Thursday, March 29, 2012

Video tribute to the Reason Rally.

To some of you, particularly those who are religious, this might seem unnecessarily provocative, or even an attempt to give a giant middle finger to those who embrace a particular faith, but I would argue that is not the case.

What this is, and why it is so important, is that it is the coming together publicly of a group of people who, more often than not, feel terribly isolated.

Individuals who grow up within a religious environment, often have a strong sense of community. In fact MANY of their activities will center around their church, or temple, or synagogue.

Atheists have none of that.

We are often ostracized and marginalized to the point that our only constant companions are books and our own troubling thoughts.

I can tell you that as a seven year old suddenly questioning the existence of God, there was no faster way to find your self abandoned on the monkey bars then to bring up that topic on the playground. There was quite literally NO ONE with whom I could discuss what I was going inside my head.

In fact I was told by the principal at one elementary school that parents had complained and that I simply needed to STFU. So in that environment, where I was expected to learn and seek answers to my questions, I was forbidden from asking what I considered one of the most important questions of all.

But nothing could stop my mind from pondering those questions, and for me it became a lifelong journey toward revelation. A journey, might I add, that I have made solo for the majority of my life.

So knowing that there are so many like minded people in the world, and seeing them gathered together in Washington D.C., may come as close as an Atheist can come to a shared religious experience.

And at least for me, that is huge.

24 comments:

  1. Anonymous12:01 PM

    Did you see the crazy church in PA that "kidnapped" the kids during a youth group meeting. The kids did not know this was a "skit" to show them how christians are being treated around the world & thought it was real. They actually put something over the kids heads & drove them to someone's house.

    Someone else posted somewhere else that this goes on in TX too. One girl & her parents are suing the church & the leaders.

    Honestly, the last church I went to would have thought this was probably a good idea. They also loved doing the Hell thing at Halloween.

    And you wonder why I am an atheist.......

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  2. I am not ashamed to say I am an atheist... I was more ashamed of an individual that told me I should go to church and repent for my sins.
    Kindly and with a smile, I said wouldn't it be much easier and more fulfilling to just not sin?

    The reply shocked me, as she said "Well I'm just not that good of a person."

    Wow, what a small universe that book crams into ones mind... ppft!

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  3. Olivia12:05 PM

    I think the sense of community people get from religion is why so many people who belong to organized religion think that atheism is a religion. The need for that community is so great for these people that they can't imagine anyone choosing to not have it. I also think that more young people today are waking up to that hypocrisy and rejecting it. I am not an atheist but I reject organized religion as the biggest scam on humanity.

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  4. There are also many of us who embrace “all religions” and have the same problem.

    There are very limited places people that want to worship this way can go (Unitarian is the organization I am most familiar with), but I found even there, that I was expected to say things that made me uncomfortable, things that suggested I believed everything everyone else believed. The spending habits of the pastor drove me away (fancy clothes and continual talk about travel with continual requests for donations) and I wasn't comfortable explaining why I left.

    So I have no “community” and have done the same, relied on books and feel as though people “look down” upon me since I don't go to any church. Most of the people I know are very religious and I have really struggled when they bring other friends to events and the conversation often moves to religion in some way or other.

    I am glad to see people coming together this way. It gives me hope that someday I might find community as well.

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  5. Anonymous12:17 PM

    I've often felt the same isolation and am still in the closet for the most part. The preconceived ideas about atheists being amoral or whatever negative stereotype keeps me there except being 'out' to a few like minded individuals. I live in CA, so it is a bit easier here.

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  6. Dis Gusted12:22 PM

    I can totally relate to the playground experience. Been there, done that. Was raised Catholic until my parents were expelled for getting a divorce back in the '50's. That's how it was done then.

    Excellent video! TY for posting it.

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  7. Anonymous12:24 PM

    Try asking those question of a nun, you will get a very different reaction than being told to shut up. Of course once they started in on the verbal and physical abuse, it made things very clear to me. They were scared of me... what power for a 9 year old! Nuns, priests, other teachers were all scared of a kid asking questions. That led me KNOW they were all full of horse shit in every thing they told me.
    As an atheist since grade school, I never needed another non-believer to cuddle with. I was fine on my own. I didn't need the social structure of a church like atmosphere to buttress what I knew to be true.

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    1. Anonymous1:39 PM

      Yep.. Had to wait both until public high school or a Latin teacher to answer my religion questions (as Latin history)and university philosophy to answer my does god exist questiosn. After 9 years of an RCC education (K-9) I really knew very little about theism, or the Bible. What a waste of tuition.

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  8. Anonymous12:32 PM

    I feel for ya' but I think you might have misplaced cause and effect from interpersonal to ideological.

    To wit: I'm both a student (Cornell Philosophy) and believer of the wisdom in the great faiths. Yet my community in Upstate NY has no church for me nearby. There are churches but I couldn't stand the war mongering or undesirables hatred spewing from the pulpit.

    I don't however, assume the ignorance I encountered therein is a function of the sign on the door.

    Fortunately, as you too seem to have found, the internet shrinks the world and I've found a community of like minded people.

