethinker.co.uk/

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  8. Anonymous7:46 AM

    The building on the right in the pic is in the City of London and is popularly called the Gherkin. I don't know why Huff Post would want to link it to aetheism.

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  9. Thank you for this! I agree with Dr. Dawkins, as usual, in the idea of spending more money on secular education. It breaks my heart when I have to advise my eight year old daughter to hide her belief in rational thought so as not to be teased or ostracized in her classroom. And we live in Mesa, AZ, a Mormon community, where one would think we would encounter more tolerance considering what the prejudice Mormans have faced throughout the history of their religion.

    In a recent poll, atheist scored lower on trust than rapists. Really? I think the idea of an atheist temple is ridiculous, but I think the time may be fast approaching when atheists emerge from the shadows and speak openly in greater numbers. And watch out when we do, because rational thought is a powerful force!

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  10. Olivia8:08 AM

    Many worshippers I know equate atheism with devil worship so I guess that would require a house of worship.

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  11. Anonymous8:18 AM

    7:46 is right, it was a stupid idea to use that building to represent an atheist temple. The building houses an international insurance company, Swiss Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_St_Mary_Axe

    There a plenty of other strange looking buildings which one could use as a symbol for an atheist temple. The joke is that the atheists problem don't want to be organized, weird building or not.

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  12. Anonymous8:26 AM

    Alain de Botton makes a persuasive case with his Atheism 2.0 agenda. As a slightly metaphysically oriented humanist, I find his arguments compelling. Give his ideas a fair shot. Here is a link to the TED talk he gave on the matter:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oe6HUgrRlQ

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  13. Olivia, I'm with you. I just don't get the worship thing. It is an extremely odd concept.

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  14. Anonymous8:48 AM

    Atheists might demonstrate their love for the fellow man by quietly, individaully, perform good works thoughout the week, on a big or small scale, to tie them to the rest of humanity.

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  15. Anonymous8:51 AM

    I used to consider myself an atheist. Then, out of curiosity, I attended one meeting of the "Atheists Club" when I was in college. I wondered what it was they could possibly do at a meeting, since to me being an atheist was, as the image depicts, a turned off TV, not another channel to waste your brain cells on. But oh no, they spent the entire meeting doing what consider to be one of the most despicable things that most religions have in common - they were organizing a way to convince others to believe (or non-believe?) what they do. I spent the entire meeting laughing inside, and realizing that if this is what atheists were, I was definitely not an atheist.

    Now, when someone asks what religion I am, I say "none." When they ask what my beliefs are, I say "not what yours are." Then, of course the next question inevitably is, "Well then, what are you?" I am me.

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  16. Ailsa8:54 AM

    I don't understand the image with this post. The building referred to has been there for many years.

    The "Gherkin", the City of London's landmark Swiss Re Tower, has won a prestigious architecture award - the Royal Institute of British Architects Stirling Prize on a unanimous vote by judges.

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  17. Anonymous8:55 AM

    Lynne...

    7:27 here. You're absolutely right, and that was my point. Better to fight the wrong in this world than get hung up on "God or no God".

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  18. Beldar Olympus Conehead9:03 AM

    Isn't this the same guy who wrote the books "Advanced Combat Techniques for Pacifists", 101 Top Beef, Lamb & Veal Recipes for Vegetarians" and "Aggressive Options Trading Strategies for The Poor and Lower Middle Class Investor"?

    I thought NOT going to a temple was a HUGE selling point of atheism in the first place! Thank Zeus, this stupid temple for atheists will never be built. I wouldn't be surprised, tho, to find out the site was eventually used for a god-approved house of worship for the one TRUE religion....

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  19. Anonymous9:08 AM

    Yet another indication the species is doomed.........

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  20. ...I think the time may be fast approaching when atheists emerge from the shadows and speak openly in greater numbers. And watch out when we do, because rational thought is a powerful force!

    @8:02 AM

    If the Pew (right-leaning poll takers) polls are right, there are 15 Million Atheists in America. If the USA Today polls are right, the number is closer to 50 million.

    It's a start. Spread the Good Word... ;D

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  21. Anonymous9:25 AM

    So, Atheists need a religion... and a worship place that is shaped like a phallus...
    Doesn't that guy know that that kind of place/religion already EXISTS?!? All they had to do is check out Japan... (http://www.yamasa.org/japan/english/destinations/aichi/tagata_jinja.html)

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  22. Anonymous9:37 AM

    http://gawker.com/5879888/yes-the-romneys-converted-mitts-dead-atheist-father+in+law-to-mormonism

    "Yes, the Romneys Converted Mitt’s Dead Atheist Father-in-Law to Mormonism

    Gawker's substantial Mormon readership has come through for us: Two readers have sent us confirmation that Edward Davies, Mitt Romney's militantly atheist father-in-law, was indeed posthumously converted to Mormonism by his family, despite the fact that when he was alive he regarded all religions as "hogwash." "

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  23. Anonymous9:41 AM

    Why do atheists need a temple? They have no Supreme Being, so who do they worship?