    Directly to your story I wonder if you would have engendered a similar reaction if you voiced a radically opposite view- not disbelief but visions of God. That is, it might be (at least in part) that those at the school were reacting more to the disruption, and not so much at the content thereof.

    Just a thought.

    An a$$hole wearing an I love Jesus shirt is just as awful as an a$$hole wearing an I'm an atheist shirt.

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  9. Anonymous12:50 PM

    When our daughter was around three or four, we lived in a small town in southeast Kansas. There were three cemetaries: one for "Christians," one for Catholics and one for blacks. This is in the late 1970's.

    One day when my husband was at work and my daughter and I were out in the front yard, a woman drove up, got out, and proceeded to demand to know why we didn't go to church. Apparently, the Christians in town held a biannual churching survey.

    That meant that congregants were assigned streets and they kept records on whose cars did not move on Sunday mornings. If your car did not move for several Sundays, someone was dispatched to save you.

    It's not that we didn't believe in a higher power, but only that we didn't believe in organized religion - particularly this cultist type.

    Anyway, after I explained that we appreciated her concern but had not intention of joining her or any other person's church, she started shouting at our little girl that her mother (me) was going to burn in Hell. Our little girl clung to me and started crying.

    I promptly told the woman that it would be in her best interests if she would leave immediately. I must have looked rather dangerous at that point (even though I was keeping my voice quiet for the good of our daughter) because she left and never returned.

    I was able to console our daughter by explaining that the woman was just like some kids she knew - if you didn't play the game their way, they got mad. She thought about that and nodded then smiled. She said "that lady was just a bully, huh?" I nodded my head and we went back to having a good time together. We still have a good time because we all still avoid the bullies.

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    1. Anonymous1:41 PM

      The problem with that attitude these days, m'dear, is that the bullies of the religious right will follow you into your home, your bedroom and even your uterus.

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  10. Anonymous12:50 PM

    I guess I'm either dumb or slow! I didn't figure out there was no gawd until I was in my fifties!

    There was a lot of fear at first. I was taught that to even THINK about questioning anything was going to get me deep-fried in Hell sauce.

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  11. O/T But delicious:

    The Palin curse continues as South Carolina Governor, Tea Party darling and former Palin-endorsee Nikki Haley is expected to be indicted imminently:

    http://palmettopublicrecord.org/2012/03/29/haley-indictment-imminent-stay-tuned/

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    1. Dinty2:09 PM

      I forgot to add that Haley is also (or was) in the running for the VP nomination for the Republican ticket, and the Lieutenant Governor resigned earlier this month on unrelated corruption charges.

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    2. Anonymous2:35 PM

      Sounds like Palin's type of crony capitalism...

      http://palmettopublicrecord.org/2012/03/29/nikki-haley-and-the-temple-loan-where-did-the-money-go/

      In 2009, the Sikh Society of South Carolina took out a $750,000 loan from BB&T Bank with the help of bank president Mike Brenan. The purpose of the loan was to build a new temple on the Sikh Society’s land in Chapin, but for some reason the contractors never got paid. At least five lawsuits have been filed against the Sikh Society since 2010, alleging that the group bilked contractors out of nearly $130,000.

      So what happened to the money? Did it “disappear” into the Randhawa family’s million-dollar waterfront home on Lake Murray, or (as our sources have speculated) did some of it go into the governor’s campaign account? Whatever happened to the money, we do know what happened to Brenan: Gov. Nikki Haley appointed him to the state Board of Education.

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    3. Dinty4:27 PM

      @3:35 It did sound quite familiar, didn't it?

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  12. Anonymous1:32 PM

    Once upon a time, civic engagement served the community need - you know, the town council, the town park, etc. That's one reason religion is so against political power- or trying to usurp it.

    And Gryphen - do they have a Unitarian Church up there in AK? The last pastor of the UUC hereabouts was an atheist, his so (New pastor) is an agnostic.

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  13. Anonymous2:22 PM

    Secret Emails Reveal that Palin and Romney Went Rogue Together in 2006

    Sarah Palin is now busting Mitt Romney's chops whenever she can for not having sufficient "conservative instincts" in his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. She also has ruffled his feathers a bit by raising the specter of a brokered GOP convention in Tampa.

    But during Palin's successful 2006 gubernatorial campaign in Alaska, both Palin's and Romney's political ambitions converged while Romney was still the governor of Massachusetts and then serving as Chairman of the controversial Republican Governors Association (RGA). They were a veritable Bonnie and Clyde on the campaign trail.

    During the final weeks of her campaign in September of 2006, Palin was the beneficiary of a $107,000 television advertisement campaign paid for and produced by the RGA. The Alaska Public Offices Commission (APOC) later fined the RGA (with Romney at the helm) $26,600 for two separate activities related to Palin's gubernatorial campaign and warned that the fine could have been levied as high as $6 million. The fines levied by APOC against the RGA were for distributing campaign mailers within 30 days of the election, and because television advertisements the RGA produced featuring Palin were obviously broadcast for partisan purposes.