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  24. Anonymous9:43 AM

    I'm a Christian, but I happen to believe most Atheists are just as worthy of eternal life of their spirit, and better "Christians", than your average rightwing 'Christian' ... it doesn't matter what religion or "not religion" you are, if you are on the side of Good, as most Liberals are, that's far more important than what book you believe.

    Most Evangelicals, on the other hand, are mostly likely going to Hell.

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  25. Smirnonn9:44 AM

    A temple for Atheists makes no sense to me. Neither does tax exemption for churches. Perhaps de Botton is trying to work some angle to advance his philosophy or rake in some dough??

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  26. Anonymous9:44 AM

    O/T but just had to share my find:

    http://www.chaiparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pretty.jpg

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  27. Anonymous9:48 AM

    Well, I believe in God Almighty and am not ashamed of it.

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  28. Anonymous10:27 AM

    I think it's all very amusing. Bet it'll be a pretty temple when it's done.

    Wow, so atheists are free from any human concerns about death, evil, suffering? You are super humans - I hadn't realized! Bravo, well done.

    Denial is a powerful thing ;-).

    Btw, this is extremely interesting; I am all for protection of endangered species and respect for the attributes of the more advanced ones, but this is almost bizarre (due process for Apes who haven't committed crimes??) -

    From the Great Ape Project, supported by Jane Goodall and Mr. Dawkins:

    Protection of individual liberty -
    The declaration states that members of the community of equals are not to be deprived of their liberty, and are entitled to immediate release where there has been no form of due process. Under the proposed declaration, the detention of great apes who have not been convicted of any crime or who are not criminally liable should be permitted only where it can be shown that the detention is in their own interests or is necessary to protect the public. The declaration says there must be a right of appeal, either directly or through an advocate, to a judicial tribunal.

    I don't think they mean set all the Apes free, perhaps just freedom from being used in scientific research...

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  29. Anonymous10:28 AM

    Anonymous said...
    Atheists might demonstrate their love for the fellow man by quietly, individaully, perform good works thoughout the week, on a big or small scale, to tie them to the rest of humanity.

    8:48 AM
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    What, we're not "tied to humanity" because we're atheists? Last I checked atheism means that I don't believe in god, not that I'm less than human, or less than "tied to humanity". If I want to perform "good works" I'll help out someone less fortunate, if I don't so what, lots of "christians" talk the talk but certainly don't walk the walk.

    Regardless of being human there is a large percentage of other humans that I wouldn't mind not being "tied to"; religious hypocrites are one of those groups, and it grows larger each day.

    Don't be afraid of us, we're human just like you, but sometimes we don't like YOU because of your hypocrisy and judgmental attitudes, as you proved with the statement I copied above. I don't have a religion but anyone with eyes can see that practitioners of some faiths are not playing by "their God's" rules and that makes many of us wonder why you people bother with religion at all.

    I don't need your advice on how to live my life as an atheist; I've been doing fine for 45 years.

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  30. bavarian outback10:39 AM

    Atheists have great places of worship almost everywhere, they are called "museums of natural history" :)

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  31. . . . I think the time may be fast approaching when atheists emerge from the shadows and speak openly in greater numbers. And watch out when we do, because rational thought is a powerful force!

    So wrote betsycaz @8:02 AM

    ---------------

    On occasion, when atheists try to speak in greater numbers, they can show themselves to be just as irrational and meddlesome as your garden variety intolerant religious group.

    This week my husband received an email from the American Legion about the actions of MAAF, the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers. Recently this group attempted to force the removal of a cross erected by marines at Camp Pendleton to honor fallen comrades.

    Now they want all documentation of personal religious preference removed from the records of military personnel. Full story can be found at the American Legion Burnpit.

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  32. Marleycat11:12 AM

    I doubt there is any true altruism in a temple for Atheism, however, I guess Atheists have a right to organize, worship, and grift at the altar of their "Non-God" too. Perhaps this will come to the US - and they too can claim non-profit status and grift to their hearts' content, just like all the other religious organizations.

    Or perhaps, they worship a non-God and the goal is to undo the evil perpetrated on humanity by the fringe lunatic extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church, et al! Somebody needs to do it and if actually "organizing" as a "religious group" strengthens the fight against the Dominionists, that, at least, is legitimate.

    For me - it remains suspect because being an Atheist means NOT proselytizing my beliefs on any one else. I really don't care if you worship or not, and as far as moral and criminal codes of behavior - secular laws free of religious influence should the only laws in place.

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  33. Anonymous11:28 AM

    No one should be ashamed of believing in God, or not believing in God. Freedom of chose! I've always considered that whatever you believe is your religion, so if you are an Atheist, that is your religion. No need for a house of worship however, a coffee shop with a few friends would do. I also believe many people worship God as "Hell insurance" - just in case it's true...

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  34. Anonymous12:00 PM

    That's the Gherkin, a building in London, England.

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  35. Hoken1:20 PM

    Given the depth of the fundies obsession w/ dicks, I've thought their phallic steeples were a well chosen symbol. Throw in some art work and stained glass, they've got the queer eye happenin'.