    The RGA television ads went negative on Palin's chief opponent in the race, former Democratic governor Tony Knowles. One of them featured Knowles walking backwards in slow motion. The ad also contained footage of Palin jauntily leaving an Anchorage hotel that clearly looked staged--and that's because it apparently was, according to Palin's former director of boards and commissions, Frank Bailey, who worked closely with her on the campaign.

    Such outside advertising campaigns are common, but Alaska election law strictly requires that there be no "coordination" between the candidate and their campaign with the so-called "527 group" organizing and producing the ads.

    Both Palin and Romney escaped any personal accountability for the questionable activities of their respective organizations. But leaked emails from the Palin campaign reveal that there was, in fact, coordination between Palin's campaign, Romney and the RGA--which is illegal under Alaska campaign laws--though in respect to the issue of "coordination," APOC dismissed the complaint and issued no sanctions.

    The tell-tale emails were originally leaked to me by a former Palin campaign adviser for my book The Lies of Sarah Palin: The Untold Story Behind Her Relentless Quest for Power. I included excerpts from them in my Prologue in a passage that focused on Palin's "pathology of deceit." The emails were also referenced in a book by Bailey entitled Blind Allegiance.

    In his book, Bailey, who was once dubbed Palin's "hatchet man," provides further corroboration of the coordination between Palin's campaign and the Romney-chaired RGA. Bailey devotes two chapters to what he concedes was an "illegal" enterprise. He acknowledges that he was first contacted by RGA go-betweens as early as August of 2006, and that he was aware that any coordination between the two organizations would be in violation of state election laws--and that he stated as much to others in the campaign. (Bailey also contends that someone who worked on the production later confided in him that coordination had taken place.)

    On August 28, Palin's friend and campaign co-worker Ivy Frye sent out an email to Palin's campaign team, including Palin,

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/palin-romney-emails_b_1388602.html?ref=politics

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  14. WakeUpAmerica3:19 PM

    Really? Do atheists usually feel isolated? My atheist friends don't appear to feel isolated at all, but then we all respect the others' beliefs and recognize the good in all of us.

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  15. Sharon3:45 PM

    I think I was like most people in my generation, we went to Sunday school and drank the cool aid cuz we didn't have a choice. My Mom was always active in our little small town Methodist church, and she actually lived her beliefs. Mom was generous, kind and giving and was always the person to offer help, rides, food...you name it on our street. There was never any speeches about "god", she was just the kind of person that cared about others. My Dad, brothers and myself never got involved with church, and I can say as I grew older I really began to understand our differences. The men were Republicans, Mom & I were Democrats, we cared alot about other people. There were so many mean spirited adults that were in Mom's church circle, when they weren't in church. Living in many states during my 20's I attended every kind of church service you can name, mostly because I love meeting people from different backgrounds, life is so much more interesting..I am still so inspired by the world. That being said, I came to embrace Buddism, the idea of karma, that this isn't all there is, the golden rule...Nichiren Buddism is what saved Tina Turner. A belief in "individual human revolution". That every single person can change the world thru enlightment. If we live our lives with integrity and goodness, each life after brings us closer to grace, and haven;t we all known at least one person like that? I have a great sadness to end this post.
    I went home to NJ to take care of Mom for her last 3 years instead of sending her to a nursing home. The first year she was still mobile and we attended her same church every Sunday and Wednesday, year 2 she was homebound and guess how many visits by the pastor?
    How many visits from church friends? It was very hard to witness once her contributions stopped, so did they..after 50 years in the same church. Amen

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  16. nora in California4:42 PM

    I went to a Catholic grammar school in the 60s, and by the time I hit 3rd grade I knew it just didn't make any sense to me. But I also learned -- the hard way -- that you just couldn't talk about it in that environment. So when I entered public high school, I looked forward to a free exchange of ideas, finally! But I'll never forget the look on my beloved algebra teacher's face when she overheard me telling another student that I did not believe Jesus was "God" nor was I convinced that he'd even existed. I could see her high opinion of me just vanish in a poof of horror and disappointment. She would never see me the same way again. I learned in that moment that there is no safe place to be an atheist...

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  17. Not What You Want to Hear5:00 PM

    I really do relate, Gryphen. While the reasons I often felt alienated from my peers in school weren't religious-based, I still felt stifled. (On another note, as a Christian, I certainly feel completely alienated from rightwingers who, in my view, are badly damaging the faith's reputation.)

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  18. I was challenging the minister (gently) at thirteen years (Lutheran confirmation class). He didn’t appreciate it, but he had enough sense to brush me off smoothly instead of attacking; all the other kids were watching and inclined to follow me, lol.
    Follow your heart, Gryphen; you aren’t going to hell; that’s bogus. For what it’s worth, you have my guarantee (eighteen years of eight-plus hours of religion per month). I know this stuff better than the preachers.

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  19. Anita Winecooler9:48 PM

    That was a sight to behold! A "Woodstock" of reason!
    I loved the girl with the scarlett letter "A" on her cheek. I hope there's another next year, my family would love it. No hate, no anger, just love for humanity.

    A good thing!

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