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  36. Anonymous2:48 PM

    Sunday mornings finds us often playing slot machines at our local casino.Its a quiet time,with the regulars that come each Sunday morning smiling,talking quietly,drinking coffee and Diet Coke.By 1 PM,after church lets out,its loud,abrasive,alcohol is flowing freely,and more profanity is heard than not.We generally leave at 1 PM so the after church crowd can get there Sodom and Gomorrah on.

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  37. Anonymous3:21 PM

    The building pictured is an office building in London. It's been there for 7 or 8 years. Londoners call it "The Gerkin" (officially) and give it more randy names unofficially. As far as I know - and I spend quite a bit of time in London and talking to Londoners - it has never been connected to Atheism. As an Atheist, I'm not sure why this picture accompanied ANY article connected to Atheism. It would be a better picture to accompany Mitt Romney's international wealth.

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  38. Anonymous3:53 PM

    As far as that goes people of faith don't need buildings either.

    Bureaucracies do need buildings and bureaucracies exist to control people.

    Although I agree with Christ's teachings. I have very little respect for Christian churches becasue they behave in very unChrist like ways.
    That, and the history of relations that have gained sizable followings seem always to lead to greed, death, wars and horrible suffering.

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  39. Just how ignorant can the fundamentalists be?

    I would surmise that this post points to the answer.

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  40. To Anonymous at 7:27 am.
    Um,

    No.

    I don't spend any time at all in self-justification.

    I also didn't do "Christmas."

    Why does that bother you?

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  41. @9:48 Anony
    No one is worried that you believe - I honor your right to believe.

    I also have a right to not be proselytized because I don't believe.

    I have a sign on my door that says, "No Solicitors."

    Proselytizers don't think it applies to them; worse yet, their ignorance shows they don't even know what the word means.

    Fundamentalists encourage ignorance in America, to our detriment.

    That makes me so sad.

    .

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  42. Anonymous4:48 PM

    I'd rather go to my local atheist bar. Skip that. I rarely go to bars. I'd rather visit the glass Apple temple. I'm practicing my atheism right now with a glass of wine. Much safer and I don't have to donate a single penny for some vibrator shaped building dedicated to....what is it dedicated to again now?

    "Do atheists need a temple?
    The philosopher and writer Alain de Botton wants to build a £1m temple in the city of London to celebrate life on earth. Do you think atheists need their own temple?"

    Here's the poll and it's open for the next 22 hours. So far 52% YES and 47% NO.

    http://tinyurl.com/7cpsnwd

    I can't imagine what one would do at an atheist temple other than look at a piece of empty architecture. I'd rather go to the atheist library, museum, mall or go camping. At least there is something to do there.

    -Colleen

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  43. Anonymous6:24 PM

    As an Atheist, I don't let people know that so I don't have to end up having religious arguments with them, or that they don't try to convert me into their own faith. When I was in college, the religious people would always walk up to you and hand out literature. I always politely accept it and then threw it away later. After feeling guilty I was wasting their money, I started to just tell them I was an atheist. I'll never forget the first persons I told that to. I couldn't hear what he was saying under his breath, but I knew it wasn't anything favorable towards me. After saying that a few more times, I found they always wanted to convert me. I then stopped telling them anything and just refused to take their literature. I now never discuss or tell anyone what my beliefs are. I find that life is so much better now that I don't have to get into arguments or discussions about my "faith".

    In short, I would recommend to everyone that they just keep their faith to themselves no matter what your beliefs are. Life is so much more peaceful now that I no longer have to explain to everyone why I believe what I do.

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  44. Anonymous7:28 PM

    The best thing about being an atheist is not having to go to church. There is no point in building a temple, we aren't going to show up.

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  45. Anita Winecooler8:05 PM

    Huff po has gone to the dogs since Arianna sold out.

    I totally understand your thought process in this post. I can commisurate with so many of the commenters, especially those who get people trying to "change" them or "correct" their thinking. I'm past all that now, and for the most part, people who were my friends still are, the ones who can't accept it probably never were.

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  46. Anonymous8:24 PM

    We already have our "temples" - the library, the science museum and the concert hall.

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  47. Randall10:15 AM

    Hmmm... perhaps the closest analogue of a "church for atheists" [building] would be a university?

    For myself, that part of me which is God is closest to the god-ness of everything else, when I'm fishin.

    Buddha says that all of us are only given so much times on this Earth
    ...and time spent fishing -
    doesn't count!

    Also, I think Jesus said that if you teach a man to fish
    - he'll leave you alone for a while.

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  48. Anonymous11:07 AM

    I am in agreement with Sarah Palin. I too want the Republican candidates to keep "vetting" one another.

    I cannot understand why the likes of Palin insist on making it easier for President Obama to win his second term. Whatever the rationale, I'm all for it.

    Thank you Sarah and Todd Palin for this amazingly satisfying Republican clown show.

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  49. Anonymous3:31 AM

    Yeah, a really loud & persistent t.v. channel. But definitely "off".

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  50. Anonymous3:32 AM

    Hahahahhaah! APPROVAL. XD

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